DOOM 3 Cut Content - What Could've Been
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Cut Content Of DOOM 3 Including Alpha Pre Release Assets And Concept Art
Video Includes Cut Doom 3 Alpha Footage, Cut Concept Art Of Mars City And UAC Marines, Cut DOOM Monsters And Monster Game Files As Well As Cut Character Named General Hayden
Doom 3 is a sci-fi horror fantasy first-person shooter computer game developed by id Software and published by ActiVision - เกม
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The cutscenes look as if everyone involved was drunk.
And I love it
Was an early version and they animated it instead of using
motion capture
But They Did that shitty
animations for launch
and present the demo quickly
In a nutshell, the only difference is the shotgun being better in the demo
It's an actual gun instead of a melee weapon that takes bullets
It also sounds like it fires farts instead of buckshot.
Fucking hated Doom 3 shotgun! Seriously i never used it, rather i used the flashlight instead lol
Lmfao shotgun was and still is my favourite weapon on doom 3
@@gargillaape5292 I too am a masochist.
No but seriously, I had the standalone version of ROE for Xbox and the Super Shotgun in that expansion is what the Shotgun in the base game should have been.
I can kind of understand why they cut so much content, like Mars City being an actual city. Because at the time certain game consoles and PC's were too inferior to handle all the features shown in the demo.
They could have showed a few prerendered panning shots in the intro or something, just for some establishment.
The final game mostly feels like traversing through one long continuous facility, which would probably make more sense in reality, but also makes the 'world' of the game feel smaller.
They never planned the game to be released on console, due to overwhelming response they did shrunk the game and released on Xbox later on
Billy Causey might be , all i know is that the game was never scaled down due to its console release - they did not really cut content, what they shown was simply a show-off of what their engine was capable of doing - context wise it would have not made sense perhaps to have a city on mars since it was a research facility right ? How many people would have been living on mars that they actually made a city lol - it just sounds silly - plus the early gameplay footage was mostly shown to be game focused on exploration and horror and at times even stealth, these were later removed to adapt the game to what actually doom is - console port of game was handled by external developer and the game was cut and shrunken down to be able to run on console - so i dont think there was any reason for them to back-off unless you have any cite or source i can back up your claim
Enclave detected on brotherhood soil, lethal force Engaged
I guess they didn't wanted the final product to work with an actual history and world around it, sure there is enough lore to keep things going but nothing far fetched from the original games, since in doom there was this trait in witch the whole game is pretty shoot them'till they die and probably the fans didn't want the whole thing to have a complex story all of a sudden.
Deadass walking around like Gmod characters.
I've seen Gmod animations smother than this, like gosh darn ballet.
How about you try to animate 3d models in the early 2000s while trying to make it look realistic within the hardware limitations.
Damper Boi Well, if they wanted to make it look realistic, they really goofed.
There were plenty of games in the early 2000’s with much better 3D animations. This was made in 03, which means games like Splinter Cell and Prince of Persia already came out.
I suspect they just didn’t care too much about animation quality in their new engine, since it was only a proof of concept.
@@balkanprussian3251 half life 2 came out the same time doom 3 was released
Imagine playing a motherfucking Doom while complaining about their animation. Classic Pinky would like to have a word with you..
Doom 3's graphics were ridiculously ahead of their time.
And they say San Andreas had best graphics in its time, pff
Didn't expect to see you here. You got good taste
@@mustafajusuf4572 who tf told that
@@mustafajusuf4572 gta sa was a good game but not good graphics, not even close
Half Life 2: Am I a joke to you?
Damn, that Arachnotron actually looks menacing. Shame it wasn't added in
This game's development began as far back as the year 2000. It's no-wonder than that the game still has a colorful-look leftover from the 90s. Despite the fact that it wasn't released until 2004.
I love it!
Huuuuh, that's why I loved the visuals so much... other than the thick dark shadows, sound design and atmosphere there was something else I couldn't quite put my finger on and I think you named it
Colorful? The color pallet in this game looks like a picture that got hit with a belt sander after sitting out in in the desert sun for 8 years.
What color?
Almost everything in the 90’s has that colorful energized vibe. Sadly, everything changed after 9-11.
@@justinjacobe Sundowner must like dull colours then
3:27 That thing looks like one of the Hell Guards from Doom 2016.
Megatron 8005 Yeah, I was going to say that
It's funny. Half Life 2 was released the same year as Doom 3 and also has an unused enemy that looks almost identical to this one. It's called the Combine Super Soldier.
@@Agustin_Leal strange
@@Agustin_Leal it does look like a combine elite
Inspired Hellguard of DooM 2016 and also the Berserker Hunter for D3:RoE
General Hayden has the same face as the Doom Slayer in 2016 interesting.
Just a reused asset
Yalkın ÇIRAK or a cameo.
Coincidence,
@@yalkn2073 It would be too strange to reuse an asset for doom 3 in a 2020 game, it's either a coincidence or an easter egg
HAYDEN?!?!
The cut monsters all look cool to me except for the gremlin. Thanks for the info! I love checking out cut content and characters especially enemy designs.
3:55 I think they reused this as the face under the slayer’s visor in the 2016 game
General Hayden kinda looks like a doom slayer in doom 2016
Those walk animations oof.
Man i really wish someday One professional modder would recreate mars city and try to bring back some of the cut content here, that would be EPIC.
3:30 that demon is the invulnerability hunter from doom 3 roe, but this is the shield form.
DooMero uh wtf how would you know??
Virtuosic i have a model viewer for doom 3, i loaded the invul hunter md5 model and include two forms: the invul hunter itself and the shield form, this last is the same of the minute 3:30
3:28 looks like the developers of Doom 2016 got inspiration off of this to make the hell guardians who protect the crucible
I thought the same thing.
@HAZIQ MUKHRIZ BIN HAIROL RIZAM Moe I know
It's funny. Half Life 2 was released the same year as Doom 3 and also has an unused enemy that looks almost identical to this one. It's called the Combine Super Soldier.
Is it Samuel Hayden's voice before he was removed from the final game? 2:00
i think that 2016 samuel hayden is a recycled caracther of doom 3
@@joelacosta889 yeah, he is like dr. betruger
@Sergio Georgini There was a Hayden character planned for Doom 3, not exactly the same guy as 2016 but someone who shared the name Hayden, I think he made it to the Doom 3 novels, was a sort of General type character and a secondary antagonist if I remember it right.
The Doom 3 Gen. Hayden character was actually a rather interesting idea;
He was supposed to be set up to look like the main antagonist in the early game, with Dr. Betruger acting like a sinister henchman/conspirator to the General - then you'd kill the General and Betruger would then be revealed to have been the main antagonist all along.
Is it me or he sound like prophet from crysis séries
Im happy with what we got for doom 3. Coop is the bomb.
Those cut Monsters look terrifying
Especially the hell Knight
I like the arachnotron's look
Should've put that in would love to come across em ☺
@Brupcat what? That one was the most basic tbh. It looks like a skin golem tbh
2:05 Your lack of faith disturbs me.
Note: the E3 alpha mensions the existance of Slugs for the shotgun, wich explains why the Super-Shotgun wasn't included at release, as well as a Ray gun at somepoint with "Ray Slugs" as it's ammo
Other worthy gameplay found within the E3's Def files include :
-Baron of hell (not coded or modeled)
-Spectre (unfinished)
-A Spider demon boss type, presumably the Spider Mastermind, as it's concept art was showned at the E3 2002.
-an Evil Female scientist existed (nothing else known about her)
-Cultist Leader existed ( nothing known about him)
-Archvile ressurect Ability (Doom 3 was originaly gonna use Death animations for monsters instead of dissapearing corpses much like the original Half Life)
-Chaingun Commando had fully programmed and working melee attack
-Maggot was orginaly going to be stronger, and even got some cut melee and ranged attacks
-Revenant leap attack
-Pinky was going to be able to jump at some point.
- Trite, Wraiths and Ticks aren't mentionned anywhere. They where most likely late additions.
-Pistol, Machine gun and Chaingun Shares the same damage and ammo type, the major differences between eachothers are the Spread, Firing rate, and number of bullets per shots
-Zsec have mentions of a reload function that was yet to be implemented (the retail games also has sounds for melee attacks)
-Chaingun Commandos had theirs very own AI, instead of being a mear copypasted Machinegun Zsec.
-Plasma gun had 30 clip instead of 50. A slower Firing rate but nearly triple the damage. Shares ammo with the BFG who used 25 cells per shot.
-Soul Cube used 10 souls to charge.
-Zombies had more realistic animations, walking and even running after you instead of being brain-dead shambling idiots like in the retail games. A cut feature who's program still remain in the retail game in a somewhat complete state called "Zombie Ressurection" allowed them to get up a certain amount of time after being killed. Every zombie type ennemi "including Zsec and Commandos" could be given a a number of ressurections wich could also be disabled. There also was a random ressurection parameter wich could be modified to your will's contempt.
Surprisingly enough the Arachnotron isn't mentionned anywhere despite Id having made concept art for it.
1:56 I think this scientist concept was like a proto-Doctor Antonin Kvasir from the game Rage.
The wires on the arms, the shoulder pads, bald head, high tech grey labcoat etc.
3:28 I think the monster model here inspired a boss design for doom 2016
Prince Chaos is the shield form of invulnerability hunter, i know because i loaded the invul hunter with d3 model viewer and contain this form
Man even in 2145 the couldn’t get good walkie talkie signal
I've been playing this, it's awesome, the graphics don't even bother after you get into the story. Tons of jump scares and good guns, hidden loot, really glad it's on game pass!
I barely remember that old demo footage. I do remember the pinkie demon bursting through the wall vent though, and the Spider Concept Art. Those two things are what sold me on DOOM3 back in the day.
According to this comment box, apparently I'm the only one who doom 3 is his favorite
Doom 3 is my fave too. Such a well done Doom reboot.
doom eternal was contrevestial but I loved it
@@Ravertine no it wasnt. Everybody loved it!
@@sillyfella2009 not everyone people didn't like the graphics or that you sometimes have to jump, it's stupid but still not liked by alot of people
@@sillyfella2009 also that it has story but that's even more stupid
Pretty sure the cyber orc is now being recicled for Doom Eternal, at least one of the demons look like him
I think I'd software is combining all three doom games mechanics and demons and adding them into doom eternal
@@ops2237 Yeah, especially with the whole thing about Doom having a universe and a big lore that they advertised for Eternal, I can definately see that this game will be pretty huge, in more aspects than one.
@@Aruk02 I heard that the first two levels are longer than the entire 2016 game so there potentially alot of lore there that can explore and maybe explain were these two games fit into the series
@@ops2237 good god, that's about to be a long ass game
The unused arachnotron model seems to be the inspiration for the eternal arachnotron. Good to see the concepts aren’t put to waste.
They really oughta reincorporate these elements into future Doom 3 re-release, if any, hoping for some big remastered collection down the road so Doom series is always playable on every console generation.
Wonder why they didn’t reimplement these in Doom 3 remaster to begin with.
2:52 so the Dead Effect II Brog was stolen from DooM III?
You actually played that piece of garbage? I feel bad for you sir, that must have been brutal.
The 2:39 part was not in the full game? i remember playing that, it might have been the leaked alpha or something
yeah that part is in the bfg edition dont know if its in the original doom 3 release
The video doesn't mention the Invisible Pinky Demon. It was cut from the main game, but is still within the game, as a fan-made map (The Sigma Core) includes it.
How did you get the "Specular" Pass for the Doom3 Alpha Build footage to actually render ? Am I assuming correctly from the lower frame rates and the 4:3 aspect ratio at a 16:9 resolution that you rendered that footage on older drivers for an older GPU ?
Also generally a nice sum up of facts * *thumbs* *
Sad to see the demo becoming more incompatible as the years go by with GPU enhancements.
Wait, it's possible for anyone to play that early build? Where do you even get it?
Nvm, I found a download link which game a 360MB-ish rar file. Whenever I try starting a new game, the game just quits without any error message whatsoever. I tried XP SP2 compatibility and running as admin, which made no difference. I use 64-bit Windows 10 btw.
@Williez Zeilliw Didn't work. I also tired Win98 mode too, and had run as admin and disable fullscreen optimizations boxes checked when trying XP, 98 and 95 mode.
@@cannedbeverage7687 I used to have a copy of the alpha back in 2003. Forget about the menus. They're not completely functional. Instead press CTRL+ALT+TILDE to bring down the console. Then type "map X" where X is the name of the map you want to load. I don't recall their names off hand but you can just press tab to autocomplete.
I remember seeing some of those concept demons back in the day while I was in college before doom 3 was released
So awesome how they use some of the content in doom 2016 and doom eternal like 3:08 looking similar to the doom slayer hunter as well as 3:28 looking like the hell guards from doom 2016. Just something amazing to see some ideas are not forgotten.
This game gave me a lot of nightmares as a kid but I still loved playing it.
I really like the Hell Knight design, I think it would’ve fit being the design for the Imps
Oh I this takes me back. I remember downloading the leaked alpha and running it at like 10fps. Those were the days...
I loved this game
That Gremlin looked frickin badass, too bad it was cut.
Great find!!
This game grew on me I gotta admit.
That unnamed demon at 3:30 kind of looks like an early concept for a hellguard
Interesting. 😊
Thank you so much. 😊
I like how in 2010 everyone was saying
DUH, Doom3 was such a bad game
And now 2020ish
DUH, Doom3 was A FUCKING MASTERPIECE
Feel old already?
Clarity: I was 13 year old edgelord in 2007 who played DOOM3 first time so I liked it a lot
Shame that they cut it. It would be much better if they didn't scrapped some of the content. Also, the evil creature in Beta look scarier too imo
Doom 3 needs a proper remake since the BFG remaster is a little too bright, and you can partially see through the wall if you look up while backed against a wall. Also they could use content that didn't make it into the original doom 3
A really terrifying game got a lot of nightmares after playn it
In the PC version, going to options and controls you can assign a ZOOM button to aim enemies at long distance. Only in the original Doom 3 & resurrection of evil, not in the BFG edition :(
3:00 That looks like an imp. And in my oppinion it looks way cooler than the imp we got in the end.
DooM3 monster design looks way darker and scarier than DooM 2016's
That voice over the comms sounded very familiar.....almost Samuel the new DOOM...
I love doom 3
Ah, I see they were originally gonna have the entire Zelda CD-i cast do the mocap.
Y'know...having Zelda play a major role in the Doom 3 universe would actually be pretty damn awesome. Imagine when Doomguy is preparing to warp thru one of them portals and suddenly Zelda jumps out of it...
Love the jungle camo in a space city.
I love the thumbnail
3:30 is one of the boss you fight in doom 2016 where the little worm enter this "suit" or powerarmor.
I still don't see why people hate it. It's a good horror game (could do without the bullshit imp leaping from behind doors though).
The only missed opportunity was the spider demon boss made in Doom 3 art style as an enemy.
Admittedly I do kinda dislike how Mars City in alpha version of the game.
Although we only see it briefly that one shot of the cityscape looked more like an actual metropolitan center than Mars City does in the entire released game. In the final game best we can see Mars City is just a giant military/research facility with nothing traditionally entailing the second portion of it's name.
I guess maybe that was the point since canonically the entire area was actually a private place owned by the UAC with everyone living there being employed under them in one way or another so maybe they retconned the place being an actual established township in favor of the big workplace since it wouldn't make since it wouldn't have worked but whatever it's still cool aesthetically and that's all that matters.
"An early zombified marine/security possibly holding a flamethrower or unused weapon" It's literally a redesign of the shotgun zombie from Doom 1, the barrel is oddly huge but it does have a pump.
Looked like a rocket launcher to me.
Now knowing the new doom timeline fits with the old, it is possible the hadens are related
Honestly the gameplay of the e3 demo seems to be a lot more refined compared to the final build and feels a lot more like a mix between classic Doom and the original Half life here, a game wich was obiously used as inspiration for theses early level designs alone.
There's unfortunalty a astronomical quantity of content that was either never implemented or removed from the game: death animation for characters and pain states just like the classic title, alternate skins for ennemies when gibbed, cut ennemies such as the spectre or Barons, the later originaly having theirs very own little side story when four of them would, according to partially unused storyboards, split the soul cube (who originaly needed 10 souls to charge by the way) into four pieces, forcing us to hunt each of thel down to obtain them and fix it. (The Guardian seems to be a later addition)
The weapons where also heavily reworked for the final build, with some confirmed weapons and mechanics that where never finished or removed:
-For instance, the files of the E3 mention the existence of a railgun, as well as trowable flares. A shoulder mounted flashlight (with seemingly no limited battery yet a smaller light radius that in the bfg edition) was also removed.
A faster firing shotgun with a slower reload and a max chamber of 5 shells as seen in the demo, wich was also going to have slugs, wich can explain the absence of the Super-Shotgun in the main campaign.
The pistol, machine gun and chaingun used to share the same ammo type, the main differences between them being the clip size, firing rate and bullet spread, wich the machine gun's used to be bigger mind you, making her a more close combat oriented weapon. They would dealed a base damage of five (the healf and damage values differe drasticly from the retail game: an imp has 130 hp in the finished product, while he had 40 hp in the alpha, his leap attack also used to deal 25 dmg, wich could kill a zombie instantly, speaking of wich, monster infiting was an actual thing wich was removed.
You see, there seem to have been some major ai regression as developpement went on: chaingun commando's unique ai was completely removed, instead being a machinegun zsec reskin..... speaking of wich the game's files mention the existence of melee attacks and a reload system for all Zsecs, a range attack for the maggot, who was originaly going to act for as a hybrid of the Imp and the Pinky. Pinky apparently had a cut leap attack, while the Wraith's files mentionned it being able to jump.
The Imp is a special case, in the final game there's two variants, one that always walk, and one that always crawl, but as seen in the e3, they used to be one and only monster, casualy switching between walking and crawling, wich maked it less predictable and more aggressive.
The zombies are a bit tricky, the fat zombie was already present in the e3 and wasn't changed much aside from a cut melee attack where he "grabs you" with both hands. The other one is called "Monster-zombie-maint" and still exist within the game's file and is fully fonctionnal, albeit the "Zombie ressurection" feature wich allowed zombies to get back up, seem to have been partially removed (there's still remnants of it the script files for shares monster ai, but I don't know if anything can be done with it. Back when it was still a thing, you could choose how many times a zombie could get up, how many health he gains when doing so, there was even a random parameter where you could give zombies a percentage of getting up after "death". It was usually put at 25.
One last thing, this ability also concerned the zsec and commandos, and while this feature wasn't fully supported for the commandos (it was disabled for them in the def file and no proper "get up" animations where made for them (as far as I know), code suggest that they might have considered the zsec to use this ability in game somehow, would have made it so unfair!
Y'know i wouldn't mind doom taking another dip into horror as like a small spin off game of like the demon invasion from earths earth's perspective, and you slowly throught the game see the effects of doomguy and gather more and more weapons to the point youre almost as strong as the doomguy but y'know eventually get killed just to show how dangerous what doom guy does actually is (or become another form of the doomguy that the actual doomguy has the face off against)
characters in this version look more alive than in the release
While doom is not supossed to be horror, I do miss the horror touch the original had in maps like hunted , I mean imagine how satisfying it would be to do glory kills on the demons of Doom 3, or having a demon do a jumpscare just before you hand their ass to them
U said original and then u said Doom 3. Which one is it?
Graphics still look pretty fkn great
Samuel Hayden was revealed in Doom Eternal to not have been human or even from the Earth realm.
In the doom/ID universe there are multiple dimensions. So, thas ho they exist
thats why they made the extension pack resurrection of evil.
I've seen gameplay from very early versions that looked more like classic Doom than Doom 3 did. Doom 3 felt like Quake with Doom -like monsters.
I still like the ambiance, environments of that game, I know for many that game was not doom and well I found it kind of easy but I had fun to explore the different installation and they was kind of credible. The recent game have more details and all but I don't have the same feeling. ^^;
Is that a quake champions map theme in the background? :D
We also have to care many devs used specially created for showcasing content and many still do, things that would never have been in the game even if it would have looked more like that.
Quake Champions music
Nice
Samuel Haden was human and put his brain into a robot. After that he lived for around 100 or so years before doom 2016. Still could be the same guy, but I feel like its not.
Well now I have to crack open the game files and find these. I thought I knew the contents of every .pak file back to front I guess not
I like that it was the only Doom remake
So ID planned to have the Spider Mastermind and Arachnotrons. So what do they do with them? Cut them and replace them with the Trite, an unneeded bastard, the Tick, the same thing as a Trite but retooled to be even stupider, and the Vagary, a pathetic replacement of the Spider Mastermind with breasts that were never needed to make the Spider Mastermind attractive.
That voice on the computer sounds like hayden ....
I realized you used Black Ops 4: Ancient Evil's end theme as audio background lol
That’s music from Quake Champions’s Elder World maps, actually
I wonder if Samuel Hayden was a reference to this guy all along.
3:27 well we all know what that one is xD
unpopular opinion but i wish the gremlin design was used for the archvile because it's a unique design
Looks like source filmmaker animation
My head can't handle the graphics
You could've at least given
MarphitimusBlackimus credit for the gameplay.
Cut content that can still exist with mods.
3:27 it’s the hell guard from doom 2016
It's a shame that Doom 3's tech was more or less ready in 2001, but IMO, the old-era artists and animators held it back. They should have hired film artists and mo-capped all the humanoids, instead of making the old artist learning and making half-arsed art for 3 years that followed.
I remember when D3 demo came out it was sold along with all the other pirated games when I was a kid, and with like a 20% premium on the price! Barely anyone's computer could run it, I remember getting like 5FPS if that on my Pentium III... The graphics were so good and the game was so scary it completely blew my mind....
Doom always loved
So could I get a name/link to that kick ass thumbnail?
DOOM 2016 almost took everything from Doom 3
What's the background music? I need to know its name.
The only reason we never got to see the cut content is because the game was too fucking dark.
plz full photo of thumbnail
great game
That’s what the game looked like in 2000? People must have lost their shit! Lighting like that for the time is insane.
Holy crapsticks, I absolutely did NOT know about this, thank you for the documentation.