I agree about the look, that simple green camo pattern they had for many years is just perfect. I also loved it during WWII where it was accented with the yellow highlights on the wingtips, engine cowlings, tail, etc.
I'm currently doing an internship at Finnish Aviation Museum. We have one of these in our yeard. MiG-21 was the first fighter here to go double the speed of sound. Also the first plane in Finnish service to be armed with missiles.
Fun fact. Bis or бис stands for "Боевого ИСпытания" or "battle tested". The soviets awaited to see the battle performance of planes before *trying* to improve the aircraft and iron out it's problems.
@@IanRoach17 yeah idk if this guy is right at all. I was always told bis meant twice or two or whatever. I tried fact checking the battle tested trivia and couldn't find anything on it anywhere, p much everyone says bis means second/2 or whatever. If anyone is able to back up this dude's trivia I would like to know tho.
Ah yes, I sure love facing against the MiG-21MLD. (I know its a mistake but I would like to laugh about it) I grinded out the 21bis recently (God bless premiums and premium time), and for the first MiG-21 I got my hands on (since i dont play Germany, Russia, or China) and for me, im still learning the ropes with it because its super different (imo) to everything else I fly, but all in all, im enjoying the 21bis in the Finnish subtree
Same. I mean the Finnish Vampire is the J28 with another paint job so it can't be that much harder just given the Swedish Draken a new skin to turn it into the Finnish version.
Guess i have to buy the J-7D if I want a HUD so much in a Mig-21 (and I do) and only that and is "bother" J-7E has a HUD in the cockpit. Unless the game ever gets the upgraded ones too (LanceR or the 2000).
I'm sorry, but the mig 21 bis is in such a tough spot after the apex update. it sits at 11.0, which means you see constant up tiers (at least 50% of the time) if you get up tiered, you get shit on. if you get down-tiered, you can own the battlefield. its so infuriating as a 2nd gen jet to fight 4TH GEN JETS. I feel so out of place. Even at 11.0, you cant outturn a f4e phantom- as a delta wing..... so what do you gain from being a delta wing? as far as im aware nothing because the delta doesnt provide enough lift to combat the weight of this thing. its so damn heavy. unnecessarily heavy. and the radar is so bad. the missiles are okay but the radar (in comparison to 3rd gen and 4th gen radar) is so bad it can hold a lock while you perform evasive maneuvers. i would gladly trade in the r60mk's for plain r60s if it got lowered to 10.7, it cannot compete in the current iteration of war thunder. and it annoys me that i spent today grinding with it. the j7e would wreck this thing, the j35d would wreck this thing. the f5e would wreck this thing. it cannot compete. i cannot believe that i am playing a game where a 2ND GEN JET is fighting mig 29's. and f16's
Does it include the Vympel K-13? Finland received the MiG-21F-13 in 1963 and got into operation next year. MiG-21F-13 And Bis variation made to go up with Mach 2.05, complete the mission and land. It was superior against others in speed, but was inferior in weapon tech for the other fighters. The best tactic is just engage enemies from the back with full speed and fire missiles. After that disengage.
i do love mig myself like mig 21 is a cool aircraft and would would love to see one as a premium for us i feel like at one point they captured one like with so many other soviets jets and helicopters and
I'm hesitating, should I grind France, Sweden or Israel air tech tree? I don't have enough time or SL to do the 3 of them so what would you recommend? (I'm asking everyone) To be more specific, I'd like to have a mirage (or kfir), the jaguar, the viggen and a mig 21
France and Sweden are both good and enjoyable. Sweden might be slightly more enjoyable tbh. The Kfir is very good but it’s still a bit lackluster right now since it’s effectively a worse Mirage 2000. The Jaguar is also very fun but it is superseded easily by the MiG-27K.
If you could make a tutorial on how the radar on the TOR works with the dual targeting - i can't for the life of me get it to work. I am sure its a mechanic that will see more of in the future as well. Thanks! if you can.
@@TimsVariety Thanks but its not the keybinding that i've issue with, it's the 'rules' of the mechanic. the 'circles' over the two targets - how and when and why... how to go from there to fire and guide on two, everything i try both missiles end up one one of the targets. thanks for responding. best of luck.
Didn't the Bis carry all aspect 60Ms? the German one does, and irrc the Russian one did too, but after looking at the Finn ver, I looked back at the Russian, and it also doesn't carry it? ninja nerf? Overall all aspect must now become a standard, bring in the ordnances that are missing from Aviation, (my poor Q-5s & A-5C)
they never had them to begin with. i agree with brawler though. with the f-14/mirage2000's introduction, the mig21's sorely need a buff in the form of the r60m. the mig21bis-sau is doing very well with them, and is facing the same enemies the other mig's face but has r60m's.
I agree about the look, that simple green camo pattern they had for many years is just perfect. I also loved it during WWII where it was accented with the yellow highlights on the wingtips, engine cowlings, tail, etc.
I'm currently doing an internship at Finnish Aviation Museum. We have one of these in our yeard. MiG-21 was the first fighter here to go double the speed of sound. Also the first plane in Finnish service to be armed with missiles.
Only thing I’m upset with about this aircraft is the lack of S-24s for CAS since Sweden has very few options. But still is a very solid fighter
True though why anyone would use the MiG-21bis for CAS over the AJ37 Viggen or heck even the JA37 Jaktviggen confuses me
@@splabooshkey3343 i suppose more pylons for armament that can kill tanks?
@@ClockWork-zj7zy the Jaktviggen carries way more rockets that still do pretty well
Fun fact. Bis or бис stands for "Боевого ИСпытания" or "battle tested". The soviets awaited to see the battle performance of planes before *trying* to improve the aircraft and iron out it's problems.
Isn't is actually Latin for "twice" or "again" and that's why the B1 bis and B1 Ter exists in the French tree, or the SM.79 Bis in the Italian tree
@@IanRoach17 yeah idk if this guy is right at all. I was always told bis meant twice or two or whatever. I tried fact checking the battle tested trivia and couldn't find anything on it anywhere, p much everyone says bis means second/2 or whatever. If anyone is able to back up this dude's trivia I would like to know tho.
Could you do best looking cockpits for top tier, as you are the only TH-camr that takes a look at the cockpits and would love to see a top 10 or top 5
Interesting idea. Noted.
Ah yes, I sure love facing against the MiG-21MLD. (I know its a mistake but I would like to laugh about it)
I grinded out the 21bis recently (God bless premiums and premium time), and for the first MiG-21 I got my hands on (since i dont play Germany, Russia, or China) and for me, im still learning the ropes with it because its super different (imo) to everything else I fly, but all in all, im enjoying the 21bis in the Finnish subtree
all the bis's should get r60m's to make them more competitive like the german mig21bis-sau
I live in Finland and I remember seeing the mig 21 in Tikka koski airforce museum.
Love you Tim
I wanna see Romania’s present day MiG 21s added eventually.
why
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 wdym why
Hey Tim didn't Finland modify a MiG 21 to launch western missiles? I could have sworn I read somewhere that finland launched a sidewinder from them
yep, though that one was called MIG-21MGBT
Romania had those too
Im surprised that they have not added the Finnish Draken into the Finnish/Swedish tech tree.
Same. I mean the Finnish Vampire is the J28 with another paint job so it can't be that much harder just given the Swedish Draken a new skin to turn it into the Finnish version.
@@christoffermonikander2200 Yep
And maybe it can have tracers, since swedes are apparently allergic to them.
@@marksman24444 well irl they always used tracers, but in war thunder that’s not the case.
They do not want the swedes to conquer
@@2.Cuzzzz At one point it was a thing then they removed them, Sweden suffers.
Even with thousands of kills experience in this MiG, i will be ''The Hunted'' because of the BR 11.0 today.
waiting for better times...
Finally, Sweden has whole two jets that don't suck balls
This is a certified fishbed moment
grinding it right now. very much hyped for a good aircraft in the swedish tt ;)
Please make a video on 10.3 MiG-21MF on the german tech-tree. It seems no one talk about this one
Guess i have to buy the J-7D if I want a HUD so much in a Mig-21 (and I do) and only that and is "bother" J-7E has a HUD in the cockpit. Unless the game ever gets the upgraded ones too (LanceR or the 2000).
I'm sorry, but the mig 21 bis is in such a tough spot after the apex update. it sits at 11.0, which means you see constant up tiers (at least 50% of the time) if you get up tiered, you get shit on. if you get down-tiered, you can own the battlefield. its so infuriating as a 2nd gen jet to fight 4TH GEN JETS. I feel so out of place. Even at 11.0, you cant outturn a f4e phantom- as a delta wing..... so what do you gain from being a delta wing? as far as im aware nothing because the delta doesnt provide enough lift to combat the weight of this thing. its so damn heavy. unnecessarily heavy. and the radar is so bad. the missiles are okay but the radar (in comparison to 3rd gen and 4th gen radar) is so bad it can hold a lock while you perform evasive maneuvers. i would gladly trade in the r60mk's for plain r60s if it got lowered to 10.7, it cannot compete in the current iteration of war thunder. and it annoys me that i spent today grinding with it. the j7e would wreck this thing, the j35d would wreck this thing. the f5e would wreck this thing. it cannot compete. i cannot believe that i am playing a game where a 2ND GEN JET is fighting mig 29's. and f16's
Mig-21F for Finnland would be cool too.
Does it include the Vympel K-13? Finland received the MiG-21F-13 in 1963 and got into operation next year. MiG-21F-13 And Bis variation made to go up with Mach 2.05, complete the mission and land. It was superior against others in speed, but was inferior in weapon tech for the other fighters. The best tactic is just engage enemies from the back with full speed and fire missiles. After that disengage.
Could you maybe make a video on the MiG-23BN? Its surprisingly very much slept on even tho its amazing for CAS
Yes!
I really want to unlock it
i do love mig myself like mig 21 is a cool aircraft and would would love to see one as a premium for us i feel like at one point they captured one like with so many other soviets jets and helicopters and
I'm hesitating, should I grind France, Sweden or Israel air tech tree? I don't have enough time or SL to do the 3 of them so what would you recommend? (I'm asking everyone)
To be more specific, I'd like to have a mirage (or kfir), the jaguar, the viggen and a mig 21
France has the best toptier at the moment with some competitive jets .
Israel. Gaijin could give them a Mig-21 easily and they already have French and US jets.
@@gnarl12 my only concern is that I hope it doesn't become Germany 2.0 where they receive aircraft way later than the parent nations
France
France and Sweden are both good and enjoyable. Sweden might be slightly more enjoyable tbh. The Kfir is very good but it’s still a bit lackluster right now since it’s effectively a worse Mirage 2000. The Jaguar is also very fun but it is superseded easily by the MiG-27K.
If you could make a tutorial on how the radar on the TOR works with the dual targeting - i can't for the life of me get it to work. I am sure its a mechanic that will see more of in the future as well. Thanks! if you can.
Ive been using, I think, the same keybind as I use in jets to switch between IRST and radar. I'll have to check.
@@TimsVariety Thanks but its not the keybinding that i've issue with, it's the 'rules' of the mechanic. the 'circles' over the two targets - how and when and why... how to go from there to fire and guide on two, everything i try both missiles end up one one of the targets. thanks for responding. best of luck.
Didn't the Bis carry all aspect 60Ms? the German one does, and irrc the Russian one did too, but after looking at the Finn ver, I looked back at the Russian, and it also doesn't carry it? ninja nerf?
Overall all aspect must now become a standard, bring in the ordnances that are missing from Aviation, (my poor Q-5s & A-5C)
The Russian one never had R-60Ms at any point. I think at this point it should get them though, even if it necessitates a BR increase.
I mean even the R60's base version are newer than the version of the f14 we have...
they never had them to begin with. i agree with brawler though. with the f-14/mirage2000's introduction, the mig21's sorely need a buff in the form of the r60m. the mig21bis-sau is doing very well with them, and is facing the same enemies the other mig's face but has r60m's.
@@mdjd.8893 sorry, but the r60's alone are newer than the F14 we have...
@@emmata98 because things that were made earlier are always better than things made later?? what an excellent argument good sir
MiG-21Bis had the RP-22 radar and not the RP-21
Only R60s? Shouldn't a Bis on that BR get 60MKs?
Looked like Ace Combat for a second...
but none of the instruments in the cockpit except radar works!
mig 21 bees
Can you do a review on the F-5C?
biiiis
Bis not bees
I was here
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