Theory extension: Marcus adopted the orphan to carry on the family business because he himself is sterile after generations of significant lead exposure.
I remember one of the times when Marcus was telling his story the kid annoyed him and he says something like "You know your adopted right". I always took that to mean he was telling these stories to someone he was raising. After all he comes from a long line of merchants. Maybe he adopted an orphan to carry on the family business.
A Mini-Marcus? Sounds like a good idea for a quest chain in a future game. Maybe he, or she would want to make and produce weapons rather than just selling them and would task you with "freeing up" buildings and structures filled with gangs and psychos. The reward could be an increased amount of "on-sale" weapons in Marcus' store.
One rare voice line you can get from Mancubus after youve completed the Guns, Love and Tentacles is "you have a dark past and your future...well, beware of this Marcus fellow". This line of dialogue remains extremely overlooked and bizzarely teases a Marcus betrayal.
Exactly why Zane probably would thank the other VH's for saving him the hits he probably hated thinking about having to do himself cause they would have been personal.
I believe krieg and tiny are not related, but see each other as someone they lost. Krieg lost a child and Tina has no parents. Zane...fucking Zane. The dude probably gave up being assassin 1 because he wanted to be a vault hunter. He saw it as a way to get more money and kill who he wanted to kill. Maybe that mission saving zero, changed his prospective on somethings so he dropped his mantle has assassin 1 and decided to make a name for himself as a Vault hunter. That's why in the multi verse he still is the assassin 1
i'm fucking sick to death of that stupid theory. if it hasn't been officially canonized by now after 10 years as well as after a krieg dlc and entire tiny tina game then it's not canon and probably will never be
well... if that is true... why zero maintain his assassin name zero but also he becomes a vault hunter? so... if zane gave up being assassin one in order to become a vault hunter... why zero is a assassin AND a vault hunter? why zane couldn't be both like zero did?
@@Slayyyaphine Yeah, but I *do* think that Tina escaped from the same facility where Krieg was experimented on. *Especially* since in the Fustercluck DLC you can hear Benedict talk about wanting to experiment on some preschoolers.
One other possibility for the Zane Assassin One theory: It’s a joke. Zane would 100% be the type to pull that kinda trick, probably giggling to himself the whole time.
In reference to #5; There was a book released about the adventures of Brick and Mordicai in which the prolog has Marcus catching a group of orphans trying to rob his shop. He threatens to shoot them with a wave shotgun and the lead orphan asks that he aims for the head as the orphans parents were killed by such a gun that had cut them in half. Marcus was moved by the orphan's story and bravery that he decides to share a story with them. I would believe that these are the same children he is narrating to in the games.
the multiverse pack stated that it’s the timeline where the characters continued on their previous path and does so in such a way that it implies zane was already one before retiring
@@sawyerbarney4194 But if we use Flak's story and his skin in that pack then it would make sense that Zane already was the Assassin One because Flak was the Great Archivarius and then became a Vault Hunter.
Now I'm beginning to think the orphan's parents were vault hunters, at least one of them. That would be the most logical reason Marcus would care of a kid, obligation.
Remember also in borderlands you arrive in in a bus driven by Marcus with the other vault hunters. I believe you also arrive the same way in borderlands 2. So Marcus would look out for vault hunters. Maybe Marcus became close with a vault hunter and one of the vault hunters died and Marcus took him in prior to borderlands 1. I'd actually love to read a tie in novel that explains everything that happened prior to borderlands 1. That also includes what happened to Pandora. There obviously was a big ocean filled with giant sea creatures.
@@yoda908 bl2 begins with the vault hunters surviving a train explosion/crash caused by wilhelm on the orders of handsome jack, as far as I know. but I do think marcus has a soft spot for vault hunters, even if it just started out as him seeing them as an investment opportunity.
@@yoda908in borderlands 2 they’re fighting on a train, and handsome jack setup a dummy and blew the train up. They wake up in a frozen tundra greeted by claptrap
I think what made Krieg's theory more plausible to me was that in some lines during his raving retribution, it's inferred that the wife died since he states" I can't see her anymore" and how she screams while being tortured. However, while idle his inner voice (sane krieg) questions if "she" is alive or safe after getting away, implying there was two "shes" that he was aware of before going crazy, but one of them got away somehow.
I think that Zane *was* One, not in an alternate universe, but before he chose to retire, and went back to using his birth name publicly. The alternate universe was probably just the “what if??” universe where Zane kept the name “One” and never retired
The reason I believed Tina and Krieg are related is from 2 DLCs In the valentines headhunters pack, if you play as Krieg during the love potion scene. He’s describes someone that sounds like Maya and Tina. The other is in the torgue dlc. If you go to Tina’s trailer and look at the back you can see Tina riding on someone’s back. This person is missing an eye, similar to Krieg. Does this mean they are related, no. Do I still want it to be the case, yes
I swear they're teasing us on thinking that these two are related, despite having it "denied" that they are. Like why would he mention tiny Tina alongside with someone he felt so close with, like Maya? And then we see the same premise with the gold coins in his dlc? Boy if they won't drop the act in BL4, I'll riot
The quote is “THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO FOREVER AND EVER!” The tiny one: Tina The sad-faced mother: Kriegs wife (maybe?) Blue tattoo: Maya
did you know the open books you can come across in BL3 are actually the story Marcus is telling, word for word. even though the words are a bit pixelated
Been saying this. Behind all the goofyness and humor, there’s actually plenty of lore to dive in to. Not expanded like a game as World of Warcraft, but still interesting lore nonetheless. The Guardians and their intentions. What was the Watcher predicting? Why did the seer manipulate people to the point he wanted the Great Vault to he openend? All loose ends, but all shrouded in mystery, that’s why I like Borderlands; Mindless gun shooting at enemies and exploration of lost ECHO, Hunts, etc to reveal piece by piece what is/was going on. Lotta people ignore this fact, and indeed, only look at the flaws of the game rather then put some research in it.
@@Dvdh2903 For me it's the history of the corporate wars. We know there was a Corporate war when a "Central Government" collapsed. There's so much possibility there. Not to mention the connection of Sirens. What are they? If my theory I've had for awhile is correct, Sirens (or their powers) are from the same dimension as the destroyer, and that where so much connection to him comes from.
@@familialdysautosis2717 I’m active at the Borderlands FANDOM and posted there a potential game/plot for a future Borderlands game; Borderlands Origins. What if we, instead of following the story, we get a game that dives into the past. The Corporate wars. We can create our own Corporate “Soldier”. Instead of Vault hunters and their Action skills and powers, we can play as a corporate soldier with each manufacturer their own benefits, skill trees and Action skills. We will uncover the collapse, the first arrival on Pandora, wether it be by Dahl or Atlas or by being a spy inside one of those corporations to uncover the secrets Pandora and other planets hold (Beware of Dahl’s presence on nearly any planet) There’s so much potential for such a game. And enough replayability. You can choose and create a character from any Manufacturer and instead of a class, any manufacturer has their own Ability and skill ( so in Vault Hunter terms, Action Skill and Skill tree ) Been thinking about that lately. If they do it good, it could work extremely well.
@@familialdysautosis2717 Another one, since I expect no Origins game like that will come in the near future. But a potential plot for Borderlands 4 is a Siren class that can Phasewarp. Which means, the Siren can willingly travel between Dimensions, Future and past. Maybe after Borderlands 4 we need to travel back in time to corrwct a certain timeline. This timeline would be in the time the Corporate Collapse/War happend and the Borderlands: Origins Would play right after Borderlands 4. Just theories but so interesting to think about
It’s an old bit of info but one line i always remembered was kreig saying “martyr for my little one ” but not only does it reference his daughter but the line is triggered when the pull the pin skill is activated
I think Krieg fit better if he knew Tina parents before the experiment and was one of many families Fleshstick stole and Tina family was sadly just part of the deadly experiment. Krieg being a Uncle keeping this Girl alive.
Something to add on Tina and Krieg is it’s possible the decision to allude to her being his daughter, but still leave it open is an attempt by the Writers to put the player in Krieg’s emotional shoes. Just how for Krieg his family are always out of reach in his mind, never able to get them back, for us players the truth behind who they are (something fans clearly are interested in) is just out of reach also. The line just before the DR Benedict boss fight adds to this too “He called it a tea party” (paraphrased) given its connection to Tina’s Tea party and the possibility such a phrase may have a specific association for her its a clear choice to use it in this context but still isn’t definitive.
I wasn't aware of the "Earl is a siren" theory. But I'm all in into it. I mean, this dude can eat a whole car only with just a fork. Only a siren could do that if you ask me
Cool video, love this sort of stuff but I'm surprised the Marcus's story theory is considered a theory and not just straight up canon since that's what I thought they were going for with the narration
Honestly the keige one still makes sense to me He went on a mission to Hyperion and got captured Meanwhile Tina and his wife were undefended and flesh stick sold them out Then after that Sam 'saved him' and brought them together, of course with his mind likely breaking they became 'Samie' and well she broke him even more.
for Krieg the reason tina could be on the coin could just be that she's treated him nicely in The Wedding Day Massacre DLC Moxxi ask if there was ever a mister or missus vault hunter and Krieg's response is "THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO FOREVER AND EVER! " so it could just be cause she is similar to him or idk I'm just guessing
Marcus one about all the games being stories is actually really heartwarmingly cute, but again telling a child about bloodbath murdering quest as bedtime stories sure fitting the whole borderlands theme.
My favourite theory is that Davis Pickle kept a copy of the AI that Jack put in the constructor from the Pre-sequel. I really want to be able to play or at least see more of him in a future installment. Davis Pickle that is.
@@Poppa_CapinyoazJack alright had his ending in the story. The Calypsos are dead too so it's not like they're the main villains going forward. I hope they just make a new villain instead.
Nah, it's not weird that Zane wouldn't care about the others killing his relatives. The Flynt family's kinda nutty; trying to get eachother killed is just a greeting to them.
You can absolutely make a whole video on Tina being Kreig's daughter it's also def true. If you complete the special objective at the end of the tea party questline in bl2 Tina will say "I still love you"
Was about to say, what about the Seraph-Vendor? And iirc, there's some Echo or NPC stating that Crazy Earl eats the Eridium (or at least theorized about it). He also ate a Plane, with a Fork.
@@ArinyaXoriGMVs plus I'm pretty sure it's been stated that there are only FEMALE sirens ,with Troy being the only exception because he stole Maya's power
I love everything about borderlands specially the facts about the history of character and the mysteries I mean Borderlands is something unique and way more different than any other games
Don’t ever stop with borderlands videos.Your stuff is the absolute best out there I’ve watched with much joy and respect for years my friend.Keep up the amazing content.
I remember the description of the side quest “Schemin’ That Sabotage” from the first game mentions bandits selling Eridium on the Black Market (even though it’s spelled with an I). Maybe there was a way for people/Crazy Earl to harvest it before the Destroyer’s defeat
Could very well be that Eridium has always been part of Pandora, just buried very deeply with only a handful of pockets of it existing on a semi-surface level.
I think Marcus is telling the stories of the vault hunters to a future child of one of the vault hunters. And in the final game(if we ever get one), that child will be one of if not, the, main character tasked with winning/stopping the war that the watcher predicted. So the final game won’t be some old story Marcus tells, but one actually experienced.
Though the Krieg is Tina’s dad theory is cool, I don’t thinks it’s correct. It’s not the kinda thing gearbox would do and also it’s pretty obvious as seen in the different voices compared to the doctors orders audio logs and sane krieg’s voice are very different.
Honestly the Vault Hunters killing Zane's family members Zane probably sees that as a sign of friendship or something since Captain Flynt occasionally sent a group of bandits after Zane as a how are you doing.
Just to be aware when you made this theory you were also referencing the group of assassins from Generator Rex. 6 the father figure of Rex is the sixth deadliest man in the world and there's a whole episode about the group of assassins so yeah don't forget that this is also a reference
you might find this interesting but the zero number is also used to describe a connection to source on spiritual terms. There is a lot of T6, very very few T1 and can only be one T0 per universe.
personally i think zero getting sent the message of "one" isnt inherently another assasin of the same type, but a challenge because of what the number 0 symbolizes to him. maybe the writer could also be saying he got his "1" in the hunt for the vault
Crazy Earl being a siren is actually likely. It ties into my comment about how all sirens follow a theme with their powers all tieing to basic aspects like phaselocking sending things to the alternate plane, phasewalking is sending yourself to the alternate plane, astral projecting things from said plane, phaseshifting altering objects with influence of the plane, etc., in your sirens explained video. Earl could just be a siren with the power of transferrence. He becomes, or takes on the form of a singular thing from that plane, and needs eridium to keep up the disguise. In other words, Earl is both a siren and spying on the crimson raiders.
even more ludacris theory than the tina and krieg theory. if you watch the video you are referring to again, you might realize that absolutely none of the things we know about sirens fits with what we know about earl.. well.. with the exception of him wanting eridium. why does he want eridium? we dont know ( him wanting it for hs daughter as stated in this video here is based on... what exactly?no echo logs, no hints from Earl himself... nothing) sometimes characters only serve gameplay purposes.. and earl's purpose for the player is to get sdu upgrades/ cosmetics. as much as i want to Earl to be something more than just a black market vendor, your thesis ( not even a theory ) fails. he isnt a woman, he hasnt shown any signs of siren powers, and none of the sirens have noticed him. no offense btw.
@@bobrooney3336 it's almost like I accounted for that in my comment here and my comment in the other video. Ludicrous to think that if you just read my entire comment here you might have an idea of what I was talking about.
2:50 I think it’s actually mordecai for a few reasons. A: he was close, or had at least known zero for some time. B: the 1 could be in reference to the shooting competition that zero had lost, and mordecai had won. C: mordecai definitely had the skill to pull off the kill as well.
i have a theory about moonstones and why earl was collecting them to support the “crazy earl siren” theory. because it’s established that there’s a vault on elpis AND elpis itself is a vault key, what if moonstones are pieces of the moon that are super charged by eridian energy and maybe crazy earl thought he could use those to sustain his daughter-in-theory
While on the topic of theory 5, I saw a similar theory somewhere claiming that the game modes were actually variations of how the story was told: Normal Mode is a tale told through rumors by aspiring Vault Hunters claiming that a ragtag group of nobodies was able to topple down a powerful corporation and an alien monster with nothing but a dinky plastic gun and gimmicky combat skills. True Vault Hunter Mode is the one that actually recounts the tale of what actually happened given the power level you experience is still reasonable. Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode is actually the story Marcus is recounting given how everything feels grander and larger than life (Also probably why slag is so important in UVHM is because he's trying to advertise that slag weapons are THE number one choice for would-be vault hunters)
Theory: Marcus is telling the tales in past tense and when the Great War happens he’ll finally have caught up. It’s him explaining to someone how they got to where they are now.
One not touched upon: The Borderlands franchise takes place in the distant future of the Fallout franchise. Specifically, one of the long-term goals of Robert House is to colonize space. Borderlands is the result of that space program.
Imagine Borderlands 4 being told by another person which is the orphan there grown up. He grows up to become a serious yet sarcastic narrator guy sounding like the one in kurzgesagt videos. Or heck what if Gearbox really hires that guy for the role.
Theory: psychos are immortal. They're in debt to the respawn machine, they can only die when their debt is paid off. Since they respawn in debt, it also takes longer to respawn so they're stuck in limbo longer than the player, maybe even for hours or days.
i like the theory of it all being told over again, because a nice little add on to that theory can be roped in to explaining the gameplay, and in all the times you go through the game is just them telling the story a little differently. and I like that.
my only issue is that fl4k is a robot with ai but then again who’s to say zane’s family + zer0 weren’t biologically engineered and fl4k was the creator’s attempt at making life
I hope in the next main game expansion there's a complete out of left filed event or reveal. That'd be fun. Hopefully it's something no one would expect or think of but it's cool/exciting.
Here's one, The Destroyer is actually the good guy. And yes, is still alive inside its prison that is the planet pandora. Possibility? Less than .01 percent.
@@allanbaker3958 that would be cool. However that might skew the original Lovecraftian influence of Azathoth which is blind to the world and would end it if it woke up So the destroyer is basically Chaotic neutral
@@allanbaker3958 I think a lot of nerds would care about H.P. Lovecraft especially y’know the giant extremely important bit in his mythos Personally, the story is already a dumpster fire that it’s not like if they try implementing that twist would ruin it any more
For the Assassin 1 theory (IK I'm very late) My guess is that the Numerical Assassins is a program by 1 of the big weapon companies (My guess would be Maliwan) who are experimenting on Mercenaries who work for the company, those mercenaries all end up getting cybernetic enhancements and just general upgrades and training, and their name is simply based on when they got the enhancements, Zero was perhaps a test run who was successful, however One is the true first, being an actual Mercenary and Assassin, hence why we have never actually seen or heard from him besides when he jumps in to save Zero, of in which he chose to leave an echo log, which would be the only evidence that it was One who was there. As for the Zane part, easy. The multiverse pack states who they would have become if they didn't become a Vault Hunter, and so Zane would've ended up becoming One in this other universe, however since we've never seen Zane himself mention anything about the name One, or anything like Zero besides that interaction about the bar, its safe to assume Zane isn't One in this universe. Also they had different voices.
marcus does actually start to warm up to children in bl2 just a small bit in his headhunter dlc, it's not a lot but it's believable this is what snowballs him into telling stories to a child later on
*Enemy peons / bosses use revival stations which is why they always respawn. *Handsome Jack was able to one-shot Roland because Jack was overleveled. *Assassin 1 is alive in our verse. But in the alt-verse Zane killed #1 and took their title.
It would be sick if the next borderlands game started with "story times over" or something like that and you hopped right into the gameplay. New fans might not get it but lowkey that'd go hard af
I've been dreading this video because I KNEW it would have that krieg/Tina theory in it lol. That was my favorite bl2 theory that just didn't have enough evidence and I've seen so much art of the two that it's permanently engrained in my memory.
Axton was straight but a bug made him flirt with male characters so they made him bi. Tiny has an eye glitch so fans speculated it's a side effect of her broken sanity. Sooo yeah they can recon characters on a the fly like how Lilith get her ass handed to her by Tyreen when she should be able to flame broil Tyreen, I mean it's been said the main reason why the twins never bother to steal Amara's power is because they would get a siren fist to the face.
1. Lilith was sneak attacked, she was beating tyreen's ass until tyreen sneaked her, 2. Aston being bi was always in consideration until they decided to make it canon when that glitch was discovered
Let's not bring bl3s bad writing into this but yea I generally agree and like the retcons they made to due bugs. The lilith tyreen thing is just bad writing tbh.
i have a theory that FL4K, Zer0 and even possibly Zane and his family were created by someone (not specifically hyperion) FL4k is obviously made of machinery but Zane and Zer0 might be biologically engineered
Loved listening to this. honestly idk what it is but i feel like your videos are done i dont want to say better than others but more like youll find every little detail and throw it on the table and recap in an easy to comprehend timeline but you tell it in an interesting and captivating way. Love your vids man.
Krieg being tiny tina father can only happen if we learn what was the amount of time between tiny tina escape and the start of borderlands 2. Why we need to know this is because we need to know if krieg had enough time to escape from the slag experiments, become a renowned mercenary, get captured again, escapes again, and then borderlands 2 begin. If the time was a couple of years the theory works but if it was like couple of months the theory falls apart.
After the fustercluck dlc what I said can not be taken as true. The only way It can be true is if krieg came out sane after the slag experiments and then became insane after getting captured again.
Well he presents like Scrooge in the mercenary day DLC, I bet it was an orphan in that town. Coming around to his soft/caring side like the character growth seen in scrooge who then cares for the town
Cool vid I would like to see captain Scarlet as DLC for BL4 or maybe a student of Dr. Zed or Ted or their brother from BL1 the zombie DLC, and how many more BL will we get cause in the 3rd one Marcus starts off saying he’s old how old is unknown but he might be getting up in the years I can’t wait for the first BL4 trailer and I hope it’s soon.
Yeah I had heard the thing about the devs saying Krieg and Tina weren't related. But no matter what anyone says, it will always be my head canon. And if it wasn't there intention...IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. On the subject of Marcus...is that really a theory? I thought it was a given. Like, the whole point of those sections. All that aside, great video!
For 1. ...one.. w/e. For that theory, I think the assassin One was never actually signed as "one", but rather could just be trolling zero. I can totally see that. For the alternate universe thing, you mention he would become assassin one, but he could have very well been an operative by the codename one, and this what if, is just his logical promotion. It fits in line with every other character being promoted in their respective fields. Still think he just wanted to mess with a fellow Flynt, and do a little trolling along the way. The Krieg one. I think the reason he puts Tina on the coin is the same reason he puts Maya on them. He sees her like she was his daughter. Like a super dysfunctional game of house, he is the daddy, Maya the mommy, and Tina the baby. Then again I didn't play fustercluck so maybe I'm off. Earl's a weird one. He probably ate so much fuel and nitrous from one of scooters cars that he Taco Bell'd himself to the moon.
Tbh I wouldn't mind Borderlands going into a multiverse story as I just want an excuse for Jack to come back either it could be a version of him who won or a version of him that never went insane. Just to see how the Crimson Raiders would react to his return.
Time-warp to the past of the Corporate Wars and Downfall to prevent previous events and maybe even going back in time thus far to the point we meet the “Then still living” Eridians to ask for Knowledge and how to erase or rebuild a current timeline. A Siren could have these PhaseWarp powers. Idk still dope imo
@@xtensioncordtv1969 In the end of Tales, Rhys didn't destroy the chip right? So technically Holo Jack could come back by having a character who is a fan of him similar to Prof Nakayama who will do anything to bring him back.
@@kellogr2788 If I remember right it's left ambiguous because there are two endings. One where Rhys breaks the Holo Jack chip and one where he doesn't. If he didn't then Jack could reappear like you said or simply still be in his hologram form.
After Btps i hypothesized that Marcus was recounting before the war and that he's telling the story up to the events till then. But i just think it'd be cool if the end wasn't clear and Marcus was hunkered in sanctuary 3 explaining to a kid how things ended up the way they were
I still say a much better story line would have been Maya taking in Tina to be her protege, and her and Krieg working to help raise her, or Maya and Tina helping Krieg. It would have done away with Ava, and strengthen the player/fan connection with all three characters. It would have given Maya's death way more gravitas, too.
Now im thinking about how cool a siren Tina being playable would have been, just the idea of locking enemies in place to blow them to smithereens would actually be really cool
Here’s the thing… hes still the “operative” so he was most likely working for the same organization as Zero before the events of BL3. So he could still be considered “One” without being the futures master assassin “assassin one” but I think it’s almost confirmed by what we have seen
In relation to the Assassin One theory. Zane does mention his brothers at the end of the mission Hammerlocked, when Hammerlock asks what he thinks about "family," he points out they both tried having him killed, and then laughs about how he's the last one standing. I personally believe that, like with the other costumes, the Assassin One costume would be if he'd kept up his original job, and is more in reference to all of the cybernetic augmentations the suit may have provided him, and not really a new title. All the other costumes hint at that as well. Fl4k was an Archivist, but would have ascended to grand archivist, and Moze has the rank of Commissar in their costumes, but Amara's is a costume referencing her continued super hero activities, with a title she already had. I have two other theories personally, one being a joke, and the other having a bit more to it, just needing some more information. My joke theory is that Claptrap is the 6th Siren, and he accidentally inheirited Commandant Steele's powers, but we still don't know what they are. The more realistic one is that Jack accidentally gave Fl4k his sentience when he put out the update that gave all Hyperion bots a fear of death, this is because of the grand archivist skin, revealing his original maintained color sceme and what he looks like under his coat. Even with his original constume he resembled a Hyperion bot of some sort, but for confirmation on this, we'd need to know whether or not Fl4k's Sanctuary 3 Echo was made around the time of TPS.
I like the marcus theory. But i like to imagine hes talking to his guns and or money. The only things he really loves. The few times they talk back could be chalked up to a sentient gun that he acquired somewhow.
Dr. Benedict also refers to Krieg as "Subject 24C" in the Borderlands 3 DLC, while the ECHOlogs from Borderlands 2 shows that Tinas dad is "Test Subject 524"
This was a great video w/ some interesting theories. I always assumed Marcus was talking to his offspring w/ Moxxie, & the orphan comment was a term of endearment!😳
Theory: Marcus is breaking into random kid's homes to tell them this story when they are supposed to be sleeping.
Isn't he talking to an orphan?(it's in the voice line used in this video)
Theory extension: Marcus adopted the orphan to carry on the family business because he himself is sterile after generations of significant lead exposure.
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Maybe the reason both Maya and Tina are on the coins are becuase they are both replacements to Krieg for the wife and daughter he lost
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Would make sense but tbh I still feel like it's almost certain they are
Headcanon accepted
thats how i saw it as well
I remember one of the times when Marcus was telling his story the kid annoyed him and he says something like "You know your adopted right". I always took that to mean he was telling these stories to someone he was raising. After all he comes from a long line of merchants. Maybe he adopted an orphan to carry on the family business.
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A Mini-Marcus?
Sounds like a good idea for a quest chain in a future game.
Maybe he, or she would want to make and produce weapons rather than just selling them and would task you with "freeing up" buildings and structures filled with gangs and psychos.
The reward could be an increased amount of "on-sale" weapons in Marcus' store.
Scarlet dlc in bl2?
@@cheemsman5002 I forget which one it was. That's why I wasn't specific.
It was the Zombie Island of Doctor Ned from BL1. I remember the kid asking what a tree was
One rare voice line you can get from Mancubus after youve completed the Guns, Love and Tentacles is "you have a dark past and your future...well, beware of this Marcus fellow". This line of dialogue remains extremely overlooked and bizzarely teases a Marcus betrayal.
Maybe Mancubus asked for a refund?
when i first played bl 1 i thought marcus was gonna be the end boss
@@masterofhippos1395going in blind I was for sure suspicious of him with those partnership offers
I consider it a bit of betrayal from Marcus that for his own benefit sold weapons to the Bloodshots to fight againt the crimson raiders.
I mean he kinda already did by selling the bloodshots guns
If I remember correctly Zane mentions hating his brothers and being glad they died because they treated him like the runt of the litter
He also makes a joke abt his brothers constantly trying to kill him and him being the only surviving brother left
Exactly why Zane probably would thank the other VH's for saving him the hits he probably hated thinking about having to do himself cause they would have been personal.
He hates his brothers baron flynt and captain flynt?
@@garra123454 dont you hate them too?
@@lucasd.garces435 not really they are only doing bandit things
I believe krieg and tiny are not related, but see each other as someone they lost. Krieg lost a child and Tina has no parents.
Zane...fucking Zane. The dude probably gave up being assassin 1 because he wanted to be a vault hunter. He saw it as a way to get more money and kill who he wanted to kill. Maybe that mission saving zero, changed his prospective on somethings so he dropped his mantle has assassin 1 and decided to make a name for himself as a Vault hunter. That's why in the multi verse he still is the assassin 1
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i'm fucking sick to death of that stupid theory. if it hasn't been officially canonized by now after 10 years as well as after a krieg dlc and entire tiny tina game then it's not canon and probably will never be
well... if that is true... why zero maintain his assassin name zero but also he becomes a vault hunter? so... if zane gave up being assassin one in order to become a vault hunter... why zero is a assassin AND a vault hunter? why zane couldn't be both like zero did?
cuz I don't see why zane need to gave up if zero could be both... just don't have sense
@@Slayyyaphine Yeah, but I *do* think that Tina escaped from the same facility where Krieg was experimented on. *Especially* since in the Fustercluck DLC you can hear Benedict talk about wanting to experiment on some preschoolers.
One other possibility for the Zane Assassin One theory: It’s a joke. Zane would 100% be the type to pull that kinda trick, probably giggling to himself the whole time.
That is absolutely something he would do.
True Zane would do it just to screw with someone
In reference to #5; There was a book released about the adventures of Brick and Mordicai in which the prolog has Marcus catching a group of orphans trying to rob his shop. He threatens to shoot them with a wave shotgun and the lead orphan asks that he aims for the head as the orphans parents were killed by such a gun that had cut them in half. Marcus was moved by the orphan's story and bravery that he decides to share a story with them. I would believe that these are the same children he is narrating to in the games.
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What's the book called? Or are you referring got the borderlands comic books that were released?
@@yoda908 The book was a short novel. As to its name, I don't recall it was about 8 years ago that I read it.
Tina and kreig feel like it was a storyboard at one point but they switched it to make Roland's death more impactful and that's a hill I'll die on.
I have a shovel for this
I can dig it.
the multiverse pack stated that it’s the timeline where the characters continued on their previous path and does so in such a way that it implies zane was already one before retiring
it means he went on to BECOME one. meaning he wasnt one yet, and in this case wont ever be.
@@sawyerbarney4194 But if we use Flak's story and his skin in that pack then it would make sense that Zane already was the Assassin One because Flak was the Great Archivarius and then became a Vault Hunter.
Now I'm beginning to think the orphan's parents were vault hunters, at least one of them. That would be the most logical reason Marcus would care of a kid, obligation.
And so when they grow up, and inevitably get into a risky job just like their parents, he makes a boatload of cash. Now that's the Marcus we know.
Remember also in borderlands you arrive in in a bus driven by Marcus with the other vault hunters. I believe you also arrive the same way in borderlands 2. So Marcus would look out for vault hunters. Maybe Marcus became close with a vault hunter and one of the vault hunters died and Marcus took him in prior to borderlands 1. I'd actually love to read a tie in novel that explains everything that happened prior to borderlands 1. That also includes what happened to Pandora. There obviously was a big ocean filled with giant sea creatures.
@@yoda908 bl2 begins with the vault hunters surviving a train explosion/crash caused by wilhelm on the orders of handsome jack, as far as I know. but I do think marcus has a soft spot for vault hunters, even if it just started out as him seeing them as an investment opportunity.
@@yoda908in borderlands 2 they’re fighting on a train, and handsome jack setup a dummy and blew the train up. They wake up in a frozen tundra greeted by claptrap
I think what made Krieg's theory more plausible to me was that in some lines during his raving retribution, it's inferred that the wife died since he states" I can't see her anymore" and how she screams while being tortured. However, while idle his inner voice (sane krieg) questions if "she" is alive or safe after getting away, implying there was two "shes" that he was aware of before going crazy, but one of them got away somehow.
I think that Zane *was* One, not in an alternate universe, but before he chose to retire, and went back to using his birth name publicly. The alternate universe was probably just the “what if??” universe where Zane kept the name “One” and never retired
The reason I believed Tina and Krieg are related is from 2 DLCs
In the valentines headhunters pack, if you play as Krieg during the love potion scene. He’s describes someone that sounds like Maya and Tina.
The other is in the torgue dlc. If you go to Tina’s trailer and look at the back you can see Tina riding on someone’s back. This person is missing an eye, similar to Krieg.
Does this mean they are related, no.
Do I still want it to be the case, yes
I swear they're teasing us on thinking that these two are related, despite having it "denied" that they are. Like why would he mention tiny Tina alongside with someone he felt so close with, like Maya? And then we see the same premise with the gold coins in his dlc?
Boy if they won't drop the act in BL4, I'll riot
When Moxi ask’s Krieg if he loves someone hi says: “the Tiny one and the crying mother”, that’s confirmation right there.
@@alternator7893 who is the crying mother tho?
@@alternator7893 how is that confirmation at all though?
The quote is “THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO FOREVER AND EVER!”
The tiny one: Tina
The sad-faced mother: Kriegs wife (maybe?)
Blue tattoo: Maya
did you know the open books you can come across in BL3 are actually the story Marcus is telling, word for word. even though the words are a bit pixelated
Seriously??
That’s actually sick asf I never knew that
We need more Borderlands lore people. It's such a rich world if your able to look past the comedy
people only focus on the tiny flaws instead of the full picture
Been saying this. Behind all the goofyness and humor, there’s actually plenty of lore to dive in to. Not expanded like a game as World of Warcraft, but still interesting lore nonetheless. The Guardians and their intentions. What was the Watcher predicting? Why did the seer manipulate people to the point he wanted the Great Vault to he openend? All loose ends, but all shrouded in mystery, that’s why I like Borderlands; Mindless gun shooting at enemies and exploration of lost ECHO, Hunts, etc to reveal piece by piece what is/was going on. Lotta people ignore this fact, and indeed, only look at the flaws of the game rather then put some research in it.
@@Dvdh2903 For me it's the history of the corporate wars. We know there was a Corporate war when a "Central Government" collapsed. There's so much possibility there. Not to mention the connection of Sirens. What are they? If my theory I've had for awhile is correct, Sirens (or their powers) are from the same dimension as the destroyer, and that where so much connection to him comes from.
@@familialdysautosis2717 I’m active at the Borderlands FANDOM and posted there a potential game/plot for a future Borderlands game; Borderlands Origins.
What if we, instead of following the story, we get a game that dives into the past. The Corporate wars. We can create our own Corporate “Soldier”. Instead of Vault hunters and their Action skills and powers, we can play as a corporate soldier with each manufacturer their own benefits, skill trees and Action skills.
We will uncover the collapse, the first arrival on Pandora, wether it be by Dahl or Atlas or by being a spy inside one of those corporations to uncover the secrets Pandora and other planets hold (Beware of Dahl’s presence on nearly any planet)
There’s so much potential for such a game. And enough replayability. You can choose and create a character from any Manufacturer and instead of a class, any manufacturer has their own Ability and skill ( so in Vault Hunter terms, Action Skill and Skill tree )
Been thinking about that lately. If they do it good, it could work extremely well.
@@familialdysautosis2717 Another one, since I expect no Origins game like that will come in the near future. But a potential plot for Borderlands 4 is a Siren class that can Phasewarp. Which means, the Siren can willingly travel between Dimensions, Future and past. Maybe after Borderlands 4 we need to travel back in time to corrwct a certain timeline. This timeline would be in the time the Corporate Collapse/War happend and the Borderlands: Origins Would play right after Borderlands 4. Just theories but so interesting to think about
It’s an old bit of info but one line i always remembered was kreig saying “martyr for my little one ” but not only does it reference his daughter but the line is triggered when the pull the pin skill is activated
I think Krieg fit better if he knew Tina parents before the experiment and was one of many families Fleshstick stole and Tina family was sadly just part of the deadly experiment. Krieg being a Uncle keeping this Girl alive.
I believe Zane does state in game that he and his brothers didn't get along due to them being bandits and him not following the "family business"
Zane would be the most dangerous bandit of the Flynt family
Something to add on Tina and Krieg is it’s possible the decision to allude to her being his daughter, but still leave it open is an attempt by the Writers to put the player in Krieg’s emotional shoes. Just how for Krieg his family are always out of reach in his mind, never able to get them back, for us players the truth behind who they are (something fans clearly are interested in) is just out of reach also.
The line just before the DR Benedict boss fight adds to this too “He called it a tea party” (paraphrased) given its connection to Tina’s Tea party and the possibility such a phrase may have a specific association for her its a clear choice to use it in this context but still isn’t definitive.
I think zane does mention that he and his brothers didn’t agree on life paths, I swear I heard zane say eh fuck it
I wasn't aware of the "Earl is a siren" theory. But I'm all in into it. I mean, this dude can eat a whole car only with just a fork. Only a siren could do that if you ask me
In the Borderlands Website Zane is described as a "semi-retired corporate hitman" meaning him being Assassin One is just him before he retired
Cool video, love this sort of stuff but I'm surprised the Marcus's story theory is considered a theory and not just straight up canon since that's what I thought they were going for with the narration
holy shit it’s the mida multi tool
Yeah fr. It's not a theory it's literally how it's portrayed in the game.
Honestly the keige one still makes sense to me
He went on a mission to Hyperion and got captured
Meanwhile Tina and his wife were undefended and flesh stick sold them out
Then after that Sam 'saved him' and brought them together, of course with his mind likely breaking they became 'Samie' and well she broke him even more.
I was thinking the same, once the merc was out of they way, they grabbed his family
for Krieg the reason tina could be on the coin could just be that she's treated him nicely in The Wedding Day Massacre DLC Moxxi ask if there was ever a mister or missus vault hunter and Krieg's response is "THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO FOREVER AND EVER! " so it could just be cause she is similar to him or idk I'm just guessing
Marcus one about all the games being stories is actually really heartwarmingly cute, but again telling a child about bloodbath murdering quest as bedtime stories sure fitting the whole borderlands theme.
Borderlands is truly the best anime.
Yeah, fuck Evangelion, this is top tier writing. Specially Borderlands 3
Borderlands is the only anime I will watch
My favourite theory is that Davis Pickle kept a copy of the AI that Jack put in the constructor from the Pre-sequel.
I really want to be able to play or at least see more of him in a future installment.
Davis Pickle that is.
This franchise needs Jack. The Calypsos were pathetic teenage dreck.
@@Poppa_CapinyoazJack alright had his ending in the story. The Calypsos are dead too so it's not like they're the main villains going forward. I hope they just make a new villain instead.
Nah, it's not weird that Zane wouldn't care about the others killing his relatives.
The Flynt family's kinda nutty; trying to get eachother killed is just a greeting to them.
You can absolutely make a whole video on Tina being Kreig's daughter it's also def true. If you complete the special objective at the end of the tea party questline in bl2 Tina will say "I still love you"
she says that to all the vault hunters IIRC
Tbh, I always assumed Crazy Earl was a Seraph.
Was about to say, what about the Seraph-Vendor?
And iirc, there's some Echo or NPC stating that Crazy Earl eats the Eridium (or at least theorized about it). He also ate a Plane, with a Fork.
Another crazy theory that I've seen people cling to is Rhys Strongfork secretly being a siren.
Okay,that is just straight up fan fiction
@@umairashraf5167 ikr but I've argued with people that swore it was gospel truth lol
@@ArinyaXoriGMVs what evidence do they have?
@@umairashraf5167 His tattoos. That's it. They don't even look like siren tattoos.
@@ArinyaXoriGMVs plus I'm pretty sure it's been stated that there are only FEMALE sirens ,with Troy being the only exception because he stole Maya's power
I love everything about borderlands specially the facts about the history of character and the mysteries I mean Borderlands is something unique and way more different than any other games
Don’t ever stop with borderlands videos.Your stuff is the absolute best out there I’ve watched with much joy and respect for years my friend.Keep up the amazing content.
I remember the description of the side quest “Schemin’ That Sabotage” from the first game mentions bandits selling Eridium on the Black Market (even though it’s spelled with an I). Maybe there was a way for people/Crazy Earl to harvest it before the Destroyer’s defeat
Could very well be that Eridium has always been part of Pandora, just buried very deeply with only a handful of pockets of it existing on a semi-surface level.
The Zane brothers does actually make sense as zane has a voiceline explaining how his brothers tried to kill him in the story
I think Marcus is telling the stories of the vault hunters to a future child of one of the vault hunters. And in the final game(if we ever get one), that child will be one of if not, the, main character tasked with winning/stopping the war that the watcher predicted. So the final game won’t be some old story Marcus tells, but one actually experienced.
Though the Krieg is Tina’s dad theory is cool, I don’t thinks it’s correct. It’s not the kinda thing gearbox would do and also it’s pretty obvious as seen in the different voices compared to the doctors orders audio logs and sane krieg’s voice are very different.
Honestly the Vault Hunters killing Zane's family members Zane probably sees that as a sign of friendship or something since Captain Flynt occasionally sent a group of bandits after Zane as a how are you doing.
Just to be aware when you made this theory you were also referencing the group of assassins from Generator Rex. 6 the father figure of Rex is the sixth deadliest man in the world and there's a whole episode about the group of assassins so yeah don't forget that this is also a reference
We need an expansion to the lore like runeterra man i NEED IT JUST A SNIFF COME ON
you might find this interesting but the zero number is also used to describe a connection to source on spiritual terms.
There is a lot of T6, very very few T1 and can only be one T0 per universe.
Well what a great time to hop on TH-cam
Even greedy profit mongers can become softer when they are old and lonely
personally i think zero getting sent the message of "one" isnt inherently another assasin of the same type, but a challenge because of what the number 0 symbolizes to him. maybe the writer could also be saying he got his "1" in the hunt for the vault
Crazy Earl being a siren is actually likely. It ties into my comment about how all sirens follow a theme with their powers all tieing to basic aspects like phaselocking sending things to the alternate plane, phasewalking is sending yourself to the alternate plane, astral projecting things from said plane, phaseshifting altering objects with influence of the plane, etc., in your sirens explained video.
Earl could just be a siren with the power of transferrence. He becomes, or takes on the form of a singular thing from that plane, and needs eridium to keep up the disguise. In other words, Earl is both a siren and spying on the crimson raiders.
even more ludacris theory than the tina and krieg theory. if you watch the video you are referring to again, you might realize that absolutely none of the things we know about sirens fits with what we know about earl.. well.. with the exception of him wanting eridium. why does he want eridium? we dont know ( him wanting it for hs daughter as stated in this video here is based on... what exactly?no echo logs, no hints from Earl himself... nothing) sometimes characters only serve gameplay purposes.. and earl's purpose for the player is to get sdu upgrades/ cosmetics. as much as i want to Earl to be something more than just a black market vendor, your thesis ( not even a theory ) fails. he isnt a woman, he hasnt shown any signs of siren powers, and none of the sirens have noticed him.
no offense btw.
@@bobrooney3336 it's almost like I accounted for that in my comment here and my comment in the other video. Ludicrous to think that if you just read my entire comment here you might have an idea of what I was talking about.
Wow those theories are CRAZY
2:50 I think it’s actually mordecai for a few reasons. A: he was close, or had at least known zero for some time. B: the 1 could be in reference to the shooting competition that zero had lost, and mordecai had won. C: mordecai definitely had the skill to pull off the kill as well.
i have a theory about moonstones and why earl was collecting them to support the “crazy earl siren” theory. because it’s established that there’s a vault on elpis AND elpis itself is a vault key, what if moonstones are pieces of the moon that are super charged by eridian energy and maybe crazy earl thought he could use those to sustain his daughter-in-theory
and on what established facts within the the borderlands universe would you base that on ?
While on the topic of theory 5, I saw a similar theory somewhere claiming that the game modes were actually variations of how the story was told:
Normal Mode is a tale told through rumors by aspiring Vault Hunters claiming that a ragtag group of nobodies was able to topple down a powerful corporation and an alien monster with nothing but a dinky plastic gun and gimmicky combat skills.
True Vault Hunter Mode is the one that actually recounts the tale of what actually happened given the power level you experience is still reasonable.
Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode is actually the story Marcus is recounting given how everything feels grander and larger than life (Also probably why slag is so important in UVHM is because he's trying to advertise that slag weapons are THE number one choice for would-be vault hunters)
Theory: Marcus is telling the tales in past tense and when the Great War happens he’ll finally have caught up. It’s him explaining to someone how they got to where they are now.
Also kreig says "Love for my little one" sometimes when he dies
Zane’s assassin skin is so cool, makes me really wish this game was third person sometimes….
The Zayn log that is found on sanctuary 3 is my favorite thing about Borderlands 3.
One not touched upon:
The Borderlands franchise takes place in the distant future of the Fallout franchise. Specifically, one of the long-term goals of Robert House is to colonize space. Borderlands is the result of that space program.
Imagine Borderlands 4 being told by another person which is the orphan there grown up. He grows up to become a serious yet sarcastic narrator guy sounding like the one in kurzgesagt videos. Or heck what if Gearbox really hires that guy for the role.
Theory: psychos are immortal. They're in debt to the respawn machine, they can only die when their debt is paid off. Since they respawn in debt, it also takes longer to respawn so they're stuck in limbo longer than the player, maybe even for hours or days.
"...or the stories were just stupid?"
It's about Borderlands you're talking. That ship sailed at the start.
i like the theory of it all being told over again, because a nice little add on to that theory can be roped in to explaining the gameplay, and in all the times you go through the game is just them telling the story a little differently. and I like that.
Zero- the greatest assassin
One- (Zane unconfirmed)
Three- (unknown)
Four- (Fl4k probably because there’s a number 4 in his name)
my only issue is that fl4k is a robot with ai
but then again who’s to say zane’s family + zer0 weren’t biologically engineered and fl4k was the creator’s attempt at making life
3 is now Loui3
I hope in the next main game expansion there's a complete out of left filed event or reveal. That'd be fun. Hopefully it's something no one would expect or think of but it's cool/exciting.
Here's one, The Destroyer is actually the good guy. And yes, is still alive inside its prison that is the planet pandora. Possibility? Less than .01 percent.
@@allanbaker3958 that would be cool. However that might skew the original Lovecraftian influence of Azathoth which is blind to the world and would end it if it woke up
So the destroyer is basically Chaotic neutral
@@Handlelesswithme, And how many people know or even care about the original influence?
@@allanbaker3958 I think a lot of nerds would care about H.P. Lovecraft especially y’know the giant extremely important bit in his mythos
Personally, the story is already a dumpster fire that it’s not like if they try implementing that twist would ruin it any more
i think marcus is a time traveler because in the first game he says im sure we'll be doing this all again soon enough
For the Assassin 1 theory (IK I'm very late)
My guess is that the Numerical Assassins is a program by 1 of the big weapon companies (My guess would be Maliwan) who are experimenting on Mercenaries who work for the company, those mercenaries all end up getting cybernetic enhancements and just general upgrades and training, and their name is simply based on when they got the enhancements, Zero was perhaps a test run who was successful, however One is the true first, being an actual Mercenary and Assassin, hence why we have never actually seen or heard from him besides when he jumps in to save Zero, of in which he chose to leave an echo log, which would be the only evidence that it was One who was there. As for the Zane part, easy.
The multiverse pack states who they would have become if they didn't become a Vault Hunter, and so Zane would've ended up becoming One in this other universe, however since we've never seen Zane himself mention anything about the name One, or anything like Zero besides that interaction about the bar, its safe to assume Zane isn't One in this universe. Also they had different voices.
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marcus does actually start to warm up to children in bl2 just a small bit in his headhunter dlc, it's not a lot but it's believable this is what snowballs him into telling stories to a child later on
I’ve been watching your content for a few years and the quality gets better and better don’t stop making amazing content
"one" is assassin oney. he probably calls himself one or something.
*Enemy peons / bosses use revival stations which is why they always respawn.
*Handsome Jack was able to one-shot Roland because Jack was overleveled.
*Assassin 1 is alive in our verse. But in the alt-verse Zane killed #1 and took their title.
It would be sick if the next borderlands game started with "story times over" or something like that and you hopped right into the gameplay. New fans might not get it but lowkey that'd go hard af
I've been dreading this video because I KNEW it would have that krieg/Tina theory in it lol. That was my favorite bl2 theory that just didn't have enough evidence and I've seen so much art of the two that it's permanently engrained in my memory.
Krieg being Tina’s dad is probably one of the craziest yet most popular theories that might just work
i hope it turn into cannon, not that it would change gameplay but it would be fun
Would be fun to play as Scarlet in Fourterlands
Marcus’s bean burritos are the reason people came to pandora
Axton was straight but a bug made him flirt with male characters so they made him bi.
Tiny has an eye glitch so fans speculated it's a side effect of her broken sanity.
Sooo yeah they can recon characters on a the fly like how Lilith get her ass handed to her by Tyreen when she should be able to flame broil Tyreen, I mean it's been said the main reason why the twins never bother to steal Amara's power is because they would get a siren fist to the face.
1. Lilith was sneak attacked, she was beating tyreen's ass until tyreen sneaked her, 2. Aston being bi was always in consideration until they decided to make it canon when that glitch was discovered
@@kysdie9979 no he wasnt? it was the bug and they said it too. theres Q and As stating it in plan day
Let's not bring bl3s bad writing into this but yea I generally agree and like the retcons they made to due bugs.
The lilith tyreen thing is just bad writing tbh.
i have a theory that FL4K, Zer0 and even possibly Zane and his family were created by someone (not specifically hyperion)
FL4k is obviously made of machinery but Zane and Zer0 might be biologically engineered
Loved listening to this. honestly idk what it is but i feel like your videos are done i dont want to say better than others but more like youll find every little detail and throw it on the table and recap in an easy to comprehend timeline but you tell it in an interesting and captivating way. Love your vids man.
Krieg being tiny tina father can only happen if we learn what was the amount of time between tiny tina escape and the start of borderlands 2. Why we need to know this is because we need to know if krieg had enough time to escape from the slag experiments, become a renowned mercenary, get captured again, escapes again, and then borderlands 2 begin. If the time was a couple of years the theory works but if it was like couple of months the theory falls apart.
After the fustercluck dlc what I said can not be taken as true. The only way It can be true is if krieg came out sane after the slag experiments and then became insane after getting captured again.
Well he presents like Scrooge in the mercenary day DLC, I bet it was an orphan in that town. Coming around to his soft/caring side like the character growth seen in scrooge who then cares for the town
I thought that Earl was somehow related to Eridians or Sirens with his obsession eridium
Amazing to see the channel is back up dude!!’
Im still on the theory that Maya isn't dead, she just transferred herself into the book, and im sticking to that theory till I fucking die.
Isn't she still technically alive but only inside kriegs mind now?
@@umairashraf5167 I think so?
Cool vid I would like to see captain Scarlet as DLC for BL4 or maybe a student of Dr. Zed or Ted or their brother from BL1 the zombie DLC, and how many more BL will we get cause in the 3rd one Marcus starts off saying he’s old how old is unknown but he might be getting up in the years I can’t wait for the first BL4 trailer and I hope it’s soon.
Yeah I had heard the thing about the devs saying Krieg and Tina weren't related. But no matter what anyone says, it will always be my head canon. And if it wasn't there intention...IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
On the subject of Marcus...is that really a theory? I thought it was a given. Like, the whole point of those sections.
All that aside, great video!
zero. and one Screams a reference to Binary. to me I don't think its deeper than that
I like the Krieg theory.
marcus is a dissociated personality of crazy earl telling stories to his dead/alive child
For 1. ...one.. w/e. For that theory, I think the assassin One was never actually signed as "one", but rather could just be trolling zero. I can totally see that.
For the alternate universe thing, you mention he would become assassin one, but he could have very well been an operative by the codename one, and this what if, is just his logical promotion.
It fits in line with every other character being promoted in their respective fields.
Still think he just wanted to mess with a fellow Flynt, and do a little trolling along the way.
The Krieg one. I think the reason he puts Tina on the coin is the same reason he puts Maya on them. He sees her like she was his daughter. Like a super dysfunctional game of house, he is the daddy, Maya the mommy, and Tina the baby. Then again I didn't play fustercluck so maybe I'm off.
Earl's a weird one. He probably ate so much fuel and nitrous from one of scooters cars that he Taco Bell'd himself to the moon.
Tbh I wouldn't mind Borderlands going into a multiverse story as I just want an excuse for Jack to come back either it could be a version of him who won or a version of him that never went insane. Just to see how the Crimson Raiders would react to his return.
Jack can still come back, imo more naturally, through the Tales From the Borderlands 1 ambigious ending although he'd only be a hologram.
@@xtensioncordtv1969 Robo-Jack would be pretty based can't lie
Time-warp to the past of the Corporate Wars and Downfall to prevent previous events and maybe even going back in time thus far to the point we meet the “Then still living” Eridians to ask for Knowledge and how to erase or rebuild a current timeline. A Siren could have these PhaseWarp powers. Idk still dope imo
@@xtensioncordtv1969 In the end of Tales, Rhys didn't destroy the chip right? So technically Holo Jack could come back by having a character who is a fan of him similar to Prof Nakayama who will do anything to bring him back.
@@kellogr2788 If I remember right it's left ambiguous because there are two endings. One where Rhys breaks the Holo Jack chip and one where he doesn't. If he didn't then Jack could reappear like you said or simply still be in his hologram form.
love your videos eruption
After Btps i hypothesized that Marcus was recounting before the war and that he's telling the story up to the events till then. But i just think it'd be cool if the end wasn't clear and Marcus was hunkered in sanctuary 3 explaining to a kid how things ended up the way they were
*Flesh-Stick could have tipped off Hyperion about the mercenary mission Krieg was assigned to where he got captured.*
I still say a much better story line would have been Maya taking in Tina to be her protege, and her and Krieg working to help raise her, or Maya and Tina helping Krieg. It would have done away with Ava, and strengthen the player/fan connection with all three characters. It would have given Maya's death way more gravitas, too.
Now im thinking about how cool a siren Tina being playable would have been, just the idea of locking enemies in place to blow them to smithereens would actually be really cool
Here’s the thing… hes still the “operative” so he was most likely working for the same organization as Zero before the events of BL3. So he could still be considered “One” without being the futures master assassin “assassin one” but I think it’s almost confirmed by what we have seen
Imagine a borderlands game where in the beginning, Marcus isn't the one narrating anymore
Does he narrate wonderlands?
I think his stories to the orphan end up preparing the orphan to be the main protagonist in the upcoming war that the watcher predicted
In relation to the Assassin One theory. Zane does mention his brothers at the end of the mission Hammerlocked, when Hammerlock asks what he thinks about "family," he points out they both tried having him killed, and then laughs about how he's the last one standing. I personally believe that, like with the other costumes, the Assassin One costume would be if he'd kept up his original job, and is more in reference to all of the cybernetic augmentations the suit may have provided him, and not really a new title. All the other costumes hint at that as well. Fl4k was an Archivist, but would have ascended to grand archivist, and Moze has the rank of Commissar in their costumes, but Amara's is a costume referencing her continued super hero activities, with a title she already had.
I have two other theories personally, one being a joke, and the other having a bit more to it, just needing some more information.
My joke theory is that Claptrap is the 6th Siren, and he accidentally inheirited Commandant Steele's powers, but we still don't know what they are.
The more realistic one is that Jack accidentally gave Fl4k his sentience when he put out the update that gave all Hyperion bots a fear of death, this is because of the grand archivist skin, revealing his original maintained color sceme and what he looks like under his coat. Even with his original constume he resembled a Hyperion bot of some sort, but for confirmation on this, we'd need to know whether or not Fl4k's Sanctuary 3 Echo was made around the time of TPS.
I like the marcus theory. But i like to imagine hes talking to his guns and or money. The only things he really loves. The few times they talk back could be chalked up to a sentient gun that he acquired somewhow.
Dr. Benedict also refers to Krieg as "Subject 24C" in the Borderlands 3 DLC, while the ECHOlogs from Borderlands 2 shows that Tinas dad is "Test Subject 524"
It’s possible that Zane was assassin one before he became a vault hunter. He did say he left the assassin business to avoid paperwork.
This was a great video w/ some interesting theories. I always assumed Marcus was talking to his offspring w/ Moxxie, & the orphan comment was a term of endearment!😳