Still is one of the most lore thematic army. Where every other army is lore thematic light. The battle traits are the most interesting. For an army to just throw on the table for a dont think to much game. They are a lot more effective than Rob can handle.
They should be able to always take a 1 drop list. And also on the charge mega’s should always have the 2+ D3 MW on their warscroll. And the maneaters need a point decrease!
Funny video! On a serious note though, how would you go about fixing Sons of Behemat? One of my favorite, simple suggestions that I've seen was simply making them immune to modifiers to hit (and to wound, potentially). The 4+ to hit makes sense, but at the same time it interacts very awkwardly with minuses for obvious reasons. This effect could be rolled into the Son of Behemat rule. I also think it would've been better if instead of traditional attacks they had WHFB Giant Attacks-style rules. Think current Rampages, but less shite rolls or 4D6 mortals on a coin flip. I want to be able to pick up and eat enemy soldiers to heal, I want to swing a giant club through the whole enemy unit to break hordes and I want to jump up and down until either there is no one left or my giant falls over! That or just make 'em the Destruction shooting army. Could also be a somewhat fun angle for the army.
They have had their moments in the sun particularly king Brodds stomp, while they aren’t doing well right now but this vid is largely satirical as rob has a long running dislike of the army and its play style
As a gargant player i disagree hardly with some ranks especially kragnos (is most likely to happen with two dice, so the ability isnt that stable). Yeah the megas Hit like sh** so you always fight with all out attack. The Krakeneater is better against hords with the Auto slain every combatphase than whatever the warstomper does. But the models could be more different in looks and building. Im looking for the next tierlists from you. Particularly chaos 😅
I've played sons at a tournament in August i went 1 and 4 but the Gatebreaker and Kraken-Eater did the most for me. Man crushers were useful for tactics and as a screen
I really wanted to pick up mega gargants because they seemed interesting and so much easier to move than Sylvaneth. No more broken bits! And break out King Brodd in a D&D game as a boss fight.... But after seeing this and their price I really can't justify it.
the big lads suffer the same problems destruction do as a whole. As soon as you get slapped with a -1 to hit you aint killing anything. If we're paying premium points for big health pools, we should be hitting on 3's at least!
Gargant doesn't have enough attacks. Especially when you have units like chosen and Vanguard That get to fight twice. And good armor saves and good mortal wound output. 35 wound and a 4+ save just isn't enough to survive.
My question is, if the army is so bad, if they struggle to hit anything, why so down on them? Brod should be in fine, megas all in least effective, mancrushers in ineffective.
So Rob, show me on the doll where the mega gargant hurt you 😮 I still say they play better in this edition, as you can't just sit on the middle objectives and win, they have to be mobile and have actual skill now, which must be why they are not doing that well, as most ppl who played them had a hard time thinking about both moving and rolling dice in the same hour 😂😂
Rob not to be rude but this was a very disappointing video. There wasn't a singular giant you could think of that would be a bit better than least effective? I do agree with some of the points, I think Destruction as a whole should not be hitting on 4's. GW seems to punish Destruction as a whole (outside of gitz) for existing. The thought is that in order to be a good army/list you need to be able to drop a gargant a turn. Very sad about gargants haha, love your content!
i feel like the gargants should be monsters you can use in all destruction armies and not have an army, cause i love the models, but it is obvious that they can't do rules for such a particuliar army that said, it is really fun painting them
Alot of the complaints about Gargants were directed at Ogres when they were the newest WHFB army. I think what helped them was the variety in companions like Gnoblars and Yetis and beasts. Gargants need something besides big man with different scavenged weapon
Okay I admit, I have no interest in this army and just clicked to hear Rob throw shade all over the Gargants and was not disappointed.
Perfect!
This
Same
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As a gargant player I don’t understand this tiering thing but I’m very happy to see us all standing together
As a gargant player if I could find the play button i'd be mad.... but I can't so I'm assuming its just 19:17 of joy about my big lads
You got it big lad
Loved, "very effective for a model half its points."
I got my appropriate adult to press play on this video. I didn't understand any of it but there were lots of pretty pictures.
Thank goodness. Hope your nap time is nice
You say gargant am bad? Just wait til NEW gargant, the 'Noun-verb-er' (with same rules) come along, you be sad.
I had to go away from the stream shortly after I suggested this. Makes me so happy you actually did it! Glad you liked my suggestion :P
It was wonderful. Thanks for being fantastic
Oh rob, that was the best tierlist show you've ever done. Perfectly to the point. I hope a GW employee watches this.
Did I just watch a 19 minute meme?
Yes
Called it after the first one, but ultimately it was still way funnier than I could have ever predicted
I'm so glad x
Excellent tier list. Do you think SoB could be saved if they got a unit that was 60 Clanrats in a trenchcoat?
"ME HAPPY ALL GRARGN GREEN N GREEN GD. GRAGANT NUMBA WUN! GO GRANTGANT"
I love how the preview has them distributed amongst the tiers.
Hahaha
Rob chose violence today.
Sadly, it seems the Gargants did not follow that example
Still is one of the most lore thematic army.
Where every other army is lore thematic light.
The battle traits are the most interesting.
For an army to just throw on the table for a dont think to much game.
They are a lot more effective than Rob can handle.
They should be able to always take a 1 drop list. And also on the charge mega’s should always have the 2+ D3 MW on their warscroll. And the maneaters need a point decrease!
I nearly thought this was a genuine video and was going to skip then thought "ah it's only 20 minutes I'm sure it'll be fine" worth it.
I think rob rated them by how fun they are to play.
This has brightened my day 😂
That's all I wanted to do
Funny video!
On a serious note though, how would you go about fixing Sons of Behemat?
One of my favorite, simple suggestions that I've seen was simply making them immune to modifiers to hit (and to wound, potentially). The 4+ to hit makes sense, but at the same time it interacts very awkwardly with minuses for obvious reasons. This effect could be rolled into the Son of Behemat rule.
I also think it would've been better if instead of traditional attacks they had WHFB Giant Attacks-style rules. Think current Rampages, but less shite rolls or 4D6 mortals on a coin flip. I want to be able to pick up and eat enemy soldiers to heal, I want to swing a giant club through the whole enemy unit to break hordes and I want to jump up and down until either there is no one left or my giant falls over!
That or just make 'em the Destruction shooting army. Could also be a somewhat fun angle for the army.
Ok wait, is this genuine? This feels like sarcasm. I actually wanted to pick up this army. And was looking for some input on the army.
Sadly it's broadly true. Currently they somewhat suck because they basically stand around slowly dying and not doing much damage back.
He put more effort into the thumbnail than the actual video this is was so fuckin lame what is going on
They have had their moments in the sun particularly king Brodds stomp, while they aren’t doing well right now but this vid is largely satirical as rob has a long running dislike of the army and its play style
Here for the eye rolls
As a gargant player i disagree hardly with some ranks especially kragnos (is most likely to happen with two dice, so the ability isnt that stable). Yeah the megas Hit like sh** so you always fight with all out attack. The Krakeneater is better against hords with the Auto slain every combatphase than whatever the warstomper does. But the models could be more different in looks and building. Im looking for the next tierlists from you. Particularly chaos 😅
It makes me sad to hear so much hate for them. Gargantuan are the army I'm interested in =(
I've played sons at a tournament in August i went 1 and 4 but the Gatebreaker and Kraken-Eater did the most for me. Man crushers were useful for tactics and as a screen
Such a enormous list! Massive shoutout to all Colossal generals!
I really wanted to pick up mega gargants because they seemed interesting and so much easier to move than Sylvaneth. No more broken bits! And break out King Brodd in a D&D game as a boss fight.... But after seeing this and their price I really can't justify it.
Came for gargant shade, was not disappointed.
the big lads suffer the same problems destruction do as a whole. As soon as you get slapped with a -1 to hit you aint killing anything.
If we're paying premium points for big health pools, we should be hitting on 3's at least!
Rob throws so much Shade you would be forgiven for mistaking him for a Gargant 😁😁😁
19 mins of shaking my head and scoffing
Such a savage video 😂
Gargant doesn't have enough attacks. Especially when you have units like chosen and Vanguard That get to fight twice. And good armor saves and good mortal wound output. 35 wound and a 4+ save just isn't enough to survive.
Sadly, you are correct!
Hey Rob! Fairly new to the channel. Why don’t you like Mega gargants?
It was a privledge (and a riot) seeing this happen live
I too am here to hear you throw shade but is it the concept of gargants or just gw's take on them?
Wow, such insightful commentary, if ibly inunderstood any of it
As a gargant player this made me cackle 😅
Not as scared of them now.
Is it april first already?
Yes. Rob hates the army and clearly hates the players.
Hey Rob, just got the spearhead for lumineth, this will be my new army. Help a brother out and do a tier list for them pls lol
That was some funny shit xD
My question is, if the army is so bad, if they struggle to hit anything, why so down on them?
Brod should be in fine, megas all in least effective, mancrushers in ineffective.
Let me tell you Rob, Gargants are not a good counter meta pick for Sylvaneth. Durthu chews threw them with ease.
Oh I know
Pmsl at this tier list
I’ve heard an opinion on Vince venturella’s channel, that Sons should be nerfed. I wondered: even more nerfed?!
He's more of a narrative painter chap
So Rob, show me on the doll where the mega gargant hurt you 😮
I still say they play better in this edition, as you can't just sit on the middle objectives and win, they have to be mobile and have actual skill now, which must be why they are not doing that well, as most ppl who played them had a hard time thinking about both moving and rolling dice in the same hour 😂😂
I like list green bestest colour
Wait, this isn't april, wtf, nor is it the first of April, lol
Rob not to be rude but this was a very disappointing video. There wasn't a singular giant you could think of that would be a bit better than least effective? I do agree with some of the points, I think Destruction as a whole should not be hitting on 4's. GW seems to punish Destruction as a whole (outside of gitz) for existing. The thought is that in order to be a good army/list you need to be able to drop a gargant a turn. Very sad about gargants haha, love your content!
i feel like the gargants should be monsters you can use in all destruction armies and not have an army, cause i love the models, but it is obvious that they can't do rules for such a particuliar army
that said, it is really fun painting them
its maybe not 100% what you have in mind but destruction armies can take one of the big giants as an Regiment of Renown.
Who hurt you?
Could be you if you play your cards right big boy
As a gargant player, I was wondering if you could speak slower?
As I said much quicker than Storm Cast.
Why the hate for gargants? Sorry only recently started watching
Rob was touched by a mega gargant 😂
Why the Rogan hate? Seems unnecessary. I could see Joe playing Warhammer.
If you have to ask that question you might be in the wrong place
Alot of the complaints about Gargants were directed at Ogres when they were the newest WHFB army. I think what helped them was the variety in companions like Gnoblars and Yetis and beasts. Gargants need something besides big man with different scavenged weapon