Madoka was an insane collaboration. Written by Gen Urobuchi (Saya no Uta) Character design by Ume Aoki (Hidamari Sketch) Music by Yuki Kajiura (Fate/Zero) Directed by Akiyuki Shinbo (Monogatari Series) Can't get more all-star than this back in 2011.
@@Fadzi2342yuki Kajiura has her hands in a good portion of anime I've seen, she did the music for black butler, SAO, Noir, Demon Slayer etc. really great soundtracks regardless of how bad (SAO) or good the anime is
My question was always, how the heck did Fuminori see himself in the mirror? If normal things appeared grotesque, and if actual grotesque things appeared as “normal” to him, wouldn’t he also see himself as some disgusting monster?
Except that it kinda is? It's relatively short (~10 hours for all endings), containts little to no "anime bullshit" (i.e things that require you to be very familiar with japanese writing tropes in order to not feel extremely grating/out of place) and has great atmosphere, characters and story. So, yeah, by all intents and purposes Saya no Uta *is* a great entry-level visual novel: in fact, I literally did recommend it to someone who never had any experience with VNs just a couple of months ago. Many of my friends greatly enjoyed it as well. The only reason why it could be considered *not* a good entry point is because of it's explicit themes, and to that I say - people are way too weak and narrow-minded nowadays. There is a lot I could say on this topic (most of which would result in this comment being shadowbanned/deleted), but in general, being as objective as possible and disregarding my own opinions on the matter: *this is horror*, it is supposed to be uncomfortable, get over it. If you feel that way while playing Saya no Uta - congratulations, everything is working as intended.
Was actually my first VN, love it, hate it. Soon found out it is an 'entry-level f-up vn' and now looking for something harder. But everything I stumble upon seem to be another gore and disgusting stuff, but other than that not really interesting, so I'm still in search
@@charlottewiltshire6076 from my recent experience people give a lot less f's than you expect. Which was really surprising cause I had to revaluate a lot of stuff in my head I concidered to be very niche
@@Chuck_Shurley What is is exactly that you are looking for? Maybe I can help - or try to, anyway. Also, can you tell me which VNs have you already rejected for being just "gore and disgusting stuff"?
ive been hearing about this vn for years and yesterday i finally decided to stop being lazy and read - definitely enjoyed it lmfao i will say that i had the same problem you had when reading the saya grape scene as i wondered how a creature like her could just succumb to something like that??? maybe they were trying to make a point of her being a bit too trusting of that stranger in that moment, i have no idea really but i found it more humorous than they intended im sure
iirc every time saya's shown to win a fight she had the element of surprise, but that time the neighbour had it by a longshot. there's probably also the fact that he's being fuelled by extreme hatred
From the novel its said that she is phisically quite weak despite being...whatever she is and that the big advantage her species has is that their appearance is so frightening that people freeze or panic. Both the Kijo guy and the doctor go permanently insane from seing the creature(The doctor even implies he could go back tho his normal life eventually if he just quit before seing Saya's true form.
She usually take her opponent by surprise, this Time this was a man who had nothing else to lose and who was fuelled by hatred and Hope to leave this "hell". Even fuminori said she couldn't do anything against a man without the surprise effect (wich is why she couldn't hunt Koji alone, Koji knew about Saya, well at least Fuminori thought he knew what Saya was because of his bluff, so Fuminori thought she couldn't do anything against Koji if he wasn't surprised, wich is also why they used Yoh as a Trap)
This was recommended by the old Zero Punctuation guys on a "games you probably have not tried" episode. It was my second VN after Katawa Shoujo. I think that the scene you complained about was necessary to push Fuminori over the edge. There was no going back after that. This is why the first choice of the game is right after it. If you try to go back on murdering a dude, you get the bad ending. As for it making sense, well, I have an idea (spoiler). The only excuse I can think of is that perhaps in her head it was her "role" to be victimized. In the notes left by the doctor, he theorized that she had to have learned the idea of love from the books she was reading, since it otherwise wouldn't have made sense for her species. Perhaps putting herself into this kind of position was something she did subconsciously to fully convict Fuminori, or more generally, as a woman. The only other people she victimizes are women.
18:00 that scene is the justification for Fuminori to go from utilizing the situation to actively create a favorable situation, the proverbial point of no return
I find that the Song of Saya's got a lot of underrated aspects to it. Like how one of the commenters mentions all of Fuminori's "friends" (which imo is a bit of a missed opportunity to show some tragedy to this, since we never got shown the value of their bond) but another underrated facet is Fuminori's aversion to the mental health system. I think its damning of our mental institutions and their oppressive nature for a field that's supposed to help the mentally ill and the neurodivergent. And its not like Fuminori's situation is unique. War veterans deal with a similar condition, as PTSD and shell shock override a normal perception in life after war. Yet the general reaction is to avoid a profession designed to help? It shows how the mental health field has fallen if the reaction to the mental health field is aversion.
The IDW comic revealed Fuminori’s condition and saya herself were part of a twisted experiment. A part of me wonders if canon Fuminori thought the same thing? With everything else I can believe in him developing an unhealthy paranoia. The IDW comic also gave saya a true form which I wish the visual novel gave us. Not a still picture but like a couple artist renditions by people catching a glimpse of her.
Very true! Shows how much psychology and psychiatry still have a long ways to go, as well as a lot of societies/cultures when it comes to the nature of mental health! Stigmatization and both fields of studies used to be a lot worse, but they're still young fields of study and there's still a lot that needs to be done better!
I don't blame him for wanting to avoid the mental institution, probably because they won't be able to cure him. He'll just end up in a loony bin for the rest of his life or be an experimental guinea pig. Only Saya could cure his condition, but that's because she's an eldritch monster and has intelligence beyond human understanding.
Cannot wait for part 2! And, while this video is longer than your other videos, please try making longer ones too! There are many other weirdos like me who love watching even 2-3 hour long videos
Thinking about it the novel is quite inspired from kafka. Theres a story where a random person turns into a bug, its quire similar to this, without sex. U probably can enjoy it better
A detail I like is that the three "friends" are horrible people, but they're horrible in this way that is seen as normal behavior (particularly in Japanese culture). The status quo is everything. Maintining 'normality' is the purpose for life. You need to find an archetype to slip into, act that archetype to its fullest, and not think any further than that. If something occurs that isn't in the archetype (cough empathy cough) they just don't deal with it. Omi is 'the mean one', the tsundere. Empathy for a friend losing his family and having mental health issues isn't in her archetype so she acts like a pushy jerk, entering his house when he's not home, judging his lawn care, it's psychotic. Koji is dismissive of his suffering friend because he just doesn't want to deal with it. I believe Koji says something akin to "His family died three whole months ago, he should be over it by now." How sociopathic is that?? The bizarre way he reacts when the doctor saves him is like a ranting toddler. he is more upset by the fact that she isn't like her first impressions (She isn't following her predictable archetype, which upsets him) than he is with Fuminori trying to kill him. It's jarring and uncomfortable. Yoh is... gross. She's weak and demure but her design is sexualized in this vulgar way of someone who doesn't know how to properly dress themselves. She asks Fumonori out, his family die, then three months later she's all "Ok enough time has passed do you like me or not?" What an insensitive, selfish thing to say. She later enters a dangerous house because a disembodied voice told her to - no other reason. She's passive to the point where you feel disgusted by her - how can someone have this little personal agency? I like to think that the 'gore world' that Fuminori experiences strips away the falsehoods to an exaggerated degree. His friends are monsterous because they're fake. They have fake personalities and are each repulsive in their lack of empathy and reflection, so he sees them as just as monsterous and hostile as everything else.
Great point! I do wish they showed/hinted that his perception was the same level of correct or useful even if it is driving him insane. Saya seems to indicate that this view of the world is fully functional, and we assume a major part of her powers.
I mean, yeah everything You said about them is true, but these doesn't make them Real "Bad people" they're just human, nobody Is perfect, you're kinda talking like fuminori💀
Lore wise I think you are quite correct about the Yosuke sex scene, they should have added more details to make it have no plotholes in retrospect. However they do clarify later on that she is actually a very small monster and the majority of her combat prowess comes from the element of surprise as opposed to *being* surprised. To the point I could actually see this being realistic enough for the story as she has probably never experienced fear or surprise and when it was happening it didn't take me out of the experience all that much. Yes, it could have been done better, but it still felt like a bombastic and natural turning point for the narrative as a whole, which leads me into my second point. Narrative wise it is probably the most meaningful and critical scene before the true ending, this moment is the catalyst for both the characters and the players where they are finally given true agency for the first time, and will from now on go past the point of no return in the most intimately impactful way to the characters' relationships and futures... as shown clearly by Yoh's tragedy soon after the players choice. Before this point both Fuminori and Saya have been getting away with morally ambiguous character development due to player empathy for their situation and narrative build up, this is the first time they have to face real consequences for their actions and the stakes going forward suddenly become very real as proven by the choice immediately after. While it is fine to say it could have been implemented better, reacting as "japanese must equal no female agency" is tunneled visioned imo when talking about one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the free and developed world. Still thank you for talking about Saya no Uta.
japan may have one of the lowest crime rates, but it has very high sex crime rates (1 in every 14 women have experienced forced intercourse- and that's only counting those that have reported it). Crimes in japan are low because A) they have lots of cameras, and B) the culture is different than America. Committing petty crimes like theft actually makes YOU look bad, and everyone will greatly disapprove of your actions. If you have to take from others instead of just working to afford it, you're a shitty person. However crimes related to SA are NOT the same. Some of the most vile crimes related to SA have happened in Japan, and there's a plethora of sources out there to prove this. Not only that, but MANY of the victims never get any closure really because the law would rather protect a mans dignity than a woman's. Ive heard countless cases were the perpetrator was some CEO or simply had a lot of connections, and basically got out with a slap on the wrist. "it was a small mistake! we shouldn't destroy his whole life over it!" is literally how they view sex crimes. I got nothing wrong with japan, and I know they do a lot of things right. But please, do your research, because it isn't the perfect utopia a lot of people believe.
Tell everyone you know nothing about real-world Japan without telling everyone. 🤦😑 Sexual harassment and crime against women is absolutely ENDEMIC to Japan. It's just that most of it goes unreported because it's just so common and an accepted part of everyday life. People don't want to make a fuss and rock the boat as that's extremely bad in East Asian culture. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down and all that. So men harrass women largely without consequence while those women just shove the pain and disgust deep, deep down. 🤷 So many idiots weebs thinking Japan is some f**king glorious utopia... 🙄
I would not say is the darkest, but definitely a very dark and interest one, I really liked your video. Hope you give a try to other dark VN out there, believe me , is a rabbit hole!
@@LavenderViolet00 depends on what you like! for straight ones, Kara no Shoujo is my favorite. There's also stuff like Subahibi, or anything by Clockup. for BL, anything by Nitro+Chiral is a hit, but Slow Damage is genuinely one of the best VNs ive played i dont know a lot of GL ones, except for Sadistic Blood which is just....... meh.
So i played this game in two separate sittings, those sittings being separated by about a week. On those two days, as I played, flys entered my room. The never appeared before, since, or during that break. I think they knew
"You mean to tell me that the same Saya who can melt glass, kill small animals, drive people mad by merely glancing at them, does neurosurgery with multiple appendages, and ***ing ripped a girl's stomach open is now helplessly crying as a middleaged man man is assaulting her?" Yes, that's exactly what the author and I are telling you. One of Saya's main problem is that she understands how incredibly and instinctively repulsive she is to people. That's why she came on to Fuminori in the first place after all, and deliberately constructed their first encounter in a way that could be interpreted as "fuck, I had another terrible dream because of the meds" if Fuminori didn't see her right - and she could simply run back into the darkness. She had HOPE. And that hope was destroyed when she 'opened the eyes' of another man, who then went on a killing spree and then truly saw her and assaulted her because she was the only thing he could see or smell or touch that wasn't hideous. And honestly - I think Saya just let him do it out of pity, even though she could have easily ended him on the spot, because she realized that unlike Fuminori, who she had saved and given hope to, she had actually ruined this guy's life. She might be a monster with a completely inhuman moral compass, and has done some awful things coming from that mindset, but this is the point where she's confronted with the fact that she has completely and irrevocably fucked someone else up with the same method that helped Fuminori. So she LETS it happen because it's her fault. It's no coincidence, under that theory, that directly after that is when she essentially offers Fuminori the chance to be rid of her once and for all - she's learning human empathy. (Too slowly for the woman she disemboweled, unfortunately, and based on Fuminori's choice to abandon her or to walk alongside her, she's either about to become a tragic shadow hiding in the dark or twist or utterly abandon any idea of human empathy.)
This comment section is worryingly full of people taking pride in being desensitized to horrible shit, like- Not really a flex to say this is "lightweight" for you
Man, I will give you a thumbsup but I am sure as hell will not be watching this, as just looking at some parts of the gallery dumps of Saya no Uta was barf-inducing. Viewer discretion advised FOR REAL.
I just finished the game and it was beautiful it really opened my eyes and when i finished the game i just sat in silence and watched the credits 10/10
I'm so happy I found a video not sexualizing saya. I'm aware the game is literally porn but it makes me so uncomfortable with how content creators sexualize her.
The sex scenes are definitely pornographic, but it plays a huge part of the body horror as well. Fuminori is sleeping with Saya, but he's also having sex with a horrific flesh monster that'll drive you insane if you look at it.
Was my first VN, and now love for the rest of my life. Didn't turn out to be what I expected (I was lucky enough to know nothing about it before reading and didn't get ant spoilers), but in the end I got what I wanted. Now I want more. If anyone knows something alike, please tell me (basic pointless gore doesn't count)
The fact this super powerful interdimensional creature thing was overpowered by a middle aged made me really confused back in the day too, before i knew of the term 'convenient writing' or Japan's true fucked up reality... So yeah it pissed me off too. That being said, i don't think this visual novel, aside the sex bits is all that fucked up, it provides a pretty interesting take on alteration of perspective, if flawed. Like yeah, killing and eating humans is fucked up... If you're a human. If you're not however, its not really any different than us eating animals, and well, animals eating humans. Even the morality part of it checks out, because technically, other types of beings can have a different and completely different morality, heck, even on this planet many cultures and regions have this, where they see some things we'd see as absolutely monstrous as normal (cannibalism still present in some tribes for example). The real part where it fails is the sentience aspect of it, as well as communicability, because realistically, if such a creature, or race existed, you'd still be unable to communicate with it properly due to the disparity in logic and principles would be too great... And if it'd not be, they would be close enough to us in morality and would understand the problem with eating and tormenting sentient beings (people, like we try to minimize the suffering of animals, even those we eat), or would at least quickly learn the morality of our race and understand why its all a problem. Still, its an interesting thought experiment, its kind of a shame its wrapped into such an ugly and half assed package.
So... I've never played the game and I'm learning about it through this video so you definitely have more knowledge than me, but from what I've read in the comments below (and what the video goes over obviously), the communicability aspect of it which you draw an issue with isn't exactly problematic...? I completely get what you mean when you say "you'd be unable to communicate with it properly due to the disparity in logic and principles, and if not, they'd be close enough to us in morality and would understand the problem with eating and tormenting sentient beings", but at the same time... that's kind of how it works? It seems to me that Saya's treatment of others depends on THEIR perception on her. Hence, she probably groups humans into 2 categories; those that see her as beautiful, and those that see her as revolting. The latter are basically inhuman to her and morals don't apply to them, whereas the former is the group that she can actually form a connection with. I don't think that her believing that eating humans is bad is a necessary criteria and prerequisite to her developing a connection with Fumi, and on paper, I feel like... everything checks out
I'd like to actually like this vid... But the BB gameplay is a huge miss imo. It ends up looking like one of those Tiktok reels. And for someone with ADHD like me, it's awful, cause I can't follow the storytelling so well while being distrated by non-related stuff. I do enjoy your voice while narrating the story, but sadly can't finish the vid. Big hug, and will keep an eye for more vids(If they don't fall in the same format, that's it).
@@jakkal100 bro whats the difference she could be a cosmic monster but she is still portrayed as a 13/14 year old and bro had sex with her knowing she was young 😭🙏
17:56 What do You mean a woman do have A lot of agency in Japan do you live there, it just a bad sense for sex to happen why do you have to make it about social norms?
"it is fiction" all people who into non con in fiction be it books or mivies, do approve of rape in real life. And ye thats why bible and quran so popular. And ye thats why rape is so common. Rapists know society wont condemn them seeing most believe bible and quran is source of moral values and that rape is just a way of procreation. In many modern countries if woman is raped she either stoned (in somalia) or hanged(iran) or forced to marry her rapist(saudi arabia). And in russia rape was recently decriminalized to win more support of population towards government. Some fiction. Quran and Bible still used to base legislation on them, hence why in many countries women have no rights and merely kept as sex slaves. Bc of "just fuction" popular fiction, in which rape is shown as smt fine and normal, and is outlawed to criticize this "just fiction"
i know this game isn't for muslims but i played it during a dark time in my life either way ; leave islam out of the talk because in the religion itself the woman who was raped can kill her rapist and if she doesn't he is stoned if he's married or tortured if not as for christianity honestly i don't know but it has many versions that i believe there maybe punishment for rape somewhere but most popes were changing the scripts of the religion so nobody knows as for the examples of countries you gave you need to blame the culture and the people not the religion europe had a lot of good values like the philosophy of Enlightenment which can be considered fiction by your standards idk but they still occupied a lot of countries in africa and asia and killed countless people as for last entertainement media doesn't really know any bounds they will include even rape scenes if it's for profit doesn't mean that it makes rape any better in the minds of normal people , the only people who would change their moral compass because of a game are mentally deranged people that shouldn't be allowed in society
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9:01 the worst thing he can say is no:
Fun fact: The creator of Saya No Uta created Puella Magi Madoka Magica
This … makes insanely good sense to me 😮😮😮
Madoka was an insane collaboration.
Written by Gen Urobuchi (Saya no Uta)
Character design by Ume Aoki (Hidamari Sketch)
Music by Yuki Kajiura (Fate/Zero)
Directed by Akiyuki Shinbo (Monogatari Series)
Can't get more all-star than this back in 2011.
This makes sense
@@Fadzi2342yuki Kajiura has her hands in a good portion of anime I've seen, she did the music for black butler, SAO, Noir, Demon Slayer etc. really great soundtracks regardless of how bad (SAO) or good the anime is
SAO season 1 is insanely good though, arguably one of the best immersive and emotional plots of all time (if you're the target age group)
My question was always, how the heck did Fuminori see himself in the mirror? If normal things appeared grotesque, and if actual grotesque things appeared as “normal” to him, wouldn’t he also see himself as some disgusting monster?
perhaps he views himself as something grotesque as well?
I think he hate himself so his normal appearance is already grotesque enough for him lmao
I don't think he could really see mirrors in the same way we do.
He saw himself as grotesque
Insane how this comment has so many likes even though the answer is so obvious
I used to troll friends by suggesting Song of Saya as a good entry level VN...
Looking forward to part 2.
Except that it kinda is? It's relatively short (~10 hours for all endings), containts little to no "anime bullshit" (i.e things that require you to be very familiar with japanese writing tropes in order to not feel extremely grating/out of place) and has great atmosphere, characters and story. So, yeah, by all intents and purposes Saya no Uta *is* a great entry-level visual novel: in fact, I literally did recommend it to someone who never had any experience with VNs just a couple of months ago. Many of my friends greatly enjoyed it as well.
The only reason why it could be considered *not* a good entry point is because of it's explicit themes, and to that I say - people are way too weak and narrow-minded nowadays. There is a lot I could say on this topic (most of which would result in this comment being shadowbanned/deleted), but in general, being as objective as possible and disregarding my own opinions on the matter: *this is horror*, it is supposed to be uncomfortable, get over it. If you feel that way while playing Saya no Uta - congratulations, everything is working as intended.
Was actually my first VN, love it, hate it. Soon found out it is an 'entry-level f-up vn' and now looking for something harder. But everything I stumble upon seem to be another gore and disgusting stuff, but other than that not really interesting, so I'm still in search
@@charlottewiltshire6076 from my recent experience people give a lot less f's than you expect. Which was really surprising cause I had to revaluate a lot of stuff in my head I concidered to be very niche
@@Chuck_Shurley What is is exactly that you are looking for? Maybe I can help - or try to, anyway. Also, can you tell me which VNs have you already rejected for being just "gore and disgusting stuff"?
@@charlottewiltshire6076Gimme recommendations.
ive been hearing about this vn for years and yesterday i finally decided to stop being lazy and read - definitely enjoyed it lmfao
i will say that i had the same problem you had when reading the saya grape scene as i wondered how a creature like her could just
succumb to something like that??? maybe they were trying to make a point of her being a bit too trusting of that stranger in that moment, i have no idea really but i found it more humorous than they intended im sure
iirc every time saya's shown to win a fight she had the element of surprise, but that time the neighbour had it by a longshot. there's probably also the fact that he's being fuelled by extreme hatred
From the novel its said that she is phisically quite weak despite being...whatever she is and that the big advantage her species has is that their appearance is so frightening that people freeze or panic.
Both the Kijo guy and the doctor go permanently insane from seing the creature(The doctor even implies he could go back tho his normal life eventually if he just quit before seing Saya's true form.
She usually take her opponent by surprise, this Time this was a man who had nothing else to lose and who was fuelled by hatred and Hope to leave this "hell".
Even fuminori said she couldn't do anything against a man without the surprise effect (wich is why she couldn't hunt Koji alone, Koji knew about Saya, well at least Fuminori thought he knew what Saya was because of his bluff, so Fuminori thought she couldn't do anything against Koji if he wasn't surprised, wich is also why they used Yoh as a Trap)
This was recommended by the old Zero Punctuation guys on a "games you probably have not tried" episode. It was my second VN after Katawa Shoujo.
I think that the scene you complained about was necessary to push Fuminori over the edge. There was no going back after that. This is why the first choice of the game is right after it. If you try to go back on murdering a dude, you get the bad ending. As for it making sense, well, I have an idea (spoiler).
The only excuse I can think of is that perhaps in her head it was her "role" to be victimized. In the notes left by the doctor, he theorized that she had to have learned the idea of love from the books she was reading, since it otherwise wouldn't have made sense for her species. Perhaps putting herself into this kind of position was something she did subconsciously to fully convict Fuminori, or more generally, as a woman. The only other people she victimizes are women.
18:00 that scene is the justification for Fuminori to go from utilizing the situation to actively create a favorable situation, the proverbial point of no return
I find that the Song of Saya's got a lot of underrated aspects to it. Like how one of the commenters mentions all of Fuminori's "friends" (which imo is a bit of a missed opportunity to show some tragedy to this, since we never got shown the value of their bond) but another underrated facet is Fuminori's aversion to the mental health system.
I think its damning of our mental institutions and their oppressive nature for a field that's supposed to help the mentally ill and the neurodivergent. And its not like Fuminori's situation is unique. War veterans deal with a similar condition, as PTSD and shell shock override a normal perception in life after war.
Yet the general reaction is to avoid a profession designed to help? It shows how the mental health field has fallen if the reaction to the mental health field is aversion.
The IDW comic revealed Fuminori’s condition and saya herself were part of a twisted experiment.
A part of me wonders if canon Fuminori thought the same thing? With everything else I can believe in him developing an unhealthy paranoia.
The IDW comic also gave saya a true form which I wish the visual novel gave us.
Not a still picture but like a couple artist renditions by people catching a glimpse of her.
Very true! Shows how much psychology and psychiatry still have a long ways to go, as well as a lot of societies/cultures when it comes to the nature of mental health! Stigmatization and both fields of studies used to be a lot worse, but they're still young fields of study and there's still a lot that needs to be done better!
I don't blame him for wanting to avoid the mental institution, probably because they won't be able to cure him. He'll just end up in a loony bin for the rest of his life or be an experimental guinea pig. Only Saya could cure his condition, but that's because she's an eldritch monster and has intelligence beyond human understanding.
Cannot wait for part 2!
And, while this video is longer than your other videos, please try making longer ones too!
There are many other weirdos like me who love watching even 2-3 hour long videos
Thinking about it the novel is quite inspired from kafka. Theres a story where a random person turns into a bug, its quire similar to this, without sex. U probably can enjoy it better
Metamorphosis, not a bad book
@@hyperion3145 "Not a bad book" are you idiot or what? Kafka is a literary genius
@@hyperion3145 a lot worse than this vn
@@qawsdsqq No not THAT Metamorphosis.
“without sex” are you telling me that gregnancy was a lie???
A detail I like is that the three "friends" are horrible people, but they're horrible in this way that is seen as normal behavior (particularly in Japanese culture).
The status quo is everything. Maintining 'normality' is the purpose for life. You need to find an archetype to slip into, act that archetype to its fullest, and not think any further than that. If something occurs that isn't in the archetype (cough empathy cough) they just don't deal with it.
Omi is 'the mean one', the tsundere. Empathy for a friend losing his family and having mental health issues isn't in her archetype so she acts like a pushy jerk, entering his house when he's not home, judging his lawn care, it's psychotic.
Koji is dismissive of his suffering friend because he just doesn't want to deal with it. I believe Koji says something akin to "His family died three whole months ago, he should be over it by now." How sociopathic is that?? The bizarre way he reacts when the doctor saves him is like a ranting toddler. he is more upset by the fact that she isn't like her first impressions (She isn't following her predictable archetype, which upsets him) than he is with Fuminori trying to kill him. It's jarring and uncomfortable.
Yoh is... gross. She's weak and demure but her design is sexualized in this vulgar way of someone who doesn't know how to properly dress themselves. She asks Fumonori out, his family die, then three months later she's all "Ok enough time has passed do you like me or not?" What an insensitive, selfish thing to say. She later enters a dangerous house because a disembodied voice told her to - no other reason. She's passive to the point where you feel disgusted by her - how can someone have this little personal agency?
I like to think that the 'gore world' that Fuminori experiences strips away the falsehoods to an exaggerated degree. His friends are monsterous because they're fake. They have fake personalities and are each repulsive in their lack of empathy and reflection, so he sees them as just as monsterous and hostile as everything else.
i actually really like how you picked up on that
Honestly they were pretty good friends for putting up with Fuminori for three months
Great point! I do wish they showed/hinted that his perception was the same level of correct or useful even if it is driving him insane. Saya seems to indicate that this view of the world is fully functional, and we assume a major part of her powers.
I mean, yeah everything You said about them is true, but these doesn't make them Real "Bad people" they're just human, nobody Is perfect, you're kinda talking like fuminori💀
Lore wise I think you are quite correct about the Yosuke sex scene, they should have added more details to make it have no plotholes in retrospect. However they do clarify later on that she is actually a very small monster and the majority of her combat prowess comes from the element of surprise as opposed to *being* surprised. To the point I could actually see this being realistic enough for the story as she has probably never experienced fear or surprise and when it was happening it didn't take me out of the experience all that much. Yes, it could have been done better, but it still felt like a bombastic and natural turning point for the narrative as a whole, which leads me into my second point. Narrative wise it is probably the most meaningful and critical scene before the true ending, this moment is the catalyst for both the characters and the players where they are finally given true agency for the first time, and will from now on go past the point of no return in the most intimately impactful way to the characters' relationships and futures... as shown clearly by Yoh's tragedy soon after the players choice. Before this point both Fuminori and Saya have been getting away with morally ambiguous character development due to player empathy for their situation and narrative build up, this is the first time they have to face real consequences for their actions and the stakes going forward suddenly become very real as proven by the choice immediately after. While it is fine to say it could have been implemented better, reacting as "japanese must equal no female agency" is tunneled visioned imo when talking about one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the free and developed world. Still thank you for talking about Saya no Uta.
japan may have one of the lowest crime rates, but it has very high sex crime rates (1 in every 14 women have experienced forced intercourse- and that's only counting those that have reported it). Crimes in japan are low because A) they have lots of cameras, and B) the culture is different than America. Committing petty crimes like theft actually makes YOU look bad, and everyone will greatly disapprove of your actions. If you have to take from others instead of just working to afford it, you're a shitty person. However crimes related to SA are NOT the same. Some of the most vile crimes related to SA have happened in Japan, and there's a plethora of sources out there to prove this. Not only that, but MANY of the victims never get any closure really because the law would rather protect a mans dignity than a woman's. Ive heard countless cases were the perpetrator was some CEO or simply had a lot of connections, and basically got out with a slap on the wrist. "it was a small mistake! we shouldn't destroy his whole life over it!" is literally how they view sex crimes.
I got nothing wrong with japan, and I know they do a lot of things right. But please, do your research, because it isn't the perfect utopia a lot of people believe.
Tell everyone you know nothing about real-world Japan without telling everyone. 🤦😑 Sexual harassment and crime against women is absolutely ENDEMIC to Japan. It's just that most of it goes unreported because it's just so common and an accepted part of everyday life. People don't want to make a fuss and rock the boat as that's extremely bad in East Asian culture. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down and all that. So men harrass women largely without consequence while those women just shove the pain and disgust deep, deep down. 🤷
So many idiots weebs thinking Japan is some f**king glorious utopia... 🙄
I would not say is the darkest, but definitely a very dark and interest one, I really liked your video. Hope you give a try to other dark VN out there, believe me , is a rabbit hole!
I've been curious about other dark VNs out there since reading Song of Saya. Which ones would you recommend?
@@LavenderViolet00 Full Metal Demon Muramasa, finished it 2 weeks or so ago and it's definitely in my top 3 vns.
@@LavenderViolet00 depends on what you like!
for straight ones, Kara no Shoujo is my favorite. There's also stuff like Subahibi, or anything by Clockup.
for BL, anything by Nitro+Chiral is a hit, but Slow Damage is genuinely one of the best VNs ive played
i dont know a lot of GL ones, except for Sadistic Blood which is just....... meh.
speaking of rabbit holes.. cant wait till this dude finds subahibi
Darkest? Well, someone's an inexperienced lightweight.
Suggest some mastah 😂
@@makotheshark3365 Maggot Baits
@@DarkAdonisVyers any else? Went down the horror visual novel rabbit hole im tryna read more
@@draco2378 Sadistic Blood.
@@draco2378jaiden animations hentai
So i played this game in two separate sittings, those sittings being separated by about a week. On those two days, as I played, flys entered my room. The never appeared before, since, or during that break. I think they knew
I am so glad i found this video
Thank you so much for making it
I love pleasing my morbid curiosity
I remember playing it as a kid when I was obsessed with visual novels (rip fuwanovel) thinking it was a generic romance. 😭 might have to replay
Its far from the most disturbing, dark or evil. Anybody ever hear of Maggot Baits? Or Fate: Heaven's Feel?
I understand Maggot Baits but Heaven’s Feel? Really??
I can't even watch Sydsnap's video about THAT VN.
Maggot baits was insane when I read it. I think it came from the creators of Euphoria?
I wanted to forget that Maggot Baits ever existed....
Calling Heaven's Feel disturbing is crazy😂
"You mean to tell me that the same Saya who can melt glass, kill small animals, drive people mad by merely glancing at them, does neurosurgery with multiple appendages, and ***ing ripped a girl's stomach open is now helplessly crying as a middleaged man man is assaulting her?"
Yes, that's exactly what the author and I are telling you. One of Saya's main problem is that she understands how incredibly and instinctively repulsive she is to people. That's why she came on to Fuminori in the first place after all, and deliberately constructed their first encounter in a way that could be interpreted as "fuck, I had another terrible dream because of the meds" if Fuminori didn't see her right - and she could simply run back into the darkness. She had HOPE.
And that hope was destroyed when she 'opened the eyes' of another man, who then went on a killing spree and then truly saw her and assaulted her because she was the only thing he could see or smell or touch that wasn't hideous. And honestly - I think Saya just let him do it out of pity, even though she could have easily ended him on the spot, because she realized that unlike Fuminori, who she had saved and given hope to, she had actually ruined this guy's life. She might be a monster with a completely inhuman moral compass, and has done some awful things coming from that mindset, but this is the point where she's confronted with the fact that she has completely and irrevocably fucked someone else up with the same method that helped Fuminori. So she LETS it happen because it's her fault. It's no coincidence, under that theory, that directly after that is when she essentially offers Fuminori the chance to be rid of her once and for all - she's learning human empathy. (Too slowly for the woman she disemboweled, unfortunately, and based on Fuminori's choice to abandon her or to walk alongside her, she's either about to become a tragic shadow hiding in the dark or twist or utterly abandon any idea of human empathy.)
I'm still waiting for an anime adaptation
Join the queue. Punpun has first dibs.
Pleasee!! 😭 If its an anime I hope the sex part isn't added into the anime....that scarred me.
Gurl plz this game from 2003 nobody touching that
@@bruhservices5942 LMAO!!!! That reassure me IMMENSELY
Bro why would any studio create an anime out of this 😭 it would get canceled
I can't wait for part two I like your explanation of the game
"The Darkest Visual Novel: The Song of Saya "
Sayonara o Oshiete, Wonderful Everyday, Fraternite: First Time?
I'm excited for part two!
Proving Detroit Become Human’s ost fits in everything
This is the very first visual novel I played back when I was 12, still my favourite to this day.
I'm really liking these yt algorithm wins on my end lol. Awesome content man!
My friend recommended this to me.....I was so invested and scarred.....
This comment section is worryingly full of people taking pride in being desensitized to horrible shit, like- Not really a flex to say this is "lightweight" for you
Gen Urobuchi is one of my fav writters for sure
I thought it was "song part of one saya" until a few seconds later in the video.
my ex was into this game.
I see why they're my ex.
i love the connor theme playing in the back lol
The music is so good like Omg
This is not even close to the darkest visual novel. Not even kinda close.
Would you share some examples? Or no?
Euphoria, Maggot Baits, Dead End Aegis, Fraternite…
@@eyitsmcdoydoy2591 Is that all, I'd like some more recommendations?
Man, I will give you a thumbsup but I am sure as hell will not be watching this, as just looking at some parts of the gallery dumps of Saya no Uta was barf-inducing. Viewer discretion advised FOR REAL.
All my homies are winter lanterns , the novel.
I just finished the game and it was beautiful it really opened my eyes and when i finished the game i just sat in silence and watched the credits 10/10
I remember watching this like 6-8 years ago it feels like and now people are finally talking about it XD
My man cleary didnt played Maggot Bait
Saya no Uta was my second ever VN.
Right after Katawa Shoujo, lol.
I'm so happy I found a video not sexualizing saya. I'm aware the game is literally porn but it makes me so uncomfortable with how content creators sexualize her.
Sir that's a fictional murderous flesh blob you're worried about
Oh damn just found this due to algorithm. What a nostalgic horror. I found this when I was in middle school and it spawned my love for body horror. 😁
The sex scenes are definitely pornographic, but it plays a huge part of the body horror as well. Fuminori is sleeping with Saya, but he's also having sex with a horrific flesh monster that'll drive you insane if you look at it.
Was my first VN, and now love for the rest of my life. Didn't turn out to be what I expected (I was lucky enough to know nothing about it before reading and didn't get ant spoilers), but in the end I got what I wanted. Now I want more. If anyone knows something alike, please tell me (basic pointless gore doesn't count)
figured out that there is sex scenes, i must play this game IMMEDEATLY
The girl looks 12. Fucking ew
The fact this super powerful interdimensional creature thing was overpowered by a middle aged made me really confused back in the day too, before i knew of the term 'convenient writing' or Japan's true fucked up reality... So yeah it pissed me off too. That being said, i don't think this visual novel, aside the sex bits is all that fucked up, it provides a pretty interesting take on alteration of perspective, if flawed. Like yeah, killing and eating humans is fucked up... If you're a human. If you're not however, its not really any different than us eating animals, and well, animals eating humans. Even the morality part of it checks out, because technically, other types of beings can have a different and completely different morality, heck, even on this planet many cultures and regions have this, where they see some things we'd see as absolutely monstrous as normal (cannibalism still present in some tribes for example).
The real part where it fails is the sentience aspect of it, as well as communicability, because realistically, if such a creature, or race existed, you'd still be unable to communicate with it properly due to the disparity in logic and principles would be too great... And if it'd not be, they would be close enough to us in morality and would understand the problem with eating and tormenting sentient beings (people, like we try to minimize the suffering of animals, even those we eat), or would at least quickly learn the morality of our race and understand why its all a problem. Still, its an interesting thought experiment, its kind of a shame its wrapped into such an ugly and half assed package.
So... I've never played the game and I'm learning about it through this video so you definitely have more knowledge than me, but from what I've read in the comments below (and what the video goes over obviously), the communicability aspect of it which you draw an issue with isn't exactly problematic...?
I completely get what you mean when you say "you'd be unable to communicate with it properly due to the disparity in logic and principles, and if not, they'd be close enough to us in morality and would understand the problem with eating and tormenting sentient beings", but at the same time... that's kind of how it works?
It seems to me that Saya's treatment of others depends on THEIR perception on her. Hence, she probably groups humans into 2 categories; those that see her as beautiful, and those that see her as revolting. The latter are basically inhuman to her and morals don't apply to them, whereas the former is the group that she can actually form a connection with. I don't think that her believing that eating humans is bad is a necessary criteria and prerequisite to her developing a connection with Fumi, and on paper, I feel like... everything checks out
Ooh you poor soul…Saya No Uta is NOT the Darkest 🫣
At my old job I would listen to the ost of this game.
This is the ultimate Japanese being hella Japanese book/game
How does he clean anything ?
My favorite character from saya no uta is saya
Only if he heard about Euphoria 😭
i need part 2 rn bro wtfff
"demonetize each other" 😂
My second VN experience
I hate the fact that I downloaded the uncensored version lol (even the eroge scenes too)
This has gotta be the most fucked up story ive ever heard
TH-cam algorithm popping off
Forehead wife is like 14 😭
Need part 2 lol
Song part of one Saya
Nice Bloodborne gameplay in one of the most dusturbing stuff I've ever had the displeasure to read.
The uncensored version is on GOG btw
Lobotomy asmr when? XD
Song part of one Saya.
4:45 is that Neil cicierega
Song part of one Saya...?
Oh wait
Song Part Of One Saya
Song part of one saya
I'd like to actually like this vid... But the BB gameplay is a huge miss imo. It ends up looking like one of those Tiktok reels. And for someone with ADHD like me, it's awful, cause I can't follow the storytelling so well while being distrated by non-related stuff.
I do enjoy your voice while narrating the story, but sadly can't finish the vid. Big hug, and will keep an eye for more vids(If they don't fall in the same format, that's it).
Liked because I fw Bloodborne
song part one of saya
I think the Bloodborne gameplay was more gory and sexual 🙂↔️
Guy should just eat indian street food from now on tbh
my first vn, good times
Okay but detroit become human host
Detroit become human ost 👀
was my first vn
4:50
chalice
Try fraternite
Fortnite reference?
22 seconds late, sorry for that.
okay but saying you dont care about dubcon and noncon is CRAZY
play subahibi
Here we go again... normies coming into the visual novel space and ruining it with these type of videos
????
She is literally 13/14
She’s literally a cosmic monster
She is an eldritch horror
“b-but shes a 10000 year old eldritch monster!”
@@06window37
She is though, she's literally just like a ball of flesh
@@jakkal100 bro whats the difference she could be a cosmic monster but she is still portrayed as a 13/14 year old and bro had sex with her knowing she was young 😭🙏
Saya no Uta is great but it is NOT the darkest visual novel. That is such an insane claim in the title lol
Amogus
not waiting for part 2
17:56 What do You mean a woman do have A lot of agency in Japan do you live there, it just a bad sense for sex to happen why do you have to make it about social norms?
dude put darkest just to get clicks
After you sayd you favored character not Saya i insta disliked this video
"it is fiction" all people who into non con in fiction be it books or mivies, do approve of rape in real life. And ye thats why bible and quran so popular. And ye thats why rape is so common. Rapists know society wont condemn them seeing most believe bible and quran is source of moral values and that rape is just a way of procreation. In many modern countries if woman is raped she either stoned (in somalia) or hanged(iran) or forced to marry her rapist(saudi arabia). And in russia rape was recently decriminalized to win more support of population towards government. Some fiction. Quran and Bible still used to base legislation on them, hence why in many countries women have no rights and merely kept as sex slaves. Bc of "just fuction" popular fiction, in which rape is shown as smt fine and normal, and is outlawed to criticize this "just fiction"
i know this game isn't for muslims but i played it during a dark time in my life either way ; leave islam out of the talk because in the religion itself the woman who was raped can kill her rapist and if she doesn't he is stoned if he's married or tortured if not
as for christianity honestly i don't know but it has many versions that i believe there maybe punishment for rape somewhere but most popes were changing the scripts of the religion so nobody knows
as for the examples of countries you gave you need to blame the culture and the people not the religion
europe had a lot of good values like the philosophy of Enlightenment which can be considered fiction by your standards idk but they still occupied a lot of countries in africa and asia and killed countless people
as for last entertainement media doesn't really know any bounds they will include even rape scenes if it's for profit doesn't mean that it makes rape any better in the minds of normal people , the only people who would change their moral compass because of a game are mentally deranged people that shouldn't be allowed in society
Song part of one saya
Song part of one saya