I think a paid battle pass would definitely kill a great chunk of the player base from disgusting corporate tactics. Rivals 2 has a good system when it comes to battle passes.
Man did you know every character has 5 aerials, 4 specials, 4 throws, 3 smash attacks, 3 tilts, a jab, a pummel, 3 getup attacks, 2 ledge attacks, a ladder attack, a final smash, and a dash attack. Some characters can also have an additional aerial if their grab is a tether grab. That makes 31, or 32 And special animations for jumps, double jumps making a tech (doing a dodge before falling in the ground to skip the animation of touching the ground making the character get up instantly) That’s the reason why smash is one of the greatest fighting games (not for dumb monetization schemes)
It was fine until you mention non video game appearance like Goku. That's already a game breaker and Smash won't lived to see another day. I mean, if the game gets constantly updated and nerf the broken characters already added done in the same vein like Capcom, SNK, and Bandai Namco, THEN it can be playable again. Sakurai is still the man in charge for this game, despite it being under Nintendo's flagship. His philosophy to add anyone that isn't from a video game first will just hurt him everywhere. Don't hurt Sakurai for this BS.
I like some ideas in the video such as giving characters actual costumes that aren't just palette swaps, and the constant balance updates, but honestly, I still think Smash should not go down the live service free to play route. I know the video tried to counter the whole it'll be like Multiversus argument by saying that Multiversus was bad because of its gameplay, but I would argue the gameplay was 60% of the reason it was bad, and the live service aspect was the other 40%. Multiversus also sucked because they had skins marked at $20 dollars each and forced players to grind to unlock characters, if they didn't want to grind 70 hours to unlock one character their only other option was to pay real money. a shop with in game currency wouldn't be too bad, in fact Ultimate already does this with a shop to buy spirits with coins. I agree that adding cool costumes for characters to this shop would be good, but I'd prefer the method of getting currency to be just playing the game rather than buying it with real money. I'd prefer Smash to be $60 game with all the content packed into it from the start, where unlocking characters is based on methods established in previous titles (e.g. beat classic mode as Link, unlock Ganondorf) rather than a free to play game with microtransactions where I have to buy Ganondorf for $5. Overall, I can see where you're coming from, but I don't 100% agree with the Idea.
While I don’t agree with a battle pass, I do agree that smash should have cosmetics besides color alts. People pay big money for cosmetics and I don’t think anyone would object. Adding new characters would be cool but like you said, there’s a limit.
Honestly a lot of valid points, Smash Ultimate just feels way too dead. The hardest thing would be balancing the game though with that many characters, with the competitive scene just completely ruined with the sheer size of the roster. Honestly this’ll probably never happen, because it’s Nintendo we’re talking about. I don’t think they’ve ever done something like this either BUT I would love to see something like this happen if there ever will be a new smash game, promising at least some updates, not ever stopping new content flowing in. Great video all in all!
I think by far the best fix would be to fix ranked, use rollback, add taunts back to 1v1s, and re add a lot of the bullshit mechanics that made brawl and melee so fun
Smash is not Fortnite The game doesn’t live by using other ip’s and expecting the community to keep playing with updates which delete things and ad news or make extra game modes who nobody plays etc The game sells because is smash and it’s a good game with so many details that you wouldn’t notice (smash had the mechanic of movements being weaker if you spam them already but it was a hidden feature which doesn’t show in your screen And how every character has unique animations (except old ones or echoes)
The comparison to Fortnite kills me. I’m old. The idea that they should just infinitely release updates and patches is silly to me. We needed one more patch to fix some of the Steve stuff, but it is what it is. The game is 6 years old, was a good run and will always be there to come back to. Looking forward to starting fresh with Smash 6
8:19 sakurai already revealed how the winrate between the worst character in the game and the best (they didn’t mention the characters for obvious reason) are less than 4% apart So even that argument isn’t that good
Nintendo: I think is a great idea Imputs : gacha system With seriousness thou I think smash has a little bit more of a barrier compared towards Minecraft and Fortnite Part of that is Nintendo , gaming , etc But there other part may be the creativity point and how much you could do with the core aspect with may be layout to make it fresh, kinda like the change in maps, in Fortnite or how you can make certain games within smash. Minecraft is made to have a constant a new way to play the game . I also think they may need to look more so at the community aspect as well but thats more of a nintendo thing
this is the one time twitter is actually right for judging you LMAO do you really think it’s a good idea for smash players to have to pay for the smash pass each season with 1200 smashbucks to get the fighters, but if they miss it they can’t play mario anymore? this is the stupidest idea i’ve ever heard.
Stop you right there, this is kinda a terrible idea but I am opened to listen. My gripes are as follow, character balancing in smash bros is literally impossible, I love the idea of skins, not everyone likes playing online with people because people love to troll and meme on you, if Nintendo creates fomo then they are just the problem.
5:53 I know you were trying your absolute hardest to defend your points here but c'mon man, you can't be serious with these character choices as the "handful of characters left to choose from". I wouldn't personally add anyone from any of these games you listed
The only Pro of your Idea is: Nintendo gets more money Arguments against that Idea: Smash bros got supported for 3 years with steady patch notes and new characters. Letting a game die is not a bad thing. Being able to seek out new experiences and consider yourself being "Done" with a game is beneficial for the players (And also beneficial for nintendo because people with a switch most likely get their new game (Which may also be a ninetendo game) also on switch). Imagine Smash actually having all the Fomo stuff you talked about. People being insentevised to play to get some cool cosmetics that may never come back in the Future. Basically a FOMO simulator. What does a FOMO Simulator do? Make a game a chore instead of pleasure. You dont play the game because you think the game is fun, you play the game to get your rewards and dailies or whatever. And this is expected from you for years and years to come. No matter how fun the game is, you'll definitely build a disliking for the game over time. Ask Fortnite and League players, most of them dont really like to play the game anymore, they just think the cosmetics and rewards are cool. I also dont really think having skins from other franchises on your character would be cool. Imagine your 2B Corrin example. Cool. Now you have someone that looks like 2B, but sounds like corrin, Has moves inspired from Corrin games and overall having the feeling of playing.... Corrin. The only thing 2B is the skin. This works with fortnite cause the Player Controlled Character is just a blank slate with no personality, which isnt the case with smash bros cast (Except for the MII's, which are said blank slates) Just Remember: "If its not fun, why bother?" ~Reggie
i was honestly hearing you out, obviously I didnt agree with certain things like smash being on all platforms and there being a free version (💀💀💀) but I was still hearing you out. you absolutely lost me however at saying smash should include non videogame characters. like you pointed out, thats literally tarnishing the entire identity of the series, and no, thats not a good thing. at that point, smash is no longer smash and you literally just turned it into fortnite, adding in whatever pop culture garbage is popular in the moment to get a little surge in players. no, it wouldnt be "so cool" to see goku and spider man fighting in smash. itd honestly be pretty pathetic bc smash shouldnt need big pop culture icons like that to be relevant. the whole point is how big its become on the love of videogames and their characters. it'd be a slap in the face to every videogame with a loving fanbase and development team that their characters got overlooked because some new movie is coming out and the big established characters from it are being added instead. if you want to play fortnite, go play fortnite. but not every game is or SHOULD be fortnite, thank god
The difference is that fortnite skins are just that skins. It doesn't change anything to the gameplay. Characters with unique moveset not only takes more time than one month to make they also take more space so you can't keep doing it Also battle pass and micro transaction is still as garbage and scumy as it was when it was created. I don't know or understand why it became so normalized that people are actually asking for it now. But no. Let's not And characters like 2B only being used as skins over another characters will just piss everybody off. People were already mad at some becoming mii costume because it basically deconfirmed them After hearing the "lets get roblox and goku in smash" and the "don't care about competitive" i'm confident enough to thin you're just trolling or you never actually played smash. You had me for a minute i admit
Live Service Games are THE biggest failure in a lot of company histories. Look at Platinumgames, rocksteady etc. etc. It would be the most uncommon und NOT-Nintendo thing to do. This is a really bad idea. Please study the business of this industry.
Bro did not cook😭🙏
smash does NOT need a battle pass 🔥🔥
I think a paid battle pass would definitely kill a great chunk of the player base from disgusting corporate tactics. Rivals 2 has a good system when it comes to battle passes.
Man did you know every character has
5 aerials, 4 specials, 4 throws, 3 smash attacks, 3 tilts, a jab, a pummel, 3 getup attacks, 2 ledge attacks, a ladder attack, a final smash, and a dash attack. Some characters can also have an additional aerial if their grab is a tether grab.
That makes 31, or 32
And special animations for jumps, double jumps making a tech (doing a dodge before falling in the ground to skip the animation of touching the ground making the character get up instantly)
That’s the reason why smash is one of the greatest fighting games (not for dumb monetization schemes)
Bro had me lost until he said add Kanye to smash
When Smash becomes a mobile game
75/68 like ratio is almost unheard of NEVER let bro cook again 😭🙏
I can't tell if this is satire or not
“and kanye west” i too cannot tell if this is satire or not there is no way to tell!!!!!!
It was fine until you mention non video game appearance like Goku. That's already a game breaker and Smash won't lived to see another day. I mean, if the game gets constantly updated and nerf the broken characters already added done in the same vein like Capcom, SNK, and Bandai Namco, THEN it can be playable again. Sakurai is still the man in charge for this game, despite it being under Nintendo's flagship. His philosophy to add anyone that isn't from a video game first will just hurt him everywhere. Don't hurt Sakurai for this BS.
I do not want it to be pay to win. Oh wait, doc.
"Smash Ultimate sucks"
that take hot ASF.
I definitely want at least some more skins/echos. New characters idk, that could end up going a lot of ways.
I'm all for DLC.
I agree, new skins would be cool and I would honestly pay for that. But adding a ton of new characters better than unpaid would be horrible.
nintendo is more gameplay first, money making next. nintendo won’t try to milk money out of smash because smash is already expensive.
Are they tho, have a look at pokemon. I mean i guess that is mostly game freaks fault but like
ethereal bait people actually falling for this
I like some ideas in the video such as giving characters actual costumes that aren't just palette swaps, and the constant balance updates, but honestly, I still think Smash should not go down the live service free to play route. I know the video tried to counter the whole it'll be like Multiversus argument by saying that Multiversus was bad because of its gameplay, but I would argue the gameplay was 60% of the reason it was bad, and the live service aspect was the other 40%. Multiversus also sucked because they had skins marked at $20 dollars each and forced players to grind to unlock characters, if they didn't want to grind 70 hours to unlock one character their only other option was to pay real money.
a shop with in game currency wouldn't be too bad, in fact Ultimate already does this with a shop to buy spirits with coins. I agree that adding cool costumes for characters to this shop would be good, but I'd prefer the method of getting currency to be just playing the game rather than buying it with real money.
I'd prefer Smash to be $60 game with all the content packed into it from the start, where unlocking characters is based on methods established in previous titles (e.g. beat classic mode as Link, unlock Ganondorf) rather than a free to play game with microtransactions where I have to buy Ganondorf for $5.
Overall, I can see where you're coming from, but I don't 100% agree with the Idea.
Yall know bro never touched the game in his life
While I don’t agree with a battle pass, I do agree that smash should have cosmetics besides color alts. People pay big money for cosmetics and I don’t think anyone would object. Adding new characters would be cool but like you said, there’s a limit.
Honestly a lot of valid points, Smash Ultimate just feels way too dead.
The hardest thing would be balancing the game though with that many characters, with the competitive scene just completely ruined with the sheer size of the roster.
Honestly this’ll probably never happen, because it’s Nintendo we’re talking about. I don’t think they’ve ever done something like this either
BUT I would love to see something like this happen if there ever will be a new smash game, promising at least some updates, not ever stopping new content flowing in. Great video all in all!
The game is over its getting no more major updates my guy the next step is the next game
i hear what you're saying... but absolutely not.
Please tell me ur kidding 😭
I think by far the best fix would be to fix ranked, use rollback, add taunts back to 1v1s, and re add a lot of the bullshit mechanics that made brawl and melee so fun
Sick video and sick idea
This might be one of the most disgusting videos I’ve ever seen.
Ah yes, the fabled battle pass, this is the last thing smash ultimate needs.
Smash is not Fortnite
The game doesn’t live by using other ip’s and expecting the community to keep playing with updates which delete things and ad news or make extra game modes who nobody plays etc
The game sells because is smash and it’s a good game with so many details that you wouldn’t notice (smash had the mechanic of movements being weaker if you spam them already but it was a hidden feature which doesn’t show in your screen
And how every character has unique animations (except old ones or echoes)
Nobody used custom moves in smash 4
Bro has been playing TOO MUCH Fortnite 💀💀💀💀
The comparison to Fortnite kills me. I’m old. The idea that they should just infinitely release updates and patches is silly to me.
We needed one more patch to fix some of the Steve stuff, but it is what it is. The game is 6 years old, was a good run and will always be there to come back to. Looking forward to starting fresh with Smash 6
10/10 video
Thank you king
satire im guessing
8:19 sakurai already revealed how the winrate between the worst character in the game and the best (they didn’t mention the characters for obvious reason) are less than 4% apart
So even that argument isn’t that good
This would ruin Smash completely
It would be terrible for the players. But you might be right about popularity
Nintendo: I think is a great idea
Imputs : gacha system
With seriousness thou
I think smash has a little bit more of a barrier compared towards Minecraft and Fortnite
Part of that is Nintendo , gaming , etc
But there other part may be the creativity point and how much you could do with the core aspect with may be layout to make it fresh, kinda like the change in maps, in Fortnite or how you can make certain games within smash.
Minecraft is made to have a constant a new way to play the game .
I also think they may need to look more so at the community aspect as well but thats more of a nintendo thing
Regardless of any positive what so ever. Adding a battle pass and item shop would make me never play that smash game ever
this is the one time twitter is actually right for judging you LMAO
do you really think it’s a good idea for smash players to have to pay for the smash pass each season with 1200 smashbucks to get the fighters, but if they miss it they can’t play mario anymore? this is the stupidest idea i’ve ever heard.
Amazing video 🔥🔥🔥
He tried to cook and left the microwave off, please do not talk about fortnite smash ultimate 🙏🙏
Yea nah but their could be another option ☠️
Stop you right there, this is kinda a terrible idea but I am opened to listen. My gripes are as follow, character balancing in smash bros is literally impossible, I love the idea of skins, not everyone likes playing online with people because people love to troll and meme on you, if Nintendo creates fomo then they are just the problem.
Yesss!!!!! New vídeo!!❤
Worst idea award: this
no
5:53 I know you were trying your absolute hardest to defend your points here but c'mon man, you can't be serious with these character choices as the "handful of characters left to choose from". I wouldn't personally add anyone from any of these games you listed
The only Pro of your Idea is: Nintendo gets more money
Arguments against that Idea:
Smash bros got supported for 3 years with steady patch notes and new characters. Letting a game die is not a bad thing. Being able to seek out new experiences and consider yourself being "Done" with a game is beneficial for the players (And also beneficial for nintendo because people with a switch most likely get their new game (Which may also be a ninetendo game) also on switch).
Imagine Smash actually having all the Fomo stuff you talked about. People being insentevised to play to get some cool cosmetics that may never come back in the Future. Basically a FOMO simulator.
What does a FOMO Simulator do? Make a game a chore instead of pleasure. You dont play the game because you think the game is fun, you play the game to get your rewards and dailies or whatever. And this is expected from you for years and years to come. No matter how fun the game is, you'll definitely build a disliking for the game over time. Ask Fortnite and League players, most of them dont really like to play the game anymore, they just think the cosmetics and rewards are cool.
I also dont really think having skins from other franchises on your character would be cool. Imagine your 2B Corrin example. Cool. Now you have someone that looks like 2B, but sounds like corrin, Has moves inspired from Corrin games and overall having the feeling of playing.... Corrin. The only thing 2B is the skin. This works with fortnite cause the Player Controlled Character is just a blank slate with no personality, which isnt the case with smash bros cast (Except for the MII's, which are said blank slates)
Just Remember:
"If its not fun, why bother?"
~Reggie
(I agree reagarding your argument about the delay based netcode tho. Nintendo pls fix)
I hope this is just rage bait, and that you’re not actually serious about this.
i was honestly hearing you out, obviously I didnt agree with certain things like smash being on all platforms and there being a free version (💀💀💀) but I was still hearing you out. you absolutely lost me however at saying smash should include non videogame characters. like you pointed out, thats literally tarnishing the entire identity of the series, and no, thats not a good thing. at that point, smash is no longer smash and you literally just turned it into fortnite, adding in whatever pop culture garbage is popular in the moment to get a little surge in players. no, it wouldnt be "so cool" to see goku and spider man fighting in smash. itd honestly be pretty pathetic bc smash shouldnt need big pop culture icons like that to be relevant. the whole point is how big its become on the love of videogames and their characters. it'd be a slap in the face to every videogame with a loving fanbase and development team that their characters got overlooked because some new movie is coming out and the big established characters from it are being added instead. if you want to play fortnite, go play fortnite. but not every game is or SHOULD be fortnite, thank god
The difference is that fortnite skins are just that skins. It doesn't change anything to the gameplay. Characters with unique moveset not only takes more time than one month to make they also take more space so you can't keep doing it
Also battle pass and micro transaction is still as garbage and scumy as it was when it was created. I don't know or understand why it became so normalized that people are actually asking for it now. But no. Let's not
And characters like 2B only being used as skins over another characters will just piss everybody off. People were already mad at some becoming mii costume because it basically deconfirmed them
After hearing the "lets get roblox and goku in smash" and the "don't care about competitive" i'm confident enough to thin you're just trolling or you never actually played smash. You had me for a minute i admit
Not the Fortnite item shop 😭😭😭😭
Hopefully your joking
I hate all of this
Live Service Games are THE biggest failure in a lot of company histories.
Look at Platinumgames, rocksteady etc. etc.
It would be the most uncommon und NOT-Nintendo thing to do.
This is a really bad idea. Please study the business of this industry.
What ur describing is Mult8versus and that game is dead asf
This guy ideaS sucks
Your take is hot garbage please tell me you are joking
obvious bait but i still hope you get banned
Me just coming into this video to dislike it and leave