Understanding the Lost Cause Myth
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- The Lost Cause Myth has changed American history. Though it is a hateful ideology today, to ignore it is to give it power. We must understand the myth in order to defeat it.
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Wiki: The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American pseudo-historical,[1][2] negationist ideology which holds the view that the cause of the Confederacy during the American Civil War was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle which was primarily waged in order to save the Southern way of life,[3] or to defend "states' rights", in the face of overwhelming "Northern aggression." At the same time, the Lost Cause minimizes or completely denies the central role of slavery in the buildup to and outbreak of the war.
Particularly intense periods of Lost Cause activity occurred around the time of World War I, as the last Confederate veterans began to die out and a push was made to preserve their memories, and they also occurred during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, in reaction to growing public support for racial equality. Through activities such as building prominent Confederate monuments and writing school history textbooks, they sought to ensure that future generations of Southern whites would know about the South's "true" reasons for fighting the war, and support white supremacist policies, such as Jim Crow laws. In this manner, white supremacy is a characteristic of the Lost Cause narrative.[4]
The Lost Cause narratives typically portray the Confederacy's cause as a noble one and they also portray its leaders as exemplars of old-fashioned chivalry, who were defeated by the Union armies through numerical and industrial force that overwhelmed the South's superior military skill and courage. Proponents of the Lost Cause movement also condemned the Reconstruction that followed the Civil War, claiming that it had been a deliberate attempt by Northern politicians and speculators to keep the South down. The Lost Cause theme has also evolved into a major element in defining gender roles in the white South, in terms of preserving family honor and chivalrous traditions.[5] The Lost Cause has inspired numerous Southern memorials and religious attitudes
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@@lilboyblue3000 Don't buy that argument. The Corwin Amendment was a proposed amendment to the Constitution designed by Northern lawmakers as a last ditch compromise to avoid war. Basically, if it had been ratified, it would have indefinitely prohibited the federal government from legally interfering with the practice of slavery in the states *where it existed at the time* (remember that, it's important). The South almost uniformly rejected the amendment and it was not ratified.
So the Lost Cause line is "If the war was really about slavery, why didn't the South just take the deal?" This is highly misleading. Southern states seceded not just to preserve slavery, *but to expand it* to the territories. That had been their aim for decades. They feared that if new slave states were not admitted to the Union, they would be overwhelmed in government by an huge Republican majority.
The Corwin Amendment wasn't the North folding to Southern demands. It was one last attempt at a compromise before the shit really hit the fan, and it directly pertained to the primary reason for secession - slavery.
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@@CynicalHistorian The revolutionary Karl Marx observed, “The new world has never achieved a greater triumph than by this demonstration that, given its social and political organisation, ordinary people can achieve feats which only the heroes could achieve in the old world.”
The South: starts the war by attacking Fort Sumter. Also the South: Calls the war the War of Northern Aggression.
@@yankeeintensifies6505 hahah the comment was deleted
And their victim mentality lasts to this day.
@@benweir987 oh god, they are so desperate to be victim. It's almost like they're victim of victim mentality.
It was the war of northern aggression......
After the southern aggression
@@dannyray3955 No it was not. The South fired first. The South left the union because they wanted to preserve slavery. You are either intentionally dishonest or brainwashed.
I disagree with your stance on leaving these monuments where they are. They are in positions of veneration, when they don't deserve that. Put them in a museum to be studied, not in the town square
@@rjtheripper931 Exactly.
I agree. Statues are not how we record and remember history, they're how we venerate and glorify pieces of it.
You don't see statues of Hitler in Germany after all...
@@rjtheripper931 in actuality they were put there to say F you to black people specifically. When you say, “people of color” it erases that basic fact. Thus, it denies black people their suffering.
Also, considering blacks were called “coloreds” at one point as a derogatory term, most of us don’t like to refer to ourselves as such.
That's precisely what i've been saying for months. I'm unfortunately getting the short end of the stick tho and am finding a lot of people who want the statues to be destroyed :/.
@@ragingshibe Why is that a problem? These statues are celebrating people who killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in an attempt to preserve Slavery. Then, a large majority of the statues were erected for the purpose of intimidating Black residents and inciting racial ideologies and violence. We dont see Germany erecting statues of Hitler and Nazis, so why are Americans so proud about erecting statues of literally treasonous racists who killed Americans?
Speaking as a southerner with multiple ancestors who fought for the Confederacy, I can tell you how alluring the Lost Cause myth is. We southerners are a fiercely proud people, and it's far easier to bury your head in the sand and tell yourself that actually the Confederacy was cool than it is to accept that your ancestors fought for something monstrous, both during the war and during the Jim Crow era. This is especially true when so much of the Southern identity is tangled up in the Civil War and slavery. I fervently hope that we can start to accept the past, and in so doing let go of it and focus on who we want to be in the future.
speak for yourself buddy, someone are proud of what we fought for; freedom, honor and God
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 That's an odd way to describe fighting to preserve slavery forever.
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Freedom: The slaver army that seceded after the democratic election of an anti-slavery president... fighting for freedom? What a joke.
Honor: Many of the soldiers of the slaver army renounced their oaths to the Constitution, and attacked United States soldiers. And they did this to enslave black people forever. Their dishonor is eternal. That's why their monuments are being taken down, and will continue to be.
God: The only religion under attack, was their worship of an oppressive socioeconomic hierarchy.
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 that's what every soldier would like to think they fight for, never admitting it's for money, oppression or because they've been brainwashed
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 It was about people wanting to own other people as a piece property. Stop lying to yourself.
It’s unfortunate that America follows the Japanese “it didn’t happen” or “not our fault” approach to dark history instead of the German “it happened, we aren’t proud of it but we will teach it” approach.
Which America?
It's truly bizarre, I've been to Japan several times and it seems there's a huge historical gap between the Ido Restoration and the atomic bombs. Japan's inability to acknowledge war crimes is still a huge issue in Asia and the Pacific.
In the Northwest it's fully tought however I can say the entire Dixie Culter is shown as a vile thing that must be corrected. The South here is often seen as Traitors to Liberty.
Yeah, it really does depend on who taught you as you were growing up, and whether or not you hold on to your beliefs. It's gotten to the point where certain people have practically deified the Confederacy. What can you say victim mentality may be pathetic, but if used correctly you can manipulate people to agree with you.
See i live in texas, and when i was in school we were taught that the civil war was mainly about slavery, ao idk what schools teach blatent lies.
Fun fact: The various declarations of secession talked so much about slavery that they utterly exhausted the South's stockpile of the word "slavery" to the point where their history schoolbooks have to strictly ration it to this day.
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While anti-slavery Lincoln was lukewarn on emancipation. The fact 7 of the 11 Confederate States seceded before he was inaugurated should be a sign. Not to mention it was the CSA who shot at Fort Sumter first should be another sign at who was the aggressor.
@@SouthernGentleman Grant's wife inherited two slaves from her slave owning family and he freed them. The US Constitution only had a provision to ban import of new slaves while the Confederate Constitution had an entire article on slavery including no restrictions on the right to own slaves and if the CSA got new territory slavery would be legal there.
@@SEAZNDragon Slavery also was not a profitable business. Food, clothing and Shelter for Slaves that complied with the few rules there were cost so much, that the only part of a slaveholding plantation in any size but the largest ones, that brought profits was raising new slaves to sell on the market. Which meant the slaveholders NEEDED slavery to expand to new states that got admitted tot he union or they would be broke in one or two generations. THAT was what drove them off. They hoped once the CSA was established they either could take over much of the unorganized West of the USA too and establish slavery to save them for another 50 years or they might even make a try at Mexico to do the same there. That it would run into an economical wall anyway, just a few years later seems to never have passed their minds.
On the other hand that also means that once the slaves were freed most only were able to get employed to starvation wages on their former plantations now as hired labor... which is the part of Cypher's "myth" where it goes uncomfortably to a good number of slaves DID have it better before they were freed as nobody saw a need to pay them well enough to have a similar or better standing than before. It caused the large scale resettlement to the north in areas like Chicago or Detroit, New York or Washington that created the mostly black cities there that now are held up as symbols for mismanaged cities (ignoring the manifold reasons for that, reducing it in a racist way to "it's only the skincolor"). But many of the landowners that now had lost their slaves had not much of a chance as they did not have money to pay better either. A lot of slave owners were anything but stinking rich themselves and as i wrote before, the only part really throwing off profits for most slave businesses was selling "more" slaves, where should it therefore come from when they now didn't even have slaves to sell?
Southern Gentleman through his wife’s estate. Also, EVERY constitution mentions slavery, and states it as it’s reason for leaving
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As someone who grew up in both of the Carolinas, my favorite response to all those who claimed “the Civil War was really about states rights” was always:
“Yes, you’re right, it was absolutely about the Confederate State’s right to own slaves.”
Exactly. Well done. MRHB.
The Civil War was fought over slavery, yes, that part cannot be denied. But we have to also remember that it wasn't just about the South wanting to keep slaves. The main ideology for the South wasn't necessarily about keeping slaves, but rather expanding slavery to new territories. The reason why we have the Lost Cause Myth is because when the South lost the Civil War they desperately needed to work on their image. So they told the narrative that the Civil War was about State's Rights to keep it vague. After the Civil War their one true objective was to change everyone's mind on what the Civil War was fought over, to make themselves look like the victims to a tyrannical government threatening their rights.
@@zairok6194 Kinda like how Jan 6th is being retold in different versions until each person finds a version they accept as their own personal truth.
@@zairok6194 That states' rights argument is the same kind of nonsense as neo nazis use when they want to justify WW2 as Germany's "legitimate defense" against communism. What other "state right" than slavery was ever in question?!
In point of fact, it was about the right of the CSA to EXPAND slavery.
As someone who grew up in the north till around 11 years old. Who then moved to Georgia to finish out high school, i was amazed at how the south taught the civil war. They consistently taught it as state rights (would not go into detail about it). I question my teacher at the time who said that slavery was of course part of it but that it was mostly about these state rights. This was a stark contrast to how the north taught me about the civil war, who said it was about slavery. I am currently 17 years old. It wasn't until this year when my Ap us history teacher who dismissed this myth of it being about state rights by asking "state rights over what?". It's incredibly interesting to me in how the south teaches it completely different.
If you ever look at the forms of government in the traitor states, they were universally far more injurious of states rights than existed under the US Constitution. For example the confederate constitution proclaimed slavery a permanent institution and severely limited individual states' tarriff and tax gatering rights. And most of the flashpoints leading up to the civil war was southerners using the Federal Government to deny states rights to protect slavery.
Yeah, in the US you still have the South, which is kinda patriotic, even nationalist, and the other states with their culturmarxist, farliberal madness
The war on Northern Aggression. Lol
I'm 55, and I'm disappointed to hear that they are STILL teaching the Civil War wrong in today's Southern schools.
Grab a clue America.
I can tell you it wasn't about slavery as terrible as it was .
Robert E Lee asked to not have any statues erected in his honor, yet after his death, they did it anyway.
Putting up statues and defaming them is tradition in Europe. It's not homey unless someone has hacked off bits or tried to plaster over them. I never hear any americans defending statues of Stalin.
Lee was an honorable man whose sense of honor bound him to the decisions of dishonorable leaders. In many ways he's a tragic figure.
@@SusCalvin Stalin's subjects tore down his statues after his death.
@@kellygreenii It seems that even in death his wishes were not honored. Tis a shame.
@@alanmcentee3035 They are not Stalin's or Lenin's subjects at that point. Stalin, Lenin and obscure guys like Feliks have been dead for decades by that time in the late 80's. But the people that commission new Lenin statues are there here and now, sending the secret police to monitor people for listening to antisocial capitalist music.
People who know nothing about the Civil War think it's about slavery. People who know a little about the Civil War think it's about states rights. And people who know a lot about the Civil War know it was about states rights to own slaves
That is the first thing my history teacher told us about the civil war.
Great round about way to say the civil war was to keep slavery in place
@@jaranarm considering your wording I assume you’re republican yourself.
So to change your words to be more accurate, Lincoln(the radical left) vs stuck in the past pro slavery Jefferson Davis(conservative)
@@littlemacisunderrated412 they always try to stick to the party names so they can tacitly say the modern dems were the ones that liked slavery, trying their best to forget that party name is irrelevant compared to party values, conservatives now just like back then were always like this, they hold nearly all the same values just in a different form. Look at the history, look who supports them, see what they fight against.
Actually, it was about the *expansion* of slavery into the territories. Northerners were more than willing to entrench rights of slaveowners to keep their current holdings, just not expand them. But the South didn't want to just keep it.
I’m an 8th generation descendant of Jefferson Davis. I grew up in California, but went to University in the South. I was shocked to receive a letter for a scholarship for the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. Despite them attempting to call me multiple times, I eventually turned it down. (Though the debt I’ll be in for the rest of my life has made me doubt my choices) But I was raised understanding the myths of The Lost Cause, and the reality of the War. It was such a shock to witness the outright denial of historical facts in the South, from the average person, to history professors. Mind boggling stuff.
Based.
God bless you for being educated
Dude, I would’ve taken the money and ran. Lol
@@TheNightWatcher1385 I genuinely considered it, but I would’ve had to go out to Pulaski, TN (birthplace of the KKK) to accept it, even though their headquarters is 35 minutes north in Columbia, because they were having some freshmen sponsorship program conference or something. Either way, it was a no-go for me.
@@thechad4485 Given your heritage perhaps they wanted to use you as a spectacle for clout. Probably for the best you didn’t go.
I think in particular for me, I never really bought into that "Southerners didn't fight for slavery, they fought for their state" sort of idea. While I'm not going to claim it wasn't true for some... the vast majority of Confederate writings I've seen, from personal letters, journals, newspapers, etc. Have all made it clear that yes, it was about Slavery. That they knew it was slavery. That even those who didn't have slaves still fought for the idea of "Racial Truth" and slavery.
I think it's kind of a funny thing. Where often the justification is framed up as "70% of soldiers didn't even own slaves. Thus they couldn't fight to support slavery!". As if we can't just look out into our own world right now and find people backing political ideas and movements despite not having a dog in that particular fight personally. Or even ones that are seemingly contradictory to their own situation and interests.
Thanks.
I think the best way to put into words would be that Confederate politicians, land owners, or more wealthy individuals wanted to break away from the union because of slavery(I mean they literally said as much in their documents of succession). Poor southerns most likely did fight for honor, respect, or were forced to fight due to the drafts in the later years of the war.
But whatever reason they told themselves I think they all knew what it was about. That’s why deserters became so common in the later parts of the war because those poor southerns who didn’t have slaves saw this just isn’t worth it.
I honestly think the saying or term “States rights” has only come up in the last 50 or so years because people wanted to convince themselves with this romantic idea of the lost cause while also not being a flat out racist.
RESEARCH the shipping Companies archived records .
Research the Statez and Counties plat maps and property tax records.
Research individual States Legislatures Laws.
Research original Civil War Statistics. Only 8% who fought for the South
Owned SLAVES. 8%
@@Aviator-Chicken The USA is a Constitutional REPUBLIC! that REQUIRES 100% of the States Representatives participation., in the "Law making PROCESS." And for a BILL to become LAW 63% of that 100% States,Representatives Participating have to VOTE the SAME WAY.
Whereas, Abraham Lincoln and his RADICAL Republican Northern States Representatives were going by a "Democracy" with a Quorum, of whomever was present a d doing a MAJORITY VOTE... of 51%. Fully knowing the Northern States would always hold the MAJORITY.
This DENIED the Southern States Representatives, that would always be the MINORITY, a VOTE, a VOICE in their own GOVERNMENT.
"STATES RIGHTS!"
@@savanahmclary4465 I'm from New England and the Civil War is a tremendous study. The Historian Fotte Jr. wrote extensively on South and the War - One work is the Three Volume History. As for a single work - Battle Cry For Freedom by McPherson is great. I believe that slavery became an important factor for specific crops produced in the Americas & USA. There is no dispute that under 10% of Southerners owned Slaves. McPherson titled his book over Freedom. The States from the South wanted Freedom from Northern Meddling and the North desired the Freedom to Dominate the South. The People enslaved wanted Freedom. Compromise worked for the formation of the United States of America with the idea and hope that Slavery would eventually dissolve by itself. The invention of the Cotton Gin changed that Idea. Many Issues arise over the Cause of the Civil War. One was we were a Nation divided by Freedom of Ideology and Choice. It all came down to Money. Nothing has changed. We, as Americans continue to be Divided.
An interesting PBS Documentary comes to mind about a family from Bristol, Connecticut. I can't remember if there is a book. The Southern States provided Tobacco, Rice and Cotton for the world. Sugar from the Islands. Indentured Servitude was eventually replaced by Slavery. Initially many slaves were freed after an "Indenture Time". This morphed into Racism. Most transportation via the maritime ships for slaves and transportation of Southern Goods were controlled by the North. Not completely. Industry and distribution involved in these Goods was controlled by the North. The Triangular Trade Route created tremendous wealth. America became a prosperous mecca for Immigration, opportunity and Expansion.
Bristol, Connecticut had a monopoly on the Slave Ships and One Family dominated with 10% (+) of the entire fleet. One female descendent did research into her families hidden past. The monies accumulated by transportation, ship building and manufacturing surrounding her Family & Slavery influenced the development and creation of Insurance (Shipping), Construction, Finance (Investing) and the Elite ('Aristocrats') in the North. Politics. The consequent influence and wealth continued to the present in her current situation and that of her family. She learned much in the Research.
Meanwhile, the well to do, White Northerners who became Abolitionists allowed African Americans, for the most part, a free and subservient place into the society. Now "Free States" they deplored Southern Plantations & Ideology based upon Slavery. Northerners forget that the original Land Grants by the Crown of England given in the North were called "Plantations". Indentured Servants & Slaves helped the "Good Christians" of New England to create commerce & Industry to rival Europe.
They would Smoke or sniff Tobacco, Purchase Molasses and Sugar from the Caribbean, Enjoy sweetened Coffee, Tea and Pastries, discussing their Good Fortune and may even sip some Rum while wearing the latest fashions made of Cotton. Transportation, Manufacturing, Middlemen, Finances and Investing - the North. The Blame for the Civil War is shared by the Nation. Research is the key and I constantly seek more knowledge. I don't know everything. Thank you - Triggered this Thought.
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Kissing their ring by beating up on Dixie and Lost Cause theory won't get you back money and merely demeans you.
@@robertjohnson5838 But telling the truth has value in and of itself.
Even Google caves to the Disgusting whine of white conservative grievance. I say we remove food stamps from all red states and let hunger force them to doing their own damned labor! That will fix their evil
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I really appreciate and respect the notion of "It's important to understand something even if you dislike it and it's bad, because you need to understand a thing if you want to effectively fight it." Dismissing things doesn't help anyone. Thanks for making this.
“give the devil his due”
I feel like that's something that people need to understand with the Founding Fathers cuz I'm seeing too many people take the fact that most of them were slave owners and running with it, all while at the same time refusing to look at anything else about them.
@@ragingshibe That's sad.
@@sandman4663 Someone far wiser then that "You never know anything."
It seems like nuance is a lost art these days. People are unwilling to acknowledge any truth may exist in a view they disagree with. In my experience, once you get to a moderate level of complexity, very few things are more than 70% true, nor less than 20% true. If you agree with a position less than 100% many will consider you an opponent.
I haven't seen much of the 1619 project but many things about slavery I've read seem to think they need to continuously restate that it was a bad thing. Like anyone who didn't know that would be reading that particular source.
When I first came to the USA and I was learning US history, I had a teacher who called the Civil War “The War of Northern Aggression” and I assumed it was just an alternative name for the conflict 😬 I’m glad someone corrected me before I went around saying that
Yea a lot of southerners (i assume it was southerners sorry if my assumption was wrong) like to downplay the fact the confederates attacked first
Well, the war was started because the north was using tyrannical legislation against the southern states and started arming themselves then in self defense the southern states succeeded only to be destroyed by the north.
@@beavercontrol1743 Technically they responded to a foreign power refusing to leave their territory. Not defending the war, but secession wasn’t against the constitution at the time.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 technically no, the lincoln administration only started raising troops to fight the south after the south fired on fort Sumte. fort Sumter was built on a sandbar in charlston harbour which South Carolina had sold to the US Federal government in 1836. The CSA did not own any part of fort sumter and other similar forts in the south. Also prior to the attack on fort sumter there were many raids on federal armouries and forts across the south. It is incorrect to claim that the CSA was "just responding to [the USA] refusing to leave their territory."
@@TheNightWatcher1385 Regarding the legality of secession Madison wrote in a letter to Hamiilton "The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and forever." The straight text of the constitution neither explicitly allows for secession nor forbids it. There are clauses that could be argued forbid secession for example; Article 6 Section 2 which was interpreted very early on to mean that federal law outweighs state law. This interpretation implies that a state seceeding, without federal approval, for any reason can be overruled by the federal government. This is all rendered moot by the texas v white decision of 1869 which determined broadly that secession was illegal.
As a southerner from Georgia I have to say that I feel like now the civil war is a lot more accurately portrait, but I did have a few extremely enthusiastic history buff teachers. I had one teacher that was really focused on the human casualties of war and way humans were treated and he went really into detail about the cruelty of slavery. As someone that lives in a city with a civil war battlefield park, I can say that there is definitely plenty of confederate idolization within the south.
As a Millennial in a GA high school in the early 2000's, I still had a US History teacher that focused her course through the lens of Lost Cause rhetoric. We even had a couple of classes dedicated to listening to presentations from the Daughters of the Confederacy, trying to invite us to "explore our heritage" at their facilities and exhibits after school as well. I can't speak directly to the local curriculum quality for the last decade or so, but LC was definitely skewing portrayals of the Civil War in my neck of the woods as recent as Obama's presidency.
@@PhantasmXYZI go to school in Northern Mississippi my black teacher pushes the lost cause lol
Saw a confederate flag bumper sticker that read “history of my culture, not history of hate.”
@@russscott6907 Which actually, thru the truth lense, "history is record of reality," as in the term; "History Will Judge!" We learn thru what we see, hear, what our interactions w others tell us, as we all form new history. All that must shift our thinking on how we saw history yrs prior. Before Civil Rts changes, our entire nation thru a lense of 'jim crow,' whatever our views were, It was part of our nation's reality. Because of changes cmg from people's activism a new historic lense has come into being that values lives of African Americans, Natives, women, immigrants more visibility previous generations, where white supremacy controled academia/media even more.
@@russscott6907 Strange that some people don’t understand that the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
As a Texan, I can't understand why as a Southerner, I need to place my pride upon a Virginian flag used by an army that fought for a racist society. Why can we not craft a new wave of southern pride that focuses upon the good parts of our culture, and recognize the Civil War and the battle flags for what they are. I can both be damn proud that I'm from Texas, and lambast anyone or any imagery that represents actions that would treat another human being with disrespect.
As a white guy from Georgia (the state) I agree with this statement fellow southerner. It's absurd to have pride about having your home state being apart of an old racist movement that was on its own way out of the country regardless.
Austin doesn't count.
@@zacharybunting3637 that's a random comment, and I think the capital of the state counts lol. I'm not from there, but I mean, it's the capital so....
@@grahamcochran5400
Although that might be because here in Texas we have more of an independent or rebellious history than the rest of the south. For example, a Mississippian cant look back to an independent Mississippian Republic to draw pride from In the way Texas can.
Southerners are quick to anger , guns ..scary fact...I don't know why..Maybe got in their genes already
Anyone who dislikes Woodrow Wilson is a friend of mine. Well done.
Ya the good thing
That piece of $h!t...the race game is holding humanity back from our extraordinary potential. We gotta be 10,000 years behind by now.
I hate Wilson so much
help me figure out why..
Bold of you to say I have friends
Downplaying slavery and ignoring the elephant in the room is why we continue to this issue today. A form of cultural schizophrenia.
Heh, "ignoring the *elephant* in the room"
sounds like those slavery problems are easier to handle than confusions between gun ranges and schools..
Can't fix stupid, not gonna try🤣
The elephant wasn't in the room but on the street when locals asked the drunken bellboy to be its shepherd and when the animal acted as a wild animal would, the Southerners lynched it. During the Spanish flu no less.
"I never heard of any other cause of the quarrel than slavery.” -Confederate General James Longstreet
the north won the war, but lost the "reconstruction."
yeah
There are many reasons why the north lost the reconstruction, you can look up the answers
As if it had a chance to succeed. You can’t force someone to think a certain way. Even if today people try
@@kenabbott8585 begone, conspiracy theorist. The video debunks you.
Grant/Sherman didn't go far enough with "total warfare". They wanted a partnership with the south to unite the country after the war. However today southern ignorance is alive and well.
Honestly, you have a Confederate battle flag in the background in the art. That's all TH-cam sees.
That gives judging a book by its cover a new meaning. Judging a video by its damn thumbnail
You mean the traitor flag?
@@Darkvega2k7 from the british perspective the stars and stripes are a traitor flag
@@KohanKilletz Except the 13 colonies had a much more legitimate reason for leaving, and they actually won and became recognized (admittedly with help). The Confederate "states" simply had a temper tantrum to secede and break away over a guy who hadn't even entered the White House yet in order to preserve an immoral institution. So yeah, still a traitor flag. Lol
@@KohanKilletz Yea, they are a non-factor. We were already an established, independent nation well before the civil war. Nice try though.
Growing up I believed the Civil War was about slavery. As I got older I realized that there were other factors that caused the war. Then I found out that it ultimately was fought over slavery and I was right the first time. The Lost Cause myth taught me how to investigate history and not immediately believe what I was told, I'll give it that.
It's two extremes I guess. As a kid you learn that the war was only about slavery. One side wanted to end it, one side didn't.
Then as you get older you learn that it actually a bit more complicated and that there were other factors to involved. Lost Causers try to overstate and emphasize these other factors as somehow being more important that slavery.
Then when you really study the history, you see how a lot of these other factors were directly linked with slavery anyway. And when you learn this history of the US in the decades leading up to the civil war, it becomes incredibly obvious that slavery was the cause
Served with many Southern boys in the USMC and Navy. As a first-generation American, I never heard of the Lost Cause until my contact with Southerners in the service.
They are not "neutral" parties. They have a huge amount of self-esteem and group-esteem tied up in this issue. The Lost Cause first arose to serve the psychological needs of white Southerners. It still serves that same purpose today.
I find the American idea of citizenship baffling. The United States is not a real country.
@@aethylwulfeiii6502 What do you call it ?
Considering what Britain was like during the Industrial Revolution, Thornwell might have had a point about British workers, but saying you treat your slaves better than how British industrialists treat their workers is kind of like being the nicest guy in prison.
Even if accurate, it doesn't address the underlying issue that a person cannot be property. That statement should not be a defense of slavery, but an indictment of the British industrialists.
@Harry Paul Well, sadly as an industrialist you basically could do all those things - usually contract at the time afforded you very little in the way of rights as a worker - and there was basically nothing workers could do (hell it's still pretty difficult to complain when your boss harasses you in the workplace), but yes the thing that marks out slavery is the fact that there isn't even a pretense of rights - I think Eric Daniel summed that up pretty well tbh
@@ericdaniel323 That's kind of where I was going with that.
@@msaoichan yeah I thought so, just adding my $0.02
Well said. I don't understand the mindset of people who twist logic into knots to justify human slavery. If you agree with the concept brutality as being a " relative " trait then the man who only savagely beats a woman must be a "nice guy" in comparison to someone who savagely beats up a woman then rapes her.
Historical topics are uncomfortable for most people - especially those attempting to rewrite it.
Or when the real truth emerges.
...especially those whose ancestors are shown in a negative, non-redeeming light.
I have seen more rewriting of history based on primary sources. More like consolidating history and replacing false history.
Dixie daughters🤔
Circular argument.
I'm a high school history teacher who just moved from California to Texas. I'm dreading it. I'm not quite sure how to structure my lesson plans and the history of the myth into a curriculum that will still find me employed after a while. Terrible situation for educators who want to teach candid, unapologetic, and sometimes uncomfortable truth.
As far as I can tell, Texas public education has long separated itself from the Lost Cause. Their 2007 state textbook explicitly denounced the previous years for including it (hence why I showed that textbook in the video). In terms of navigating the recent anti-history, anti-abortion, and anti-LGBT laws; yeah it's really atrocious. But you can at least take comfort in the fact that all Texan history teachers are having similar trouble with that. Best of luck
go back you f'ed your state now you wan't f up ours? well's was a HUGE racist..perhaps you learned that in school? Texans are 10 times more worried about people coming from califoria then from mexico hehehe
I live in west Tennessee, right along the Mississippi border, I truly believe most people know exactly what they are doing and know exactly what it means when they fly the confederate flag, heritage, for the most, part is nothing but an excuse to get away with being racist in public, and as somewhat of an intimidation tool
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 what did the Vice President of the confederacy say the war was about in the cornerstone speech?? U can quote any abolitionist u want, the people in charge of the confederacy made it very clear the war was about slavery and white power
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 "Ignore the part that proves me wrong, read this part instead pls"
@@nick87_ how do you know, have you spoken with all of them personally?
@@cruzgomes5660 have you?
@@genkiferal7178 lol I actually grew up in the city of Philadelphia, spent 18 years of my life there, than moved to west Tennessee and have been here about 17 years, the city and rural areas both have ups and downs, but I’d still say Tennessee is the worst just because of all the fake people, everybody is so hateful and so filled with anger and dying for the opportunity to shot someone but they all hide behind god, that rubs me the wrong way….liars, fakes, and crap talkers get me aggravated, doing it in the name of god makes me see red
When abusers loose their power over the abused and fear violent retribution, it just proves how horrible they were.
Loose rhymes with Goose. Always.
Yep. Good point. The sad thing is that African Americans never wanted revenge in spite of all that was done to them. All they want is equality.
To loose one's power is radically different than to lose one's power.
@@EpochUnlocked Or used their power to basically remake slavery in the form of the sharecropper system.
Exactly! Why would you fear retribution if you treated people well?!🤷🏽♀️
When I was in high school in Virginia in the late early 80's we were shown a film that was titled "Why we still whistle Dixie". To my teacher's credit he explained that he was required by state law to show the film and used the rest of the class to debunk it.
that sound like fascinating pedogogy
So he managed to teach:
1- the fallacies of the lost cause
2- tell you how real propaganda works
Using a propaganda flick he was forced by law to show you.
The guy sounds awesome.
Yeah my teacher in Georgia was apparently required to teach the other causes of the civil war and wasn’t allowed to say slavery was what caused the war but rather things like tariffs culture and state rights. He made his view point pretty clear even if he couldn’t flat out say “slavery was the main cause of the war”
@Derrick Barnes
Same and I don't remember that film either.
@Derrick Barnes
Hey same here and I grew up in Lexington Virginia if you know anything about Lexington.
My ex partner a former History Professor had as the final question of the final exam: "What was the cause of the Civil War? It was an essay question. You could answer it any way you like but if you did not mention slavery as the cause or one of the causes, you failed the whole class, no questions asked.
wow
Based and awesome.
@@Ozzy08018 Thank you
I am impressed with your video. As a PhD in history I truly believe that truth of our past must be taught: no matter how painful it can be.
I do believe our founding documents are wonderful ideals but are ideals we have never truly followed. As a Southerner, a liberal, and a historian the truth is important so we can never repeat our past sins.
How groups deal with their "less than proud" history is actually a fascinating topic within Social psychology. I did my Master's thesis on it and it is shocking to see how much People differ in opinion after being confronted with different historic representations.
As someone who lives in the south and used to live in part of it where that "Less than proud" history was celebrated I can say that many just want to be seen as victims, innocent people who were shoved under the north's boot essentially yet when you speak to them they always talk about how soft and weak the north and if thats true then why did the confederacy fail? Why do many people who wave the Confederate flag speak as if the South never did anything wrong, and some I know supported the idea of "Defending property" without thinking about how the confederacy saw other human beings as property or maybe they do know and are genuinely terrible, but for everyone else in the south we essentially just clown and joke about how backwards and ridiculous their ideals are, its a pretty good way to cope with knowing that people in your state still believe in a silly old ideal that caused a war and only existed for a few years, because my dogs have all lived longer then the confederacy existed
@@THERATSANDTHERATS Its interesting how often lovers who did so.ething awful want to be seen as the victim. Japanese textbooks during world War 2 talk about how awful the atomic bomb was and the devastating effects of it. Meanwhile, most other parts of Asia talk about how Brutal life was under Japanese rule during the time, and the problems that arose once Japan was forced to leave those countries.
@@phabiorules "after" you meant.
it reminds me of an interaction my dad had a few weeks back. he was talking to someone and got to the topic of me studying history at university, and how I was currently studying the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya and the brutal response it received from the British (i.e. torture of prisoners, over 1 million Kenyans being incarcerated in concentration camps), a very dark and degrading part of my country's history. The guy my dad was talking to had the audacity to say that he thought the Kenyans actually did learn quite a lot from the aftermath, and it "showed them what not to do for the future". Just straight up justified actual war crimes, concentration camps, and colonial atrocity. Oh, by the way, this all happened in the 1950s and 60s. Apparently concentration camps are only bad when European people get imprisoned in them.
@@beedubree2550 This is a pretty common talking point. Liberia is a thing because abolitionists and pro-slavery advocates alike assumed freed slaves would now fair better having lived under "western civilization".
Arguing with TH-cam is a lost cause. The greed and evil is always part of their motivation.
Jim Bucket: Ever since the “VOX ad-apocalypse”, virtually everything even remotely controversial gets demonetized whether it is or not.
@@CG87343 you mean the crowder-pocalypse. Since steven crowder was the reason it started. Because he kept being homophobic and racist towards Carlos maza. :)
@@Lycaon1765 That's not even remotely what he was doing. Leave your SJW nonsense out of here.
@@eodyn7 "That's not even remotely what he was doing."
Lmao. He clearly was being homophobic unless perhaps you're just another one of his biased sycophantic fanboys who isn't interested in arguing in good faith and has a wingnut narrative to feed.
*eSs JaY dOuBlE u'S!!!*
EDIT: Just checked your channel list, seeing you subscribed to the likes of PragerU, Black Pigeon Speaks, and of course failed comedian Crowder along with other despicable POS's. Yep, I was right on the money! 😁
@False Feathers rustled? Lmao ok sure. No it's not the "voxpocalypse" because vox isn't at fault. It was crowder being homophobic and racist that started it. Calling it the voxpocalypse is revisionist and puts the blame on carlos, which serves the bigoted narrative that crowder did nothing wrong.
Maybe learn to be more creative, since you seem to only have 1 thing you know how to say.
For an interesting illustration of whether or not slavery was really a big deal to the generals, we can look at major-general Patrick Cleburne. Noting that the South was losing the war and needed more manpower, he made a proposal: promise emancipation to blacks who fought for the confederacy. He justified this idea saying
"It is said that slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties."
This was mostly met with polite silence with some outraged, but no support. Making the proposal also got him blackballed from promotions in the army. So I guess they didn't deny it as much as he thought.
Another famous Southerner said that having black soldiers who were competent would be contrary to what they all had said about that inferior race.
That's because Cleburne was far from a typical confederate. An Irish nationalist exiled after the supression of the Young Ireland movement, Cleburne joined theConfederate army to help protect his friends and neighbours (one of a tiny few to do so) and subsequently rose through the ranks. He was one of a vanishingly small number of confederate leaders who didn't care about slavery.
Very impressive essay. I admire how you managed to both condemn the consiparacy, but also maintain nuance.
Living in a small town in VA, I had teachers in HS as recent as the late 90's/early 2000's that called the civil war "The war of Northern Aggression"....Coincidentally, I also had a biology teacher call evolution "the big lie" so.... that school system clearly had a lot of issues.
alt right Christians im mostly right winged and thats just dumb
Fellow small-town Virginian here, I had plenty of teachers like those. However, I also had an amazing U.S History teacher who would take no shit in his class from any aspiring lost causer.
Holy shit. The indians were right about the lies shared in our schools history books. They said to me once, "you have know idea about the real history of your country". You only learn what the school board wants you to learn. Why don't they teach things in school that would actually help people when they get out of school instead of lies?
I'm thankful I'm educated in the north-east. The history they teach is mostly unbiased and accurate. For the American Revolution we were taught the good and bad of both sides. For the Civil War they taught it essentially the way it was which was. Biology is well, actual biology. If the schools ever even attempted to teach any of that here, people would be outraged.
Well public schools, in most cases, are put together by elected boards, not by education experts. I remember having to have a conversation with my principal for doing a presentation on the Tulsa Massacre in high school, because in 2005 it was a topic still not taught in high schools. Everything was factual, researched and sited, but I had to take an F on the assignment (midterm) because the school board didn't recognize it as "factual history", and had intentionally excluded it from the curriculum. I grew up in Iowa, so it's not just the south either. Every school district basically has a Council of Nicea, choosing what is accurate and what is..."removed", while having no qualifications to do either.
Imagine your nation having a history shorter then the Wii U
Fortnite lasted longer than them lmfao
Fortnite might last longer than any of us.
I'll take the Wii U any day. I can't play Lego City Undercover on the South.
@@lego007guym8 or the best Mario game
South Vietnam lasted longer than our Southern states
My 4th grade teacher told us the civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. This was in Phoenix AZ in 1964. I didn't buy it. I thought to myself "wasn't the right they were fighting for the right to own slaves"?
Denying history shows weakness and lack of character.
If the war was about state's rights, then why did the Confederate Constitution not allow their states the right to choose to be a free or a slave state?
I was a kid in the 90s and a teenager in the 00s; they taught us about “The War Of Northern Aggression”......
@@kennethmcclain3907 you’re stupid, certain southern schools literally teach it as the war of northern aggression
@@kennethmcclain3907 literally in the town my hunting land is in... there is a monument paid for by a local - it’s a big flag and a bunch of plagues talking about Lincoln’s tax war ....
Now is it as common as it used to be - no, atleast in cities or decent size towns
I was never taught that, but weirdly I was taught that Woodrow Wilson was a great president.
It was the War Southern Aggression, The south secdeed from the Union illegal, secession was unconstitutional. The South fired on Fort Sumter SC on April 12,1861 at 4:30 am.
So you are in your thirties now? And you grew up with this crap? Amazing.
“If the confederacy was not about slavery, then someone should go back in time and tell the confederacy that.”
-John Oliver
Imagine not ignoring John Oliver.
@October's very own OVO if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black
@@mackinblack It was a slow and gradual change. Policies shifted after the New Deal, the civil rights movement, and other periods where the Democrats took more socially liberal actions, and became the modern democrat party of today. The Republicans, as the opposition to the Democrats, went in the opposite direction and have ended up as the social conservative party. Democrats aren't flying confederate flags. Republicans are. 120 years ago, the Democrats would and the Republicans would have never. Also, you are more than likely a troll is my guess. If you do want to know more about the party switch, I would watch the Knowing Better episode on it.
@@literallyme2071 it's a bit more complicated than "the parties switched" there were racist democrats as late as the 90s.
Only in the last 10 years have they really reached out to minorities. For the last 70 years they moreso cornered the vote
@@jknott1509 I agree but, the Democrats are the more liberal party now. John Oliver shouldn’t be associated with the racists that have been around in the 70/80s.
Can you imagine forcing the Germans to maintain statues of Hitler?
I too grew up at first being taught the civil war was about state rights, it took a brave high school teacher in my junior year to say “I know the textbook says this, but it was actually about slaves” and it all made perfect sense.
Personally, it’s disgusting to see some right wing politicians try to call our education system as indoctrination because it highlights the wrongdoings of our nation. We have a chance to end these tribalistic cycles that have plagued humans of our tribe (race, religion, nationality, etc) to be superior to other groups and warranting prejudice or worse.
Videos like this our needed, even though rational people agree with this video as it’s true at the end of the day, an educational system of debate and critical thinking is needed to let these truths be not just taught but realized.
Modern politics in this country is a dumpster fire. Any news story I read the comments and it disheartens me. Tribalism is at an all time high, politics have become like rooting for your sports team, our Congress gets nothing done, culture war nonsense shoved down our throats and I don't know how we find our way again.
Even as a child, I could not figure out how States Rights can outweigh Human Rights.
They didn’t say shit like states rights until 10 years after they lost.
They needed a solid reason to fight. Rather than “preventing servile insurrection” (like it really was)
And instead they said states rights and independence to seek more sympathetic and make more sense.
“Because why would soldiers fight for slavery? Slavery is bad! There is no way my grandpappy fought for slaves. He never even owned slaves, he was defending his rights!”
That’s basically how that goes
In the 1850s states rights were the rights slave owners had, like bringing your slaves up north to free states without losing ownership of their slaves and the right for slave catchers to go north and recapture slaves and bring them back south under the fugitive slave act which turned out to be a disaster as for you had slave catchers rounding up free and former enslaved people alike indiscriminately off the pretense of being antislavery. Slavery was not just a thing that resided in the antebellum south but effected the whole country. From our modern point of view states rights looks like a person's want to fight for one's state and to stand out as the individual and not get swarmed by the collective which are key american values so I see how people become convinced by the lost cause narrative but you must not fall into this trap and actually peer into the eyes of the people who fought for slavery at the time and imagine being in their shoes, they fought for what most wars in history have been waged for.. wealth.
I can only share what I remember from school, 80s child from Ohio here. The South attacked federal installations. The confederate constitution legalized slavery. And they lost.
So they are traitors, and instigators. They were ignorant to equal rights. And they were the losing side. Just saying.
A lot of this sounds like romanticized history to make lost cause sound valiant instead of vulgar.
@paul lennon politics enslave people. Listen to a man who has enough money to run for any position higher than city council, and you're listening to a man who had never lived in your community. Think for yourself and stop worrying about Republicans and Democrats and you will see they are just trying to bend you to the compliancy. They don't want to help anyone who can't help them stay on power.
@paul lennon are you kidding? Have you checked out their last and current candidates for president? If you read that I was a Democrat from any of my statements, your not reading what I wrote, just seeing what you want.
When you have Obama continuing policy such as no tap warrants and Trump spending his time doing, well, whatever he's doing, why would you trust either party?
Just an unimportant side note: technically, ‘Song of the South’ doesn’t depict master-slave relations since it’s set after the Civil War, and shows former master-former slave relations (all happy and wonderful, of course, no hard feelings!).
Many slaves did return to their former masters to work for wages, Of course slavery was an evil practice obviously I'm just pointing out that this happened.
And the abuse continued. If my memory serves correctly my grandmother's family were sharecroppers and I was told that they were practically forced to stay ever they were and suffer any abuse inflicted.
It was about the pleasure of being a slave, like Gone with the wind, romantic view of slavery wasn't it great
@@jordana.6874 That would be because the Jim Crow South made it nearly impossible for them to go anywhere, plus there's always the psychology of "the devil you know"...
@@AndrewAMartin There some stories of freed slave wandering aimlessly on the Southern roads.
"In fact some of it's strongest membership was in Indiana of all places."
Have you been to Indiana? There is a trailer park outside my grandmother's home. I swear I have never in my life seen a higher concentration of confederate flags. And I'm from Texas!
It honestly surprises me not one bit.
I’ve been to Indiana once, the whole state is like an embodiment of a trailer park.
We stopped at one small gas station with two pumps and an overweight man with a white beard and wearing just overalls and a ballcap walked from across the street to the gas station. The same town had a few confederate flags on flagpoles.
I would not feel very safe at all if I wasn’t white, and even though I am white I still got a weird feeling passing through. Made me realize there are worse places to be raised in than IL
I wonder how all those Indiana Regiments that fought for the Union would feel about that.
The Confederate Flag is the First National.
@@homosexualitymydearwatson4109 You must not know that 60% of the original settlers of Indiana are from Southern Scotish Heritage. And anything on this planet with a. "X" IS ALWAYS SCOTLAND!
The unofficial motto for Indiana is "We aren't the south so why are we like this? "
When I was a kid just old enough to appreciate the significance of "Daisy Dukes" I absolutely loved the Dukes of Hazard. It was a much simpler time then and I was just a kid so even though the show was the exact same plot over and over every week sure did love the General Lee. I never saw the flag for anything other than being rebellious and in the 1980's wearing a Confederate Battle Flag on my jacket as a teen in Upstate NY wasn't seen or meant as anything racist it was more about rebelling against all of the neon and pink and plaid clothing that was "preppy" and popular.... I wouldn't wear one now obviously as what the flag represents now and as I have become more aware, but in those days if someone called me a racist because of the patch on my jacket I would have had no idea what they were talking about....
when I was in highschool, I used to see this kid wearing rebel shirts most of the time. I always saw him chatting and being cool with another student who was black.
"what the flag represents now" is what it has always represented. I mean, unless you wore it in 1930.
The flag was a very fashionable patch to have sewn over the holes in our jeans when we were kids in England/Scotland/Ireland/Wales in the 1960s-1980s too,purely because it was a great-looking American graphic,and in fact still is a design classic!!...I don`t think any of us had any clue what it meant at all,and most probably still don`t and couldn`t care less either way.
@@mjh5437 kind of reminds me of when i was a kid, i used to draw swastikas ( I'm mixed and have dark skin) because i thought they looked cool. It wasn't until i was in middle school (maby a grade or 2 earlier) that i fully appreciated what it meant and how terrible the nazis were.
I agree that flying the confederate flag doesn’t immediately make one a racist, but it undoubtedly makes them ignorant
I'm a senior in highschool this year and when I was in 10th grade I took ap us history and I was taught the lost cause and my teacher would get mad when she would say the civil war was about states rights and I would ask a states right to what? We often got into several arguements that ended in her saying the soldiers didnt fight for slavery and me saying most germans didnt fight just to murder the Jews and her just saying your wrong
I wish i can have that type of discussion, but fortunately my history teachers were smart so there's no need for me to argue with them. Kudos for you to talk like that to your history teacher
Wyatt Walker, download the Georgia State Declaration of Secession, and have your teacher read it out loud in class. That will shut her up.
Did ether of you get in trouble?
glad I wasn't the only one fighting the narrative in high school class rooms. although I've got a step beyond. I'm becoming a history teacher so I can go into high-schools and hopefully keep kids from learning this dribble.
@@Jarod-vg9wq no
26:00 - Can confirm. My AP US History teacher in high school refused to teach the AP version of the Civil War, instead only referring to it as the War of Northern Aggression and telling us that slavery was nothing more than a footnote in the reasons for war. Literally had a confederate flag in class and everything. Worst teacher I ever had, anyone wanting to pass the AP exam basically had to teach themselves actual history.
Why did he AP History if he wasn’t going to teach the curriculum.
I think someone should have complained to the school.
@@adamabramson6094 commenting on a 3 month old post with your brain dead opinion is weird. Hope you have a shitty racist life.
I bet that teacher got his degree from the Univeristy of American Samoa
@@demi-femme4821 I’m guessing he did not want to teach history, but what he sees as history. That his history is the true, advanced history and not the one “pushed” by schools.
@@KobyOwen Why you gotta diss the land crabs like that 🦀😭
When confronted with those who would claim that the Civil War was not about slavery, I quickly point them to the "Cornerstone Speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens of Georgia, Vice-president of the Confederacy. On March 21, 1861 in Savannah, GA Stephens outlined to his constituents the defense of the institution of slavery as the root cause of secession. It serves as a primary document to illustrate the mindset of southern statesmen.
The war may not have been about slavery, but its clear that the people who caused and executed the war certainly thought it was about slavery.
@@pteechka1No, it was slavery. How are you lot not thinking that still? Is the retardation of right wing mentality?
I love the shout out to Atun-Shei Films, I really enjoy his channel and how much knowledge he has about history especially the American Civil War.
I was taught the lost cause myth in my high school in Utah, and that was as recent as 2016. Granted, it was a charter school and the teacher was a conspiracy nut, but it’s still very much alive today. My parents buy into it too.
Charter schools are not required to follow federal regulation.. charter schools were literally invented to stop interracial integration.
@@andrewstar21 Coming from a country where every type of education is regulated by the government and homeschooling is not even allowed, that just sounds hella mad. Schools to teach your kids revised history and keep them away from "brown people". Disgusting!
In Utah?! Wow!
@@rippspeck that is the truth though…Private Religion, and charter schools were NOT INVENTED until After Brown v Board of education
Oh, god, I know what that's like. It's so annoying when I listen to my parents talk about the Civil War and they always talk about how it wasn't about slavery. Ugh. I love my parents and all, but they can just be so, so ignorant about that kind of stuff.
This was a very balanced analysis.
@@Zederok You clearly didn't watch the whole thing.
Michael O'Donnell don’t make me come back down there rebel
Nicolas Noisette states under the protection of a more perfect union
agreed.
Donaldson give me money
I am a Canadian who heard the idea of states rights and that a slaves lot wasn't so bad back in high school American history class (late 70s -early 80s). This was by a Canadian teacher. Later I had a genuine American history teacher for American history who taught none of this myth.
I believe my teachers, who also taught that the big bang theory and continental drift were new radical ideas, were lazy and were just passing on what they learned when they were young.
The British/Canada gave assistance to the Confederacy because they wanted to weaken the US (allowing Confederates to use Canada and the Bahamas for spying, providing battleships like the CSS Alabama and materiel to the Confederacy, the Chesapeake affair, the St Albans raid on Vermont, John Wilkes Boothe plotting his assassination of Abraham Lincoln with other Confederate supporters in Montreal, etc) so it might be an uncomfortable topic, even if any British/Canadian support for the Confederacy wasn't out of support for slavery. The British textile mills did switch from sourcing cotton from the South to sourcing it from Egypt as the war went on though.
When I was in the ARMY (2004-2009), they were just starting to force soldiers to not have Confederate Flags in their barracks, cars or on post housing. They all said heritage as their reasoning too. It was not until I took a history class did I learn about all the states declarations of succession and the cornerstone speech. I have opened up many eyes since.
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 their intentions. They declared the need to preserve slavery and laid out the framework for white supremacy.
Did the Declaration of Independence prove our intentions?
I grew up in Mississippi, in a city famous for having the final residence of Jefferson Davis, the president of the CSA. I can tell you with 100% certainty that people here and the south more broadly believe whole heartedly in the Lost Cause myth and treat it as non negotiable fact. Younger generations are much less likely to hold it, but almost everyone 30+ believe it because it’s what they’ve always been told. I had teachers in public school who even taught us the lost cause as history and consciously de-emphasized slavery as a major factor in the civil war. Hell, when I was a kid even I believed it, because it’s what was taught to everyone and anyone who disagreed was treated as biased against the south. I only broke out of it when I became interested in history and started researching the subject for myself. The lost cause isn’t just dangerous, it’s extremely pervasive in the south, and educators have a moral mandate to combat it.
Didn't he live in Liverpool for a time? If he'd stayed longer he might have met the Beatles. on a serious note, the South is still hopelessly fucked up.
maybe not hopelessly
Apparently Mrs Davis was not as stubborn about this, and expressed doubts about these things later on in life.
Aren’t these the same people who profoundly say that they are Americans?
Fellow Mississippian and it’s exhausting when trying to explain anything historical to older generation when they denounce anything that they weren’t taught in school
As a Black man raised in the South, when I learned of this I started to question my whole formal education💯
@Pitch Notes It's ironic that under the Confederate constitution that the states had no rights. All power was with the central government. Read it for yourself.
As a black man from Virginia and going to a segregated school. I was taught the evils of slavery and the system that perpetrated it. And I began to read about it own my own. And I guess you can say it stimulated my desire to learn all history. And slavery and the treatment of native Americans was little better than the Nazis treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany. But it makes people here uncomfortable to remember their past. And until we as Americans and all of us can look back especially the evils perpetrated on just about all people of color and whites who didn't have the same hate in their hearts. That White's from every part of this country, not all but a sizeable majority killed blacks for pure sport and entertainment. And I'm betting that there's a lot of individuals who go looking for their relatives in heaven are going to be disappointed to find them in hell.
@@markcrampton5549 I think I remember that Georgia tried to secede from the confederacy for that very reason, but I can't find proof of that anywhere
@@philipfreeman2863 "not all but a sizeable majority killed blacks for pure sport and entertainment."
The fact that you actually believe this nonsense is quite possibly going to allow you to perpetuate the worst sort of sadism on the people you hate in the very near future if political trends continue as they are, all in the name of anti-hatred. The sad thing is that you won't even be able to recognize it even as you are doing it.
@@connor3284 would it make you feel better if he’d said that blacks were killed, raped, dehumanized and abused because whites considered them little more than livestock?
I am a junior in a Texas high school, and although my latest course over US History was just last year (2021), I was taught in that class that the initial cause of the Civil War was almost entirely States’ Rights with slavery being a mere side discussion by politicians at the time. My textbook and class tests told me that the issue of slavery only became a central idea of the Civil War near the end and after “Northern media and propaganda” attempted to make the issue of slavery “more drastic than actuality”. I remember those quotes purely because I was astonished by the gull of my education to tell me and my fellow impressionable students such blatant and harmful lies. I hope that soon this will be reformed in my local school district, because I know that many people my age wouldn’t bother doing outside research, but rather just internalize the information that they are literally tested over.
Texas. That tracks.
Yeah, no, your local school district isn't going to fix that any time soon.
Meanwhile, they're worried about CRT
That's Texas for you. They buy more textbooks than any other state in the country, too, so textbook publishers generally only write textbooks that will be approved by racist Texas school boards.
I had an AP US history teacher that was a massive shit stirrer and one day he said to open our books to the section about the Oregon trail. He said to look at the formation of Utah and mormons, and pay attention to the verbage. It was extremely charitable and favorable to the Mormon creation myth and their plight. He told us this was because they would lose business in mormon regions if it WASNT positive and we should be critical of everything. Even our textbooks.
As a southerner myself, I'd like to say that nowadays it's really rare that you run into Lost Causers. It was a little more common in my youth (90's), but the vast majority of them were really old back then and are no longer alive today. The most you're likely to find here are its fragmentary remains, i.e. single aspects of the Lost Cause myth that people somehow manage to hold despite the clear cognitive dissonance it causes them. For example you find people who believe that slavery was evil, that it was bad for slaves, and that it was the main reason for secession, yet they also believe most southerners didn't go to war to preserve slavery. Or they think the reason for war eventually morphed into protecting slavery, but that the war was initially started over states rights. Etc. Views that make no sense if you spend more than 10 seconds thinking about them.
I think the main issue for modern southerners who, by and large, don't hate black people is reconciling our modern sensibilities of equality and justice with our desire to take pride in our heritage. That's part of why the south is so patriotic, even though technically that patriotism is being directed towards the very government that defeated our ancestors. Again it makes no sense to take pride in BOTH sides of the civil war, but if you don't think about it for more than 10 seconds then you can hold both beliefs.
As for me, my dad grew up in a poor family during desegregation in the 60's and 70's. By high school he had made a number of black friends because of it and so instilled in me an understanding that racism in all its forms was wrong. He even warned me from time to time that my grandparents were pretty racist deep down and that I shouldn't learn that from them. Like the Lost Causers, they're both long gone now and their racist attitudes, thankfully, went with them.
that's great
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The lost cause is alive and kicking today. Two of its main proponents are Donald Trump and Ron de Santis.
Be very careful with mythology like this and never underestimate its power, for it will lead to holocaust.
Person: says the word confederacy
TH-cam: I’m about to ruin this mans net income
The good(?) news is that they pay so little that it's barely a loss for most low end youtubers
Person: Makes a video about the Swiss Confederacy
TH-cam: NOOOO ADVERTISERS WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH THIS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
Another good history TH-cam Channel, 'World War II' week by week with Indy Neidell was demonetised apparently because it included too many mentions of Hitler, Nazis and extermination of Jews, which to TH-cam's monitoring programme implied it was extreme right-wing and Antisemitic, although it is neither of those things. It is just that you can't really produce an accurate history of World War II without mentioning Hitler and his policy towards the Jews. The Channel recorded a video protesting at this that featured a number of cats in case that made it more popular with TH-cam and its advertisers.
GOD BLESS THE ENCLAVE SARGE
@@CaptainApathetic Also Person: But... but what about Native confederacie-
TH-cam: *_screeching, frothing at the mouth_*
I was raised immersed in this. Deeply. Once when we were playing Civil War when I was living in Mississippi, my dad got mad and told me I shouldn't pretend to be a Yankee. I don't really know if I can ever fully escape it, but I've been trying to at least learn more.
@Mimi EF This is the information age! I grew up in the North, and I had a history teacher who believed all the Lost Cause Propaganda 😞 My real history education came with books, C Span, and University lectures ( free on line )
The fa t u tried is good enough. Most choose willingly to be a sheep
That’s all you can do. Just try to learn more. That’s what any of us can do.
Like the replies state, you're already LEAGUES above these confederate apologist whackjobs by even TRYING in the first place! You already win! Now you just have to keep on working at it, and you'll be fine and glorious! Its been five months by now, so I assume you might be closer to fully cleansing your mind of the propaganda by now.
to be fair, have you seen Yankees? They think iced tea shouldn't have 3 cups of sugar in it. *shudders*
my us history teacher used to refute the 'state's rights' argument with "state's rights to do what?"
“A state’s right to do what?”
No one likes to answer that one when I ask it.
People could argue their right to many things, I dont disagree with you, I just want our side to use better arguments
@Nathan Bedford Forrest And the root thing those states rights were claimed to be protecting?
Slavery. Some nice rights you got there.
Precisely. Always gets the southrons.....the states right to own SLAVES. Period.
@Nathan Bedford Forrest It's hilarious how you clearly didn't watch the video.
When they say state rights it was a debate about which has more power Federal law or State Law
As somebody who grew up in a southern state I didnt know the civil war was about slavery until the 5th grade where I found it online. It was all about how bad slavery was when we were talking about the revolutionary war and the settlers but as soon as the civil war became a topic it was all state rights and how sad brother was against brother.
@@anatomicalx9355 It was about states rights.... to own slaves
@@anatomicalx9355 articles of secession > you
@@anatomicalx9355 Yeah. Tarfiel is right. Its all over their documents of secession, journals, and what have you that slavery was front and center. Calling it 'states rights' just makes it go down easier then the truth.
@@anatomicalx9355 Believe as you like. A close reading of the old Confederates' words doesn't support states rights as the primary point of contention, except as a fig leaf to justify slavery.
@@anatomicalx9355 You can keep ignoring reality all you want, but the Confederates themselves would laugh at you saying they weren't fighting to keep the institution of slavery.
As a black guy who lives it Richmond, Virginia, I hate how I recognize so many of those statues.
Why hate that? It just means you're knowledgeable.
@@bordertown because the statues even exist in the first place is what he means.
I am from Richmond too. I got so used to the statues that it didn't bother me. Did you see the museum??
Honestly I wouldn’t even give the Lost Cause the honor of being a “Myth”. Myths at the very least imply some semblance of truth in their foundation or origin, which the Lost Cause lacks. I would instead prefer to refer to it as a historical fallacy.
@@user-tf5lg7fc9s You of all people should know that the unmitigated and absolute Truth is that the Civil War was fought by the Confederacy to preserve slavery. It is the inconvenience of this Truth that has led to many a false claim that those traitors fought for more just causes.
The leaders of the Confederacy did not, and they had not a single proper or moral justification to betray their nation. They did so anyways because they wished to keep slavery going in the South for their own profit and greed.
Did you watch the video?
As someone who grew up in the south the reconstruction era always felt like something that was a mistake to me even though I didn’t exactly know why. This changed when I took AP US history in Junior year and learned what Reconstruction actually was and then I essentially realized that there wasn’t exactly a reason to hate it (Also Uncle Tom’s Cabin was to me portrayed as a racist book by those who talked about it occasionally, so there’s another lie I was fed growing up)
13:40 "He wanted to destroy his own hometown" That's a very pop punk mood, tbh,
the first hawthorne heights song
Billy Joe Jackson.
The biggest problem with Reconstruction was that it ended about 25 years too soon, maybe more.
I've lived most of my 70 years in Florida. In 1991, I lived in Decatur, IL for one year. Often when local folks heard my southern accent they assumed they could safely reveal their racial prejudices...proving to me there's no regional monopoly on racism. However, there is a southern mystique that has no connection with the lost cause myth. Rather, it's rooted in music.
Intersting thing is how many historians talk about the migration of blacks from the South, but not really about the migration of whites to "escape'" civil rights. Some Southerners just couldn't stomach that Jiml Crow didn't reinstate slavery. So my go to assumption would be the people you met are at best second generation Northerners.
So that great lecture was not labeled "education" but recently I saw a flat-earth video that was?
TH-cam needs to get their shit together.
TH-cam gives the job to a robot, and tries to make sure their robot isn't leaked to their competitors. It doesn't need to be a perfect robot, it just needs to work well enough and better/cheaper than people trying to review the torrent of nonsense.
Karl Gustafsson that’s robotcism 😂😂
@@tylerklovic3330 It becomes more apparent when TH-cam and others face local languages. If TH-cam doesn't have enough people who can filter stuff in english, how many do you think they have that can check norwegian or burmese stuff.
TH-cam is a blatantly right-wing company that panders to Republican troglodytes to maintain unbridled crony capitalism. Same goes for pretty much all social media and every other corporation out there.
@@scabbarae Right now I think TH-cam just wants to avoid work. It wants to sell ads and consumer data and let people watch fun videos, and not get saddled with a position as the world's largest movie publisher and moderator service. Same with facebook, twitter and other services. Doing nothing has been their default.
I'm European and not fluent in this topic. This video did an excellent job of bringing me one huge step closer to grasping US history. Thank you!
No it didn't
@@doug814 stfu, yes it does. Knowing this kind of thing helps the rest of the world comprehend why the US is in such sorry shape because of the 45th stirring up desperate southerners who cant stand the idea of living in a less-racist country than they have now. It helps the rest of the world to understand to place most of their anger and frustration with the people who are supporting these confederate values and not to hate the entire country.
@@AdamTheCoop1 I mean ... using southerner diminishes the extent ....and acts as if it’s a geographic thing. Also under cuts the position of the south as a hot bed for civil rights heros and icons.
Racism at least online comes largely from the Midwest. Where diversity is rarer so they deal with minorities rarely and they went to trump in droves. I mean the massive amount of racists going to these events ... are from the northern part of the US.
Especially looking at militia groups.. Michigan is a huge hot bed for that.
The south isn’t the bastion it used to be, it’s one of the most diverse area of the union and it’s solely realizing that. I mean look at Georgia in 2020 or how Alabama got a Democrat senator for the first time in 25 years because the African American community realized they have a voice now and they have always had the numbers but they didn’t realize it or weren’t allowed to realize it but now they do.
This is a national issue not geographic
@@AdamTheCoop1 or we can look at modern election stats
Alabama and Mississippi voted 40% for Hillary and joe
While West Virginia , the least confederate state ever - voted less than 30% dem.. it’s a country wide issue not geographic.
Iowa used to be dem now, it’s +10 trump same with Ohio. While North Carolina will go blue likely in the next 10 years.
That’s not even mention that a lot of those northern states barely went blue.
It’s a nation wide issue so I don’t think reducing it to - dumb sad southern are the reason a New Yorker was able to sweep the nation in 2016 - is correct
@@tysmith9309 i didnt bother reading those long winded responses, if you have so much to say please go ahead and join your brethren and make your own channel to share your message with like minded people
God I can’t believe that only two years ago I believed in the lost cause I hope that anyone who hasn’t learned the truth does as soon as possible
"It was for states rights!"
"states rights to what"
"...fuck"
Question: If the owner of J.E.B. Stuart's original battle flag gave it to you, what would you do with it?
@@johnharris8191 put it on a museum idk
@@facemcshooty6602It sold "for just" $965,000. Now, what would you love to have it? LOL
Fun fact: All four actors who played the Duke family were born in Union states.
You mean those actors weren't actually the exact thing they were playing!!? Like, they were acting and not real, like ACTors?? WE'VE BEEN LIED TO!!
Oh shit
It wasn’t real?? Really??
Thanks Forrest, you dope
@@liamtuttle2707 🤯
@@TheAhirishman it was supposed to be Fun, sorry you didn't get it brainiac
A quote that I've forgotten the source of said in the 1890s that the USA had a choice after the Civil War between reconstruction and reconciliation; it chose reconciliation. The work of Reconstruction will continue." A thought I have is a rebuttal of the old saw that "the victors write the history." In this event, the losers wrote a great deal of it and their writings are still available.
@R. V. Datmir it's doubtful that lincoln had a genius for knowing how far he could push the envelope without backlash, since he pushed it far enough to get himself killed
@R. V. Datmir the thing that had stopped other abolitionists before lincoln was lack of an adequate war machine and pretext to use it, not lack of patience.
@R. V. Datmir lincoln didn't end slavery by arguing that it was a pecuniary cost (this would have been impossible, because it was in fact very profitable). he ended it at gunpoint.
@R. V. Datmir that depends. i've changed my mind on a lot of things based on moral arguments over my life. some moral arguments are more convincing than others. 'don't treat your fellow human beings like farm equipment' seems like an uncommonly compelling one, prima facae, but there's no accounting for vested interests.
one thing is certain, however: if someone got up in my business and told me i'd actually be economically better off if i gave up my livelihood, telling obvious lies and making extremely bad arguments about a business that i knew inside and out because i'd been doing it for generations, i absolutely would not listen to them.
now, if they got together with a bunch of people who agreed with their moral convictions and started sabotaging my operations, arming and helping organize my slaves, helping them escape, giving escaped slaves refuge, etc... then yes, i might be forced to ultimately give up. but that would be because they coercively *made* my operations costly, instead of trying to convince me of very obvious lies.
Victors write history means: survivors write history. In present day there are no longer situations were the loosing side gets totally destroyed in all senses. So everyone gets to do it.
Hell the perspective on the ww2 eastern front has been completely german until just a few decades ago because of the cold war, we had no access to soviet history so we written the eastern front based mostly on german memoirs and only now many misconceptions have been challenged.
The confederate ideas never died completely. Its “supporters” lived and got the chance of telling their own extremely biased version of the story because history spared them so they were victors, victors as in they survived history.
Neo confederates today:
"It wAs ThE waR OF NortHeRn AgReSsioN!!!!"
"StOp tryInG to DesTroY oUr HeritAgE!!!!"
Actual confederates in 1861:
"We're fighting for slavery."
"We know."
couldn't be more true. its hilarious how beyond ignorant they are when the people at the time where incredibly open with their views. no one was hiding it. the vice president of the confederacy had a whole talk about how slavery was their right by god himself
Lmao
It doesn't need to be a choice between heritage or hate, not when it's so easy for it to be both, neatly conjoined.
Take my sub and like. I was a lost causer myself, one of the largest regrets of my life.
I was raised to believe in it. I am actually proud to have freed myself from it.
No need to regret it that much. You didn't hurt anyone. You educated yourself. You grew up. Be proud
About the phrase "lost cause": A newspaper editor in Richmond, Virginia, and an apologist for slavery and secession, published a Confederate history of the Civil War called "The Lost Cause" in 1866.
You really ought to do a video on the "Black Wall Street" riots. That whole time period of American history i's rarely talked about.
Black Wall Street/Tulsa Massacre
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GeekShero more of a genocide
First learned about that from Watchmen, i honestly could not at first believe that it was a real event.
@@CompagnonDeMisere25 Not even the first or the last time its happened.
Absolutely the BEST detailed explanation of the "Lost Cause" and how it's evolved (or devolved, depending on your POV) over the years. My compliments to all that participated in making this very detailed and easy to follow explanation of something that's been so misunderstood by so many people- with deadly consequences.
Pretty good. Being a historian and living in Mississippi I get to see a lot of this close up. The term "Revisionist" is often misused to refer to the more recent historians as having political agendas in History. I think that, when one speaks of "Revisionism" the Lost Cause and the resulting Dunning School are the earliest revisionists, the people who experienced the war are often seen as brethren afterwards. One has only to read the responses of the US veterans to efforts to erect Confederate monuments on the Gettysburg Battlefield to realize that the animosity lived long afterwards. Here in Mississippi it was even more obvious. The Lost Cause reference to Carpetbaggers and Scallywags deliberately aviods dealing with what was most common here. Tens of thousands of enslaved Mississippians joined the US Army. Thousands of them fought a constant guerilla war against Confederate irregulars and civilian guerillas to control Mississippi and prevent murders of civilians. After the war many of these folks on both sides settled in the same communities. Old enemies did not magically become friends. The largely African American Republican Party gained political control until the violent voter supression of the 1870s changed all that. The Lost Cause myth doesn't cover that part of the story because to do so would admit that the US Colored Troops existed, succeeded, and the veterans gained political power through elections, not through disenfrachisement. Foner once said that the times historians live in influence the questions they ask, but shouldn't influence the answers. That's what's changed, historians are asking different questions and reexamining the questions previous historians asked.
Revisionism gets a bad rep from the likes of David Irvine, other neo-nazi holocaust deniers and wehrmacht apologists glomming on to the name in order to legitimise their lies.
The war of northern aggression
The South: FIRES THE FIRST SHOT OF THE WAR
@@goinggodmode9463 What he's saying is the Confederates fired first by attacking Fort Sumter, hence starting the war.
@@goinggodmode9463 The Confederacy was also seizing multiple US forts in the months leading up to Fort Sumter.
@@michaelmoody3737 is property sacred again in USA? Federla Forts not private forts in "confscum" idiocracies
Yeah most of the forts were within Confederate territory that the union refused to give up
@@PredatoryEra I suppose most of those who damn the Confederacy would agree that Gitmo rightly belongs to Cuba, that we hold it in opposition to the tyrannical Castro government.
“Nonono Cypher don’t you understand those guidelines are for the big boys? Now go play in your sandbox like a good lad”
-TH-cam probably
@Stand Watie Damn, you're old now!
Very well done. I’ve always said the north won the war but lost the peace. We are still undergoing reconstruction due to decisions made after the war.
Overall this is really excellent and I agree with your outlook here. This mythology is a huge problem in modern society. One niggling point: a belief system has TENETS, not "tenants." I like to say that unless a belief system has people paying to live in it, it doesn't have tenants.
Han and the Confederacy both shot first!
Emily Curewitz: Thank you. This comment made my day. 😂😂
@James Longstreet wrong. Harper's ferry was done by private citizens against the federal government. The first shots were fired by cadets from the Citadel Military Academy on the steamship, Star of the West, which was resupplying Union troops. The Anaconda plan took place after both the attack on the Star of the West and Fort Sumter. The first violence of the occupation of Maryland took place 4 days after the attack on the Star of the West. I stand by my comment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_the_West en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_in_the_American_Civil_War
how dare you. I am a totally unbiased citizen and I only get my facts from reputable sources. I can tell you right now that Han in fact did not shoot first! confederacy totally did tho lol
@@reeesistance1625 Lincoln did nothing of the sort. The plantation owners wanted to continue owning slaves, and feared they have actually have to pay thier labor, and they considered Lincoln to be a threat. Secession was done on their own accord
@James Longstreet Sumter was a US base threatened by rebels. By your logic, your saying it's ok if a left wing group trying to secede from the Union takes a naval base in California. The federal government was completely justified in protecting their military base. I still stand by my comment
How dare you talk about this issue that I have no idea what it actually is about!
The video isn't even out yet I am already outraged at your incompetence to present a thorough and unbiased argument.
I will have to unsubscribe from such a heinous channel.
Good day sire!
I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!!!
Good day to You as well!
Good day to you too! :D
Not funny
@@quanbrooklynkid7776 Nah, it's kinda funny.
Pfft, unbiased
My mother was a daughter of the south, a descendent of the Price's and Lee's, a cousin of Robert E. Lee. She talked about slave owners who treated their slaves as members of the family, but she didn't sugar coat the ugly side of slavery. She described cat o nine tail whips, with glass and hooks sewn into them, designed to rip flesh with every strike. My mother wasn't relaying things she had read about, she was relaying first hand accounts of her slave owning ancestors. She didn't defend slavery, but she did make it clear that it was not all one story, that some slave owners were better than others, and some were much, much worse. The truth is always more complicated than we want to deal with. Slavery was bad. It is a part of our history, and the truth needs to be taught about it, not fairytales or horror stories, just the plain unvarnished truth, good, bad, and ugly. We don't need to be made to FEEL anything about it, we need to learn lessons from it so that we don't repeat our mistakes. The civil war was about slavery. To say otherwise is to deny reality. Slavery was bad. To say otherwise is to deny reality.
Well said. In today's society it seems that we must paint the past in shades of black or white with absolutely no gray. We are not allowed to acknowledge admirable qualities in those who chose the wrong cause and we are not allowed to speak of the sins of those who committed them in the name of a greater good. This is a huge mistake and paints an incredibly unbalanced view of history.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 My father taught me that there is very little black and white, just varying shades of gray. People may use the "greater good" to justify their "sins" but the "greater good" rarely has anything to do with it. A person's wrongs, evils, sins, whatever do not have to be justified in order to accept that they were not evil, just human. I love my father deeply and consider him the greatest man I ever knew, but that does not keep me from accepting that he was a deeply flawed human being who did many things others might deride him for, that I just accept as having been a part of who he was. I do not hate my ancestors for doing what they did, but neither do I feel a need to justify it as having been for the "greater good". They were flawed human beings who did the best that they could with what they had, just like every last person that has ever walked the face of this earth. None of us are angels or demons, although perspective may make us seem like one or the other. I will not justify either slavery or the attempt to destroy America as having been for the "greater good", they were not. That does not make those who participated in either "evil", just human. That does not mean those who participated in either were without redeeming qualities that would have endeared them to their families, friends, neighbors, associates and other's who knew of them. Life is complicated. Wrongs do not have to be justified for rights to exist. Did men of honor and courage fight on the side of the South in the Civil War? Absolutely! Did their honor and courage make them right? Absolutely not! Chattel slavery is wrong, with no qualifications or justifications. The need to strive for the ideals that America stands for, without justifying or whitewashing her history is absolute. I cannot be the best me possible while denying my flaws or the wrongs I have done. Neither can America be the best she can be without all of us acknowledging her flaws and the wrongs she has done. We are either growing or we are dying. This is true of individuals, nations and freedom as well. Growth requires acceptance of all the facts, the good, the bad, the ugly in order to learn and move on. Growth requires making amends where we can without harming the innocent. If making amends would hurt innocent people then we have no right to salve our conscience at the expense of those people. We must always strive to right the wrongs of the past to move toward a future where
"freedom for all" can truly be realized.
All slave owners treated slaves horribly. It was illegal not too
@@nonyobussiness3440 Oh, really? Please cite the statutes that you are referring to, include the states that they are from.
@@jimbrogan9835 use google dude. Stop being lazy and ignorant. You’re a typical lazy entitled southern.
I was born and raised in South Georgia and didn't learn the truth about American history until I became an adult. We learned about the Civil War like it was almost a tragedy the south lost, we learned enough about slavery to know that it happened then moved on, and that dr Martin luthe King ended racism. If we do not learn from our history we are doomed to repeat it.
Hey man, not all Wilsons are the same!
Are you saying you couldn't make for a good villain in a movie? LOL
Naw brother, like you, I am on the side of good!
@@nomad155 that's true. I wonder how much brooding classes are these days! LOL
I wish instead of Wilsooooon it was "Woodroooooooow" as I have a buddy named that who (rightfully) fucking loathes Wilson.
I appreciate your nuance about the Confederate battle flag’s use today, but I’ll see it flown all the time where I am in rural Michigan, in the heart of Yankee country. It doesn’t have anything to do with their heritage; they have to know what they’re doing by flying it.
People flew it in Maine when I lived there. Doesn't get more yankee than that.
I live in rural Iowa and I see that flag fairly often as well. I even know some of the people who fly it and can say with the upmost certainty they have no ties to the south. It is crazy on the 4th when I see people with the Confederate flag flying from their trucks, and my so called “patriot” friends using every excuse possible to try and justify it.
Can confirm this about Michigan. I live in the suburban part of it and I see people who've spent their entire lives in Mt Clemens and Clinton Township trying to claim that flag as their heritage. Wonder what part of the heritage they find so appealing that it makes them want to cosplay as these idiots?
Those traitors are dishonoring their ancestors who fought against the Confederacy. It’s sick.
@@keirfarnum6811it’s simple, they HATE black Americans more than they can every LOVE Their ancestors who fought FOR the Union….
Growing up in a VERY rural part of Arkansas I wasn’t aware that the lost cause was false until I was almost 21 and at college at UofA. It was doctrine growing up
thats wild to me as someone from California. they teach it in quick bits every year but you never hear about it being anything other than slavery and owning slaves and i couldn't imagine how different it was in the south like it being almost doctrine in most schools.
As a loyal Brit who had to flee to Canada for fear of retaliation from rebellious colonists, I always refer to the c1860 Civil war as "Civil War II".
well you see Mr. Historian let me learn you a wee bit bout this here war of northern aggression. You see the war was in fact about about states rights specifically the states rights to remove the rights of certain people but states rights none the less. And secondly it was in fact a war of northern aggression you see they got very aggressive after we invade and took over multiple american military armories and forts located in the south. And of course the carpet baggers were trying to destroy and punish the south with their reconstruction as they made it so much harder to you know own slaves and all with all their amendments and laws and what not.
it's scary how good of a parody of lost causer comment this is, lol
Seriously stop twisting the history. There is no such thing as states rights. To own a slave was not a right it was privilege. That war was all about southern white privilege. But also to be clear - north didn't want to free slaves in the south because they like black people. Actually they wanted to free slaves in the south because northern farmers couldn't compete with southern farmers. Northern farmers had more expenses because they had to pay their workers. Slavery was illegal in the north. If you or anyone else reading this thinks that southern farmers had to feed their slaves so they had expenses too - well you all are missing one crucial point. In the north workers who worked in the fields (manual work) had to be payed by their employers and also fed by their employers. Remember two things that makes people civilized. You never can have right to take someone's rights and you can never build your freedom by taking freedom from others.
@@safetsabani7919 whoosh
@@safetsabani7919 read the whole comment before replying
@Safet Sabani you must not be from the south because that was straight sarcasm and I could even understand it in text lmao
States right to do what
To own slaves
i guess "freedom from tyranny" isn't an option you're offering...
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 Because it was never a factor
@@kingrollypollyvii5565 Actually no around 30% of the white male population owned slaves. Also many soldiers wrote in their personal leters abd diaries that they were fightinf for slavery. Also even if they didn't the reason why the soldier fight does not change the reason the war started
@@kingrollypollyvii5565 and most who didn't still supported it
This is an impressive breakdown and you even covered properly their state of mind. This is the perfect video to refer ppl to when asking what lost cause it. 10/10
TH-cam: You can say as much racism as you want, but don't talk about racism itself