2024 Ducati Multistrada V4 S Grand Tour - who'd a thunk
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- Ducati is no longer the most expensive Adventure on the market today, the BMW 1300GS takes that crown.
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Video Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:15 Different
2:37 Competition
4:24 Powertrain
7:53 Autobahn
11:15 Suspension & Brakes
15:10 Ergonomics
16:19 Intown
17:29 Handlebar Switches & Display
18:41 Verdict
19:16 Would I buy
21:16 Outtakes
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Looks 100% better than the new GS. Unfortunately these prices are getting insane
Agree with you on both points!
I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the big ADV bikes these days. They each have their own flavour, but are all so good in their own ways, you just can't lose. The Ducatis are nice for sure. Beautiful machines. My personal pick and the bike I own is a 2023 1290 SAS.
The biggest mistake of new AV owners is buying a bike with off road and other capabilities that they dont use
Gook Luck!! I'm selling mine now. She slept more at the workshop than at my house.
I've been riding this bike now for 885km and it's great! It's a performance allroad bike and it handles the best I've ridden. That engine is great and the suspension is the best I've ridden. This machine is made for trailbraking and fast cornering. It will out perform all others. And..... it's a beauty!!! You talk about vibrations and complaining when in 6 gear at low speed. Come on... who's gonna do that???? Ok, if your riding style is that, buy a GS, in all other situations, take the V4GT
Good to have you back! You always provide a different angle on reviews.
Nice start of the 2024 season, Scott, always good to see you again!
Welcome back Scott. A very good and honest review as usual. Well done 👍🏻👍🏻
BMW is German design, feeling, concept, function, logic. I had one. Then I rode a V4S and rediscovered what is passion, love, pleasure, sensations. I am now 66 and I am too young to go back to a GS. Maybe when I will be old. And you know what, v4s can be smooth and docile and confortable AND violent if push.
Having almost your age I couldn’t agree more!
Shaft drive on the GS may be the deciding factor for many.
spoked wheels also.......
Or the new Guzzi Stelvio!
Agree on the shaft drive at this price point in either Guzzi or GS.
@@edwardsenesac
I've got a v85tt travel.Love it.
Had three GSs, never missed the shaft once on my Multi and it’s a far better riding experience and modern chains are low maintenance, not going back even though the GS is a great package.
Cheaper and better! An engine with emotions. for me the best adventure bike👍🏼
Love the comparison table
Good to see you again Scott. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Canada😃🤛
Lovely ending. Thank you sir!
V4S owner here, wish they had increased the width of the side panniers and added a top box standard for this Grand Tour as Ducati did on the 2013/14 1200 Gran turismo. The phone pocket remains a joke, now with cooling fan btw, good storage pocket for ear plugs and USB cable though. Would like to see a direct comparison of the Ducati Connect App and what KTM and BMW offer, and WHY we do not get Apple car play and Android Auto - Honda does it, why not the Prussians, Austrians and Italians?
That’s why I ❤my 2021 AT AS ES DCT with WIRELESS CarPlay…thank you @RichyVida 😮
Loved the ending!
Great honest review Scott. 👍
Have owned V4s full, Tiger GT Explorer, Rally and now the 1300. Agree 100% with your comments. Despite, waiting for GS Adventure, to me the Rally IS actually the BEST travel-touring bike on the market. ,The 1300, as also a daily driver, delivers a more complete package.
Multistrada is just gorgeous. I waited to see 1300. 10x better than 1250, but still nothing compared to Multi. I get 160miles, with 20 in reserve, per tank I want to stop about every 130-150miles anyway to stretch. The only thing that I like about BMW better is the low rpm torque. I have zero brand loyalty, but I don’t want to turn around and look back at the triumph or BMW. The multi is art. My other bikes are a triumph speed twin, Duke 390, and z125.
That was a really good review, I've been looking at the rally model. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Welcome back!
Thank you Scott for bringing this bike out to channel and let us know what your impressions are. I experienced this bike also last year and it felt nice. Not super nice, but definitely nice. Curiously, this machine looks better on the photosphere. In the real world riding it, it wasn’t what I thought. The engine sounds great after 4500/ 5000 rpm but that’s not enough to make me change to a Ducati bike, sorry for the Ducati’s fans but it didn’t made my day riding it.
Don’t get me wrong, the bike is great but I like the 1300 GS far more. It’s only my personal opinion.
My friend, take care and ride safe ✌🏻✌🏻
Excellent video
I drive a "old " 2019 ducati multistrada 1260 enduro and I love it !
Great Family.Your blessed.
Awesome review, It is now on my radar. I have a chain drive now, I want to go back to a shaft. Not sure that's the deciding factor but it is my head.
Dukes make some super looking bikes Scott and your comment on the vibration reminded me of my 998, -under 4k it was just uncomfortable but above 5k it was in the zone..It would be sufficient an issue for me to keep my 1250 GSA- still has vibes but the issue is lower in the revs. Cheers - Ride safe.👍🏻
nice review and for those many reasons I thankfully ditched my KTM and now is sitting in my garage brand spanking new V4 Rally (....and is snowy)...... cheers V!
I found this video helpful. Thank you. Particularly your table. I'm getting ready to switch motorcycles. I've been riding a 2010 KTM 990 Adventure R for 11 years now and am closing on 100,000 miles on it. Before the KTM I did 200,000 on a 2004 BMW 1150 GS Adventure. before the BMW a 1997 Honda CBR900RR was run 100,000 miles. Before the Honda an old airhead BMW I'd built from two totaled bikes into a 1982 R100S. With a 1985 R80 single sided swing arm frame. That ran 100,000 miles as well.
Anyway, I'm lookin at the Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally, The BMW R1300GS and the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. I'm retired and old enough I'm done with the hard offroad, deep sand and all that part of silliness on a too big and loaded motorcycle.
Right now before I've had time to ride anything, the Ducati has me for looks and that motor. The BMW has me for some other reasons. I can use my existing and only slightly battered Touratech Zega Pro's and soft bags when I want by adding the TT racks. The KTM requires a different bag, so I could get away with buying one $600 US Zega Pro. Plus the racks. Not terrible. The difference between the Ducati and the BMW for my set up is around $700, before taxes, registration and insurance. I do my own work. The Ducati isn't hard, just tedious and a bit fiddly to get at places. The KTM comes in at around $23K here with bags.
Thanks.
Another great review beautiful bike
All motorcycles should have radar in the front to alert you to obstacles and roadblocks a nice bright light flashing warning would be wonderful giving you plenty of time to react
I had a 2007 multi Strada where they were pretty much stripped down compared to this
USA
I went your route, picked up a new 2023 RT yesterday and have a Traumantana 1300 coming in march (which im trading my v4s for) but IDK I dont think anything beats the RT for touring! cant wait to get some break in miles - FYI i have had two Multi v4s and you nailed it for TOURING LD it gets OLD!! for me anyway
Best engine & suspension out there.
Beautiful family Scott❤️ I bet you can’t wait for warmer weather very soon! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the big Ducati. I agree I couldn’t go past the BM R1300GS in any guise. Plenty powerful, economical, shaft drive, ride height adjustable… etc.
Just so you know, even my 1982 Ducati Pantah V2 cannot be ridden under 3800 RPM. I don’t expect a modern V4 in 2024 to be any different. A bigger tank would also make it top heavy too.
I hope you get to test ride the CFMoto 450MT when it gets released in Germany. Thanks & happy New Year to you & family ⭐️
Thanks Steve! Best wishes to you and your family!
Take care,
Scott
A nice ride passed Wewelesburg,the old kapelle and war graves.went passed it yesterday to grab a Texas burger at the American Roadhouse restaurant. P.s,i personally prefer the Gs👍.where is that river crossing when you did your summary??.viel spaß.Dave.
New bikes are awesome but prices are getting stupid!
Very nice review. Ducati makes a killer machines. They need to make a bike like the Goldwing. Same attitude as the K1600, But a WING. Boy, they will have plenty buyers.
Scott, I took your advice on the '21 RT and haven't looked back. It's fast enough for me for both canyon carving or blasting down the freeway. It is more comfortable, exquisitely flickable and unsurpassed in protection from the elements. I put on 17,000 miles in 2023 and expect the same or more in 2024 all without engine heat melting my boots or going numb from vibrations.
Yea, after 2 years on my RT, I still love it and say "I'll never sell it" other bikes will come and go in my garage but my RT will always stay. This is where the usual suspects "guys" that I ride with said to me when I bought the RT, that they'll have to "slow down" for me. After the first ride with them, I never hear that comment anymore, hmm...interesting. 🤣
It still amazes me as to how such a big and heavy bike goes through corners so easily.
Take care,
Scott
Agree, tried a lot but stayed with RT,2018 full spec,loving it
@@NothingToProvemy 14’ RT will never be sold. Just sold my K1300S though. So looking forward to my next steed to park next to the RT.
I has my 2014 Goldwing that had vents that opened up to warm my feet, and then I bought a R1200 RT no vents. I live in Arizona so it managble 😂😂
Good video, as always. Not only do you give the technical data, we can read that in many places. The important thing is that you tell us your feelings, how the weight feels, what it is like in the city, that is what interests us. I am already 68 years old and I want to exchange my Tiger for one of the two queens. I had almost decided that it would be Ducati but
The new 1300 GS now seems like an alternative to me. That's my dilemma!
Would you please review the rally version?
I like your reviews and your "personal" opinion if you would buy/ not buy. "IMO - As for all these various motorcyles you review, in the end each has its good/ not so good aspects and it just boils down to a persons wants/ needs and budget (really simple as that).
I love the idea of the Ducati - I will own one day. But for my main touring bike, there are two things that would stop me buying the Ducati. Range and that chain. Shaft drive will always keep me with BMW.
2024 Stelvio should make it to your comparison list.
I think you are a Ducati devotee or not. I have a Multistrada 1200 and a F750 GS for when I am feeling lazy. Love them both. For different reasons. Good review.
I moved from a GS to a Multi V2S, it’s the V4S next change, it’s the whole experience of riding a Ducati, no BMW (I’ve had three GSs), will give you that feeling..
V4 is a peach of a motor. My Honda Crosstourer v4 is superb.
Welcome back Scott. A very good and honest review as usual. Well done, i love my Multistrada V4 Rally, king regards from Salou - Catalonia!
Thanks! 👍
Thanks for sharing your views on the New GT ...I agree the GS is a far more comfortable ride over the Ducati, but that’s a given as its always been that way.
The Italian brand has pushed the sport side of there brand throughout there build history.
Shaft drive will alway give a more fluid ride..
But for this Owner am sticking with the grin factor.....
Was a nice ending to your video giving a personal touch with the family ..👍🥃🏴
Wouldn’t devaluation rate, maintenance costs and fuel consumption over three years and 50 000ish kilometers make the GS substantially less expensive?
Yep!
For sure 👍
Believe the Multi has a 36k mile valve adjustment window. That might change your calculations :)
@@chriscleland7008
Not by much
Going to cost 2k for that service
Even the services leading up to that are the same roughly as a boxer valve service
Just over 30 to the gallon is a killer for me 😢
Makes a change from the dare I say UGLY duckling 1300gs !
Ps chains take no looking after so not bothered about a power sapping shaft drive !
Great review as always 👍
Hey Scott, I was just thinking about you the other day and here you are with another video. Like you, I bought a R1250 RT (Triple Black) and loved it. Very smooth, very fast and corners like a beast. I learned how to ride it fast in the Malibu hills. But then I rode a Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak and it ruined me. Sold the RT, bought a used 2023 Pikes Peak and am loving it! LIke you say, it doesnt like to be under 4000 with any kind of load, but otherwise the V4 blows the boxer motor away in every catagory. The Pikes Peak is also MUCH more comfortable to sit on than the RT, with a very similar seating position as a GS. I think the Multistrada is very comfortable for longer rides. Anyway, nice to hear from you and I know, everyone has their likes and dislikes, but for me, the Multistrada is far superior to the RT or the GS. Cheers
Thank you!
Yes my thoughts exactly, I took the rally out the other day and was the same as you described and the rally is £27.5k in the UK!!!!!Top review my friend thank you 👍
Erm the same is £23650 in the uk
Duke Grand Tour price in Australia- $45200 - BMW 1300GS Trophy X - $35910, Triple Black - $36740, Option 719 - $38999 - then to get a similar warranty as the BMW, you need to pay extra on the Duke.
Cost?
Reliability?
Warranty/support?
Personal taste?
Looks?
I’m a BMW man for sure.
Supported 100% with minor issues and I’m weird as I love the look.
I love the drama and sportiness of Ducati but then again, that’s only a factor for my style of travel.
If I was offered this same bike, I’d give it a go.
That said, how good is it we all have so many great options out there.
A great time to be a biker!!!
Well, if we all lived in the same country, I'd put those numbers up. BTW I did put up cost...for Germany.
How would it compare to the Kawasaki Versys 1000 LT? Thanks for the continued reviews and videos.
The last time I was on a Versys 1000 was back in 2019 (I tried to get my hands on one last summer 2023 but it didn't happen), so it would not be fair to compare to it. But with that said the newest version of the Versys has not changed very much, the core bike still remains, just updates here and there. Mainly this is about 45 lbs lighter and does not feel top heavy and way more power but also, the Versys is a lot cheaper, really cheaper, like 10k cheaper, that's a lot of money! You could buy a new Versys and a new middleweight naked bike for the price of one of these 👍😊
@@NothingToProve Gotcha, yeah I'm more of a BMW guy but the 18k price tag on the Kawasaki's is a sight cheaper than BMW's.
The Multi is quite a bit more in Canada. $32k. Do you still have the GS? Have not seen any recent videos about it.
Yea, that's understandable, considering your country has turned into a totalitarian regime and a Ducati is a piece of capitalistic extremism 🤣😂
Ok, ok, all joking aside - Yes, a video about this bike and my GS will come out next weekend, to where both are next to each other and I get out the tape measure and just look at the differences of the two bikes.
Take care,
Scott
The comparison table you shown is for advertised values, right? Because the only time I did 400 km on the KTM SAS was @ 70 km/h or less, I don't recall it well. Then, when I refilled it with gas, only half a liter remained.
Yes, of course. 👍
Best looker of the category. Tried one, felt it was too intense too much of the time to be a relaxing week long touring companion for 2 that a GS 1200 is so good at. Need to also try the rallye, in case its smoother?
Anyway, price is a good 5k more than a gs1250 over here in the uk, so its perhaps a bit academic
Cheaper and better looking 👍
Missed you for a long while! It seems that all is okay.
I have a 2022 V2S that rumbles away. Long distance is okay, but the wind blast ruins it all! Why can't they work this out when all else seems so perfected?
Chain is a problem in this high cost category. This should change as Ducati has the ability and a new purely off road choice now. This is a road bike.
@@ItsAllJustBollox It's more to do with class and feel at this level as the premium Multistrada. Also should have a single-sided swingarm.
I cured my wind issues on my V2S with a Puig Touring screen, no issues now, I’m 5’9” and it’s perfect on bottom setting. Hot Summer weather I swap for Puig Sports👍
Plz plz test the new Moto Guzzi V100 Stelvio ADV
Yea, as soon as I can get my hands on one!
You mentioned it twice?? About the brakes
What about the BMW s1000xr
Beautiful machine, but I feel that there's too much hi tech to go wrong on many of the bikes now. For that reason I'm leaning towards a Suzuki 1050 XT or DE for my next adventure tourer. I'd consider a Yamaha XT 1200 but they're not available any more sadly.
I had to laugh at the end of the video with the phone. I've got a KTM 1290 SAS and use the bar mount Quadlock system, so I could have a tablet and it wouldn't be a problem. I'm really considering getting an R1250RT and my S23 Ultra doesn't fit in that bike's phone area. With the case off it barely fits, but doesn't fully seat into place. How have you solved that problem? Thanks!
Get a smaller phone 🤣🤣🤣 Sad to say but that is the only way 😒🤨
@@NothingToProve LOL, I had to ask! I see Wunderlich makes a product that threads into the bars, so I may go that route and keep my existing Quadlock setup! Thanks for answering!
Considering selling my 21 K1600B for this exact model and color. I think the only thing I'll miss from the BMW is the stereo. And no, I'm not talking about the stock stereo (what a joke), I added an aftermarket amp and 6 1/2 speakers.
What’s happened to the “when one can be on two wheels” intro ?
Multistrada or 1290 SAS, which one is most punchy? Ducati has more hp but has less torque as well; what do u think?
My KTM 1290 SAS is outrageous. Almost too fast. Especially in sports mode. Have not tried the V4.
In a drag race the SAS would beat anything in this group, even this. But on a track, this would win...imho. But adventure bikes were never meant/designed to do those things BUT leave it to Ducati and KTM to do it anyway 😂🤣😁
@NothingToProve actually, the Multi beat it head to head in one of the bike channels tests. I think the SAS won in the roll race though.
I’m selling my gs after riding the Ducati, the fun factor is off the scale and it makes my gs feel like a slug. Rose the new gs… still a slug compared to the Ducati. I’m getting the new Ducati multistrada rally. Good luck 🍀 picking yours.
Please for most riders. Who do not know .what the difference in the brembo brakes & weight of motorcycles. Please explain what you mean.
The Brembo monoblock caliper - the Stylema version - is made for performance and Brembo made it lighter and put more cooling elements into it. For the sole purpose of racing, not for bigger heavier bikes. Simple. Usually bigger bikes have bigger calipers because the bike needs more stopping power to bring the weight to a stop. Ducati put the lightest caliper (M50 Stylema) (& most expensive) on the market today on a big bike and I usually don't like the feel of this on a heavy bike because it has a long pull and does not bite and lacks feeling but not on this, Ducati nailed it, that is why I went on & on about the caliper on this bike. Two thumbs up from me 👍👍
130 km/h at 5500 rpm.... should be under 4500 for such a big engine. (The Tiger rpm are the same at 130 and it is too much)
I have a GS 1250 and a 2017 1200 DVT Multistrada. I LOVE my Ducati but opted for a GS as replacement as the new V4 Multi is awful on fuel. I don’t need a 170 Honda adv bike.
When will manufacturers realise that 170lb/ft torque is more usable than 170bhp?
This is a real luxury prestige sport tourer and at 7L/100km definitely for the wealthy
Love your channel Scott and all the technical data you present. I think Ive watched all your videos. I’ve got a GSA with 27k on it in two years and an S1000XR in my garage. I thought you were a bit unfair on the Multistrada trying to get it to pull away in 6th from 30mph….. it’s definitely not on par with torque with any GS and needs to be ridden using the gearbox a little more same as my XR. I’ve test rode a V4 and thought it a brilliant bike. If you rocked up on your new GS1300 and drove off on the Multi, your whole mindset needs to change to the way you ride as I have to do with my bikes. You can’t ride the Multi with a GS head. Just an observation.
Thank you! And thank you for your perspective.
To judge each bike fairly I have to ride a bike according to it's respective category and compare it to the other bikes in the same category (it's competition). If I don't then it will be an unfair comparison. Ducati needs to put a 17" front wheel on this (like the Pikes Peak and RS versions) and call it a "cross" or sport-tour bike and take out the word "Adventure". Then I would not have mentioned 4k RPM at all and I'd be comparing it to the 1000XR & 1000GX for example.
It is a "brilliant" bike, yes, but not in the heavyweight ADV group, if you want to compete in this group you have to do everything well, not just performance. Honda, Yamaha, BMW, KTM, Triumph...etc. all get this, but Ducati continues to miss this point. And that was my point, I just didn't come right out and say it in the video, figuring that I've already "stepped on a few toes" of the Ducati faithful.
Take care,
Scott
the rally is worth it for the phone holder and tank alone
I don't think the gs even has radar so no adaptive cruise control either.
Ah...yea the GS DOES have all of it, even automatic ride height control, which this does not. Sorry I didn't mean to step on your Ducati toes.
If the Rally had a shaft drive, it would get my money over the GS Adventure!!!!
The fuel economy of the V4S is more sensitive to my throttle hand than any other bike I've owned. If you're just cruising across the country at 80 mph, then it has plenty of range for touring.
Quote of the day! You’re not a treehugger if you ride a Ducati!!! 😂😂😂
And the GS gets much better mpg's
WHY didn't Ducati cast that engine in BLACK....???
I would pay the extra $800 just to get a shaft drive!
In Canada warranty is only 2 years with no additional extended warranty from Duc available. For me this is a deal breaker. In Canada we can lose 6 out of every 12 months due to winter so this is in effect a 1 year warranty. Too bad as i like this bike.
It's too bad they didn't put the rally tank on this.
Nice bike but just too expensive… ✌️
I would rather have the 1260S... or the GS.
Shaft drive all day long…..my bike gets very few washes. A chain is certainly more efficient, but cleaning it, tensioning it and just the whole hassle, it’s a major negative for very high mileage, all weather riders. Each to his own though.
"That's a crime, getting a Ducati dirty", and so is buying it, if so.
2 Cylinders drop out until 4k revs
Only on the Rallye.
Hmmmm… V4GT with 36K in the comparison table? Really? 😉
Moto Guzzi stevlio i rather take✊🔥
Yea, me too! 👍😊
this is special,,gs is bit boring that is the difference
agreed but not the new one, I have a pp v4s to compare it to the new is a totally diff GS very fast on the top end on the hwy
The bike is going to shake at 3000 in 6 gear. You should be shifting down to 3
Ducati rear brake has been the same for the past 30 yrs
At that price I want zero wind noise
The 1300 GS is overpriced - IMO. Looking to see what the 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sport is going for.
No electric windscreen? That’s a mistake. No shaft drive… that’s a mistake as well for bike build for high mileage touring and commuting.
Nearly £25000 I don’t think I’ll bother I’m into bikes not techno foibles. Same goes for large BMW’s I’ll stick with my little tiger 800,
Thank you BMW 🤣
Thank goodness, you're back! There's an elephant in the vroom with the Multistada. That is, it's plug ugly. It looks very bad.
So you spend unfeasible amounts of Dosh on a pedigree Italian machine......but, it looks awful and costs the Earth....no thanks. Intelligent biking first
Thank you!
LOL! Yea, this has the most vibes in this category. You really made me laugh out loud. 🤣🤣
Ducatis are never happy below 4 grand.
He was lugging the shit out of that bike in 6th gear! 😮