Jose Rosales She* is. She's not making a lot of sense about LGBT rights but she still doesn't deserve to be misgendered. Calling people the right gender isn't a privilege you can take away
Harry Pjotr So she must agree in everything you brainwashed ppl thinks?? woow that shows your tolerance and freedom of speech. besides she is not against gay marriage, as she clearly said.
So she's a transgender woman who likes other women, therefore a lesbian, telling another lesbian she doesn't agree with gay/lesbian marriage? What? The hypocrisy.
He is a man that is obsessed with woman so much he felt like he needed to look like one. He considers himself a woman as in the word but he knows he is and always will be a man. I would say he is complete opposite of gays and even more straight than most straight men. Straight men look at themselves in the mirror and see a man with manly features Jenner looks at himself in the mirror and sees tits and female like features. Lol
Wait what lol? Advocate for LGBTQ, but is just “OK” with gay marriage? What lol? Also, if she dated women AS A WOMAN that would make her a lesbian, yes?
“If the word marriage is really important to you” That’s the damn word! Why would it not be important? Does marriage mean nothing for gay couples? Caitlynn is tripping.
Marriage is just another way for the government to get some extra cash in exchange for some papers that literally mean nothing. And then you gotta' pay for some more papers when you get so tired of one another you want a divorce.
But she does accept it. Why can't she be trans AND traditional? Maybe she likes traditions like trans Christmas and opening gifts in the morning, or getting a certain type of food on a certain holiday.... those are TRADITIONS and MANY LGBTQ people STILL FOLLOW TRADITIONS... doesn't name them any less lgbtq.... why can't caitlyn be both wtf
Princess Sindy she doesn’t accept it. if she accepted it she wouldn’t have said any of this. you’d think she would understand just how hard these people suffer to be given equal rights, you’d think she’d understand it more than most like on a personal level. but i guess not.
@Greg LeJacques #PostRoe Your specific "rights" are next, we stacked the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. Clarence Thomas orchestrated the DESTRUCTION of Roe v Wade and you lgblt nutjobs couldn't stop us. We're already close to TAKING AWAY your personal token rights, and you're still totally clueless 😆 🤣 😂 I'm sorry your family disowned you and made you so angry. Sad.
I agree. Catilyn was telling how she felt in the past and now the present. I think it was fine for her to share the way she felt. She said it took time to get onboard. Nothing wrong with that. Many people have to process new information to become comfortable with it. I think its good she told the truth.
That wasn't an attack, she was talking about how just because she changes how she's perceived now to reflect who she is, she is still the same person; that is the actual journey of a trans person. And therefore it was hard for Ellen to grasp how she felt about gay marriage now and was basically asking if that had changed.
@@emilybillybobsenior8934 if she felt that she has always been a woman, and has only had sexual and emotional relations with women, then she herself is a lesbian woman. Her beliefs are not aligning it makes no sense … i am lesbian myself and fully support trans … and cannot make sense of her logic
@@AB-pc2iu I do acknowledge that she herself holds conflicting ideas on gay marriage given her personal circumstances. Considering this, it looks like she values her personal religious beliefs but is also struggling with truthfully pursuing her own identity and has personal conflict connecting the two. I am dating a trans woman who acknowledges that she is lesbian in truth, but she does not have an additional religious factor that conflicts with this to cause internal struggles between who you are and a value that tells you not to be this way. But of course, neither being trans or being homosexual are things we choose. I hope she is able to work through this and live happily. It's harder to do that when the outside wants to pick it apart.
@@emilybillybobsenior8934 I agree with everything you said. one part that struck me is when you say “i hope she works through that and lives happily, it’s harder to do that when the outside wants to pick it apart” i’m having a hard time empathizing for her when she spent her entire life being the “outsider picking apart” lesbians and gays who were only “working through it” and trying to “live happy”
Can you guys listen she said fifteen years ago I would’ve called myself a traditionalist but as time goes on and I am who I am now I wouldn’t stand in the way of someone’s happiness, not exact words but along those lines I’m not watching it again 😂 but pay attention guys
so can someone plz fill me in ? From what I understand robert Kardashian is their real father who was oj's lawyer, and at this point I'm just guessing but robert died and Bruce married his widow wife ?
Hayley Maree so your saying language doesn't evolve with time? also i best tell my mate who had a stroke to stop telling people like myself I'll have a stroke then and i best stop telling them they'll have another lol. and yes you are being self righteous. and uneducated well I must have some education as english is my second language . retarded dated, offensive less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age. ‘the child is badly retarded’ ‘they're treated as if they're mentally retarded’ ‘perhaps I'm emotionally retarded’ 1.1informal Very foolish or stupid. ‘in retrospect, it was a totally retarded idea’ Usage In the sense ‘less advanced in development than is usual for one's age’, retarded dates from the late 19th century. It has acquired offensive connotations in recent decades, and terms such as developmentally disabled or having intellectual disabilities are now preferred. hmm looks like words definitions and use change. maybe use a dictionary.
Traditionalist my ass Caitlyn, native peoples didn’t have a gender preference, we married who we loved, it’s a religious aspect that only a man and woman can marry, I don’t care what narrow minded people say
AMEN ELLEN “equality is equality.” It can’t apply to some groups and not others 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 it’s so hard to hear people talk the way Caitlyn is- I can’t believe it’s still going on in 2018.
clarification: caitlyn jenner actually wanted to talk about this she called ellen in advance and asked her to talk to talk about this and ellen turned it around on her and made her look like a homophobic. but i don’t really think she is. she said she used to be against it but now she’s on board with it..
I mean yeah she said she’s on board with it, but to me, it seemed like she was being hesitant about choosing her words to only seem not homophobic. Especially around 1:10. She basically said I don’t support you, but if it means THAT much to you then fine, I’ll deal with it since it’s your life, but I still don’t support it. That’s how I saw it.
She was saying when the movement for same sex marriage equality came out because of her views she was initially against but as time progressed so did she. She is literally saying she evolved her opinions and realized she “ doesn’t want to stand in the way of anyone’s happiness” and she was saying I’m Republican but I am also for same sex marriage.
I honestly don’t understand everyone’s confusion about Caitlin’s views. She grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation. Twice or three times removed from most of you commenting right now. She had just come out as a trans person during the time of this interview. She took so long because of her views growing up and her generation’s old fashioned beliefs. You can’t expect someone to become “woke” overnight. Yes, she’s trans but she is slowly coming into understanding about everything that that means. She made the acceptance to same-sex marriage and she was being authentically vulnerable with Ellen about what a journey that was for her. Instead of ridiculing her, why not praise her for the leaps and bounds she has made into being a progressive person despite her age, generation, and political background. Wow. Most of you have no compassion on this thread and yet you accuse Caitlin of being hypocritical? That is hypocrisy! Disgusting. Do better.
Can't see any disrespect here from what Caitlin said... She said she didn't like the idea but won't stand in the way of happiness and also has got on board with the idea. So what.
Idk why people are just focusing on what she said about not believing in gay marriage 15 YEARS AGO...and then how she said she changed her mind about that and she doesnt want to support a movement that took away people’s happiness. And im not even a fan of Caitlyn, but she admitted shes weong about her thinking i can see why people would be mad with her mindset that she had 15 years ago but she changed her mind which is the most important thing.
"If that word 'marriage' is really that important to YOU..." -Caitlyn Jenner on Ellen Think on this quote people! Let the obvious implications, of CJ differentiating "herself" (as a supposed life long lesbian) from Ellen, sink in
@greglejacques1094 Um, no. Jenner is an autogynophile (sp?). A straight, biological man, who happens to be politically conservative, and also happens to be living in a time when their fetish (AGP, crossdressing with sexual arousal element at the idea of embodying a woman's body) is praised and monetized. The percentage of trans women who are agp men is a known "inconvenient truth" in academia. Around half of trans women are autogynophilic men. The actual percentage of "true trans" is exceedingly rare and EXCLUSIVELY affects a tiny minority of biological men. LGB Alliance has been created, bc of course, lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals (and also, adolescent girls) are the ones getting fckd and no one cares. Typical.
@greglejacques1094 Not an assumption. Gender dysphoria (the "T" in LGBT) was in the DSM for half a century! It was known to be one of the rarest mental disorders that almost exclusively affected men, but with one of the highest rates of suicidal ideation (higher than schizophrenia!) Like anorexia, gender dysphoria is a mental illness made trend. Unlike anorexia (which happened organically,) gender dysphoria is a mental illness that has been turned into a trend. You think it's a "coincidence" that gender affirming care is the raking in the cash for Big Pharma?
@greglejacques1094 Also, I halfway wish I was assuming. Ignorance is bliss. But ppl are dying. Whether it's crack in the hood in the 80's, pills in Appalachia in the early 00's or cross sex hormones now, Big Pharma is the god and the government, and they laugh all the way to their Swiss banks
@greglejacques1094 Get to root of who and what (entities) create and exacerbate pain for profit. Most mental illness is a reflection of a sick society. Teach self love and ego death (to the degree to which the ego is personally unhealthy) on as impactful a scale as you can reach, but starting with yourself. If we all do our part to try to elevate beyond this matrix of pain and suffering, then a chain reaction will occur; people will be inspired. Maybe that was too big picture, but the big picture is the problem. Turn off the Kardashians, fear- porn news, and disconnect from any social media that promotes unhealthy beauty standards. It doesn't matter if it's "real boys play football," or "boys wear dresses," or "boys can be girls" (which reinforces the patriarchy, btw) bc it's all marketing based on keeping everyone unhappy with themselves, and that's just one example. To help, we need to do our part to unhook from this matrix by starting with ourselves; worthiness that cannot be bought (including pharmaceuticals) and self love that is not contingent on anything external.
Honestly I don’t think Caitlyn is being disrespectful? She is saying originally she had not agreed with same sex marriage but that was over a decade ago. As she has grown and is growing into being a woman, she is starting to see that if she wants rights, how is it okay of her to stand in the way of other people’s happiness, as she says. I think the quickness to anger from Ellen says a lot more than many will see because the hurt and offense taken is blinding. I was actually watching a video on Ellen disliking guests and this came up. It’s really frustrating that people can’t have a different political view and openly say they don’t want that view to impose upon people’s happiness. Idk it’s very unsettling because I stand for same sex marriage, but I don’t stand for people not being open to hearing a different perspective. Something I learned working in a predominantly republican environment a few years ago, that if I talked a little less and listened more, they weren’t usually, if at all, trying to show disrespect, rather their perspective or opinions. And who’s to say either is correct, because opinions aren’t factual. Obviously this situation is more delicate than that but you get the jist.!Anywaysss anticipating some hate 🤷🏼♀️ but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles here on the internet
To be fair I don't think it was a hit and run per say, just negligence that resulted in the death of a grandmother and easily could have resulted in the death of her grandchildren in the back seat. But he's a lady now so it's no big deal now you bigot.
No she’s just saying in the past she sorta was to traditional to believe in same sex marriage but she’s grown to know about it and understand more. Clearly because she’s now trans so she’s comfortable with it. She’s just still got the old traditional thoughts about it all. We can’t help how she was brought up but she’s learning and cait is more comfortable now with same sex
I think she worded it wrong and didn’t know how to say it but I think she was talking about how she was raised and how she felt previously. I think she’s on board now
That kind of thing can happen when people get facelifts, especially more than one, which she's clearly had. The sad thing to me about plastic surgery is that in my mind, it usually doesn't make people look younger, but instead still just as old but also "off" in some way.
Her saying “lf the word marriage is that important to you” shows how she doesn’t get it still. If straight people get married because the word marriage is important to them, then gays should too.
But marriage was created by God and not for that purpose. That’s why a traditional person would be against it and it wouldn’t be hateful in my opinion. Not like Caitlin telling them to stop being gay.
What seriously bothers me in this comment section, is that people aren't understanding what she's saying. She is saying that when she was younger she didn't accept it at first but she has learned and grown since then. She accepts it now. I don't understand why people don't let other people grow. She's explaining who she was in the past compared to how she is now. And don't say that she still believes all that because she's a Republican, because I know a lot of people who are part of the LGBT community and are Republicans.
“Everybody want to have a partner. Everybody want to have a family.” Darling, speak for yourself. Sincerely, an asexual-aromantic without any interest with any relationship here.
why do people talk bad things? This is her life and she is free. she loves what she does, like what you love to do, that's it. I'm gay and I'm proud 🏳️🌈💖
I cannot deal with people who think marriage is only a word. Marriage is the fundamental provider of rights to a family. Every word in the dictionary has it's own weight people. Even the word hypocrite!
I didn’t here her say anything wrong? Why are people blowing this up? She said she used to be completely homophobic but now she’s opened up to it. And yeah maybe she’s not all the way there because she’s gone so long thinking one way, it’s hard to change. But she is and I admire her for it. Jeez you can’t get mad at people for changing for the better.
I understand what she’s saying. I think that her saying she won’t stand in front of anyone’s happiness is a step forward. I don’t see why everyone is so mad
Because she still supports the politics that discriminate the LGBTQ+ community. She might be "ok" with gay marriage, but she would still vote for those who are not. She counts her own privileges without attempting to fight for equality for the less privileged than her, thus she is quite the hypocrite
He claims to be a traditionalist and yet he is sitting there with female clothe, make up and high heels. This guy is suffering from serious mental health issues and needs help. And the deep voice is killing me. He is not even bothered to take vocal training to sound more feminine. What the fuck is he doing?
I’m in no way defending Caitlyn, and I LOVE Ellen, but Caitlyn didn’t say she was against gay marriage. 15-20 years ago, most people, including most celebrities, did not support it either, but their opinions changed over time. I don’t think Ellen was the best person to tell that to though lol
Yall are all hating on caitlyn for something she USED to think, but dont praise her for changing her views and admitting she was wrong??? Ellen you're asking some personal things and "calling" people out in public and making them feel really uncomfortable, things that aren't necessary to ask (ie. Justin Bieber and his nakid photo as well). Ellen could've asked what are Caitlyns views now, not 20 year ago. People change and calling out something they thought 20 years ago is just wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
you guys clearly missed the part where she said she felt this way 25 years ago, but is okay with it now. most people in Hollywood were against gay marriage 20 years ago. hell, even Obama was against gay marriage all through his first term. why are you hating on Caitlyn for something she believed in the past, but say its okay for Obama because "he has changed”. everyone has changed their opinion on things before. Caitlyn isn’t the hypocrite here, its the people chewing her out for being honest about feelings she has had in the past. most people in her situation would lie about that sort of thing
“I like tradition” You paid to have someone chop off what you were given, just to put together something that you weren’t born with? This isn’t hate speech, it really isn’t. If someone wants to be a male or female but aren’t one originally, go nuts. But the biggest and oldest tradition in the world, or in life, is to basically not artificially change the gender you were born with. Idk how you can support yourself and others who broke that tradition but not support people who want to marry someone of the same sex.
She sounds so confused...I feel like "he waited WAY too long to come out AND was not educated about what Trans people go through, "she" just went with it without doing research and being 1000% sure of what she was doing. And Now there's no going back
imagine trying to tell someone else that she isn't actually tans and is just “so confused”. how can you say something as idiotic as that on the internet and think its okay? lmao yikes
Rubi Vita I'm gay and I heard Caitlyn say exactly this! She is still processing. She is a human being! people can have way too high expectations for others. as long as she doesn't "stand in the way of anyone else's happiness" who are we to judge her for that.
I know a lot of republicans, and I can't think of any off the top of my head that are against gay marriage. They mostly seem to have this "sure gays should be able to marry, why not? who cares" kinda mentality (myself included). The only people I know that are against it are really against it for religious reasons more so than political reasons. But somehow it is spun as a political/republican thing more than it is a religious view.
A person can be transgender and have traditional feelings and views. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that. Caitlin admits many years ago that she didn't understand gay marriage and as the years passed and times changed so didn't her views on the subject. why must people always make drama where there doesn't need to be any. I personally appreciate when people are honest.
I just hate when people come from so much privilege think it’s okay to dunk on people who have been literally fighting their whole life for equality and to be treated like a respected human being .. I know this is an older video but unfortunately homophobia and transphobia still exists .. I hope conservatives can have a little bit of heart before spreading hate onto the world. Love always wins.
look at yourself in the mirror sweetie and tell us you are traditional
ΜΑΙΡΗ ΤΣΑΧΟΥΡΙΔΟΥ exactly my thought
ΜΑΙΡΗ ΤΣΑΧΟΥΡΙΔΟΥ he’s stupid as fuck ... oh yeah “very traditional “ I’m a ts n I disagree with Caitlyn just saying.
ΜΑΙΡΗ ΤΣΑΧΟΥΡΙΔΟΥ σ'αγαπώ μωρή
Jose Rosales She* is. She's not making a lot of sense about LGBT rights but she still doesn't deserve to be misgendered. Calling people the right gender isn't a privilege you can take away
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The hipocracy of it all
HIPOCRACY
HYPOCRISY. Idiot.
Hippo crazy
@@jimmyconway4034 lmaooo
It’s hypocrisy
is the word marriage important..........well is the word "she " important to you Caitlyn
z delany 👌👌👏👏👏👏👏
z delany exactly
Yes!!!
z delany burn
z delany Same-sex couple: "We wanna get "married".
Government: "We don't need you to get married."
Caitlyn is only traditional when the issue isn’t affecting her personally
That's Bruce
Like Hillary Clinton then lol lol
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@@Nahasapasa Huh??
I’m soo confused she wants us to accept her when she can’t accept us
orionh3000 you’re an asshole
@orionh3000 Fuck off.
@orionh3000 Welp, everyone wants you to f off. So...
@orionh3000 and you are a pathetic piece of shit, so fuck off!
@orionh3000 have a nice day
You deserve it
what an odd world
Kyle P agree
I think the whole thing can be summed up in two words "publicity seeking". People wouldn't talk about Jenner if his/her politics were un-traditional.
loll true thing
I am still no 100% sure this is a bad dream or not...
Exactly. He ruined it
Thanks, Ellen, for exposing Jenner's hypocrisy. A trans person a "traditionalist"....?? LMFAO....
Harry Pjotr right! Like thank you Ellen cause he or she's an idiot
You don't get it. You can still be a traditionalist and be happy for others to make their own decisions. He's just saying he's open minded.
Emily Horsburgh she’s going by she just so you know
Lmao 666 likes
Harry Pjotr
So she must agree in everything you brainwashed ppl thinks?? woow that shows your tolerance and freedom of speech. besides she is not against gay marriage, as she clearly said.
So she's a transgender woman who likes other women, therefore a lesbian, telling another lesbian she doesn't agree with gay/lesbian marriage? What? The hypocrisy.
He is a man that is obsessed with woman so much he felt like he needed to look like one. He considers himself a woman as in the word but he knows he is and always will be a man. I would say he is complete opposite of gays and even more straight than most straight men. Straight men look at themselves in the mirror and see a man with manly features Jenner looks at himself in the mirror and sees tits and female like features. Lol
She also thinks the hardest part about being a woman is apparently picking out what outfit to wear.
No... You mean the MISOGYNY! This is just next level!
She seem to date only male transgendered women
When Ellen hit her with that “mhm” you could tell it was over for Caitlyn
her speech pattern is so similar to trump’s lmao
Jamie Klein his
@@2ToneDrank just because someone is a dumbass doesnt mean im not going to respect their pronouns.
Well not everyone is a public speaker....soooo....?
@@jamieklein8269 almost all republican are like this
His
"Are you going to date men, or women, what are you doing ?"😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nubian Sioux I think he will date women
She didnt want to answer??
@@teacup2173 sex is gender
@サディ東京 he*
I don’t think she meant for it to sound that way haha I think she was genuinely asking
Wait what lol? Advocate for LGBTQ, but is just “OK” with gay marriage? What lol? Also, if she dated women AS A WOMAN that would make her a lesbian, yes?
No not a lesbian because Jenner is not a woman he/she is a transgender "woman" which is not the same as a real woman.
Kaylie Richard that is correct. If she’s not lesbian what is she ? Lol
Bend that way I way a kind as well that is way that my mom lot me a boy 👦 name way’s
That would make her/him a Lesbian and Gay lol
I think she's bisexual
She's transgender yet traditional 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
and 'conservative' ...
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Maybe he went transgender to get away from kris LOL
It's a he. How dare you misgender Bruce like that! Sick fuck!
You couldn’t make it up,Transgender traditionalists and conservative Hahahaha
It really broke my heart when I see Ellen sitting there and one of her guests talkings about gay marriage like that...
Tara Shahpoor I know.
Yeah she should have just kept her mouth shut if she was not okay with it. Very disrespectful.
@@Anjali-yp2tr she was asked about her views wasn’t she?
Ellen’s a bitch
The thing is she said that she used to be not for it 20 years ago, she clearly said her view has changed over the years and she is for it now
“If the word marriage is really important to you” That’s the damn word! Why would it not be important? Does marriage mean nothing for gay couples? Caitlynn is tripping.
Marriage is a grift
Marriage is just another way for the government to get some extra cash in exchange for some papers that literally mean nothing. And then you gotta' pay for some more papers when you get so tired of one another you want a divorce.
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you cannot demand respect for your choices in life while being unwilling to give respect to others having similar experiences
But she does accept it. Why can't she be trans AND traditional? Maybe she likes traditions like trans Christmas and opening gifts in the morning, or getting a certain type of food on a certain holiday.... those are TRADITIONS and MANY LGBTQ people STILL FOLLOW TRADITIONS... doesn't name them any less lgbtq.... why can't caitlyn be both wtf
Princess Sindy she doesn’t accept it. if she accepted it she wouldn’t have said any of this. you’d think she would understand just how hard these people suffer to be given equal rights, you’d think she’d understand it more than most like on a personal level. but i guess not.
@@benm6847 i dont think she reallyhas sympathy for others watching how she talks to kris n her fam n stuff
“I’m very traditional”
*gets a sex change*
Holy shit ellen took that so well. I wouldve lost my shit
What does losing your shit solve? That's the problem no one wants to talk things out like adults.
You're a professional victim
@Greg LeJacques #PostRoe
Your specific "rights" are next, we stacked the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. Clarence Thomas orchestrated the DESTRUCTION of Roe v Wade and you lgblt nutjobs couldn't stop us. We're already close to TAKING AWAY your personal token rights, and you're still totally clueless 😆 🤣 😂
I'm sorry your family disowned you and made you so angry. Sad.
she literally said she completely changed her thinking on the issue, obviously she’s not homophobic, idk why everyone is disregarding that
thank you lol exactly. people just love drama
I agree. Catilyn was telling how she felt in the past and now the present. I think it was fine for her to share the way she felt. She said it took time to get onboard. Nothing wrong with that. Many people have to process new information to become comfortable with it. I think its good she told the truth.
Because she was only concerned about it when it relates to her. She couldn't give two F's if it didn't relate to her.
@@PettyLaBitch She is from a different generation what do you expect? Compared to today’s natural outlook on gay and transgender.
@@PettyLaBitch 🎯
2:10 “you’re the same person you just look physically different” shots fired.
That wasn't an attack, she was talking about how just because she changes how she's perceived now to reflect who she is, she is still the same person; that is the actual journey of a trans person. And therefore it was hard for Ellen to grasp how she felt about gay marriage now and was basically asking if that had changed.
@@emilybillybobsenior8934 You said it perfectly, Emily.
@@emilybillybobsenior8934 if she felt that she has always been a woman, and has only had sexual and emotional relations with women, then she herself is a lesbian woman. Her beliefs are not aligning it makes no sense … i am lesbian myself and fully support trans … and cannot make sense of her logic
@@AB-pc2iu I do acknowledge that she herself holds conflicting ideas on gay marriage given her personal circumstances. Considering this, it looks like she values her personal religious beliefs but is also struggling with truthfully pursuing her own identity and has personal conflict connecting the two. I am dating a trans woman who acknowledges that she is lesbian in truth, but she does not have an additional religious factor that conflicts with this to cause internal struggles between who you are and a value that tells you not to be this way. But of course, neither being trans or being homosexual are things we choose.
I hope she is able to work through this and live happily. It's harder to do that when the outside wants to pick it apart.
@@emilybillybobsenior8934 I agree with everything you said. one part that struck me is when you say “i hope she works through that and lives happily, it’s harder to do that when the outside wants to pick it apart” i’m having a hard time empathizing for her when she spent her entire life being the “outsider picking apart” lesbians and gays who were only “working through it” and trying to “live happy”
Can you guys listen she said fifteen years ago I would’ve called myself a traditionalist but as time goes on and I am who I am now I wouldn’t stand in the way of someone’s happiness, not exact words but along those lines I’m not watching it again 😂 but pay attention guys
true! he was still talking and ellen already assumed.
@@mammamia1618 she*
We did pay attention it's just that the life HE is leading says he is nothing but another moron, rich ass.
@@jann1717 she* :)
What's the definition of hypocrisy? Watch this video and find out!
She’s like Donald Trump. She dodged the question when Ellen asked her if she was going to be dating men or women. 🤦🏻♀️ Yikes.
Serena Rahman - Because Trump dodged that same exact question. For Christ sakes, please don't reproduce.
She answered the question, you just didn't understand it because you're not a good listener.
Dusty O'Meara my god, she’s referring to the king of deflection, answering without answering anything at all. God, don’t take things so literally.
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Remains discreet about her personal life so that makes her like donald trump? You only like jenner if she says what you all want to hear.
I love how she counts the Kardashians as her kids
they still are...they’re her step kids but same difference
Why wouldn’t she? She been in their life since they were young. Khloe was only like 7 or 8 when they got married.
so can someone plz fill me in ? From what I understand robert Kardashian is their real father who was oj's lawyer, and at this point I'm just guessing but robert died and Bruce married his widow wife ?
@@mamhello9613 still nice because some stepparents treat their stepkids differently.
@@macdaddysteeze1659 I mean Caitlyn, you don't need to deadname her but yeah, I thinks that's the story.
You can hear Ellen’s real thoughts on this on Stern!
Caitlin should go build rockets, she's "really" smart . . . . . .
T Thao lmao
I think I just had a stroke
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Hayley Maree so your saying language doesn't evolve with time? also i best tell my mate who had a stroke to stop telling people like myself I'll have a stroke then and i best stop telling them they'll have another lol. and yes you are being self righteous. and uneducated well I must have some education as english is my second language .
retarded
dated, offensive
less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.
‘the child is badly retarded’
‘they're treated as if they're mentally retarded’
‘perhaps I'm emotionally retarded’
1.1informal Very foolish or stupid.
‘in retrospect, it was a totally retarded idea’
Usage
In the sense ‘less advanced in development than is usual for one's age’, retarded dates from the late 19th century. It has acquired offensive connotations in recent decades, and terms such as developmentally disabled or having intellectual disabilities are now preferred. hmm looks like words definitions and use change. maybe use a dictionary.
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Traditionalist my ass Caitlyn, native peoples didn’t have a gender preference, we married who we loved, it’s a religious aspect that only a man and woman can marry, I don’t care what narrow minded people say
You can shove that up yo a55 that's just your opinion not an actual fact lmao
AMEN ELLEN “equality is equality.” It can’t apply to some groups and not others 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 it’s so hard to hear people talk the way Caitlyn is- I can’t believe it’s still going on in 2018.
Especially since he is from the same mentally ill group too 😂
@@dylfr6491 she
She literally said she's OK with gay marriage, Jesus y'all need help
clarification: caitlyn jenner actually wanted to talk about this she called ellen in advance and asked her to talk to talk about this and ellen turned it around on her and made her look like a homophobic. but i don’t really think she is. she said she used to be against it but now she’s on board with it..
I mean yeah she said she’s on board with it, but to me, it seemed like she was being hesitant about choosing her words to only seem not homophobic. Especially around 1:10. She basically said I don’t support you, but if it means THAT much to you then fine, I’ll deal with it since it’s your life, but I still don’t support it. That’s how I saw it.
It was not lmao this was beyond lame and homophobic
"are you traditional?"
" Yes"
Me: what girl
isnt she gay now herself? shes a woman thats been with women?
J feelings or what you identify as doesn't change scientific and biological facts
fresh freshh gender isn’t only biological. It’s mostly a social construct
Amal Nasser lol it's reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.
Amal Nasser how is gender a social construct😂🤦♂️
In what wya mood that that she does for me. A lot
She was saying when the movement for same sex marriage equality came out because of her views she was initially against but as time progressed so did she. She is literally saying she evolved her opinions and realized she “ doesn’t want to stand in the way of anyone’s happiness” and she was saying I’m Republican but I am also for same sex marriage.
Everybody is hating on her because of what she said, but she said that she changed her views and she thinks equality is important.
I honestly don’t understand everyone’s confusion about Caitlin’s views. She grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation. Twice or three times removed from most of you commenting right now. She had just come out as a trans person during the time of this interview. She took so long because of her views growing up and her generation’s old fashioned beliefs. You can’t expect someone to become “woke” overnight. Yes, she’s trans but she is slowly coming into understanding about everything that that means. She made the acceptance to same-sex marriage and she was being authentically vulnerable with Ellen about what a journey that was for her. Instead of ridiculing her, why not praise her for the leaps and bounds she has made into being a progressive person despite her age, generation, and political background. Wow. Most of you have no compassion on this thread and yet you accuse Caitlin of being hypocritical? That is hypocrisy! Disgusting. Do better.
because how tf you all for "traditionalist" marriage when your a man dressed as a fkn women??????
Bruce: accept me for who i am world
gay people: hell yeah we would, you go girl!
Bruce: oh i was talking to regular people
gay people: ...
LOL
Catlien dont deadname her
Yeah, Caitlyn you define everything that is traditional!!!
I applaud Ellen for being able to hold back and not just be like, "Are you fucking kidding me right now?"
🤣🤣 thank you that cracked me up, much agreed
f..k that elen degenerace
Honestly I'm sick of hearing from this weirdo
Let's not be transphobic
Can't see any disrespect here from what Caitlin said... She said she didn't like the idea but won't stand in the way of happiness and also has got on board with the idea. So what.
She is and always has been the same inner core person. She is bruce.
Idk why people are just focusing on what she said about not believing in gay marriage 15 YEARS AGO...and then how she said she changed her mind about that and she doesnt want to support a movement that took away people’s happiness. And im not even a fan of Caitlyn, but she admitted shes weong about her thinking i can see why people would be mad with her mindset that she had 15 years ago but she changed her mind which is the most important thing.
She just said she doesn’t have thst view anymore so how is she against gay marrige?
"If that word 'marriage' is really that important to YOU..." -Caitlyn Jenner on Ellen
Think on this quote people! Let the obvious implications, of CJ differentiating "herself" (as a supposed life long lesbian) from Ellen, sink in
@greglejacques1094 Um, no. Jenner is an autogynophile (sp?). A straight, biological man, who happens to be politically conservative, and also happens to be living in a time when their fetish (AGP, crossdressing with sexual arousal element at the idea of embodying a woman's body) is praised and monetized. The percentage of trans women who are agp men is a known "inconvenient truth" in academia. Around half of trans women are autogynophilic men. The actual percentage of "true trans" is exceedingly rare and EXCLUSIVELY affects a tiny minority of biological men. LGB Alliance has been created, bc of course, lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals (and also, adolescent girls) are the ones getting fckd and no one cares. Typical.
@greglejacques1094 Not an assumption. Gender dysphoria (the "T" in LGBT) was in the DSM for half a century! It was known to be one of the rarest mental disorders that almost exclusively affected men, but with one of the highest rates of suicidal ideation (higher than schizophrenia!) Like anorexia, gender dysphoria is a mental illness made trend. Unlike anorexia (which happened organically,) gender dysphoria is a mental illness that has been turned into a trend. You think it's a "coincidence" that gender affirming care is the raking in the cash for Big Pharma?
@greglejacques1094 Also, I halfway wish I was assuming. Ignorance is bliss. But ppl are dying. Whether it's crack in the hood in the 80's, pills in Appalachia in the early 00's or cross sex hormones now, Big Pharma is the god and the government, and they laugh all the way to their Swiss banks
@greglejacques1094 Get to root of who and what (entities) create and exacerbate pain for profit. Most mental illness is a reflection of a sick society. Teach self love and ego death (to the degree to which the ego is personally unhealthy) on as impactful a scale as you can reach, but starting with yourself. If we all do our part to try to elevate beyond this matrix of pain and suffering, then a chain reaction will occur; people will be inspired. Maybe that was too big picture, but the big picture is the problem. Turn off the Kardashians, fear- porn news, and disconnect from any social media that promotes unhealthy beauty standards. It doesn't matter if it's "real boys play football," or "boys wear dresses," or "boys can be girls" (which reinforces the patriarchy, btw) bc it's all marketing based on keeping everyone unhappy with themselves, and that's just one example. To help, we need to do our part to unhook from this matrix by starting with ourselves; worthiness that cannot be bought (including pharmaceuticals) and self love that is not contingent on anything external.
Honestly I don’t think Caitlyn is being disrespectful? She is saying originally she had not agreed with same sex marriage but that was over a decade ago. As she has grown and is growing into being a woman, she is starting to see that if she wants rights, how is it okay of her to stand in the way of other people’s happiness, as she says. I think the quickness to anger from Ellen says a lot more than many will see because the hurt and offense taken is blinding. I was actually watching a video on Ellen disliking guests and this came up. It’s really frustrating that people can’t have a different political view and openly say they don’t want that view to impose upon people’s happiness. Idk it’s very unsettling because I stand for same sex marriage, but I don’t stand for people not being open to hearing a different perspective. Something I learned working in a predominantly republican environment a few years ago, that if I talked a little less and listened more, they weren’t usually, if at all, trying to show disrespect, rather their perspective or opinions. And who’s to say either is correct, because opinions aren’t factual. Obviously this situation is more delicate than that but you get the jist.!Anywaysss anticipating some hate 🤷🏼♀️ but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles here on the internet
Love your comment!
She said "at first" but with time she was okay with it. Whats the big deal
how about he/she is against hit and runs ..oh no we can't talk about that..
To be fair I don't think it was a hit and run per say, just negligence that resulted in the death of a grandmother and easily could have resulted in the death of her grandchildren in the back seat. But he's a lady now so it's no big deal now you bigot.
Bdon44 62b fucking dead 😂
THANK YOU
just say "they." It's not that hard...
Bruce Jenner stayed at the scene.
If you can except you why can't you accept gay marriage
Bruce is a creepy bastard lol
Joe Vanatta agreed
Joe Vanatta Yes, but her name is Caitlyn
No she’s just saying in the past she sorta was to traditional to believe in same sex marriage but she’s grown to know about it and understand more. Clearly because she’s now trans so she’s comfortable with it. She’s just still got the old traditional thoughts about it all. We can’t help how she was brought up but she’s learning and cait is more comfortable now with same sex
This still baffles me, how can you come out as a transgender woman but still be wary about gay marriage 💀
A lesbian .......🤣🤣😂
Fuck off are you 12? Like Caitlyn can be whoever she wants! She can be a giraffe even if she desires... God your immature Hayden Trinh...
No, she can't be a giraffe, you absolute tool.
You talking about Ellen or The heshe on the show with the laughing emojis? If the heshe, ikr? What a fucking hypocrite
in the immortal words of Lou Costello, "that's either a very ugly girl, Or a very pretty monster"
Take your pick
Well it's not a girl and not scary enough for a monster so how about an ugly thing?
She's not saying no to gay marriage, so idk why people are so triggered?
You call yourself traditional? Go home, look at yourself, the come back
I think she worded it wrong and didn’t know how to say it but I think she was talking about how she was raised and how she felt previously. I think she’s on board now
I'm wigged out by Caitlyn's eyes blinking at different times... the left eye doesn't close with the right. It's so weird.
Yohana I know someone like that and I was also freaked out O.O
That kind of thing can happen when people get facelifts, especially more than one, which she's clearly had. The sad thing to me about plastic surgery is that in my mind, it usually doesn't make people look younger, but instead still just as old but also "off" in some way.
Lol
I’m wigged out everytime I hear of her/him or see her/him.
Half the time I think she's gonna have a stroke.
Get it?
Half the time?
I'll show myself out....
Doesnt answer ellens QUESTION ABOUT HER PREFRENCE
Does she have to?? Why's it anyone's business but her's?
Her saying “lf the word marriage is that important to you” shows how she doesn’t get it still. If straight people get married because the word marriage is important to them, then gays should too.
But marriage was created by God and not for that purpose. That’s why a traditional person would be against it and it wouldn’t be hateful in my opinion. Not like Caitlin telling them to stop being gay.
@@AEyob-mn2ep marriage is created by God? Where does it say that?
gays definitely should have the right to marry too.
Gosh it's like listening to Trump speaking 😂😂😂
What seriously bothers me in this comment section, is that people aren't understanding what she's saying. She is saying that when she was younger she didn't accept it at first but she has learned and grown since then. She accepts it now. I don't understand why people don't let other people grow. She's explaining who she was in the past compared to how she is now. And don't say that she still believes all that because she's a Republican, because I know a lot of people who are part of the LGBT community and are Republicans.
I know right, it's seriously concerning.
“Everybody want to have a partner. Everybody want to have a family.” Darling, speak for yourself. Sincerely, an asexual-aromantic without any interest with any relationship here.
You want to be oppressed so bad that you go to TH-cam videos to feel it. You poor thing..
hey people, she said she's ok with that, what's the problem?
I JUST DON'T GET IT... but she is who she is
why do people talk bad things? This is her life and she is free.
she loves what she does, like what you love to do, that's it.
I'm gay and I'm proud 🏳️🌈💖
💀 she literally was just saying how she was raised and brought up. She doesn’t have the same mindset now, as was said in the video.
Caitlyn, I've always been a woman.
Ok, so, you were in a same sex marriage with Kris.... WHILE you were against the notion.
I know. He is a hypocrite
0:49 YOU CAN SEE ELLEN CRINGING
I cannot deal with people who think marriage is only a word.
Marriage is the fundamental provider of rights to a family.
Every word in the dictionary has it's own weight people. Even the word hypocrite!
*BBUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRNNNN*
A man pretending to be a woman proclaims to be a traditionalist and believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Irony much?
I didn’t here her say anything wrong? Why are people blowing this up? She said she used to be completely homophobic but now she’s opened up to it. And yeah maybe she’s not all the way there because she’s gone so long thinking one way, it’s hard to change. But she is and I admire her for it. Jeez you can’t get mad at people for changing for the better.
I understand what she’s saying. I think that her saying she won’t stand in front of anyone’s happiness is a step forward. I don’t see why everyone is so mad
Because she still supports the politics that discriminate the LGBTQ+ community. She might be "ok" with gay marriage, but she would still vote for those who are not. She counts her own privileges without attempting to fight for equality for the less privileged than her, thus she is quite the hypocrite
He claims to be a traditionalist and yet he is sitting there with female clothe, make up and high heels. This guy is suffering from serious mental health issues and needs help. And the deep voice is killing me. He is not even bothered to take vocal training to sound more feminine. What the fuck is he doing?
I’m in no way defending Caitlyn, and I LOVE Ellen, but Caitlyn didn’t say she was against gay marriage. 15-20 years ago, most people, including most celebrities, did not support it either, but their opinions changed over time. I don’t think Ellen was the best person to tell that to though lol
Yall are all hating on caitlyn for something she USED to think, but dont praise her for changing her views and admitting she was wrong??? Ellen you're asking some personal things and "calling" people out in public and making them feel really uncomfortable, things that aren't necessary to ask (ie. Justin Bieber and his nakid photo as well). Ellen could've asked what are Caitlyns views now, not 20 year ago. People change and calling out something they thought 20 years ago is just wrong.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
you people do not listen she said that at first she was traditional and said that now she that people have changed her thinking stop and listen
and she never went on the ellen show again...
Dude is INSANE
you guys clearly missed the part where she said she felt this way 25 years ago, but is okay with it now. most people in Hollywood were against gay marriage 20 years ago. hell, even Obama was against gay marriage all through his first term. why are you hating on Caitlyn for something she believed in the past, but say its okay for Obama because "he has changed”. everyone has changed their opinion on things before. Caitlyn isn’t the hypocrite here, its the people chewing her out for being honest about feelings she has had in the past. most people in her situation would lie about that sort of thing
Obama is gay openly. His husband Michele is a trans
I love a person for who they are!!! Their heart, mind, and soul, and love her, and loved him, always!❤❤❤
Your cute
“I like tradition”
You paid to have someone chop off what you were given, just to put together something that you weren’t born with? This isn’t hate speech, it really isn’t. If someone wants to be a male or female but aren’t one originally, go nuts. But the biggest and oldest tradition in the world, or in life, is to basically not artificially change the gender you were born with.
Idk how you can support yourself and others who broke that tradition but not support people who want to marry someone of the same sex.
You will always be my hero Ellen.
She sounds so confused...I feel like "he waited WAY too long to come out AND was not educated about what Trans people go through, "she" just went with it without doing research and being 1000% sure of what she was doing. And Now there's no going back
imagine trying to tell someone else that she isn't actually tans and is just “so confused”. how can you say something as idiotic as that on the internet and think its okay? lmao yikes
She did nothing wrong thou... She said that she used to not agree with gay marriage and now she does
Rubi Vita I'm gay and I heard Caitlyn say exactly this! She is still processing. She is a human being! people can have way too high expectations for others. as long as she doesn't "stand in the way of anyone else's happiness" who are we to judge her for that.
i totally agree with you Rubi
This kind of makes me sad.. the LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 community is segregated from “the norm” enough. We don’t deserve exclusion within it. It’s not fair
I know a lot of republicans, and I can't think of any off the top of my head that are against gay marriage. They mostly seem to have this "sure gays should be able to marry, why not? who cares" kinda mentality (myself included). The only people I know that are against it are really against it for religious reasons more so than political reasons. But somehow it is spun as a political/republican thing more than it is a religious view.
A person can be transgender and have traditional feelings and views. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that. Caitlin admits many years ago that she didn't understand gay marriage and as the years passed and times changed so didn't her views on the subject. why must people always make drama where there doesn't need to be any. I personally appreciate when people are honest.
"Everybody wants to have a partner" lol ok sure
I was starting to accept caitlynn I even started watching to show. Then I came across this 🤦♀️ absolutely ridiculous.
AS a great man once wrote "I'm not your woman,
I'm not your man, I am something that you'll never understand!!
Lmaoooooo that should there be their motto
Props to Ellen for sitting through all that bullshit without flipping her shit
Ellen stayed very professional which must’ve of been hard
wait i’m confused why people are mad she literally said she was traditional but her mindset has changed
CAITLYN JENNER IS NOT A TRADITIONALIST.
She said she USED TO not support it.
She looks beautiful
Right, this gender change person is "conservative"
Abcdefg Abcdefg it can change you bc you get hormons that girls get to be a woman and then you are moody and
Ellen was doing everything she could to hold back from bopping her straight in the face
I know damn well this thing ain’t just say he like tradition.
I just hate when people come from so much privilege think it’s okay to dunk on people who have been literally fighting their whole life for equality and to be treated like a respected human being .. I know this is an older video but unfortunately homophobia and transphobia still exists .. I hope conservatives can have a little bit of heart before spreading hate onto the world. Love always wins.
Why are so many people judging the vehicle? It is the soul inside that is the person.