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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2024
- In this video, I will summarize The Song of Saya, and explain one of the darkest visual novels I have ever come across. Viewer discretion is advised.
Songs used:
Hostage - Detroit Become Human OST
The Song of Saya I - The Song of Saya OST
Integral Intonations - Nycto, Isaak Wolf - เกม
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9:01 the worst thing he can say is no:
Thinking about it the novel is quite inspired from kafka. Theres a story where a random person turns into a bug, its quire similar to this, without sex. U probably can enjoy it better
A detail I like is that the three "friends" are horrible people, but they're horrible in this way that is seen as normal behavior (particularly in Japanese culture).
The status quo is everything. Maintining 'normality' is the purpose for life. You need to find an archetype to slip into, act that archetype to its fullest, and not think any further than that. If something occurs that isn't in the archetype (cough empathy cough) they just don't deal with it.
Omi is 'the mean one', the tsundere. Empathy for a friend losing his family and having mental health issues isn't in her archetype so she acts like a pushy jerk, entering his house when he's not home, judging his lawn care, it's psychotic.
Koji is dismissive of his suffering friend because he just doesn't want to deal with it. I believe Koji says something akin to "His family died three whole months ago, he should be over it by now." How sociopathic is that?? The bizarre way he reacts when the doctor saves him is like a ranting toddler. he is more upset by the fact that she isn't like her first impressions (She isn't following her predictable archetype, which upsets him) than he is with Fuminori trying to kill him. It's jarring and uncomfortable.
Yoh is... gross. She's weak and demure but her design is sexualized in this vulgar way of someone who doesn't know how to properly dress themselves. She asks Fumonori out, his family die, then three months later she's all "Ok enough time has passed do you like me or not?" What an insensitive, selfish thing to say. She later enters a dangerous house because a disembodied voice told her to - no other reason. She's passive to the point where you feel disgusted by her - how can someone have this little personal agency?
I like to think that the 'gore world' that Fuminori experiences strips away the falsehoods to an exaggerated degree. His friends are monsterous because they're fake. They have fake personalities and are each repulsive in their lack of empathy and reflection, so he sees them as just as monsterous and hostile as everything else.
i actually really like how you picked up on that
Honestly they were pretty good friends for putting up with Fuminori for three months
Great point! I do wish they showed/hinted that his perception was the same level of correct or useful even if it is driving him insane. Saya seems to indicate that this view of the world is fully functional, and we assume a major part of her powers.
I used to troll friends by suggesting Song of Saya as a good entry level VN...
Looking forward to part 2.
Except that it kinda is? It's relatively short (~10 hours for all endings), containts little to no "anime bullshit" (i.e things that require you to be very familiar with japanese writing tropes in order to not feel extremely grating/out of place) and has great atmosphere, characters and story. So, yeah, by all intents and purposes Saya no Uta *is* a great entry-level visual novel: in fact, I literally did recommend it to someone who never had any experience with VNs just a couple of months ago. Many of my friends greatly enjoyed it as well.
The only reason why it could be considered *not* a good entry point is because of it's explicit themes, and to that I say - people are way too weak and narrow-minded nowadays. There is a lot I could say on this topic (most of which would result in this comment being shadowbanned/deleted), but in general, being as objective as possible and disregarding my own opinions on the matter: *this is horror*, it is supposed to be uncomfortable, get over it. If you feel that way while playing Saya no Uta - congratulations, everything is working as intended.
Was actually my first VN, love it, hate it. Soon found out it is an 'entry-level f-up vn' and now looking for something harder. But everything I stumble upon seem to be another gore and disgusting stuff, but other than that not really interesting, so I'm still in search
@@charlottewiltshire6076 from my recent experience people give a lot less f's than you expect. Which was really surprising cause I had to revaluate a lot of stuff in my head I concidered to be very niche
@@Chuck_Shurley What is is exactly that you are looking for? Maybe I can help - or try to, anyway. Also, can you tell me which VNs have you already rejected for being just "gore and disgusting stuff"?
I would not say is the darkest, but definitely a very dark and interest one, I really liked your video. Hope you give a try to other dark VN out there, believe me , is a rabbit hole!
This was recommended by the old Zero Punctuation guys on a "games you probably have not tried" episode. It was my second VN after Katawa Shoujo.
I think that the scene you complained about was necessary to push Fuminori over the edge. There was no going back after that. This is why the first choice of the game is right after it. If you try to go back on murdering a dude, you get the bad ending. As for it making sense, well, I have an idea (spoiler).
The only excuse I can think of is that perhaps in her head it was her "role" to be victimized. In the notes left by the doctor, he theorized that she had to have learned the idea of love from the books she was reading, since it otherwise wouldn't have made sense for her species. Perhaps putting herself into this kind of position was something she did subconsciously to fully convict Fuminori, or more generally, as a woman. The only other people she victimizes are women.
ive been hearing about this vn for years and yesterday i finally decided to stop being lazy and read - definitely enjoyed it lmfao
i will say that i had the same problem you had when reading the saya grape scene as i wondered how a creature like her could just
succumb to something like that??? maybe they were trying to make a point of her being a bit too trusting of that stranger in that moment, i have no idea really but i found it more humorous than they intended im sure
iirc every time saya's shown to win a fight she had the element of surprise, but that time the neighbour had it by a longshot. there's probably also the fact that he's being fuelled by extreme hatred
Cannot wait for part 2!
And, while this video is longer than your other videos, please try making longer ones too!
There are many other weirdos like me who love watching even 2-3 hour long videos
I'm excited for part two!
I can't wait for part two I like your explanation of the game
This is the very first visual novel I played back when I was 12, still my favourite to this day.
Darkest? Well, someone's an inexperienced lightweight.
Suggest some mastah 😂
@@makotheshark3365 Maggot Baits
@@DarkAdonisVyers any else? Went down the horror visual novel rabbit hole im tryna read more
@@draco2378 Sadistic Blood.
The music is so good like Omg
Nice Bloodborne gameplay in one of the most dusturbing stuff I've ever had the displeasure to read.
The uncensored version is on GOG btw
I'm still waiting for an anime adaptation
Join the queue. Punpun has first dibs.
Pleasee!! 😭 If its an anime I hope the sex part isn't added into the anime....that scarred me.
Gurl plz this game from 2003 nobody touching that
@@bruhservices5942 LMAO!!!! That reassure me IMMENSELY
Bro why would any studio create an anime out of this 😭 it would get canceled
Man, I will give you a thumbsup but I am sure as hell will not be watching this, as just looking at some parts of the gallery dumps of Saya no Uta was barf-inducing. Viewer discretion advised FOR REAL.
Gen Urobuchi is one of my fav writters for sure
My friend recommended this to me.....I was so invested and scarred.....
i need part 2 rn bro wtfff
Proving Detroit Become Human’s ost fits in everything
This is not even close to the darkest visual novel. Not even kinda close.
Need part 2 lol
Was my first VA, and now love for the rest of my life. Didn't turn out to be what I expected (I was lucky enough to know nothing about it before reading and didn't get ant spoilers), but in the end I got what I wanted. Now I want more. If anyone knows something alike, please tell me (basic pointless gore doesn't count)
Lobotomy asmr when? XD
not waiting for part 2
Lore wise I think you are quite correct about the Yosuke sex scene, they should have added more details to make it have no plotholes in retrospect. However they do clarify later on that she is actually a very small monster and the majority of her combat prowess comes from the element of surprise as opposed to *being* surprised. To the point I could actually see this being realistic enough for the story as she has probably never experienced fear or surprise and when it was happening it didn't take me out of the experience all that much. Yes, it could have been done better, but it still felt like a bombastic and natural turning point for the narrative as a whole, which leads me into my second point. Narrative wise it is probably the most meaningful and critical scene before the true ending, this moment is the catalyst for both the characters and the players where they are finally given true agency for the first time, and will from now on go past the point of no return in the most intimately impactful way to the characters' relationships and futures... as shown clearly by Yoh's tragedy soon after the players choice. Before this point both Fuminori and Saya have been getting away with morally ambiguous character development due to player empathy for their situation and narrative build up, this is the first time they have to face real consequences for their actions and the stakes going forward suddenly become very real as proven by the choice immediately after. While it is fine to say it could have been implemented better, reacting as "japanese must equal no female agency" is tunneled visioned imo when talking about one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the free and developed world. Still thank you for talking about Saya no Uta.
My second VN experience
4:45 is that Neil cicierega
was my first vn
4:50
TH-cam algorithm popping off
I think the Bloodborne gameplay was more gory and sexual 🙂↔️
22 seconds late, sorry for that.
17:56 What do You mean a woman do have A lot of agency in Japan do you live there, it just a bad sense for sex to happen why do you have to make it about social norms?
Okay but detroit become human host
Amogus
She is literally 13/14
She’s literally a cosmic monster
She is an eldritch horror
After you sayd you favored character not Saya i insta disliked this video
figured out that there is sex scenes, i must play this game IMMEDEATLY