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- Concert violence is nothing new, however, Crowd Killing is an extra super-special brand of idiocy that deserves zero respect.
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As a mosh-er from the 90s we had a code . We dont mosh to hurt and if someone went down we picked them up. Simply as that. We never tried to hurt someone. If it got out of hand there was always a giant on the sidelines with arms crossed ready to take out the trash if you get what I mean
Same thing for the mid to late 2000s. Those hardcore fucks were just starting to show up to shows.. punching and kicking the air. They were beat down quick. That shit was not tolerated, at least in SE Michigan.
too right!
I have to agree, also with experience from back in the early 1990's. This crowd killing thing didn't exist back then. People who tried stuff like that got dealt with, one way or another.
It was the same in New Orleans we took care of our fellow metal heads. Sad that it’s changed to idiots hurting people to prove they are a badass but with low intelligence and lack of self respect for others we have the inbred morons that think this is cool
Yeah, that's been my experience through the 00's and 10's as well (Western Canada)
If someone falls, you pick them up. Mosh pits are a way to release some energy and get more into the music, not beat the shit out of people. If you want to fight, take it outside where it's not the venue's or the band's problem or responsibility.
Law of the moshpit:
1. Thou shall bang thy head
2. Thou shall bump with thy brethren
3. Thou shall form a circle
4. Thou shall run around that circle
5. Thou shall not throw fists against your brethren
6. Thou shall not kick your brethren
7. Thou shall not throw elbows to your brethren
8. Thou shall not push your brethren for you shall look like a fool
9. Thou shall not involve someone who does not want to get involved for you shall look like a tool
10. Thou shall respect others
And those with the "Phil Anselmo" type will use the pit as a fighting ring
*shalt, if you please
Kevin Gs WK
I went to this year's Pulp Summer Slam to see Megadeth, the only metal fest here in the Philippines sadly. When it was I See Star's set, which I don't know why they are in a metal fest in the first place, kids go hardcore dancing throwing fists and those "Anselmo" types taunting people like they wanna fight. Bunch of idiots. Good thing I'm tall enough, they don't wanna mess with me haha.
11. Thou shall pull fallen brethren to their feet.
Rom Alvarez lol these are punk rules metal pits are so much more brutal
The first Slayer show I enjoyed in 98 at Chicago's Aragon Ballroom had a massive mosh pit. Every time some e fell, the collective stopped picked them up, hugged them sweatily and said you ok? Love you man.
It was amazing. When my guitar player fell and his glasses came apart, 3 strangers brought us the pieces so I could pop the lenses back in. Good times!
#fuckingslayer
That's how it's supposed to be. Luckily, it still is at metal shows. Somebody falls, everyone immediately forms a circle around them to give them room to get back up. It's common courtesy. If a core band plays, things often look a bit different.
Metal shows are weak
@@666deathghost if you keep throwing away the weakest link soon you'll run out of chain.
I'm 16 and had this same experience in every mosh I've been it. I've experienced a hardcore mosh and my first idea was to get out, I have nothing against them and what they do, I just rather not take part in it.
666deathghost you are dumb
Y'know 15 year old me just wanted to go to a hardcore show and have a good time. My friend was in one of the opening bands. I was just minding my own business having a good time, when a small group started eyeing me and my friend because we didnt really fit the scene. Whole entire show consisted of them attempting to go out of their way to crowdkill us. One of them at one point knocked my phone out of my hand and stomped it to pieces and played it off as an accident. Got hit "accidentally" so many times. Fuck this scene, just listen to the music and have fun and leave me the fuck alone.
I've been to quite a few Metalcore concerts in my teens, while actually dressing the part and often felt uncomfortable closer to the stage because there were also a considerable amount of such idiots in the Pit. I've stopped going to core shows for that very reason, I've never had any trouble or ever felt unsafe at Black, Death, Folk, Heavy, Power, Thrash or Slam Metal concerts. If you want to mosh there it's fun and if you don't, you're being left alone.
its a retarded scene. Modern hardcore is a joke
Wow, we're your legs broken? I can't think of any other reason you wouldn't move out of the way
@@Nantosuelta Listen bro, if you go to underground hardcore, and go near the state, in the middle of a mosh pit. You want to fight.
Get out of the pit and get out of the way bro.
Rules of the Pit:
1. You don't involve people that don't wanna be involved
2. When someone falls, you help them up
3. No fucking violent dancing / crowdkilling, a show is an evening event and not a mma ring
This man gets it!
Yes, Sir! We're out to have a good time together, NOT KILL EACH OTHER!
4. No karate
I was at a testament show, and they were playing D.N.R (which was their opener and completely unexpected) so my friend and I ran into the pit thirty seconds into the song I got shoved, and someone spilled there beer, and the way my friend described it is I did a back flip, and landed on my back, but the back of my head hit the floor pretty hard. In less then two seconds I had like four different dudes rush in to pick me up. And to add to this story even more, their was these two dudes who kept throwing people into the pit that clearly wanted no part, so this 6'4 buff dude looked at them, then I shit you not he looked like fucking Vader when he did this, he grabbed each one by the throat and threw them into the pit, and they got the living shit beaten out of them. One was wearing a sombrero and that thing was ripped into shreds by the time he basically limped out of the pit
Also I heard this: Respect the women in the pit (no memes intended) and guys, don't try to awkwardly touch them in the pit
I recall being in a moshpit in my prime, and hell we were moshing like there was no tomorrow. However, the most amazing thing happened. A guys glasses fell off as he was moshing, and everyone immediately moved backward and many helped to find the glasses. Once they were found, he put them back on and everyone continued moshing and had an awesome night. I miss those days. It’s very possible to mosh hard and take care of each other simultaneously. My heart goes out to this poor girl.
I lost balance in a moshpit once. Before I even hit the ground, someone pulled me back up on my feet again. Thanks to that anonymous guy.
Same here when I was younger. Pits at Every show I went to, from Local bands to Overkill, Not Once did Anyone get punched, elbowed in the teeth, etc. That windmilling, throwing elbows, is nothing but an Excuse for some A-hole, Punk, or some overgrown sissies that get bullied wind up doing; come to the shows & ruin it for others. He'll, I seen Tom Araya from Slayer stop a show cause the crowd got too rowdy!?& if anyone's been to to Slayer, they know; it's gotta be Bad, Real Outta Controlfor them to do that. Last show, I stayed at the Bar, safer.
Sadly it's not that usual, I suggest everyone who goes to a concert to bring cheap glasses to the show, or preferably with one of those rubber frames
While I'm not a fan of mosh pits, what you describe I haven't just seen but have been involved in as well. I remember something like this happening back in 2015 when I was at Sabaton Open Air. I was in a huge crowd, jumping and head banging, when I saw that the guy next to me was down on all fours. I stopped and asked him if he was OK and his girlfriend said, "he dropped his cellphone". And you guys know what happened? About 20 guys around us stopped their head banging/jumping after I pulled up the flash light (I was camping during the concert and it was in the middle of the night) to help him search for his cellphone. Furthermore, after his girlfriend told the others what had happened, five more guys joined the search for this guy's cellphone and amazingly we found it and it was still in one piece. Once he found his cellphone, everyone basically grabbed a beer and continued to have a good time. My point is; when someone goes down for any reason during a concert, be it in a mosh pit or the crowd in front of the musicians, everyone knows to stop whatever they are doing in case something bad is about to happen so no one gets hurt - THAT IS PROPER CONCERT ETIQUETTE!
Holy shit, I think that was me who dropped the glasses in your story! Was this at a mastodon concert in the starland ballroom in New Jersey?
Hardcore was different in my day I guess. If you hurt someone on the outside of the pit intentionally you’re getting dealt with by everyone
ratty ratty you should checkout this modern hardcore band knocked loose. The fans at their shows literally try to knock each other out 😂
EVERYONE. Literally. I kinda feel like actual violence in the culture has subsided a lot, and these dumbasses count on that. Shit wouldn’t fly back then- just bumping into someone too hard meant you were going home with busted knuckles and a fat lip.
@@nathanlozano5100 That's absolutely false
@@nathanlozano5100 They've stopped shows to pick people up.
Jon Presley well obviously not bro obviously using a metaphor to describe the atmosphere of their shows bro cmon now
Back in my day, deliberately swinging at someone and walking away wasn't some "tough guy" thing. It was a "being a pussy" thing.
"Culture is not an excuse for violence."
I love that. Spot on, Glenn. Kudos.
shadowsangheili We're not talking about Islam here. We're talking about crowd killing. Let's stay on topic, ok?
shadowsangheili Sure, I'll grant that. I don't know that the thread needs to devolve into xenophobic and hateful rants against folks that have nothing to do with the video.
Wil Bane I agree
Wil Bane culture isnt an excuse for anything. same with tradition.
just because people have always been screeching speds, doesnt mean you ought to act like a tard aswell.
ie cutting tge genitals of babies
@@WastelandBowman as Malchik said, I've yet to see an ideology less sexist, violent and homophobic than islam. A belief system that advocates that much violence will get no respect from me. Continue to be brainwashed into thinking islam is a religion of peace.
Going on for decades? No. that guy confuses this with moshing. The difference in a legit mosh pit being that you pushed and shoved and crashed into one another and maybe the occasional nudge of the elbows. Punching, kicking and stomping was never acceptable and if someone fell you picked them up... any mosh pit I was ever involved in, if someone began using fists or kicking or stomping someone who was down, the one who crossed that line was either removed by venue staff or the other moshers got them sorted out. This is just jackassery.
thisdyingsoul76 - it's been going on for over 20 years.
thisdyingsoul76 yea, anyone i see flialing their fuckin arms arpund, i charge them and knock them on their ass, in hopes that they realize thats how mosh pits are SUPPOSED to work. Or they get out
It has been going on for decades....i brought the style to denver myself in early 90s....and before that i seen the skins crowdkilling and saw suicidals crowdkilling in LA in the 80s...saw videos of dms crowdkilling in the early 90s
It happens....its always happenend in the more aggressive side of hc
I think the issue is that she wasn't actually IN the pit, she didn't want to be in the pit (from the sounds of it) and it was literally an unwarranted assault where some stupid fucker decided he was having a bad day and wanted to take it out on someone else...
It could have been anyone. Man, woman or child, it doesn't make assault acceptable. And doing stupid shit like that is NOT a mosh pit, a mosh pit is a very different experience and if you don't want to be a part of the pit, you don't do it... I had a girl cling to me at an A7X concert because she didn't want to go into the pit, she was almost pulled in once and when they realised she didn't want to they STOPPED... If someone fell in the pit they'd be dragged out, or picked up, not stomped on...
Dylan Collins not even close to what happened....and no he didnt have a bad day the kid was happy all night
In fact he is a happy type kid in general....he just turned 23....and a good person
He was doin his thang......there are no borders.....she was on and off the floor at all times....sometimes on sidelins but she was mostly in......she happened to catch a stray ine and he helped her.....
Then she set up a gofundme
Stay in the peanut gallery and express your opinion there
Cops saw all the videos from all phones.....DA ordered them not to be posted....but all if em showed and accident.....thats all
Ever notice how these guys always leave a show with not a scratch, it’s not because they’re super tough, it’s because they space themselves out and make sure they don’t hit each other. I’d have no problem if they stuck together and hit each other, but fists, elbows, knees, and feet only ever contact unsuspecting bystanders and that’s no accident. Total cowards, hitting unsuspecting people and disappearing into the crowd before they have a chance to react.
Absolutely. The last local show I went to (before covid hit) wasn't even a hardcore show (death metal), and one dude was trying to crowdkill the tiny venue when I was there with a pregnant friend of mine. One of our male friends made short work of him when he refused to stop, and "accidentally" punched him in the facd a few times and knocked his ass down. Needless to say, the dude stopped right then and there. Protect the crowd and kick crowdkillers to the curb where they belong.
Crowdkilling? Sounds like assault and battery to me.
Of course it do, to a normie ass metal listener
@ihate names Being a normie also means getting the shit beat out of you and your sneakers taken off your lifeless body, for being a posuer and a bitch
@ihate names Looks like you can't fully qualify for being a normie being you're not good with punctuations. You're half steppin little boy
666deathghost fuckin poser
yikes dude, you're partying too hard, mom will be home soon.
This is kind of why I don't go to shows anymore. I was at a local show a while back, some giant 250lb asshat bro decided to do this shit. I'm a smaller dude, and this guy paused during his "dancing", looked straight at me, decided I was an easy target, and started "dancing" his way over. I ducked out of his punch and the guy behind me got decked. Bro-Douche ended up getting kicked out. While I have no doubt some people genuinely do this with no ill-intent, there are definitely others that use this an excuse to do some serious damage. Fucking stupid.
Agufish Indeed. This is why I get seats instead of pit tickets.
indeed
Agufish I completely agree with you. Went to a Mastodon concert in Portland and some assfuck was throwing punches at people who weren't even in the pit. Soon as he turned his back I kicked him right in the spine and he flew forward into the pit. Greatest feeling ever. Also, love your videos.
Agufish A Lot of us do it with no ill intent
Dick Baguette every fucking show I've ever been to in Portland. Every one.
Moshing is fine. Crowd Killing is stupid. There's kind of an unspoken pit etiquette when it comes to this stuff. You get too violent and either you get told to knock it off or someone hits you back. If someone's on the floor, you help them back up. You DONT hit people who aren't in the pit. And if you find yourself punching the lights out of kids in the crowd, you STOP or face the consequences. That dude definitely needs to see consequences for his actions.
I saw the video. I just didn't get that from him. Like I could barley tell anything even happened. But I wasn't there so I really can't say. I would never do that.
IMO the flailing doesnt make sense, when I go in a pit I try to keep it to shoving, not throwing punches or kicks or anything like that
Imagine this woman walked onto a football field in the middle of a game and one of the people running the ball slammed into her and smashed all of her teeth out. Would you consider him responsible, because he should be able to control his body, he was running fast with force and the intention to cause damage if he collided with someone (even if he didnt mean to collide with her), etc, or her to blame for walking onto the football field in the middle of the game? Please use your brain.
@@jazzabighits4473 I really admire you for commenting on a three year old comment for one.
For two, my brain is telling me that the mosh pit is not the same as a football field in many ways, but the primary one being that a football field is a place where non-participants are not allowed to access during a regular event. I think a more appropriate analogy would be simply driving. I get on the road everyday knowing that I'm statistically likely to get hurt at some point while on the road. If one chooses to drive unsafely, they choose to put others at risk as well. I may have the right do it, but it still makes me the asshole if I choose to do so and hurt someone in the process.
And third, I don't mind disagreeing about a topic, but please don't insult me or others for doing so.
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I disagree with your driving analogy, it'd be more like driving your car into a demolition derby and then being surprised when someone plows into the side of you. These hardcore venues are full of idiots who hit eachother while pretending to "dance", you should know that before going to them. I've never been to one of these shows and never plan to, and I know what they are, I'm sure the girl who got hurt knew what they are and the risks associated. If it was foul play or not legitimate, he would've got in trouble, but all charges were dropped because it was obvious to most people that there is a risk of injury going to one of those things. My guess is that as they sell tickets they tell you that you may get hurt and can't sue or something.
Nod.
There is perfect idea of fight club, crowdkillers can use it to full potential and leave music lovers alone.
If this guy really would be sorry , he would pay the hospital Bill's for this girl here and now ...
He looks like hardcore Benjamin Franklin
head high bmx holy shit, this just made my day
Lmfaooo
Glenn Franklin: the forefather of rock and roll media.
I was thinking of Penn Jillette.
head high bmx Ben franklin was pretty hardcore.
When people say "oooh, don't go in the pit if you don't want to be seriously injured, go in a safe area". How about we cordon off an arm swinging imbecile only area at the side of the room and leave the rest of the floor free for normal people to have a good time.
thats already in place, you need a ticket to get out of it, or into the show, as its known to attendees...::sigh::its a shame im more inclined to pick someone up in the pit, than to stomp them on the ground for doing karate, buts thats life
@@maxfamilant246 If your picking people up off the floor, then your doing the right thing!! Good for you.
or maybe dont go to hardcore shows if youre a pussy lol
lol, awesome. The flailing fist thrower area should be at the back of the venue, near the restrooms.
@@crsc3095 Exactly!!! Omg i was thinking the same.
I'm 51 ... been going to punk, metal, hardcore shows since the mid 80s... in Tampa! We always had crazy pits. Rarely did someone get seriously hurt. As others have stated, we always looked out for each other. If someone went down, they got picked up. Now ... to speak to this incident, I'm guessing this girl wasn't in the pit, but on the edge. There is a expectaion to NOT have some fist swinging dipshit flying into the crowd ... where there IS NOT A PIT!
Also ... you can cry "culture" all you want. You keep this up and your shows will vanish. I've watched several good venues either close or stop having punk / hardcore shows altogether because of pits, crowd surfing, stage diving. The liability is too much. So keep it up Denver, and you won't have a "culture" left.
Definitely Not the most punk think ive ever heard
@@quintonclyde198 Whether its "pubk" or not is irrelevant. Its true. 1 bad apple ruins the bushel.
This. I grew up in Tampa and went to shows at the brass mug and this kind of shit would get your ass kicked.
The power of the crowd can be too much to control in some pits. I've seen some gnarly shit happen to people and the crowd kept pushing people around as a whole while people were getting trampled and no one could do anything about it. It's natural selection at work. If you get fucked up in a pit it's your own fault for entering chaos and maybe you're too stupid for nature to tolerate. Lmao. Truth hurts just like stupidity. Btw, I've moshed to and fuck off haters
Yeah, I live in Tampa and unfortunately a lot of tri state idiots from Jersey and Mass are bringing this garbage to Tampa and if you complain they're like "it's part of the culture"... I'm like dude you've been here a year, watchu know about the scene
NO KARATE IN THE PIT
It’s worse than cupping the mic
😂😂 i need a print of that
Stfu posuer, and fuck Havok, poseur thrash metal from the new era
@@666deathghost Found the emo bitch
@@mygoodness2041 Even emos are more tough than pussy ass metalheads, they can't even fight worth shit
666deathghost bruh a metal head would kick a skinny Emos ass any day STFU you edgy stuck in teenhood crusty bloke you seem to think that because you don't care about other peoples well being it makes you cool well it don't.
Pit Etiquette people
Mike McCourt why is it not called pitiquette
Mike McCourt You say true, I say thank you.
AmNeenja it is now.
AmNeenja because it’s called no karate in the pit.
Word
No karate in the pit.
These metalheads passing judgment on other scenes is so fucking annoying...
No, you shouldn't throw down at a metal show, you are probably going to get your ass beat by the home-scene. The same way if you try push moshing in a hardcore pit you are going to get your ass beat. Be respectful and know how to fucking act when at a show and there shouldn't be a problem.
But don't fucking sling insults around telling us how we should and shouldn't act at our shows.
Three times the waste size maybe. Just because you're fat doesn't mean you're tough.
OH MAN I CAN PUSH SOMEONE HALF MY WEIGHT!!! I MUST BE A TOUGH GUY!!!
Skullcrusher 529 I agree those guys are assholes. If I see them I get out.
Michael McGregor yea dude mostly slam dancing/throwdown is not only for Hardcore but more of the core subgenre like metalcore and deathcore and all that. im on both sides the Push Mosh and Slam dance so yea i get you man
PinKushin Right?! If you were around in the late 80s in the old hardcore pits, could you imagine somebody punching out into the crowd and hitting a woman or a girl? It would have gone so badly for them after that happened. And I don't think anybody would be defending the action of punching into the crowd. There was the understanding that you didn't get into the pit unless you're willing to get knocked around a bit but even in the pit people aren't throwing punches at each other. There would occasionally be some guy who is f***** up and out of control. And the other guys would deal with him. And the crowd wasn't involved. At least not in my experience. It's possible other people have experienced other things
I’m too old to mosh anymore. That said if someone decides to come crowd killing near me I’m not to old for ass kicking. In our metal scene we looked out for one another and helped them if they went down. Attacking a bystander even on the edge of the pit is cowardly.
Buddy if you’re too “old” to mosh I guarantee you you’re too old to fight a 300 pound mosh crew dude haha
@@Tecom38415 I am a 300lb active hockey player. Just because I’m too old to enjoy the pit anymore doesn’t mean I can’t handle myself.
@@J2Metal youll get stomped or kicked out For sure haha don’t fw with the hardcore scene unless you can handle the heat.
@@Tecom38415 yeah… not afraid of the hardcore scene dude. I also don’t hate the hardcore scene. But if you’re a douche you’ll get sorted out like a douche eventually.
You are so cringe
When I went to the thrash shows with bands like Slayer and Megadeth, we always looked after each other and helped each other up if things got a little too rough.
That's how the last Gallows gig I went to was like. I got knocked down multiple time because I was a 15 year old twat in a pit and people just help you up. Lost a shoe? Here it is bud. Lost a tooth, sorry man here's a pint.
Went to see while she sleeps a few years later and it just turned into a brawl no one could get out of. I ended up having to swing to defend myself from people actively pulling people out of the crowd into the pit then stomping on them. Absolute shitshow
This is not the moshing I know. Moshing to me has always been much more civilized. If someone falls down, pick them up! Never throw punches or fight in the pit. Pushing and shoving are to be expected, but never punching! Have the fucking decency to respect your fellow man in the pit! God damn
shmarginwoof good at least you have an idea of what really means!
I remember when I was maybe 15 we'd go out moshing and whenever someone would fall everyone around would protect the person on the ground while someone would pull him/her up and then you had that quick "you cool?" nod and the moshing was back on. I haven't seen that kind of respect in the moshpit since maybe 2009.
shmarginwoof fuck yeah man that's the way it's supposed to be
I've been in several moshpits in recent years and almost everybody (save a handful of retards) were aware of these "gentlemen's rules" and followed them. Never had a problem of not getting picked up after falling or of getting fisted in the face. Then again, I'm not sure what bands' shows did you attend.
God damn indeed
Good points made by Glenn. "You throw a punch, you are responsible for the outcome." Can it get any more obvious?
sassulusmagnus i agree, although sadly that isn't enough to stop idiots from defending this shit.
In 2011 I saw Deicide at Reggie's Rock Joint on the South Side of Chicago. Some huge guy there was 'crowdkilling' and all of a sudden security at the venue appeared randomly in the room and would shove the crowdkiller away from the walls of people while he 'danced'. I've never seen a venue takes these steps except in this instance. Shout out to Reggies, they rock!
I've worked Security at HardCore shows for over 2 decades and seen this happen first hand, countless times. The weak, single out the weaker and go directly after them.
I've seen people line up others and outright, "attack them"!
It's a form of accepted "bullying", as the groups single out, other groups and attack each other in this cowardly way, hiding within the safety of their cliques, not fearing reprisal against them individually, while shaming the victims for having been injured.
It's very much indicative of modern day, "frat culture", which we all know is frowned upon and has lead to heavy fines and charges in recent history!
The venue is completely responsible and should be held accountable for all patrons within the confines of their walls! Which at the same time doesn't negate the patron's responsibility to one another, regardless of the event.
This is an issue that has been ignored for far too long!
My heart goes out to this, "victim" and the atrocious attack upon her!
Get a lawyer, get them to release the video publicly, and put everyone's head on the block, the venue, the attacker, their Security and everyone else in between!
Good luck Janelle!
'Culture is no excuse for violence' that is your quote of the year Glen, well done. This is your best video ever. Seriously.
GuitarGirl Hear that quote, Muslims? You can't hide behind "culture" anymore.
I agree with this.
John T. Campbell Not the right video to post this comment, don't be that guy.
Sasis321 Honestly, you're right. But, *it is* still true. The followers of Islam ( *of course, _ **#notall** _* ), hide behind the word "culture" for the bat shit *insane* parts of their religion. When he said it, honestly, Islam was the first thing I thought of and that's why I said that. Also, please don't think that this just applies to Islam. *All religions* are equally terrible, in my opinion. It also applies to these idiots in America that falsely claim "America is a Christian nation!" Uhh... *Nope!*
Religion _is not_ culture!
Didn't mean to offend. I just want people to realize that criticising a religion, or group, is okay; *even if it's a minority.*
I don't know where you wackos get this Idea that Muslims use culture to justify violence but it has no basis in reality. There are Muslims that don't justify violence, and Muslims that justify violence with god, but never have I ever seen one try to justify it with culture. Sexism is what they justify with culture.
everyone was kung fu fighting
+AmazingAce ... and that would be fine in a ring.
yup
Omg, this made me laugh way more than it should have
Those kicks were fast as lightening!
*everybody
There's a difference. Moshers hate crowdkillers.
This made my day XD this can never get any fucking true
Moshers and crowd killers are both lame.
@@domdraper3221 facepalm
@@fylipghosta5074 exactly what I do when people think moshing is cool.
@@domdraper3221 look if u dont like it just stay out its not that hard ppl hurt eachother by throwing punches or kicking etc. That doesnt happen in the pit (just as Havok said: "No karate in the pit")
First time I was in a pit, at 15 years old, I tripped and fell. As soon as went down three people were immediately picking me up. It was awesome. I got it right away. Have fun, release your aggression but make sure no one around you gets hurt. It was an unspoken code of behavior, and I immediately felt like a participant, and a member of a culture. A youth culture. Our own culture, and being a prick and hurting people was fucking blasphemy. Crowd killing is our culture being high jacked by the dumb jocks we all wanted to have nothing to do with. It’s Woodstock 99. Fuck that, fuck them.
Moshing was born out of police brutality when cops would come into punk shows in the 80s and beat people up. the hardcore dancing scene was the original moshing but even then there was a code that it stays in the pit and yeah if you fall into the crowd a little then whatever but going around the edge of the pit and punching people and hitting them in the head is ridiculous! Even the original hardcore moshing you would make sure no one got injured too bad but now these drunk dirt bags are coming into hardcore shows and trying to litteraly kill people. Hardcore used to be a really intense brutal way of moshing but never was hitting unsuspecting innocent people in the crowd with intention to injure
This makes me not want to go to anymore shows. I've been in pits for over 35 years. 1st rule was if someone falls, PICK THEM UP! I've been and have helped that one who falls. It does make you feel part of something bigger. I've never been hurt and I was tiny
@@junglemast3r I don’t know about that whole police brutality thing. In the 70’s, before Sid Vicious joined the Sex Pistols, he would be in the crowd of every show jumping up and down, and called it the pogo. He would eventually knock into people. Then he started purposely knocking into a group of kids who were alway right in front of the stage known as The Bromley Contingent, because they got on his nerves. It caught on fast, everyone was pogoing and spitting on each other which they called gobbing. When it made it to America, the CBGB’s crowd wasn’t into all the spitting, thankfully, and it all just evolved into moshing.
That was my understanding of its origins, but it’s just pushing shoving in a crowd of hyperactive people. People were probably moshing at live shows before punk became punk. It’s inevitable. Multiple discovery is the phrase that comes to mind. When multiple different people come up with the same invention, roughly around the same time, independently. It happens when the time is right for a perfect storm of progresss due to the state of knowledge, science, and technology at the time it was produced. It becomes more of an inevitable discovery waiting to be found rather than one person’s invention. It probably started like that. We just needed the right kind of music to come along and unlock that aggression, and moshing is the result.
Man, that got pretty long. Sorry about that, but that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. ✌️
your line about the dumb jocks hijacking things sounds exactly like a Metallica show during the Reload tour. Nothing but fights and bull shit... ALL involving those sorts of people.
No mystery why there'd be half a dozen cop cars outside the known jock and frat boy hangouts every night at last call- and none at the club that actually allowed us to mosh. They didn't even have a bouncer, lol.
Even inside a moshpit, you should get your ass kicked out for intentionally hurting someone, punching, kicking whatever else. There is an unwritten rule of the pit that clearly says (maybe not clear enough): NO FIGHTING. Of course you push yourselves around inside a pit, but you're not delivering hits, difference to be made here. Maybe it's time to educate some people about these "unwritten rules" and the real meaning of a pit.
"Whatever you see someone do to someone else in a mosh pit is ok to do to them."
Frédérick Germain if i see a dude punching a woman i smash his face to a concrete step
Frédérick Germain yeah the mosh pits I've been in were just pushing and shit. It was awesome. When anyone tries hardcore dancing, we knock them out and beat their asses.
It's been a long while but in the 90s the rule was if somebody gets pushed down you help them back up. No exceptions.
Still the 'unwritten' rule up here in Canada at every show ever. Hell, Randy (Lamb of God) takes the time to say exactly that. But that's probably because of the whole Prague incident. Be that as it may, someone goes down, you get them up and on their feet.
It's common decency
This whole situation is ridiculous. Crowdkilling is one of the worst concepts I've ever heard of. Fucking Denver.
Well said.
@Raven Wraith
I totally agree.
Nice name by the way. ;)
Sadly it's not just Denver. It's all over the place.
trickflip1 Sad but true. Denver just can't seem to get a hang of itself, though.
Crowdkilling don't seems to be everywhere actually, in France it didn't happens a lot (from my opinion), but i'm afraid that it will grow bigger. It's insanely stupid to see some douchebags thinking metal is a place where we like to "punch the others because WE ARE BRUTAL". Dumb as fuck
A couple of years ago I was at a show seeing Destruction, I tripped while in the moshpit and for a second I thought ''Here we go, now my ribs are going''. Then a guy saw me and picked me up immediately, asking if I was ok. When I said yes he gave me a high five and threw me back in the pit, it was hilarious :') I had so much fun
Havok said it best: no karate in the pit
Throw em in the after burner
Havok is garbage just like their fan base, a bunch of ex scene kid hipsters thinking thrash metal is cool again
@@666deathghost U a dumb bitch
@@mygoodness2041 You mad?
@@666deathghost Well at least I'm not a dumb bitch
It's a concert not a fucking mma cage..
Yep. They're nothing but cowards, flinging arms about everywhere to "vent" because the big boys at school bully them. ;)
Like I've said elsewhere, they should man up and get into a ring if they're as hard as they like to maintain.
Yeah and even if it was an mma cage zero of these guys fight with any honour, half the time they literally just kick you when your down, or as Izzy stated just lob punches at you for being near them.... People got issues and they really gotta leave em at the door of the venue, it's just becoming s'more common thing I see at shows and is turning me off from the metal community
😂😂😂😂 those pussies would be too scared to step into an mma cage
It's a concert, where you can let out all your rage. Not for bieber fans. Stop going to heavy shows if you're so scared of a pit lol.
Jordan Joestar I'm paying money to go and enjoy a band play their music, not to get kicked or decked by some random fuck face, just because he wants to vent out where they're LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
I used to be a mosher, and loved it, but then one night some jagoff started "crowdkilling" in a pit I was participating in and broke my nose. Several of us took care of that issue right then and there, then we all jumped back into the fun while he ran off crying. To this day, my septum is still deviated and I have multiple health problems as a direct result. Had that asshat not done that, such issues would be non-existent. A mosh pit is NOT the same as a crowdkill, they're very different. Mosh all you want, but the second fists start flying, I'm putting you down, hard.
That Ronald Smith Guy: first show i went to when i was like 15 i turned to talk to my friend and some asshole “hardcore dancing” punched me in the back of the head. I turned around for like a second. Dude was probably looking for targets that couldnt hit back..
/r/thathappened
Today on "things that never happened"
No one believes you pussy
About 7 years ago my friend and I when to see Broken Hope and there was one dumb ass doing his silly kicks and punches. The crowd was annoyed by it and one fella decided to solve the problem. He cleared a path then proceeded to put a brutal tackle on the hardcore kid. The crowd cheered and the idiot stopped with the shitty kicks and punches.
I just want to say I love your channel and, even though I know nothing about recording, your instructions are given at a level where a layman like myself can understand it. Also, your band advice is outstanding and straight to the point. Don't let the haters bring you down, sir. I think you're doing a great job.
Crap like this is why I don't like going to concerts. I go to watch the band and enjoy the music, not to try and defend myself the entire time. Thankfully, Iron Maiden shows still don't have crazy things like this happening :)
* all I would like to know is*-after I "Run To The Hills" for A "Piece Of Mind","Can I Play With Madness?" >=^P
Mile High Shred, I can't imagine Bruce shirking responsibility for someone getting hurt at one of HIS gigs. He is a master of his craft and has complete control of the crowd.
I've seen a couple of clips where he berates some people for being total a-holes to other concert goers. He certainly does his best to keep things enjoyable for everyone attending!
as far as i heard there are moshes in iron maiden concerts but they arent violent
The only problem I had at the Iron Maiden show was some kid smoking in the arena, I asked him for a drag, dropped it on the floor and put it out.
i dont get it.. in punk concerts in 90s i was, if somebody is falling down, we help him or her up, some dudes makes some space, till it was clear, everything is fine - before anybody dance further.. nobody have to told us to do that, it was just normal.
Broadly still true. I don't think the video creator really understands how hardcore punk pits operate. We will kick anyone who does this intentionally & will stop a whole pit, sometimes the band as well will stop FOR the pit, just to look for a phone or glasses.
generally speaking I found that the more violent people is people that don't even like this music and don't understand mosh, so they just enter the mosh thinking that moshing is like a fight and start just trying to kick and hit everyone
I remember the band At the Drive-In complaining live about dancing. He said ''Let's have fun, instead of beating the shit out of each other'' lol. The singer actually mocked the dancers saying they were followers and said some shit about them watching too much TV and he mocked them making sheep sounds lmfao!
yeah mate. i think these hardcore guys who swing their fists & legs are doing what they think a moshpit is. its like they saw something on TV, didnt understand what it was, and emulated it without any of the understanding. imbeciles.
As far as her being combative with the medical responders (as per his response), that is a common sign of brain trama .
My dad has been a paramedic for almost 40 years and specializes in trauma and i can confirm. Brain trauma can seriously cause you to act wonky as hell.
It's also the response of people who know a $5,000 hospital bill can ruin their life.
I'm going to assume 'brain trama' is a brand of beer.
@@strangelee4400 don't assume that. Assume there isn't a beer named Brain Trauma, then make your own beer and name it head trauma
Theres a difference between moshing and doing shit like that in a pit, and just doing it in the crowd as well. Like if she was in the center of the pit taunting people to come at her or some shit is the only way i could buy the whole assumed risk of injury. But getting that injured while just being part of the regular crowd is very fucked up.
I remember on a Festival someone "Crowdkilling" (didn't even know the term beforehand)
He hit several people, even tore my glasses down, so I threw a punch into his face. He started crying, the dudes around me cheered and a big guy pulled me up so I could crowd surf away.
Damn this story sounds ridiculous but it was pretty funny
And then everyone applauded. Stfu
Donated. This is such a terrible set of circumstances. Thank you for paying it forward.
I always thought crowd killing was when you played the 12 minute Deep philosophical ballad
I think I'd rather have that.
"This is a new track our singer wrote" *pulls out 12-string*
Sounds like a shot at tool lol
I hate pit ninjas. If you throw a punch in any way you are responsible for where it lands. It being "part of the culture," is not an excuse. I hope the guy gets charged.
NOTHING is an excuse for throwing punches, except self defense
Theenragedone I hope he gets arrested for assault.
Theenragedone At most hardcore shows, the dancing has tamed in recent years. Crowdkilling by & large isn't as accepted as it once was.
Beatdown shows are the only absolute instance where you should expect to be hit at some point.
The same idea of "you are responsible for where it lands" goes for headbanging and fist pumping. If you headbutt someone while headbanging, you don't blame the person you hit, you stand tall and take responsibility, apologize and try to be more aware of your surroundings.
With the kind of fractures and such she had, could be attempted manslaughter even.
Things you don't do in a moshpit - 1. Throw punches 2. Throw elbows and 3. Trip people. Doing 1 & 2 will get 3 done to you and possibly a kick to the face while you're down...seen it happen more times than I care to remember.
also, never go in with the head. a douche once did this in a show, using his head to aim at others. got me in the chest twice and i can tell you this shit hurts whole differently than punches/elbows. still regret not hammering him to the floor...
slappy200 no fucking karate in the pit
Imagine this woman walked onto a football field in the middle of a game and one of the people running the ball slammed into her and smashed all of her teeth out. Would you consider him responsible, because he should be able to control his body, he was running fast with force and the intention to cause damage if he collided with someone (even if he didnt mean to collide with her), etc, or her to blame for walking onto the football field in the middle of the game? Please use your brain.
Fake rules lmao
@@woah4848 hahaha you’re such a sheep. “NO kARaTe iN tHe piT” bro no one literally NO ONE is gonna hardcore dance at a cannibal corpse or Metallica show chill tf out kid
I came home from a local hardcore show with my own blood all over my face. I had no experience being in a hardcore mosh pit, and got pushed into another person throwing elbows at people. I went home and explained to my mom that I basically got wombo combod while dancing. I was never allowed to go to another show until I turned 18.
The elbows n fists r so dangerous....it's fine alone or spaced out, but totally inappropriate in close pits.
Brilliant video Glenn. Thank you.
This is why i go to snoop dog shows, everyone is high and there is no violence
2AM Soul thats cause everyone has a piece..lol... enter crowdkiller and bang, it's over.
macleanclassics Lmao
But then you gotta' sit through a nigga' "rapping" over a tape....
Terry Hesticles lol do you even know who Snoop Dogg is?
2AM SOUL bro is being top youtube comment your job lol you everywhere
Havok has it right: NO KARATE IN THE PIT!
Seriously, they even played with Fit For an Autopsy at one point.
I don't get Havok.
Hahaha. It's more like "misuse of karate is forbidden". Because karate is meant to keep you away from violence, you know?
dance for hardcore bands, push pit for metal bands. don't be a pussy in either pit.
Jordan Holland such a tough guy until you get your skull fractured, teeth knocked out and nose broken.
Martijn Van Gameren yeah but I would realize it was an ACCIDENT because no crowdkiller means any harm. if it's intentional it isn't crowdkilling
Thank you Glenn for making a video about this subject! I agree 100% that there's absolutely no reason to risk harming someone at a show (or anywhere else for that matter).
As someone who makes their living mostly on stage I'd like to weigh in and say that personally I get very anxious if I see someone behaving in a way that might cause harm to others. Even if, say, someone very drunk tries to climb up on a friend's shoulders or an enthusiastic fan in the second row is putting too much pressure on a smaller person in front of them.
These kind of things definitely have a negative impact on my ability to focus and perform.
I realize this is and old video, but a very relevant subject nonetheless!
Fugazi used to stop shows when people moshed. Slam dancing has changed over the years. The more mainstream it got the dancing aspect stopped and the slam increased to where people where basically playing football/UFC.
I mean, this has been an unfortunate element of Hardcore since a long time ago. Fugazi stopped moshers because Ian and Guy were in the early 80's DC Hardcore scene and saw firsthand the destructive effects of every show acting as a venue for street fighting. Even if "hardcore dancing" is a newer development, Hardcore has always attracted violent assholes.
Broken ribs & back from being crushed in to the barricade back in 98 right here during Earth Crisis. Ruined my career & life. No help, no meds, can't work, stuck in all loopholes so no insurance...I'm not physically violent but I'd love to see Lucille get some justice
I've been going to hardcore and metal shows since I was 9 years old since 1986. Crowd killing is not a generation's long phenomenon. It has maybe been going on for at most 20 years.
Throwing blind punches and kicks is not a "shit happens" scenario.
As an attorney I can tell you, that guy and the venue would be paying through the teeth (no pun intended). You can't obligate someone to expect physical injury outside of a controlled prize fight contract.
BassasaurusRex shut up its been going on since the beginning.....i doubt you were going to shows at 9 lol mommy let u take the bus or are you gonna give us that older brother lie??
xgymratx
1. From your own post "pre-crowd killing days" so you admit it hasn't always been a thing.
2. Youth crews fighting skins at shows isn't crowd killing. That's ongoing beef being settled and virtually never spilled over to unintended targets like crowd kills do.
3. Breakdown 1988- not a single crowd kill in that entire video. Swinging your legs below waist level and swinging your arms generally downward is and has always been skanking/moshing. That's literally all there is in that video. Not even in the same world as crowd killing.
4. Now it's clear you don't know what crowd killing even refers to.
5. Denver and SLC " Big city" was a good laugh. I grew up in Chicago, went to HS for two years in Brooklyn and lived South of Downtown in Los Angeles for 5 years, ya know, actual big cities.
I'm sure you're better versed on skiing and random wild animal attacks though.
6. When you're done fantasizing about, my frankly gorgeous, buns and cutting holes in the mouths of the band members of Atreyu on your posters, educate yourself.
You should know what the fuck is being talked about before talking shit. It's not about someone walking into an inadvertent elbow, which happens. It's dickheads squaring people up and throwing snap kicks/punches deliberately at unsuspecting people's heads.
xgymratx “it’s been going on since the beginning”. That’s your justification/rationalization for this pathetic behavior?
xgymratx Hahaha! We got a badass here.
I can only imagine the physical abuse and emotional torture you’re subjected to even in your advanced age.
xgymratx Usually the people who need to sell the fact that they're badass more than likely aren't.
If someone falls down in the pit you help them back up. If someone gets hurt, you help them out. This has been understood at almost every show I've been to.
Plenty of local hardcore guys from my area say the whole, "if you can't handle the mosh, don't go to the show" schlock.
Then they proceed to bitch that no one's showing up to shows anymore.
Crowdkilling = posers
All Exotic Tarot and Divination lol yeah clearly.. it's funny af
Metal = poseurs
but nobody on a channel like this wants to hear that.
Crowdkillers = neckbeards who managed to escape from their moms basements and are finding a way to vent their virginity frustrations at hardcore shows
All Exotic Tarot and Divination 'its a historic part of msinstream culture' said a fringe poser
Adam Broderick it’s funny cause Daniel gets more pussy then any man I’ve ever met 😂
That shit makes me cringe when I see it at shows. Its embarrassing.
I was a mosh pit monster back in the day, but I NEVER EVER went into a pit with intent to hurt or maim anyone. If someone got knocked down and someone stomped on someone I promply laid that person out and threw them out of any pit I was involved in and made sure that person was back up and ok. We moshers did not take kindly to anyone back in those days that were trying to hurt people on purpose! I'll be 48 next month and now-a-days I avoid any of that crap and when I'm mixing a live show at my venue, and anyone starts that crap they get thrown out. Liability these days is insane, and I'll not let anyone ruin a show I'm mixing because they think it's ok to flail around like a rabid animal, not on my watch!
I don't even know why moshing went from what it was, to this 'crowd-killing' it's called today. Mosh pits got pretty rough in my day, but we always made sure no one got seriously hurt. Bumps and bruises maybe even some minor cuts, but no one fucking died or had teeth knocked out or skulls fractured!
I go to hardcore shows and play in a hardcore band and I love the parts of the culture that make it crazy and reckless (stage diving and slam dancing, 2-step ect) and I still enjoy a good push pit at a metal or punk show, but the crowd killing thing is really getting out of hand especially in the newer waves of metal core.
I think it is totally possible to flail around to look cool (if that’s what you think looks cool and sometimes it does) without actually putting enough momentum behind your strikes to connect and hurt somebody. If been hit by plenty of people that look like they are going to hit hard and it’s all fun and in good sport.
But every show has 1-3 people that are targeting people or trying to hit their friends because they think everyone is cool with it and that can get pretty crazy.
My band played a set and a group of guys came over and told us how they really liked our show blah blah blah seemed like nice enough dudes and then when the next band started playing they were punching me in the back of the head on purpose.
These same people will say that pits have “safe zones” and THEN push the put out into the safe zones and beat up on people trying to stay out of it just the same.
It gets even weirder at small basement shows where iv had dudes kick me while I was flat backed against a concrete wall.
Everybody takes the hits because the scene is so fluid on egos and images that standing out against it or saying anything will make people not want to listen to your band but at the same time the SAME people that are doing the crowd killing make social media posts about being safe and inclusive and anti violence.
It is such a bullshit scenario but there’s nothing worse than the threat of losing the mosh entirely in the DIY scene because to an extent the culture does have to be preserved, if it were up to me everyone would be consciousness and self aware enough to understand the line between having fun and putting people in danger.
In the mean time I’ll just hit the pit for a pitiful 2 step and stay the hell back for the crowd kill bands.
I've been to a ton of extreme metal shows over the years (thrash, black, death etc), and have seen maybe a handful of legitimate accidents in mosh pits that resulted in people getting injured. Usually bloody lips or noses, but there was one show I recall where a guy slipped and fell in the pit and busted his head open. Thing is, that was a LEGITIMATE accident. People were moshing, some beer got spilled, he slipped and hit his head.
Moshing does come with risks, and I would imagine that the majority of people who participate understand and accept those risks. However the risk does seem to be rather minimal when it comes to traditional or "circle" mosh pits, and the percentage of the time (in my experience) where everyone comes out of it with nothing more than sweat stains and a couple bruises trends in the high 90%s.
That being said, when you're flailing your arms and legs around in the pit like an epileptic at a beginners Karate class, you increase the risk of injuring people by several orders of magnitude. Plus you look like an overfilled bag of douche.
In short, if you're gonna mosh, mosh respectfully. Which might require you to grow the fuck up.
yeah i've been in multiple pits through out the years and out of all of them I have only been punched one time.....it was a death core show and you guessed it, they were "hardcore dancing". Shit is honestly retarded, I don't mind death core as a genre but I will definitely re-think attending a death core show in the future. I've seen slam pits get violent, but that is still, like you said, minimal risk of injury... bloody lip at the most.
yeah in that case i would say both parties were in agreement with the risks, 2 people running into eachother still has risks. those are accidents but crowdkilling the victim isnt running at the other person, they're just standing watching the band several metres away from the pit. thats not an accident thats assault
Does not make you any less of a fucking idiot, I hope you are under 21 or so, otherwise you have no life at all.
Y'know what happens when you assume? You make an ass out of you and, well, also you.
NoneSoVile aaah, the old ass of you and me assume joke. That's a classic right there sir, good on you man!
That's why I go to Sunn O))) shows. The loudest and heaviest shit you'll ever hear, and no one's moving.
AnotherGuyOnTH-cam yeah that‘s true lol the biggest movement you could probably see at a Sunn Show is some people slowly nodding their heads
(+AnotherGuyOnTH-cam) I would love to see a Sunn O))) show someday.
Everyone is too entranced by the sacred experience of amplifier worship.
i have to take a psychedelic when i go to a boring ass drone show
Motörhead was louder 136.0 db baby
as someone that swings their fist around like a dumbass, i can 100% agree that im a dumbass
I just wanted to tell you you are so h*cking right and an awesome and cool guy, I'm glad there is people like you in this world!
I have always seen people help people in mosh pits when they fall or some fucking idiot is going overboard in the pit. But I guess that's my older generation. Respect. Crowd killing sounds fucking stupid.
Batman83 exactly mate, first two rules of a pit, someone falls you help them up, number two they want to get out you get them out,
I'm from the younger generation, and I can say the majority of us think this way- I guess the dickheads just stick out more and are the ones who you notice
Number 3: No karate in the pit. Number 4: You're all friends in the pit, you share a common passion, be nice or get the fuck out.
I've seen youngins pick people up too. This is unacceptable.
About two years ago, i went to a KoRn concert for my 14th birthday. Got knocked down in the pit, and EVERYONE around me (between about 20-40 years old) immediately helped me back up. I think its just the people that attend these kind of shows.
Man, I hate how you have to put that disclaimer at the beginning of the video because this shit should be COMMON FUCKING SENSE! But, noooooooooooo! Some people are just *itching* for the first sign of any semi-implied calls for general not-niceness and then there are those who are waiting for something to come of it and pounce so that they look like the knights in shining armour in that situation!
Smurfman256 Common sense is not common action 😞
The trouble with common sense is that its not as common as you or I would imagine :(
Crowdkilling sounds like an excuse to hurt an not to take responsibility for it ?
Basically, yeah.
CROWD KILLING
worse than a Line 6 Spider Amp.
No Karate In The Pit!
I just don't get it. I grew up listening to metal, punk and hardcore and the unspeakable rule in the pit is you look after each other. You see someone go down you grab the guy next to you and pull them back up you don't act like a fuckwit and punch some random person you don't know in the head.
I don't get it. I've been to plenty of (melo-)death metal shows in my teens (in my 30s now) and there *always* were moshpits. They were a big deal. But almost never did anyone get hurt outside of perhaps a bruise or slipping over a beer-spilled floor. Almost everytime someone slipped or tripped or whatever, they were instantly hoisted back up and joined the fray again. It was energetic semi-rhythmic body-bumpercars basically with some pushing and shoving. The one time someone fell hard (think it was during a Cannibal Corpse show), everyone made space, helped the guy up and got him a beer. It was honestly just friendly stuff.
-- Then I went to some deathcore shows later on and that was the first time I noticed a girl behind me with blood on her face and a ripped earlobe and noticed people getting elbow'd in the face etc due to this ''hardcore dancing'' idiocy. I'm sorry, but if you want to go around swinging your elbows, fists, feet without even watching wtf you're doing; I'll elbow you before you elbow me if you come near me or my friends.
I still look back to my first mosh pit with good memories. I was knocked down pretty hard and thought I'd be stomped on but I was wrong. This massive dude with an even more massive beard just grabbed me by my collar and pulled me up and held onto me until he was sure I was okay and able to continue. Why do people not want their community of music genre/band to be known for their music and not that you could get sent to hospital or worse from one of their shows.
"You throw a punch, you're responsible for the outcome".
Checkmate
Holy crap you figured it out.
I get and like things like circle pits and walls of death where running and pushing around is okay and a lot of fun. BUT PUNCHING AND THROWING KICKS (AND "HARDCORE DANCING") IN A CROWD IS JUST IDIOTIC AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY ANYONE THINKS WHY THAT WOULD BE OKAY. I mean slamming shoulders in a wall of death feels awesome it feels like your going into battle, but YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING INTO BATTLE SO KEEP THOSE FISTS AND ELBOWS THE FUCK DOWN.
Thanks, this needs to be said as well. There is classic mohspits where you get pushed around and people jump into each other with no intention of hurting anyone. And then there is always that one idiot who wants to actually hurt someone. I was in an actual moshpit a few weeks ago and as soon as one guy started that shit, everyone else stopped and he was dragged away to security by some other guys.
Exactly, someone gets knocked down, there's 5 people trying to pick them up straight away
well these people dont actually want to hit people..its like they are pretending of a fight scenario in their head while everyone around wondered what the fuck they are doing
I always described moshpits as playing human dodgems.
What happened to the good ol circle pit days when if someone fell everyone made sure they got picked up?????
I guess gladiatorial combat is more fun.
It's still what happens at every show. Moshing is not karate
Very well said, couldn't agree more. Excellent video.
Update: the band Spite's members have shared Janelle's GoFundMe, and have stated they do not condone violence.
+kristen marie cool!
They don't condone what happened to her
I'm willing to believe they're just very conflicted about their "culture" and how moral they want to be.
Denver metro area resident here, haven't attended a show in nearly a decade because of this bullshit. about 25 years ago when moshing and slam dancing started to catch fire again, a girl got trampled and died in a pit at a club that's long since been sued into non existence. shortly after that incident, bouncers went from "use your discretion for what's aggressive" to a zero tolerance towards any aggressive moshing/slam dancing. the signs went up all over. Some clubs started to allow it just to draw a crowd and cash grab. this sort of thing, unfortunately, happens frequently and yes the club will be liable for for her medical bills, and since it's essentially assault, the club will probably have their license revoked because the bouncers didn't step in and control the scene. congratulations "hardcore" denver fans, you're about to lose a venue for your music.
well it's a shit venue anyway tbh
Very honorable man. I have a lot of respect for you. Nothing not cool about caring for or loving people. Thats what music is made on. People who make music professionally dont usually make much money. They live a life of service to others. Offering their talents, for others enjoyment. And go through alot for others to be well and enjoy life. If thats not love, I dont know what is.
Thanks for your channel. Will keep watching.
Your life and pursuits, are a service to us all.
Thank you
Early 2000s hardcore kid here.
Crowd killers have never been cool.
I've been to a lot of shows and played a lot of shows that people did this shit. I've seen girls get knocked out and usually the guy who does the deed acts like the victim or overcompensates for doing something stupid. It takes the fun out of it. In my opinion it takes away from the bands that your there to see and makes it about the violent crowd to watch out for. Mosh pits are one thing but I personally think the karate shit is retarded and laughed when people 1st started it. I should remember the bands and the sound but some shows I only remember for dodging people who were throwing punches and disappearing into the frenzy.
Donnie Darkestra Yup, this is why I do look for 'safe areas'. We shouldn't need to, but why should i get a serious injury because some edgy teen thinks moshing means 'fight til the death'. I also love their attitude- even after seeing what they have done, they still believe that it is the victim's fault and totally not theirs. Call me an old fart, but I'll hang by the bar whilst the kids lose their teeth..
I avoid mosh pits for this very reason. I want to see the bands, not get my head split.
Black Rose Huntress not every pit is like this. Crowdkilling only really happens at beatdown/metallic hardcore shows, but not hardcore as a whole. At metal shows there are circle pits, push pits and wall of death. Although I’ve seen hardcore dancing/throwing down happening at Deathcore shows and Grindcore shows more recently.
I want to go to a Thrash Metal concert with my armenian friend Daniel but that's going to happen when I get my license next year but I'm going to try to avoid the mosh pit because puny 17 year olds like us would die and Thrash Metal bands except Metallica encourage moshing and moshing is what Thrash is all about
You are teaching some serious stuff here. Glad im suscribed.
Easily your most important video I've seen yet - kudos! I would only argue that someone who attends a "hardcore" show KNOWS that violence occurs regularly at them, so there is in fact some personal responsibility involved, especially on the main floor in front of the stage. Any rational thinking person should question why someone would attend an event known for such behavior (including cops, judges, lawyers, and juries). So please consider that in addition to the infinite wisdom presented in this vid.
I didn't plan on getting involved in this, but I've heard this way too much. Yes I agree hardcore dancing and crowd killing is fucking stupid. No argument from me there. What needs to be known is Janelle, every show I've seen her at, crowd kills herself. I've seen her grab a guy by the shirt and start laying down some fists. I do think that it's all stupid don't get me wrong, but in a sense she had it coming. It was only a matter of time for her ya know? I think that it was way too much and she at the minimum deserved an apology. Overall though, I've never seen her not crowd kill at a show. It's just never that bad nor should it ever be. I feel bad because those are going to be expensive bills, and by all means if you want to help I won't tell you not to or that you shouldn't, but she isn't completely innocent.
I mean, that's an interesting assertion to make, but unless you can link some form of proof unfortunately I'll have to give you the benefit of a doubt.
Will its an interesting point but without any proof i simply won't believe it.
Its not about you personally, but there are always people trying to make victims look like that, and without any proof, its impossible to know who is telling the truth.
Why the flying fuckbuckets should I believe that some random shmuck in the internet JUST HAPPENS to know this random person at a concert and JUST HAPPENS to have seen her crowdkilling at past shows and JUST HAPPENS to see this particular video and make this comment? Anyone who actually believes this retarded shit is so naive you could tell them the sky is only blue because of chemtrails and they'd probably believe you.
So If the full tapes from the night were released by the Roxy (and not the 1:10 of footage) perhaps we'll see her crowdkilling? How the turn tables...
Look up enemy in i. That's my band and we regularly play shows in Denver. I'm also very active in the Denver music scene so I catch as many shows as I can. I wish I had evidence to back it up, but unfortunately I don't video people crowd killing I record the bands
I was at an Ignite show in the early 2000s at the Bluebird and some kid kept getting into the mosh pit doing this shit. At one point, Zoli stopped the show and kicked his ass out. Everyone cheered, and we moshed the night away. It was awesome.
shortbusbully you were there? I told zoli i was gonna kick his ass on yahoo chat and he had security bar me from attending that show......ignite sucks anyways
@@xgymratx lol... Oh my God. Do you have ANY idea that we all know you are a total loser poser??? Everyone knows, dude. Just stop.
I have played quite a few shows in my day. No one really ever moshed, but I remember playing a battle of the bands with some middle aged black metal bands. We were a post hardcore screamo punk band. The crowd seemed bored for the whole show. Then we went on and when it came to our first breakdown, I watched the eyes light up on everyone in the crowd and 95% of the venue started moshing like I’ve never seen before. It was glorious. The feeling from watching that just made us all play even better than usual and I started shredding on top of the breakdown even though it wasn’t even part of the song. I’ve never experienced something like they since.
"Learn the safe areas..." a pit can, and does, open up anywhere.
crowdkilling was never hardcore
wtf u talking about its not exclusive but yes it was and is
Look at this guys thumbnail, you seriously you're no position to tell anyone what is hardcore. Double D would fuck your punk ass up if he was a real life person, and thats saying a lot being that he's the most wimpy character in Ed Edd and Eddy
666deathghost what?
@@Raveologist Its exactly what I said
@@666deathghost *ripping on anime profile pictures*
*having a Double D profile picture*
Pick one.
I love the fact that these good content creators are also rational and responsible
I agree with you completely. A while back. I went to a local show where my son's band was opening for another band (Atonement). I was also doing photography that night. While taking pics of the main band, the lead singer observed a guy in the crowd windmilling his arms and fists around. The lead singer IMMEDIATELY stopped the show and took control of the matter; pointed the guy out and told him to stop or get the F**k out! I was so impressed, I forgot to photograph it all. because the lead singer took control like he did, the whole show was a success.
Crowd killing = people who can't actually fight.
I dislocated my lifted Knee at a SLAYER concert I was carried out buy the person that kicked my leg. while a beer can hit me in the face. I enjoyed every moment. Just watch out for one another.
Dude sounds like a character from south park when his voice speeds up
I feel old now. I remember going to shows and people smashing into each other, but picking up the ones who fell down. Violent yes, but respectful.