When Caitlin said "if you want to have the word marriage, I mean, I guess" Ellen should have fired back saying "you want people to call you Caitlin, right? Because using the word Bruce isn't the same thing as Caitlin just like civil unions aren't the same as marriages"
well said!! You could see how tense Ellen was when Caitlin said her hypocritical views. feeling very angry about this as Caitlyn has made herself a spokeswomen in the public eye which could be extended to include all individuals who haven't been accepted in their lives but with this kind of right wing limited views she is alienating everyone. Shocking. Ellen handled it very well
I don't think you understand transgenderism. It isn't about who you are attracted to (and whichever gender they may be), it's about one's own gender identity.
Lauren bagel Notice how Bruce said at first, and then went in to say that his views have changed? That was a pretty clear “I support immorality”, so what’s everyone upset about?
+Mr. Gabe Yeah, see, that's the wrong approach. As progressives, the right attitude is to support her right to live acording to her gender identity even if she's enough of a douche to shit on othert's struggles.
+Chris Wallace Kyle from South Park was right, good on her for bringing some attention to trans rights, but there are far more deserving trans activists, that aren't selfish conservatives.
do trans people have to support gay rights? no. caitlyn is a lesbian, right? she likes women. she is a woman. she married a woman. yet, she didn't support gay rights in the past? how does that make sense? surely, if she knew from an early age that she was a trans woman, regardless of living her life as a man/husband/father, deep down she would have come to accept the fact that she's a lesbian. and what homosexual person doesn't support homosexual rights?
Elina Buchan well one she waited to make her money and Fame and she waited until her parents past because apparently she wouldn't have been a very good tennis player being a woman or of the medicine that you would have to pay they would not allow her to play tennis for the Olympics but when you're in a closet in your famous you should come out on a lot of things you might support him behind closed doors but other than that if you're famous you shut your mouth
Nicholas Whoolery I wasn't talking about her fame or career. I was talking about her sexual orientation and views on homosexual rights. even if she did feel unable to transition in her early life, she KNEW she was a woman, and she liked women, therefore, she was always a lesbian. YET, she did not support lesbian marriage.
+JustinHenryfan I kind of lost my respect for her. When she came out, I was so happy that she can be herself, and that more people talk about transgender... and then this happened
+JustinHenryfan Jenner never said anything about being a lesbian. :/ He's still attracted to women, but apparently the LGBT community doesn't like that because I guess transgender people are supposed be gay? But what about the trans people who date the opposite sex/gender? Are they not counted because they are by definition "straight" and therefore not part of the movement? Is there some law somewhere that says that all trans people have to support gay marriage or anything that has to do with lesbians or gays? If a guy wants to be a woman but still wants to date women, does that count as lesbianism? If a woman wants to be a man but is still attracted to men, does that count as gay? So many questions....
+Veri Nyce Honey, if a man identifies herself as a woman, declares to the world that she's a woman therefore is a woman and if that woman is attracted to another woman, there by definition she is a lesbian. You're making it more complicated than it is. So that's why it's so weird, since she's asking the world to accept her for who she is, but then doesn't herself accept gays and lesbians as who they are. WTF!?
JustinHenryfan I don't think it's about accepting gays or lesbians, because at the end of the day, he doesn't have to accept it, it's a free country after all. But what I think it really boils down to is whether he himself accepts what he is now, his physical appearance might change, but his overall outlook on things did not. I mean, if he really did this transition for himself and not as some publicity stunt, then what does it matter what his position in all this is? If he supports traditional marriage, people should be supportive of that, after all, if a transgender man and woman get married, wouldn't it count as traditional marriage because it's 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN by their own admission?
+Veri Nyce How do you mean? In this scenario, would Jenner be the man marrying the woman? (that's not possible since she has said that she's a woman, so it would be a woman marrying a woman) Or would Jenner be the woman marrying a man (not possible since she's attracted to women) aka SHE'S A LESBIAN,,, right?
About most things, seemingly. As much as I usually attribute the worst aspects of America to the actions of the government, the culture itself is concerning.
Advice everyone should heed. To have your beliefs shaken by an idiot simply because they talk loudly is a sign you're closer to that state of being than you think (you in a general sense). The people you're referring to are ignorant as you say, and so if one has considered and researched the topic in question, some nonsense rhetoric should be not more than a pebble against the gates of a well formed idea. Don't feed the trolls; consider it enabling of their sociopathy. You don't want to be responsible for that, do you?
Liberal Americans yes. Those of us that aren't just keep our power-level hidden until these spergs turn on each other and destroy themselves. Then we can just enjoy believing what the fuck we want and not care that others do the same...even if we disagree.
I'm confused because Caitlyn is against gay marriage... but she says she likes women? she's a woman. she's a lesbian. unless she doesn't think she's a woman.. or unless I missed something and she said she likes men. I don't know.
+Haley Jackson Don't worry, confusion is the most reasonable way to respond to this attention seeking train wreck. Caitlyn Jenner is basically just a vague, poorly thought out concept and trying to make sense of it is trying to analyse a nonsensical joke.
+Haley Jackson I think she's a rich lunatic, basically. She's insane, but has enough money to pay people to make her look like Lauren Bacall and can pay publicists to help her subject us all to this freak show.
Caitlyn Jenner is the worst kind of trans person. It takes courage to come out, and I respect her for doing it, and I respect her for transitioning, but I absolutely despise that she is considered to be such a role model for the LGBTQ+ community. She is incredibly privileged, and has lived her entire life that way. She gets to be rich, and white, and has spent most of her life as a male and has absolutely no idea what the common people go through. She lives in her own bubble and it's abundantly clear
Jalex Ones Chanel I really don’t understand what being white has to do with it but I dislike him as well. But if you ask me white privilege isn’t a things
@@hybridmagz Haven't you heard of black lives matter protests? This is because a black person is more likely to be shot by the police (even if they are unarmed) than a white person is. They literally have to explain to people that their lives matter, white people dont have to do that because they aren't the ones being murdered on the daily by police for no reason.
+Rob McCune Republican? Pushing the gay agenda is a liberal thing. Liberal worms need to blame someone else when their little pussy games backfire on them. Poor little misandric liberal worms are all butt hurt because Bruce Jenner really IS a man and back in the seventies, Bruce Jenner was THE man. Hopefully he will wake up.
Once again......the fucking balls on this chick. I am not sure if this is all an act just to get people to watch more by saying things that are controversial. If this, however, is not the case and Caitlyn REALLY feels like this then you have the PERFECT example of what it means to be a republican. It means to only care about yourself and the causes that have an affect on you. I hope it is all an act, because if not this goes to show why in our society people working hard are barely scraping by while some are living like royalty. This all stems from the fact that they feel entitled to it and they have no ability to imagine what it is like to be in someone else's shoes. Real freedom is being able to to do what makes you happy as long as you do not harm someone else. Then why are drugs illegal?
its worse, being a republican is promoting things that are BAD for you for the sake of people who spend their whole life looking down on you, all because god said so
+Mark G Guess you haven't learnt anything from events since the financial crisis. It's not what you do, it's how much money and power you have. There are 3 tiers of freedom in the US - 1 for the rich and powerful in which case you can do almost anything you like except for murdering people in broad daylight (maybe you can if you are in the military industrial complex), 1 for the average joe and 1 for poor people in which case you can be executed for next to nothing Drugs are illegal because they are a tool for shaking down poor people, the issue has nothing to do with common sense or legality - why would those in power want to take away a useful tool they can use?
+TheRedCapitalist ok true but if they're taking drugs and not hurting anyone whats the problem. Also for everyone who gets this reference from Ann coulter Uh ann alcohol is to get high the same as pot.
She's a traditionalist lmao yeah ok. Why don't you tell everyone that you were born a man, but decided to wear dresses, and high heels. Oh wait.... Traditionalist my ass.
***** No, because accepting science has nothing to do with whether or not there's a god. There are many scientists that are theists. They just don't accept the literal translation of their holy books. Being gay and Christian, is like belonging to PETA and working in a slaughter house.
+UncleAL I know gays who are Christian. Lots of Christians believe that love is love and who are we to judge it. Gays can believe in God just like anyone else can, just because one thing in a book written thousands of years ago by men say that being gay is wrong doesn't mean that they have to live their life like that. Lots of things in the bible are simply overlooked nowadays, like eating fish and wearing wool.
And try not to mistake someone warning you in the place of someone judging you which many constantly insist on doing in the super sensitive world of the homosexual. I'm called to warn by God, that is part of my duty. You also better get a clearer understanding of God's messengers judging and don't be so free to think that they can't do so...when God is going to put them in charge of judging too on Judgement Day.
i have lost all respect for Caitly Jenner. she is not a role model. but for the love of god, do not use trans slurs against her! she may be an idiot but it is not okay to do that!
+Liranamosh Amen, LiranaMosh. Call Caitlyn out for being a hypocrite and an idiot if you like, but don't say derogatory stuff about her trans status. That targets the wrong thing and shows intolerance towards the decent, honest trans people among us.
Caitlyn was being genuine and explained how her perspective had changed and she was now more accepting. Stop and listen to what she actually said. Classic left wing hypocrisy that you can’t be honest, but have to 100 percent in agreement with what is considered correct verbiage. This kind of all or nothing perspective is divisive and doesn’t help anybody.
Uhhh....she is still the same person. Changing your physical gender doesn't make you a democrat or whatever over night. She is that hard working master of the Olympian world. Same same. SHes a person not a cause, and an regular person with unique and non stats quo beliefs. SHe is not whole heartedy for gay marriage. so what. Dosent change my vote about it. Why do we all have to agree with each other all of the time??? we will never get ANYTHING done polarized like that. We have to be in the middle...ya know...in reality ....where we all live. Check the whole left right bulshit and stuff.. Good point....she still is bruce....she is the same soul/person etc. just a woman now or whatever. Gladto hear someone speak their mind honestly. Ellen asked...ellen got an answer...period. SUck it up. SHe is a person not a platform. Fuck em all Caitlin. THis is the US which you LOVE. They all pushed for your transition but woil now hsun you because you are not a spokes woman. Fuck em. Im a democrat and a lesbian and I am not for gay marriage. Are you all confused. OORRRRR do you want to mind your fucking business, get a job and go live and vote BOTH with your head up. Fuck em. I like your comment though really. Thanks.Just a typo ramble...you know how those gp.
Why are you all overreacting? She distinctly said that she felt negatively about it about 15-20 years ago, but now she's for it and doesn't wanna stand in front of anyones happiness. Like calm down.
+Chad K I think you're getting it wrong. She did not come out 'feverishly opposing gay marriage', but what she did say was offensive. ESPECIALLY as a person of the LGBTI community. She said that she was against it 15-20 years ago, and that now "IF THAT WORD MEANS SO MUCH TO YOU" then I'm kinda maybe somewhat okay with it. The reason people are upset about it is because she is advocating to be a "HER" and not a "HE", but Ellen and other liberals never said, well yeah "well if being called a WOMAN is so important to you, I can get my head around it". That's because it isn't right. And more than anything why people are MAD is because she is a massive hypocrite who goes around talking about the struggle of being a trans person and doesn't take a second to think about the struggle of being gay. She only cares about herself and her rights and other people's rights can get stuffed. So NO, people are not overreacting to what she said, people are reacting in the exact way in which her response should be reacted to.
Chad K Just to clarify, I would call her a hypocrite if she said she isn't all for "affirmative actions for blacks". Because that shows a complete lack of empathy. Because, let me be clear, myself and many others could never have a true idea as to how difficult it is to come out as a gay person or a trans person. Yet I and so many others have enough empathy to understand someone else's struggle. So for her to go on and on about her struggle (which is real) and then give no shit about someone else's (be it black people or gay people or anyone else for that matter) makes her a HYPOCRITE. And just FYI I have no problem with her political affiliations, but when you are sitting down with probably the most iconic person of the gay community, and come across as not completely comfortable with the concept of gay marriage, but is willing to concede on it, that is plain disgusting (Even Ellen, one of the most easygoing and kind people ON THIS PLANET was offended by this). I wonder what she would have answered, if the interview was with someone else rather than with Ellen.
Chad K It takes someone with very little knowledge about the UNIQUE history of black people in America to say that supporting affirmative action is having different standards based on skin colour, hence racism. I am assuming you know that black people were held as slaves for generations, and that this resulted in a MASSIVE set back in their community. Also, yes I know that the slaves were freed a while back, but I also know that the cycle of poverty is one that is very hard to break. Kids born into poverty face a MUCH MUCH steeper climb, than anyone else, and when a whole community is disenfranchised to an enormous extent, it becomes more and more difficult to make that climb out of poverty. These are just the facts. Factor in unequal sentencing and unequal policing, and the climb is next to impossible. THAT is why there is affirmative action for black people. Not because they are given a free pass. It is because their struggle is UNIQUE, and hence requires a different course of action. And I love your assumption that I'm reacting like this because she is a republican. I knew she was a republican WHEN SHE CAME OUT AS TRANS. I couldn't care less. Her political affiliations are for her. But what she said wasn't right. Don't think Ellen herself was offended? Go check out what she said to Howard Stern about this.
Oh and Caitlyn proved my point again, when she said recently that trans people need to look more like the gender they identify with. She said that they need to have the right surgeries and dress in a very feminine/masculine way, so they portray themselves correctly. And that if they don't, it makes others uncomfortable. This woman forgets how privileged she was coming out as a trans person, and that most people don't have the same resources/money and support that she got. So to say that, AGAIN shows a complete lack of empathy about anything or anyone other than her own self. Don't believe this is real, google it and read her comments yourself.
Asheek Khan I dig some of his tunes, and as an artist he does--very occasionally--make some good social commentary. But, he's not that bright, and he doesn't know much about politics. He thinks Ben Carson is an intelligent candidate. That tells us enough.
Oh well, it's just egocentric and it happens all the time, black hetero men very preoccupied about racism but at the same time being extremely sexist and anti-gay (because it doesn't affect them:). I've seen Polish people in the UK very angry about how they are being discriminated against by English people and in the next sentence saying the worst racist slurs about Pakistanis. Sigh..
No the fact that she knew she was a woman trapped in a man's body for decades and still had traditional views back then is very contradictory. She also seems pretty iffy on the subject right now.
Gal Axy Just because she had that feeling then doesn't mean she accepted it at that time. I think her traditional views kept that part of her suppressed until she was finally able to get past it and come out. If she was out at the time and fully accepting of herself and also saying she disapproved of gay rights then it would be contradictory.
+macius sean Same reason young adults walk around with fur coats. Instincts. It makes them seem like someone who killed some beast and wears it as a trophy. Same with technology, instincts take over and interpret it as ''shiny'' and ''trophy to wear on mah face.''
Gente ignorante como está a cerca sobre la orientación sexual de alguien. Que claramente tiene su sexualidad más definida y segura a la de este ignorante.
*THANK YOU!!!* I am an independent, but I have plenty of family who are Republican! *MOST* (not all- we have a few 70-90+ yr olds who dnt understand) are fully supportive of gay rights and transgender rights. But, I've also got a few gay, lesbian, and even one trans family member... So, idk if that's what changed their minds or if they always felt that way.
@@MommaWolf1967 Hahahaha! That's funny! Maybe you should state that as an *OPINION AND NOT A FACT, SINCE THE FACT IS; MEN MARRY MEN, AND WOMEN MARRY WOMEN EVERYDAY!* So how is that "Marriage is between a man and a woman period!"??? Lmao!! Could you be any more dumb?! Seriously?!? There are thousands of same sex marriages and in a few yrs there will be millions! So, I mean it dnt matter how you feel or what you think about it! It's happening and it's only going to continue to happen! Ppl who are in love and adults have every right to do whatever they want in order to prove their love to each other and be happy. You're not God! You're nothing more than a bigot! You are no one and nothing! Lol! See ya sweetie! 😘
As a gay person I'd like to point out that I was not accepting of myself for a very long time. I too was afraid of gay marriage and wanted to hold onto tradition. If we don't see ourselves in people we will never be able to reach them. Caitlyn Jenner is not a hypocrite she's not saying she's against gay marriage while speaking for trans rights. She's obviously still uncomfortable with it but supports it. Being LGBT doesn't mean we all think the same way on all issues. I think what she is trying to show is being trans is not being gay. Trans people are always lumped up with the gay community and she wants to show that this is an entirely different experience. Most trans people do not see themselves as gay but heterosexuals. So they may sympathize with gays but they don't always relate to gay people.
One of the only times I like Ellen…. I am a trans human being and I’m also pansexual. It’s disgusting to me that she can think this way like so is it OK for her to know get married to a man???? Because she’s transitioned??? But if she transitioned, and she still was attracted to women, then she wouldn’t get married to them or(I have a sneaking suspicion. This is the case.) she’s literally just homophobic and thinks it’s wrong if she wanted to be with a woman lmfaoo… yet she wants people to not be transphobic?? Man the internalized hate is heavy over here😭😭🙃🙃
I think you pretty much stole the words out of my mouth, everything you said was so "spot on" and I couldn't agree more, I'd love to show more people this video, you make a really great point
I feel like Caitlin actually doesn't care about trans issues...really more so just about able to make ur own choice in individual autonomy. I wouldn't call her hypocrite just not a activitist even for issues dealing with her own causes...prob cause she has $$$ to fall back on and her age has factor as well. wow really think i didn't have any opinion on this shyt
I get being a little upset about this, but seriously guys, you're over reacting. Caitlyn never said she is against gay marriage, she said she was. She did seem iffy when saying she's behind it, but there's something you need to understand here... if you don't believe me, look this shit up. When a trans person hides their true gender identity for so long and takes decades to come to self acceptance, it is a mental battle that does take a toll on that person. Most people just become bitter, depressed, and angry, but look in Caitlyn's case. Not only did she hide this for so long, but she did everything to hold the perfect image of a man, and you bet your fucking ass this would turn you into a monster against anything that isn't yourself. If this were "Bruce" talking, she would have said bad things against gay marriage, and she'd be spewing other nasty shit, but she's trying. You're really going to fault her for attempting to remove her flaws and now try to be better? What pisses me off most is all of the comments made here, saying trans people are against gays. Oh fuck off. I've seen far more gay people against trans people than the other way around. I am a trans person, and I've been bullied by gay people, I wasn't allowed to use the women's restroom in an LGBT support group, I was kicked out of an LGBT support group for "not being LGBT enough", etc. You never fucking hear about gay people mistreating trans people, and you know why? Because the actions of a few are not the actions of everyone. The gay community isn't a single fucking organism. So why are you now saying the trans community is against gay marriage, when *one* trans person says she used to be against it? Jesus fucking Christ.
I took it as she's coming from the position of having presented as a man who was/is a staunch traditionalist and the idea of not standing in the way of people's happiness over a word was the argument that changed her mind. Ellen was asking how can you be a Republican when Republicans are so against you and she pretty bluntly told us about the shift that happened in her thinking and coming from where she's been is what allows her to tolerate people who don't tolerate her.
+Loxy Bliss Ok thanks for the advice, and If you haven't realised I wasn't being serious I was joking. Maybe it wasn't funny to you and I can understand that. I'll take those 4th grade MLA classes maybe I'll be able to read my favorite childhood books again. :)
When you face God you will have to explain to him why you stood against his law forbidding the act of homosexuality then scream, cry, and yell in terror when you are cast into the lake of fire Rev 21-8, people, like you, think your opinion is above God's condemnation of this unnatural act...I've got news for you, it doesn't, God is the one who says the homosexual will not enter the kingdom of heaven 1 Cor 6;9-11, your foolish support and opinion won't matter, it is what is, no argument, no debate, just the consequences, meaning you and your foolish support will be cast into the lake of fire with them, that is written, it's up to you, your blood is on your own hands Lev 20:13.
Caitlyn never said she was against gay marriage, she said she had reservations about it before but now she feels nobody should stand in the way of someones happiness. And it's crappy how other people just hear what they want to hear. I guess Ellen, and everybody else, has a hard time accepting it because Cate doesn't feel it with the same intensity as Ellen. But I would expect that a person who is by profession a show host would have more emotional and social intelligence to understand that some people may struggle more with reconciling their conservative upbringing and liberal views. You can see she instinctively feels she shouldn't be for it, but she can also reason herself out of opinions she was brought up with.
Seriously the dude in the green shirt needs to get a grip. Why does everyone have to agree with same sex marriage? I'm just excited and pleased to think that I can marry my partner, regardless of gender. I don't need the approval of the whole world in order for my marriage to be worth something. Gay people really need to get a grip and stop shouting 'homophobia' just because someone doesn't agree 100% with something, it devalues the word and devalues those who have truly experienced homophobia. Chips are for deep fat friers, not for shoulders people.
Thank you! Why isn't every fifth comment in here saying the same thing? This guy's channel must be some hell hole of an echo chamber. It's so blatantly obvious how stupid this video is.
Lol, "I'm a traditionalist and marriage has always been between a man and a woman." Two things wrong here. One, Caitlyn is a lesbian, two if we're talking about tradition, traditionally people never used to change their gender.
Right? Honestly I don't really understand why people STILL think wearing a dress makes you a girl and wearing a suit makes you a guy. I'm a girl, with a vagina, who doesn't: paint her nails, wear makeup, wear heels, wear dresses, wear skirts, do her hair fawn over boys, etc etc. But that doesn't mean I'm not a female. And I don't understand people who say they "feel like" a girl or a boy. What does it feel like to feel like a girl to them? They love pink and love talking about beauty and wear dresses? Because I'm a girl yet don't do any of that, and I honestly think it just creates gender roles when someone born with a penis puts on a dress and says they're a woman because they're wearing a dress. I think guys should just be able to wear dresses, and girls can wear suits. I'm extremely liberal in all of my political views, yet on a personal level, I truly can not understand this. I understand a boy wanting to wear a dress, but I don't understand why that would make him a girl.
+Kate And I've tried for months to figure this out and I just don't understand it. On a political level, I think transgender people are fine and I hope they are happy, but on a personal level it makes zero sense to me.
Kate This is exactly our point. We are Women, even before surgery. Because Women are Women. We dont need to do "feminine" things to feel like a female because you just know when youre a women. There are many "masculine" Transgender Women who are considered not "feminine" enough because they do "male" things like video games etc. Or they get told that they look female but their nose look masculine. Which is stupid because no cis women has 100% female attributes. Wearing a dress does not make me a woman. And I was stil a girl when I was wearing boys clothes etc.
+byefelicia Trans people have different brains than non-trans people. Their brains are wired like their biological gender; but they have differences in how they process information similarly to how a schizophrenic person's brain activity differs.
You can tell a civilization is ready for collapse when it becomes degenerate. We have a man who became a woman and we idolized this person and awarded him/her with courage awards and we listen to this person counsel? Oh and look at our music and media see how far we have fallen. We're doomed.
MrTonytocs That would depend on what you mean by "it". If you're referring to the topic of this video, then yes. However, my comment was referring to Rick Rouse's statement about our once great civilization being on the brink of collapse. I apologize if you somehow found my comment insulting to what little intelligence you seem to have, I was merely giving you some examples of what once were the greatest and most powerful nations in human history. The Egyptian Empire The Babylonian Empire The Roman Empire Where are they now? They're gone. Destroyed and torn asunder with their remnants stuck on display behind glass at a museum. History has certainly shown that when a nation becomes as powerful or exceeds the power of the previous empires, a disastrous collapse of that nation is almost inevitable. In lame mans terms: The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
No, it's people like you who symbolize civilization's downfall. When the people evolve faster than the civilization, and some fall in line with the civilization's views which demonize the new and interesting types of people, that is when it falls in on itself, with those who hate needlessly fighting against the rights of those in pain, those who did nothing to deserve hatred. As a transmasculine person of somewhat indeterminate gender, I am more a man than you, because the measure of a man is not battles won, not women slept with, not children had, but the compassion in his heart for his fellow humans. You clearly have not the compassion to love your fellow humans enough to get past the flesh body in which we are caged, wanting nothing more than the freedom we deserve.
I honestly don’t understand everyone’s confusion about Caitlin’s views. She grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation. Twice or three times removed from most of you commenting right now. She had just come out as a trans person during the time of this interview. She took so long because of her views growing up and her generation’s old fashioned beliefs. You can’t expect someone to become “woke” overnight. Yes, she’s trans but she is slowly coming into understanding about everything that that means. She made the acceptance to same-sex marriage and she was being authentically vulnerable with Ellen about what a journey that was for her. Instead of ridiculing her, why not praise her for the leaps and bounds she has made into being a progressive person despite her age, generation, and political background. Wow. Most of you have no compassion on this thread and yet you accuse Caitlin of being hypocritical? That is hypocrisy! Disgusting. Do better.
I fully agree with Kyle and @Terios 2 Shes alienated most of the trans community. Even in different countries they hate her and some of the people I know would attack and kill her on sight. She doesn't represent us, shes a insult to the community and fully shes on her own. Most of my friends and I cheered when we heard some trans girls ran into her and started calling her out. Full on, shes facing a full mob.
I will be honest I find hit bloody hard to see Caitlyn Jenner as a woman she just doesn't look like a woman to me. This is comeing from someone how has a trans girlfriend.
basically i always explain this to liberals.....its not surprising for a gay , trans or bisexual person to be conservative...remember conservatism to a large extent is about limiting government so if a LGBT person wants lower taxes, more gun rights and so on they will identify as conservative even though on one single issue the conservative party wont be for them. Similarly liberals and leftists who dont know my political views often assume im liberal simply because im an atheist....but no i rather small government in most cases and since i agree with american conservatives with alot ill side with them even though they may be theocratic on some policies which i disagree with.
That sad that you wish that because TOO MANY Americans are like him, twisting people's words to die their argument. Caitlyn Jenner is a dumb fuck, there's no doubt about that. But he's saying she said she STILL a traditionalist and STILL opposed to gay marriage when she clearly said she was in the past but not anymore. Even if this guy WAS right, saying you want ALL of a group of people to act and think a certain way is a HUGE statement. Who are YOU to decide who is the greatest role model? Not to mention the fact that you have no idea who this guy really is. He could be a rapist or a murderer for all you know.
Caitlyn is not being dishonest I know what she meant she was talking about how she was raised. This has nothing to do with her sexuality or gender switch. Values taught during childhood are not easy to just brush off. She respectfully gave her opinion with no offense to anyone.
Estrogen wont change your voice. If trans females want to sound less "manly" they actually need to train their vocal cords. Testosterone will change the voice of a female permanently (like when cis women take steroids and they get roid voice) but it doesnt work the other way around with Estrogen
I don't think Bruce is talking so much about being against the rights of people, but more as expressing his own feelings that remain,and that is, marriage is the holy union of a man and woman. A very large number of people , who grew up with that concept throughout their lifetime , exist . You get all huffed and stomp your feet because its difficult for us to just do an aboutface, and start overnight welcoming men dressed as women into the bathroom at Denny's, so we don't to offend them. Come on! you want to infiltrate us with not just accepting your way of living, which doesn't bother me personally. What does is the part where you want immediate physical interaction and acceptance in our personal private spaces, where you have not been all our lives. Get it? What about MY RIGHTS?? I'm not used to John in a wig following my daughter into the bathroom.I don't trust all women just because they are female either.
passing this into law so quickly would also make it more appealing for creeps to get into the girls showers and bathrooms.When I say "John with a wig",who I'm really referring to is not a real transgender who lives that way permanently and it isn't obvious.but there are men who just toss a wig and lipstick on because they like it.And I have to worry that they qualify to be in womens' private quarters.
Society forced her to pretend to change her view and couldn't be questioned on just doing it for good PR because the extreme PC left calls you a bigot for daring to question somebody who isn't a straight white male
I agree with what you said to an extent, but is it really impossible for someone to just change their views? I used to be religious but now im an atheist, does that mean society forced me to change my views? Or was i just changing my view through my own experience?
Natboy129 That could of happened but you're not famous, unless you are hiding your identity, and being atheist doesn't get you credit within American society as a whole
Still, I dont think its fair to assume she cant change her views though, and considering shes transgender i wouldnt assume she was forced into changing her views.
LMAO! Bruce Jenner is soo confused and got everyone else confused as well! What world are we living in! Btw.. Caitlyn is a woman's name, and this guy is a man, a confused one, but a man!
I'm still gonna have my opinion regardless. All i can tell u is, i pray for HIM so he won't end up putting a bullet on his head! Because that's what the devil want him to do!
Lol! Good try! But if depends on me, u will be safe, i will never kill anybody or anything. I don't hate gays, i'm not a muslim! Jesus said to love the sinner, not the sin!
+Paulo Filho I believe in God, but the bible is bullshit. You're preaching hate, rather you know it or not. You're not an agent of God. You're nothing.
When Caitlin said "if you want to have the word marriage, I mean, I guess" Ellen should have fired back saying "you want people to call you Caitlin, right? Because using the word Bruce isn't the same thing as Caitlin just like civil unions aren't the same as marriages"
well said!! You could see how tense Ellen was when Caitlin said her hypocritical views. feeling very angry about this as Caitlyn has made herself a spokeswomen in the public eye which could be extended to include all individuals who haven't been accepted in their lives but with this kind of right wing limited views she is alienating everyone. Shocking. Ellen handled it very well
Right on! Bruce Jenner be crazy
+Eddy From Ed Edd n' Eddy but the funny thing is...caitlyn is actually attracted to women..not men....so she would rather date men than be gay
I don't think you understand transgenderism. It isn't about who you are attracted to (and whichever gender they may be), it's about one's own gender identity.
+Takeme Rightnow she never said anything about that...
I've never seen Ellen as uncomfortable as she was with Caitlyn.
+Belletaina Mean! XD
+Belletaina
Not funny. Grow up and in the meantime don.t make stupid comments.
I know right...
+Aish Siva It's Bruce! Who's Caitlyn???
if Ellen says the wrong thing her tv show will be taken away by a storm of "you're transphobic" tweets
When Caitlyn was saying that, Ellen was trying so hard not to make that wtf face...
Lauren bagel Notice how Bruce said at first, and then went in to say that his views have changed? That was a pretty clear “I support immorality”, so what’s everyone upset about?
Michael Caza-Schonberger stfu
Michael Caza-Schonberger kaitlyn* she* even she is being disrespectful pleaseee use proper pronouns
Ellen is right. Caitlyn was being condescending.
Jessica Spaetzel its name is bruce
This reminds me when in South Park Mr Garrison becomes anti-gay after going a sex reassignment surgery
That was hillarious.
Karl My Suitcase She even talks like Mr Garrison
+BillyPilgrim I'M NOT GAY I'M A WOMAN!!!!
Sp predicting the future again
+dick little as long as Richard Dawkins does not have "relations" with Ms Jenner I'll be ok I think
Yeah I'm sticking with Laverne Cox
Same, she is a much better representative of the trans community
+Ukaknir I agree, Laverne Cox is more of a lady than Jenner will ever be.
+Ukaknir Laverne is actually a female..I bet she won't ever fuck a woman , get married 3 times and have like 10 children.. that's not lady-like.
+Richie Bustamante cute attempts at trying to not sound transphobic.. baby steps i guess lol
+Mr. Gabe Yeah, see, that's the wrong approach. As progressives, the right attitude is to support her right to live acording to her gender identity even if she's enough of a douche to shit on othert's struggles.
The internet turned her into a hero when in reality shes just another Republican.
Sounds like a hero to me
+Chris Wallace Kyle from South Park was right, good on her for bringing some attention to trans rights, but there are far more deserving trans activists, that aren't selfish conservatives.
+Chris Wallace She's certainly gone right down in my estimations.
+Imgonnagogetthepapers getthepapers Uhm, her*. Not him. Its her.
+Imgonnagogetthepapers getthepapers I know. I am talking about Caitlyn.
do trans people have to support gay rights? no. caitlyn is a lesbian, right? she likes women. she is a woman. she married a woman. yet, she didn't support gay rights in the past? how does that make sense? surely, if she knew from an early age that she was a trans woman, regardless of living her life as a man/husband/father, deep down she would have come to accept the fact that she's a lesbian. and what homosexual person doesn't support homosexual rights?
Elina Buchan well one she waited to make her money and Fame and she waited until her parents past because apparently she wouldn't have been a very good tennis player being a woman or of the medicine that you would have to pay they would not allow her to play tennis for the Olympics but when you're in a closet in your famous you should come out on a lot of things you might support him behind closed doors but other than that if you're famous you shut your mouth
Nicholas Whoolery I wasn't talking about her fame or career. I was talking about her sexual orientation and views on homosexual rights. even if she did feel unable to transition in her early life, she KNEW she was a woman, and she liked women, therefore, she was always a lesbian. YET, she did not support lesbian marriage.
Michael Dust I'd say a screw's loose for sure
@@nicholaswhoolery9118
Her mother was still alive dumbass!
Do some research first next time!
@@nicholaswhoolery9118
Not to mention MOST of your comment makes no sense... Maybe learn how to proof read as well??
An anti-lesbian lesbian? Is that what she is? Anti-lesbian transgender lesbian. I'm getting a headache...
+JustinHenryfan I kind of lost my respect for her. When she came out, I was so happy that she can be herself, and that more people talk about transgender... and then this happened
+JustinHenryfan Jenner never said anything about being a lesbian. :/
He's still attracted to women, but apparently the LGBT community doesn't like that because I guess transgender people are supposed be gay? But what about the trans people who date the opposite sex/gender? Are they not counted because they are by definition "straight" and therefore not part of the movement?
Is there some law somewhere that says that all trans people have to support gay marriage or anything that has to do with lesbians or gays? If a guy wants to be a woman but still wants to date women, does that count as lesbianism? If a woman wants to be a man but is still attracted to men, does that count as gay?
So many questions....
+Veri Nyce Honey, if a man identifies herself as a woman, declares to the world that she's a woman therefore is a woman and if that woman is attracted to another woman, there by definition she is a lesbian. You're making it more complicated than it is. So that's why it's so weird, since she's asking the world to accept her for who she is, but then doesn't herself accept gays and lesbians as who they are. WTF!?
JustinHenryfan I don't think it's about accepting gays or lesbians, because at the end of the day, he doesn't have to accept it, it's a free country after all. But what I think it really boils down to is whether he himself accepts what he is now, his physical appearance might change, but his overall outlook on things did not.
I mean, if he really did this transition for himself and not as some publicity stunt, then what does it matter what his position in all this is? If he supports traditional marriage, people should be supportive of that, after all, if a transgender man and woman get married, wouldn't it count as traditional marriage because it's 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN by their own admission?
+Veri Nyce How do you mean? In this scenario, would Jenner be the man marrying the woman? (that's not possible since she has said that she's a woman, so it would be a woman marrying a woman) Or would Jenner be the woman marrying a man (not possible since she's attracted to women) aka SHE'S A LESBIAN,,, right?
Americans are so confused lol
About most things, seemingly.
As much as I usually attribute the worst aspects of America to the actions of the government, the culture itself is concerning.
Advice everyone should heed. To have your beliefs shaken by an idiot simply because they talk loudly is a sign you're closer to that state of being than you think (you in a general sense).
The people you're referring to are ignorant as you say, and so if one has considered and researched the topic in question, some nonsense rhetoric should be not more than a pebble against the gates of a well formed idea.
Don't feed the trolls; consider it enabling of their sociopathy. You don't want to be responsible for that, do you?
Liberal Americans yes. Those of us that aren't just keep our power-level hidden until these spergs turn on each other and destroy themselves. Then we can just enjoy believing what the fuck we want and not care that others do the same...even if we disagree.
yea no shit
Counter-Reformation Papal mind control in our churches, schools, and media have totally fucked our once excellent culture.
I said months ago that Jenner should not be seen as the poster child for the trans community, and this bit solidifies that.
Progressives are fucking stupid, don't be too surprised.
+StarFighters76 Well that's really up to the media, and the worse part is this will most likely get her more attention.
Rob McCune "He," use the proper pronoun, you dunce.
Hence why I think Laverne Cox deserves much more attention
+The American Imperialist "this will most likely get 'he' more attention." that's uh... that's what you wanted?
lmao
to listen to a "trans person" say they are a "traditionalist." wtf
I'm confused because Caitlyn is against gay marriage... but she says she likes women? she's a woman. she's a lesbian. unless she doesn't think she's a woman.. or unless I missed something and she said she likes men. I don't know.
+Haley Jackson Don't worry, confusion is the most reasonable way to respond to this attention seeking train wreck. Caitlyn Jenner is basically just a vague, poorly thought out concept and trying to make sense of it is trying to analyse a nonsensical joke.
+Santos Jezebel come on don't be prejudice
+Haley Jackson I think she's a rich lunatic, basically. She's insane, but has enough money to pay people to make her look like Lauren Bacall and can pay publicists to help her subject us all to this freak show.
+Michael Hendry Hey, watch it, Michael! I really liked and respected the late Lauren Bacall! Don't you be dragging her into this "freak show"!
it is a "wishy-washy" sick thing.
I find it HILARIOUS that she's a trans Conservative. You don't see that too often :P
It's also ironic af.
Because she's rich and doesn't want to pay taxes... It's all about the money.
"Batshit crazy she is." - Yoda.
SYNISTER 💯💯😂😂😂
Caitlyn Jenner is the worst kind of trans person. It takes courage to come out, and I respect her for doing it, and I respect her for transitioning, but I absolutely despise that she is considered to be such a role model for the LGBTQ+ community. She is incredibly privileged, and has lived her entire life that way. She gets to be rich, and white, and has spent most of her life as a male and has absolutely no idea what the common people go through. She lives in her own bubble and it's abundantly clear
Jalex Ones Chanel I really don’t understand what being white has to do with it but I dislike him as well. But if you ask me white privilege isn’t a things
@@hybridmagz white privilege is a thing in America, statistics don't lie
@@hybridmagz white privilege is definitely a thing tho...
@@katiehodgson6425 how so?
@@hybridmagz Haven't you heard of black lives matter protests? This is because a black person is more likely to be shot by the police (even if they are unarmed) than a white person is. They literally have to explain to people that their lives matter, white people dont have to do that because they aren't the ones being murdered on the daily by police for no reason.
as a "traditionalist"" he should have stuck to being a man.
funkyfiss Yes! Its contradicting her saying she's a "traditionalist" when she's a transgender.
I love how it's all about them and never about the rest of us.
+Stephenie Tabor Well that's basically what being a Republican is all about.
+Rob McCune Yes, I've really noticed. It's terrible that they won't except equality ever.
+Rob McCune Republican? Pushing the gay agenda is a liberal thing. Liberal worms need to blame someone else when their little pussy games backfire on them. Poor little misandric liberal worms are all butt hurt because Bruce Jenner really IS a man and back in the seventies, Bruce Jenner was THE man. Hopefully he will wake up.
I really hope you're joking.
Once again......the fucking balls on this chick. I am not sure if this is all an act just to get people to watch more by saying things that are controversial. If this, however, is not the case and Caitlyn REALLY feels like this then you have the PERFECT example of what it means to be a republican. It means to only care about yourself and the causes that have an affect on you. I hope it is all an act, because if not this goes to show why in our society people working hard are barely scraping by while some are living like royalty. This all stems from the fact that they feel entitled to it and they have no ability to imagine what it is like to be in someone else's shoes.
Real freedom is being able to to do what makes you happy as long as you do not harm someone else.
Then why are drugs illegal?
its worse, being a republican is promoting things that are BAD for you for the sake of people who spend their whole life looking down on you, all because god said so
I applaud you. Some one give this man a damn award!
+Mark G Guess you haven't learnt anything from events since the financial crisis. It's not what you do, it's how much money and power you have. There are 3 tiers of freedom in the US - 1 for the rich and powerful in which case you can do almost anything you like except for murdering people in broad daylight (maybe you can if you are in the military industrial complex), 1 for the average joe and 1 for poor people in which case you can be executed for next to nothing
Drugs are illegal because they are a tool for shaking down poor people, the issue has nothing to do with common sense or legality - why would those in power want to take away a useful tool they can use?
+ranger_gaming1126 I mean that for markg
+TheRedCapitalist ok true but if they're taking drugs and not hurting anyone whats the problem. Also for everyone who gets this reference from Ann coulter Uh ann alcohol is to get high the same as pot.
She's a traditionalist lmao yeah ok. Why don't you tell everyone that you were born a man, but decided to wear dresses, and high heels.
Oh wait....
Traditionalist my ass.
what's especially ironic is that she's lesbian.
So true LOL. Why is nobody but you and I acknowledging that?
+Mushroom Duck She still think she a dude
she didn't get the full transplant she is still a man
Al Malone Surgery doesn't make you a man or a woman.
+Cody Chase That is not the case for transgenders.
"I'm a traditionalist" well urmmmmmmmmm
It reminds me of gay Christians, there's just a disconnect there you can't make sense of.
***** No, because accepting science has nothing to do with whether or not there's a god. There are many scientists that are theists. They just don't accept the literal translation of their holy books. Being gay and Christian, is like belonging to PETA and working in a slaughter house.
+UncleAL I know gays who are Christian. Lots of Christians believe that love is love and who are we to judge it. Gays can believe in God just like anyone else can, just because one thing in a book written thousands of years ago by men say that being gay is wrong doesn't mean that they have to live their life like that. Lots of things in the bible are simply overlooked nowadays, like eating fish and wearing wool.
+Sonja M. And by calling them "homos" and judging them you are not following God either. Christians are supposed to love everyone without judgement
And try not to mistake someone warning you in the place of someone judging you which many constantly insist on doing in the super sensitive world of the homosexual. I'm called to warn by God, that is part of my duty. You also better get a clearer understanding of God's messengers judging and don't be so free to think that they can't do so...when God is going to put them in charge of judging too on Judgement Day.
Sonja M. I'm so glad I'm an atheist and grew out of these childish beliefs.
The best religion is: compassion.
That lady has a deep voice
Caitlyn needs helium.
+David “The Hippie Atheist” Dautintuser LMFAO!!
+Rico Suave She normally has regular "Bruce" voice, but it sounds like she's prissying it up.
Ha!
+Rico Suave You have no idea how stunned I was on hearing that voice.
As time goes by, I become less sympathetic to her and this interview cements that.
+Edgardo Peregrino Yeah, she's not very good person, that said I still have sympathy toward the bigotry she's faced, but nothing beyond that.
Rob McCune She still thinks that conservatives will accept her. Nope, in fact they see her as a pariah.
+Edgardo Peregrino I just hit rock bottom.
i will say again Caitlyn jenner does not speak for all tras-women period end of story.
Michelleena Betancourt-lanzo lol, Im black.
This guy is one big quack. How could anybody vote him as Lady of the year, when you have not been a lady for a year?
"He" is now *legally a "she"!* Asshole! Get the pronouns right!
Hahaa
@@barbaradalzell2597 no.
@@barbaradalzell2597 lmaoooo fuck no
Ellen say "So I know your very conservative." Bruce Jenner replies in full on drag/sex change mode "Yes".
Nothing could be more hysterical/sad.
+bryantppierce Totally agree.
i have lost all respect for Caitly Jenner. she is not a role model. but for the love of god, do not use trans slurs against her! she may be an idiot but it is not okay to do that!
+Liranamosh too fucking true, just seeing half this shit people post about it makes me want to shoot myself in the head with a 45.revolver
+Liranamosh Amen, LiranaMosh.
Call Caitlyn out for being a hypocrite and an idiot if you like, but don't say derogatory stuff about her trans status. That targets the wrong thing and shows intolerance towards the decent, honest trans people among us.
Caitlyn was being genuine and explained how her perspective had changed and she was now more accepting.
Stop and listen to what she actually said.
Classic left wing hypocrisy that you can’t be honest, but have to 100 percent in agreement with what is considered correct verbiage.
This kind of all or nothing perspective is divisive and doesn’t help anybody.
It looks like Ellen's interview didn't go as expected. lol. I felt that a bit of Bruce was coming through in Caitlyn's interview.
Ikr
There is no Caitlyn. Only a man in drag.
Hahaahah. Ellen wanted different answers. Gosh!
Drag is an outdated and confusing practice. I'd like to hear of it's merits as a form of art. It reminds me of blackface.
Uhhh....she is still the same person. Changing your physical gender doesn't make you a democrat or whatever over night. She is that hard working master of the Olympian world. Same same. SHes a person not a cause, and an regular person with unique and non stats quo beliefs. SHe is not whole heartedy for gay marriage. so what. Dosent change my vote about it. Why do we all have to agree with each other all of the time??? we will never get ANYTHING done polarized like that. We have to be in the middle...ya know...in reality ....where we all live. Check the whole left right bulshit and stuff.. Good point....she still is bruce....she is the same soul/person etc. just a woman now or whatever. Gladto hear someone speak their mind honestly. Ellen asked...ellen got an answer...period. SUck it up. SHe is a person not a platform. Fuck em all Caitlin. THis is the US which you LOVE. They all pushed for your transition but woil now hsun you because you are not a spokes woman. Fuck em. Im a democrat and a lesbian and I am not for gay marriage. Are you all confused. OORRRRR do you want to mind your fucking business, get a job and go live and vote BOTH with your head up. Fuck em. I like your comment though really. Thanks.Just a typo ramble...you know how those gp.
in other words that Caitlyn means.. if you have money you can be Republican and trans..
Why are you all overreacting? She distinctly said that she felt negatively about it about 15-20 years ago, but now she's for it and doesn't wanna stand in front of anyones happiness. Like calm down.
+Chad K I think you're getting it wrong. She did not come out 'feverishly opposing gay marriage', but what she did say was offensive. ESPECIALLY as a person of the LGBTI community. She said that she was against it 15-20 years ago, and that now "IF THAT WORD MEANS SO MUCH TO YOU" then I'm kinda maybe somewhat okay with it. The reason people are upset about it is because she is advocating to be a "HER" and not a "HE", but Ellen and other liberals never said, well yeah "well if being called a WOMAN is so important to you, I can get my head around it". That's because it isn't right. And more than anything why people are MAD is because she is a massive hypocrite who goes around talking about the struggle of being a trans person and doesn't take a second to think about the struggle of being gay. She only cares about herself and her rights and other people's rights can get stuffed. So NO, people are not overreacting to what she said, people are reacting in the exact way in which her response should be reacted to.
+beck hartman
Chad K Just to clarify, I would call her a hypocrite if she said she isn't all for "affirmative actions for blacks". Because that shows a complete lack of empathy.
Because, let me be clear, myself and many others could never have a true idea as to how difficult it is to come out as a gay person or a trans person. Yet I and so many others have enough empathy to understand someone else's struggle.
So for her to go on and on about her struggle
(which is real) and then give no shit about someone else's (be it black people or gay people or anyone else for that matter) makes her a HYPOCRITE.
And just FYI I have no problem with her political affiliations, but when you are sitting down with probably the most iconic person of the gay community, and come across as not completely comfortable with the concept of gay marriage, but is willing to concede on it, that is plain disgusting (Even Ellen, one of the most easygoing and kind people ON THIS PLANET was offended by this). I wonder what she would have answered, if the interview was with someone else rather than with Ellen.
Chad K It takes someone with very little knowledge about the UNIQUE history of black people in America to say that supporting affirmative action is having different standards based on skin colour, hence racism.
I am assuming you know that black people were held as slaves for generations, and that this resulted in a MASSIVE set back in their community. Also, yes I know that the slaves were freed a while back, but I also know that the cycle of poverty is one that is very hard to break.
Kids born into poverty face a MUCH MUCH steeper climb, than anyone else, and when a whole community is disenfranchised to an enormous extent, it becomes more and more difficult to make that climb out of poverty. These are just the facts.
Factor in unequal sentencing and unequal policing, and the climb is next to impossible.
THAT is why there is affirmative action for black people. Not because they are given a free pass. It is because their struggle is UNIQUE, and hence requires a different course of action.
And I love your assumption that I'm reacting like this because she is a republican. I knew she was a republican WHEN SHE CAME OUT AS TRANS. I couldn't care less. Her political affiliations are for her. But what she said wasn't right. Don't think Ellen herself was offended? Go check out what she said to Howard Stern about this.
Oh and Caitlyn proved my point again, when she said recently that trans people need to look more like the gender they identify with. She said that they need to have the right surgeries and dress in a very feminine/masculine way, so they portray themselves correctly. And that if they don't, it makes others uncomfortable.
This woman forgets how privileged she was coming out as a trans person, and that most people don't have the same resources/money and support that she got.
So to say that, AGAIN shows a complete lack of empathy about anything or anyone other than her own self.
Don't believe this is real, google it and read her comments yourself.
Caitlynn Jenner-Kanye West 2020.
NOOOOO. That is no joke...it.s like joking about dead babies. You just don.t go there... I.m scerred now 🍸
+Lee Reynolds Oh dear god. Your remark will certainly give me nightmares for some time now. LOL !!!!!!
donbsea I apologize!
+Lee Reynolds At least Kanye makes good music, even if he's a douchebag, he's not a hypocritical republican nut job.
Asheek Khan I dig some of his tunes, and as an artist he does--very occasionally--make some good social commentary. But, he's not that bright, and he doesn't know much about politics. He thinks Ben Carson is an intelligent candidate. That tells us enough.
It's kinda funny becaue Katilyn Jenner has said that she is a lesbian...
is she okay???
Oh well, it's just egocentric and it happens all the time, black hetero men very preoccupied about racism but at the same time being extremely sexist and anti-gay (because it doesn't affect them:). I've seen Polish people in the UK very angry about how they are being discriminated against by English people and in the next sentence saying the worst racist slurs about Pakistanis. Sigh..
That family is truly sick, not because she is a trans, because of their obsession with the spotlight/money.
you know who else is lazy? celebrity families who earn money simply for existing
So Caitlin's against gay marriage yet she's a grown ass man sitting there in a dress 😂 lol now that's irony
and how do gay marriage go along with a man in dress?.
I thought it just seemed like she was saying she used to be against it but has been swayed over time.
+Jesse Francis Okay I'm not the only one who thought that. I'm having a hard time understanding where the outrage is coming from...
+Drewzymandias You have been watching the vlogbrothers recently?
No the fact that she knew she was a woman trapped in a man's body for decades and still had traditional views back then is very contradictory. She also seems pretty iffy on the subject right now.
Gal Axy
Just because she had that feeling then doesn't mean she accepted it at that time. I think her traditional views kept that part of her suppressed until she was finally able to get past it and come out. If she was out at the time and fully accepting of herself and also saying she disapproved of gay rights then it would be contradictory.
***** Oh well it's because Hank Green (one of the vlogbrothers) recently made a video called 'Addicted to Outrage'
This is the face of the transgeder rights movement?
Find someone else.
why do u have a microphone on your cheek and also talk to a big microphone?
lmao
Clear audio. If one fucks up you can just keep talking. Eliminates editing
+macius sean Same reason young adults walk around with fur coats. Instincts. It makes them seem like someone who killed some beast and wears it as a trophy. Same with technology, instincts take over and interpret it as ''shiny'' and ''trophy to wear on mah face.''
+ULTIMATEGAMEDUDE it's actually because he runs a podcast lmao.
+Don't No Podcast? Nonono. S-h-i-n-y. xD
I was born biologically male but my brain says Im a Unicorn what bathroom do I go to?
The sex of the unicorn you believe you are, also you might want to get a mental evaluation if you think your a magical creature.
Gente ignorante como está a cerca sobre la orientación sexual de alguien. Que claramente tiene su sexualidad más definida y segura a la de este ignorante.
nobody cares
You got to the bathroom out in the field like every other four legged animal.
The one in a psychiatric hospital. Only.
Anyone else sick and tired of Caitlyn? 😒
Yeah that sick person needs to go to hell!!!
I am republican but I completely support gay marrige
*THANK YOU!!!*
I am an independent, but I have plenty of family who are Republican! *MOST* (not all- we have a few 70-90+ yr olds who dnt understand) are fully supportive of gay rights and transgender rights.
But, I've also got a few gay, lesbian, and even one trans family member...
So, idk if that's what changed their minds or if they always felt that way.
Tea , many do. That’s just a response liberals give. But the truth is, most republicans support gays.
Marriage is between a man and a woman end of story
@@MommaWolf1967
Hahahaha!
That's funny! Maybe you should state that as an *OPINION AND NOT A FACT, SINCE THE FACT IS; MEN MARRY MEN, AND WOMEN MARRY WOMEN EVERYDAY!*
So how is that "Marriage is between a man and a woman period!"??? Lmao!!
Could you be any more dumb?! Seriously?!?
There are thousands of same sex marriages and in a few yrs there will be millions!
So, I mean it dnt matter how you feel or what you think about it! It's happening and it's only going to continue to happen!
Ppl who are in love and adults have every right to do whatever they want in order to prove their love to each other and be happy. You're not God! You're nothing more than a bigot! You are no one and nothing!
Lol!
See ya sweetie! 😘
Brittany Rozenberg Hollander nobody asked you.
Transgender Conservative sounds like an oxymoron
Friendly fire is not tolerated.
IT'S ONLY WHEN THINGS AFFECT THEM PERSONALLY THAT IT THEN MATTERS
he is creepy.
***** all natural.
As a gay person I'd like to point out that I was not accepting of myself for a very long time. I too was afraid of gay marriage and wanted to hold onto tradition. If we don't see ourselves in people we will never be able to reach them. Caitlyn Jenner is not a hypocrite she's not saying she's against gay marriage while speaking for trans rights. She's obviously still uncomfortable with it but supports it. Being LGBT doesn't mean we all think the same way on all issues. I think what she is trying to show is being trans is not being gay. Trans people are always lumped up with the gay community and she wants to show that this is an entirely different experience. Most trans people do not see themselves as gay but heterosexuals. So they may sympathize with gays but they don't always relate to gay people.
Most trans women are lesbians.
One of the only times I like Ellen…. I am a trans human being and I’m also pansexual. It’s disgusting to me that she can think this way like so is it OK for her to know get married to a man???? Because she’s transitioned??? But if she transitioned, and she still was attracted to women, then she wouldn’t get married to them or(I have a sneaking suspicion. This is the case.) she’s literally just homophobic and thinks it’s wrong if she wanted to be with a woman lmfaoo… yet she wants people to not be transphobic?? Man the internalized hate is heavy over here😭😭🙃🙃
I think you pretty much stole the words out of my mouth, everything you said was so "spot on" and I couldn't agree more, I'd love to show more people this video, you make a really great point
I feel like Caitlin actually doesn't care about trans issues...really more so just about able to make ur own choice in individual autonomy. I wouldn't call her hypocrite just not a activitist even for issues dealing with her own causes...prob cause she has $$$ to fall back on and her age has factor as well.
wow really think i didn't have any opinion on this shyt
Caitlyn for lack of of a better word is what is being called "white feminism", basically what interests you are your rights, not anyone else''s.
The trans issue is this, they will be cast into the lake of fire Rev 21-8.
I get being a little upset about this, but seriously guys, you're over reacting. Caitlyn never said she is against gay marriage, she said she was. She did seem iffy when saying she's behind it, but there's something you need to understand here... if you don't believe me, look this shit up. When a trans person hides their true gender identity for so long and takes decades to come to self acceptance, it is a mental battle that does take a toll on that person. Most people just become bitter, depressed, and angry, but look in Caitlyn's case. Not only did she hide this for so long, but she did everything to hold the perfect image of a man, and you bet your fucking ass this would turn you into a monster against anything that isn't yourself. If this were "Bruce" talking, she would have said bad things against gay marriage, and she'd be spewing other nasty shit, but she's trying. You're really going to fault her for attempting to remove her flaws and now try to be better?
What pisses me off most is all of the comments made here, saying trans people are against gays. Oh fuck off. I've seen far more gay people against trans people than the other way around. I am a trans person, and I've been bullied by gay people, I wasn't allowed to use the women's restroom in an LGBT support group, I was kicked out of an LGBT support group for "not being LGBT enough", etc. You never fucking hear about gay people mistreating trans people, and you know why? Because the actions of a few are not the actions of everyone. The gay community isn't a single fucking organism. So why are you now saying the trans community is against gay marriage, when *one* trans person says she used to be against it? Jesus fucking Christ.
I took it as she's coming from the position of having presented as a man who was/is a staunch traditionalist and the idea of not standing in the way of people's happiness over a word was the argument that changed her mind. Ellen was asking how can you be a Republican when Republicans are so against you and she pretty bluntly told us about the shift that happened in her thinking and coming from where she's been is what allows her to tolerate people who don't tolerate her.
I disagree with your opinion. I'm a traditionalist but I support gay marriage 😊
+Gisselle Penaloza You are so smart, based on that statement. = ableist. Your dumb ass can't spell without autocorrect "abelist " lmao
+Gisselle Penaloza word compression; starts early. You should join my 4th grade ELA class
+Loxy Bliss Ok thanks for the advice, and If you haven't realised I wasn't being serious I was joking. Maybe it wasn't funny to you and I can understand that. I'll take those 4th grade MLA classes maybe I'll be able to read my favorite childhood books again. :)
Then you support a lie and you will face the lake of fire along with them and all those like you Rev 21-8.
When you face God you will have to explain to him why you stood against his law forbidding the act of homosexuality then scream, cry, and yell in terror when you are cast into the lake of fire Rev 21-8, people, like you, think your opinion is above God's condemnation of this unnatural act...I've got news for you, it doesn't, God is the one who says the homosexual will not enter the kingdom of heaven 1 Cor 6;9-11, your foolish support and opinion won't matter, it is what is, no argument, no debate, just the consequences, meaning you and your foolish support will be cast into the lake of fire with them, that is written, it's up to you, your blood is on your own hands Lev 20:13.
i think your being a little too hard on Caitlyn in regards to the interview. she stated that currently, she accepts it now.
That's just Kyle's style.
I've never heard Bruce/Caitlyn voice before. That shit is hilarious
Caitlyn never said she was against gay marriage, she said she had reservations about it before but now she feels nobody should stand in the way of someones happiness. And it's crappy how other people just hear what they want to hear. I guess Ellen, and everybody else, has a hard time accepting it because Cate doesn't feel it with the same intensity as Ellen. But I would expect that a person who is by profession a show host would have more emotional and social intelligence to understand that some people may struggle more with reconciling their conservative upbringing and liberal views. You can see she instinctively feels she shouldn't be for it, but she can also reason herself out of opinions she was brought up with.
this world is disturbing...
that's republican hypocrisy at its greatest level.
THIS VIDEO OPENED MY EYES. I love everything you said in this video. You are 100 % right.
I wanna thank you for standing up for everyone, it means alot ur awesome.
Transgender conservative? I've seen it all now.
Seriously the dude in the green shirt needs to get a grip. Why does everyone have to agree with same sex marriage? I'm just excited and pleased to think that I can marry my partner, regardless of gender. I don't need the approval of the whole world in order for my marriage to be worth something. Gay people really need to get a grip and stop shouting 'homophobia' just because someone doesn't agree 100% with something, it devalues the word and devalues those who have truly experienced homophobia. Chips are for deep fat friers, not for shoulders people.
Thank you! Why isn't every fifth comment in here saying the same thing? This guy's channel must be some hell hole of an echo chamber. It's so blatantly obvious how stupid this video is.
I smiled when Caitlyn said "I don't ever want to stand in front of anybody's happiness."
Lol, "I'm a traditionalist and marriage has always been between a man and a woman." Two things wrong here. One, Caitlyn is a lesbian, two if we're talking about tradition, traditionally people never used to change their gender.
Stumbled upon this channel and I love it! Great content!!!
There is no such a thing as female or male brain...
Its medically proven that there is lol
Right? Honestly I don't really understand why people STILL think wearing a dress makes you a girl and wearing a suit makes you a guy. I'm a girl, with a vagina, who doesn't: paint her nails, wear makeup, wear heels, wear dresses, wear skirts, do her hair fawn over boys, etc etc. But that doesn't mean I'm not a female. And I don't understand people who say they "feel like" a girl or a boy. What does it feel like to feel like a girl to them? They love pink and love talking about beauty and wear dresses? Because I'm a girl yet don't do any of that, and I honestly think it just creates gender roles when someone born with a penis puts on a dress and says they're a woman because they're wearing a dress. I think guys should just be able to wear dresses, and girls can wear suits. I'm extremely liberal in all of my political views, yet on a personal level, I truly can not understand this. I understand a boy wanting to wear a dress, but I don't understand why that would make him a girl.
+Kate And I've tried for months to figure this out and I just don't understand it. On a political level, I think transgender people are fine and I hope they are happy, but on a personal level it makes zero sense to me.
Kate This is exactly our point. We are Women, even before surgery. Because Women are Women. We dont need to do "feminine" things to feel like a female because you just know when youre a women. There are many "masculine" Transgender Women who are considered not "feminine" enough because they do "male" things like video games etc. Or they get told that they look female but their nose look masculine. Which is stupid because no cis women has 100% female attributes. Wearing a dress does not make me a woman. And I was stil a girl when I was wearing boys clothes etc.
+byefelicia Trans people have different brains than non-trans people. Their brains are wired like their biological gender; but they have differences in how they process information similarly to how a schizophrenic person's brain activity differs.
You can tell a civilization is ready for collapse when it becomes degenerate. We have a man who became a woman and we idolized this person and awarded him/her with courage awards and we listen to this person counsel? Oh and look at our music and media see how far we have fallen. We're doomed.
You're stupid af
+MrTonytocs Egyptian Empire, Babylonian Empire and Roman Empire.
Veri Nyce It doesn't have shit to do with a man fucking another man lmfao how can people be this dumb.
MrTonytocs That would depend on what you mean by "it". If you're referring to the topic of this video, then yes. However, my comment was referring to Rick Rouse's statement about our once great civilization being on the brink of collapse.
I apologize if you somehow found my comment insulting to what little intelligence you seem to have, I was merely giving you some examples of what once were the greatest and most powerful nations in human history.
The Egyptian Empire
The Babylonian Empire
The Roman Empire
Where are they now?
They're gone.
Destroyed and torn asunder with their remnants stuck on display behind glass at a museum.
History has certainly shown that when a nation becomes as powerful or exceeds the power of the previous empires, a disastrous collapse of that nation is almost inevitable.
In lame mans terms: The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
No, it's people like you who symbolize civilization's downfall. When the people evolve faster than the civilization, and some fall in line with the civilization's views which demonize the new and interesting types of people, that is when it falls in on itself, with those who hate needlessly fighting against the rights of those in pain, those who did nothing to deserve hatred. As a transmasculine person of somewhat indeterminate gender, I am more a man than you, because the measure of a man is not battles won, not women slept with, not children had, but the compassion in his heart for his fellow humans. You clearly have not the compassion to love your fellow humans enough to get past the flesh body in which we are caged, wanting nothing more than the freedom we deserve.
I honestly don’t understand everyone’s confusion about Caitlin’s views. She grew up in a COMPLETELY different generation. Twice or three times removed from most of you commenting right now. She had just come out as a trans person during the time of this interview. She took so long because of her views growing up and her generation’s old fashioned beliefs. You can’t expect someone to become “woke” overnight. Yes, she’s trans but she is slowly coming into understanding about everything that that means. She made the acceptance to same-sex marriage and she was being authentically vulnerable with Ellen about what a journey that was for her. Instead of ridiculing her, why not praise her for the leaps and bounds she has made into being a progressive person despite her age, generation, and political background. Wow. Most of you have no compassion on this thread and yet you accuse Caitlin of being hypocritical? That is hypocrisy! Disgusting. Do better.
Conservative Republicans must be the most delusional people on earth.
Caitlyn Jenner represents the party platform PERFECTLY. 😅
This dude is insane. Oh, sorry. I meant. He's brave and a hero.
"Stunning & Brave"
+Gurren Zero please respect her being trans even though she is wrong just be the bigger peron
That is one very confused man.
Caitlyn is getting alot of attention over her position on this issue. Maybe that is what she wants.
Who cares what either of them thinks.
I fully agree with Kyle and @Terios 2 Shes alienated most of the trans community. Even in different countries they hate her and some of the people I know would attack and kill her on sight. She doesn't represent us, shes a insult to the community and fully shes on her own. Most of my friends and I cheered when we heard some trans girls ran into her and started calling her out. Full on, shes facing a full mob.
I will be honest I find hit bloody hard to see Caitlyn Jenner as a woman she just doesn't look like a woman to me. This is comeing from someone how has a trans girlfriend.
Rockerblue Lee u strickly wanted to trigger someone xD
if the word marriage is important to u well i don't know Kaitlyn is the word she important to u
basically i always explain this to liberals.....its not surprising for a gay , trans or bisexual person to be conservative...remember conservatism to a large extent is about limiting government so if a LGBT person wants lower taxes, more gun rights and so on they will identify as conservative even though on
one single issue the conservative party wont be for them. Similarly liberals and leftists who dont know my political views often assume im liberal simply because im an atheist....but no i rather small government in most cases and since i agree with american conservatives with alot ill side with them even though they may be theocratic on some policies which i disagree with.
hahaha I rarely LOL, but I did when he/she said "I'm a traditionalist..." very funny
why can't all americans be like this person?..
Like who?
The person who made this video?
That sad that you wish that because TOO MANY Americans are like him, twisting people's words to die their argument. Caitlyn Jenner is a dumb fuck, there's no doubt about that. But he's saying she said she STILL a traditionalist and STILL opposed to gay marriage when she clearly said she was in the past but not anymore. Even if this guy WAS right, saying you want ALL of a group of people to act and think a certain way is a HUGE statement. Who are YOU to decide who is the greatest role model? Not to mention the fact that you have no idea who this guy really is. He could be a rapist or a murderer for all you know.
Be like what?
This guy was dumb af
THUMB'S UP IF *YOUR FATHER* KNOWS *HE'S* A *MAN!!*
Muff Diver my father is trans and my son is trans but I'm not
Fuck off
If I had a dad
Caitlyn is not being dishonest I know what she meant she was talking about how she was raised. This has nothing to do with her sexuality or gender switch. Values taught during childhood are not easy to just brush off. She respectfully gave her opinion with no offense to anyone.
Why does Catlyns voice still sound like Bruce ?
Estrogen wont change your voice. If trans females want to sound less "manly" they actually need to train their vocal cords. Testosterone will change the voice of a female permanently (like when cis women take steroids and they get roid voice) but it doesnt work the other way around with Estrogen
ABC ABC cause Caitlyn is a man lol. Only so much doctors can do
bruce*
Thank you so much for putting into words the frustration I was feeling while listening to her
"Who do i date" is no bigger an issue for trans people than cis people. Sexuality and gender are unrelated.
Yo he/she got flamed for this 😭💀
Who is this big foot?
😂😂
Bruce Jenner is a Goddamn nut job freak! It wanted to be Ted Cruz spokesperson! Go take some more drugs you fuckin freak!
I don't think Bruce is talking so much about being against the rights of people, but more as expressing his own feelings that remain,and that is, marriage is the holy union of a man and woman. A very large number of people , who grew up with that concept throughout their lifetime , exist . You get all huffed and stomp your feet because its difficult for us to just do an aboutface, and start overnight welcoming men dressed as women into the bathroom at Denny's, so we don't to offend them. Come on! you want to infiltrate us with not just accepting your way of living, which doesn't bother me personally. What does is the part where you want immediate physical interaction and acceptance in our personal private spaces, where you have not been all our lives. Get it? What about MY RIGHTS?? I'm not used to John in a wig following my daughter into the bathroom.I don't trust all women just because they are female either.
forasec, you have some very good points
This is on point. They kept insisting about their rights what about the others..
passing this into law so quickly would also make it more appealing for creeps to get into the girls showers and bathrooms.When I say "John with a wig",who I'm really referring to is not a real transgender who lives that way permanently and it isn't obvious.but there are men who just toss a wig and lipstick on because they like it.And I have to worry that they qualify to be in womens' private quarters.
Immortality rules in America, that this country is doomed.
Bruh at 2:16 he said he was trans but then said he was traditional LMFAO😂😂
It still looks like a man to me loool
Didnt she say she changed her view though?
Yes! This dude needs to get over it already.
Society forced her to pretend to change her view and couldn't be questioned on just doing it for good PR because the extreme PC left calls you a bigot for daring to question somebody who isn't a straight white male
I agree with what you said to an extent, but is it really impossible for someone to just change their views? I used to be religious but now im an atheist, does that mean society forced me to change my views? Or was i just changing my view through my own experience?
Natboy129 That could of happened but you're not famous, unless you are hiding your identity, and being atheist doesn't get you credit within American society as a whole
Still, I dont think its fair to assume she cant change her views though, and considering shes transgender i wouldnt assume she was forced into changing her views.
LMAO! Bruce Jenner is soo confused and got everyone else confused as well! What world are we living in! Btw.. Caitlyn is a woman's name, and this guy is a man, a confused one, but a man!
who cares wy are you worried about what SHE wants to identify as.
I'm still gonna have my opinion regardless. All i can tell u is, i pray for HIM so he won't end up putting a bullet on his head! Because that's what the devil want him to do!
dont go shooting up any night clubs mate.
Lol! Good try! But if depends on me, u will be safe, i will never kill anybody or anything. I don't hate gays, i'm not a muslim! Jesus said to love the sinner, not the sin!
+Paulo Filho I believe in God, but the bible is bullshit. You're preaching hate, rather you know it or not. You're not an agent of God. You're nothing.
Kaitlyn sounds like she regrets it already.
Where is his lady voice?
This was an excellent video and I agree with everything you stated in it! Keep it up!
Kyle why don't you run for president ? .....come on ....you got my vote :D
He's not 35
+Ottery Otter LOL!
+Ottery Otter thanks for that. Choked on a lung oh my
"I'm a traditionalist." says Kim K's step dad. Bwahahahahaha