Chris Baker at Lucky Gunner turned me on to your channel. I am truly impressed that after only 2 short years, you have immersed yourself in the shooting scene... and from watching your drills on your other videos you have proven to be a fast learner. I have rarely seen such a relative newcomer advance so rapidly. Moreover, your attitude about wanting to learn more and improve further is quite admirable, especially for people of the younger generation. I've been in the shooting scene for 65 years and trust me when I say you are a rarity indeed. You comments about concealment, and more importantly, your reasoning/logic for those comments, are surprisingly cogent. The concealment percentage concept is excellent, and I will incorporate it into my concealed carry classes... very useful info!! Suggest your next class be with Lena Miculek, daughter of Jerry Miculek. She is an outstanding shootess. Soon you will be as well. Well done. DVC, Mark Polansky, USPSA L-670.
Quantitative measures for concealment? Groundbreaking stuff, and excellent work so far. I'd propose extending your work into other carry locations as well, where factors like thickness or overall length may play a bigger role.
I like the direction this study is going. Thank you for your time and effort, and thanks to Philster for helping. I will be keeping up with the results because they are fascinating.
Very cool info. I enjoy the simple breakdown of the mechanics of concealment you present. Been carrying for 5+ years, but it’s always a process. Thanks.
@@maryannforester8970 It's forever evolving I think. Initially it sort of feels like a firehose of information, so you're changing things constantly as you learn, but over time there's less to mold and change
Makes sense. I’m at 41%. Good stuff. I do carry differently in spring/summer than fall/winter though. A hoodie covers my 3:00 OWB fall/winter, clearly better than my appendix spring/summer. I really like my TP9 elite sc with Mecanik MO1 set up, but the shadow systems cr920 with a shield smsc (very allergic to metal touching my skin when I sweat) so I have to opt for a polymer houses optic for my IWB.
This idea is very interesting, and it would also be very interesting to determine which measures and perchentages are useful for carry position other than AIWB, like 4-5 o'clock position, both IWB and OWB.
I am excited to see where this research goes from here. I carry a g19 with irons and am 5' 9" at 160lbs with an athletic build. My "concealment percentage" is 48%. At least when it comes to males with an athletic build chest size can really help with concealment. I currently weigh 160 and have a 40in chest while 5 years ago I had 48in chest and weighed 175, and I wear medium instead of large shirts now. I have no objective proof but it did seem easier to conceal the same gun when I had a larger chest. Maybe we'll find a sweet spot for the ratio of chest to waist measurement.
I'm about your size, and I've noticed the percentage principle as well! But I never thought to put it into these words, calculations, or a study. Mind blown, thank you so much for doing this. I have some measuring to go do!
Interesting concept. As I was measuring my hip to hip distance, the measuring tape transversed my "old lady belly" (which, sadly has become a little bigger over the past year). If I lost some weight and therefore some belly, my hip to hip distance would measure out a little smaller (because a simple tape measure can't eliminate the effect of belly- it would take some type of large calipers or something to measure the distance between the bones to eliminate effect of belly). In any case, I am bumping right up against the 40% limit, which helps me understand why I have had more struggles than I anticipated!
I encountered this issue with the holosun red dot on my shield. The small increase in height had a disproportionate increase in discomfort as, watching this video, I see I went beyond my percentage. I ended up replacing it with a shorter Deltapoint Micro, which was more expensive but ultimately much more comfortable
Thanks for giving that a listen! I find fabric content and performance really interesting haha. I’d like to do a more comprehensive video on that in the future.
I love this concept and look forward to seeing all that will come from it. PHLster is really making a mark in the education of the concealed carry world and I love that you are a part of it. You do a great job communicating valuable information in a down to earth way. Keep the content coming. Signed, Quite possibly your #1 fan 😁😂
I'm a guy, average body type Asian. I own both single stack S&W M&P Shield and P365 XL, no optics, no light. Both are 1 inch barrels so really, it makes almost no difference 'but' the slimmer MP Shield might help but only slightly. There's no notable difference when conceal carrying other than magazine size and weight. In which case, the MP Shield single stack potentially might do better to avoid printing when in appendix position. My preferred carry is strong side while keeping a knife around the front of the waist on the belt (horizontal draw). I hope more companies can make something like the Gerber Ghostrike as its a very cool knife to use in a self-defense situation if you hold someone back with an arm/elbow and use your other hand to stab them, getting a gun out would be tricker. The best places for the gun would be either strong side IWB/OWB or shoulder holster carry on whichever side you prefer. That's just my opinion. As an asian who isn't as tall as the 'typica' European descendant who is usually 5'10" or taller and isn't as chunky as others may be, I still have to stick with compact or subcompact guns. Even for compact guns, I might have to do strong side IWB or OWB. Shoulder carry might be the best way to conceal for a person who wishes to use a gun that is one size larger than what they should be able to carry IWB around the waist. So really you can only do OWB or shoulder holster carry for the gun that is one size bigger for one's body size. Unless you have a coat in the winter. So that being said, you can still do full size guns but they'll have to be in a thumb break OWB leather holster or anotehr OWB holster with retention lv2 or higher. As someone who is a newer gun owner, I hope gun holster companies can make retention lv 2+ holsters the standard. That's me, pushing companies with my higher standards because if the gun community truly cares about gun safety, there is literally no excuse why they don't make retention holsters the standard.
I carry a full P320 for the easiest shooting possible in crisis - and wear a suit that would conceal anything really - but I will relay this useful suggestion to others. Good shit. 👍🏿
Interesting to think about it in percentages. I noticed a while back that my limit was a 5" tall gun. My current gun has a shorter grip but has a red dot so it's right at that limit. I'm still experimenting with an Enigma and a JMCK Wing Claw with DCC clips for different situations to tuck both the grip and the red dot. My programmer gut isn't helping.
G48+Holosun is taller than G17/34 so it is soooo suprising it will take more % of your hip width. I think it is breakthrough in thinking to find out that shorter grip guns will be easier to carry ;-) . Wow science. Position of gun is important, also slide sticking out of belt line. Try to carry P10C vs G19, huge difference just because slide sticking out.
It’s not so much “smaller guns are easier”, it’s more of a way to gauge concealment difficulty level for an individual person. A Glock 19 is a completely viable concealed carry option for most people, but the difference in size from person to person is going to make it significantly more challenging for certain sizes and body types.
Wow, this makes so much sense! It's so nice to have a quantitative number to look at instead of just fiddling with a bunch of things. Any chance you can publish measurements for strong side carry, etc?
Strong side is an entirely different dynamic, and I don't know that I could come up with an equation for that. I think there would be a lot of angles involved, and even then, due to the way the body articulates when it bends at the waist, it's pretty challenging to select a gun/holster/placement combo that wouldn't allow the grip to print. Appendix carry as it relates to concealment is an entirely different beast from strong side carry, all the way down to holster design.
Blinded me with Science! Wasn't there some 'Fin' idea related to this? Reading other comments it would 'seem' to me that the optic height has less relevance than grip length since they are on different sides of main barrel axis? I'll go check that link to Philster and large abdomen carry, I'm guessing there will be more information as Philster has put some thought into product design. Is there something comparable to barrel length vs comfort when sitting/bending at waist ( ie: barrel pushing into groin)? You might change name of concealed carry to intentionally concealed carry with the thought of instead of just adding gun/holster to current wardrobe rethinking the whole process of dressing, using a Philster style holster is like an additional layer of clothing? Love your content and presentation!
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but seems like the measurement can vary depending on how high or low up on the hip bone one measures. Maybe you mean at the belt line? While a good input into a decision, concealability is only one factor. Larger guns + concealment techniques can go a long way.
I completely agree :) That's sort of the point of the measurement system. It's not necessarily a guideline for what size gun to purchase, but more of a way for people to gauge how challenging that gun might be to carry on their specific size body.
I had always heard that skinny guys can appendix carry really easy. I found out that wasn't the case for me. I have a weird build. I'm six foot , 150, and have a considerable rear shelf and some anterior pelvic tilt. Because of this, my lower abdomen juts out ever so slightly. This makes my hellcat pro print like there's no tomorrow. However, I have considerable clothing drape in the back so strong side carry is super easy.
Thank you so much for this! It really helps quantify how easy or difficult a particular firearm will be, especially for those of us with small frames. I’m looking at purchasing my first concealed carry gun and I’m wondering how much harder it would be for me to conceal a sig p365xl at 45% hip to hip, vs the standard p365 at 40%. I like the improved shootablity of the xl, but I’m not sure how that would be concealing it day to day.
This is a neat idea, and raises an interesting trade between the grip length vs. use of an optic. For the same concealment percentage, would you rather have a longer grip (better recoil control, more capacity) or an optic (easier shot placement, particularly at longer distance)? Optics are certainly trending, but I might lean in favor of the grip length. I haven't taken much formal training or made the switch from irons to an optic, so I'm sure there are some more-informed opinions out there than mine. Any thoughts?
Fortunately today we can have both. A Sig P365 with 11 rounds on tap and a red dot will be a bit jumpy but it's controllable enough and packs enough rounds for most encounters. My regular carry is a S&W Shield Plus with a red dot. I carry the 10-round mag and can fit 2.66 fingers on. It feels good to shoot, physics being what they are for a gun of that size and weight. The red dot annoys me with how it conceals but I like having it. It annoys me because it makes my small gun a lot taller and likes to print because when the grip is being rotated in by the holster the dot is being rotated out. I'm not going to trade because I like single focal plane shooting. I feel adequately gunned with 11 on tap.
Does the measurement account for drawing your firearm too? Meaning how much grip you have around the pistol. Or how about cant? I love the science of what you are doing. Will holster selection be a factor -leather vs. Kydex?
There's a significant amount of variation in people's tolerance to printing. Some are very worked up about it, and others don't really care. I'm much more interested in draw mechanics and comfort than concealment, for example. I shoot/carry irons, but seems like measuring to the top of the optic isn't quite the same as measuring to the top of the rear sight. The dot is situated further away from the gun's main profile, and probably more easily concealable than the rear of the slide for most people. Then I guess there's also the potential consideration of the butt of a reload mag in this dimension, for AIWB folks carrying a sidecar setup.
I would say that this concept isn't relevant for those who don't care as much about concealment. This channel is definitely geared towards the concealed carrier. Although the optic is situated further away from the back of the slide it's still plays a role in available concealment space, as would any additional length on the grip side of the gun. This concept is very much still in the early development stage, so reloads, knives, medical carried IWB, or anything else carried inside the waistband has not become a consideration yet. This metric exists to give those carrying between 10-2 a point of reference for their concealment difficulty level with any particular handgun. For drawing mechanics, particularly with more concealable guns you'll want to go check out Demonstrated Concepts here on TH-cam.
@@tessahbooth I definitely think it's relevant, just saying that concealment is more of a subjective metric based on how you're perceived by observers. There can be quite a bit of printing, with the gun still concealed for all intents and purposes. OTOH, mechanics are more objective. With adequate practice, shooters should be able to get pretty close to their game draw times with carry gear. And I think loosening up or rethinking concealment can be part of that. The likelihood most of us are going to need to use carry guns is minuscule. But if we do, the likelihood that time will be of the essence is pretty high - otherwise you'd just walk away.
@@paulmarshall9189 I agree, perception has a lot to do with concealment, I talked about that in last weeks Social Camouflage video, but that can only go so far when there's a visible bulge under someones shirt. What I want to do with this concept is to help people figure out how much effort it's going to take to carry a gun without that bulge. If concealment is done well, it does not have to inhibit a fast draw, which is the main reason I wanted to direct you towards Demonstrated Concepts. Rhett Neumayer of Demonstrated Concepts primary carries snubbies concealed entirely below his waistband, and pretty consistently maintains a sub second draw. I'd like to add that whether or not concealment is a priority for the individual, visible printing can cause negative outcomes, and that is outlined very well here: www.noonecoming.com/printing-doesnt-matter/
Great video. I’m 6’0” tall and have been looking around at carry guns. I want to carry a full size glock 17 or 34 because 19s feel bad on my pinkie finger. It looks like if I don’t add an optic I should be fine, as 5.47/13 = 0.42
For these calculations is the hip to hip measurement including belly (for those of us who have more there than the two of you) or are we measuring the face on visual space? Tape measure from hip bone around belly to hip bone or picture a line out from each hip bone and measure between the two?
There’s several implied assumptions in your approach such as appendix carry so for those reasons it’s not formal. Best to deal with each concealment location as a separate dimension of your study
Good concepts, 30-40%, that's a pretty tight set of options. Your husband sounds slightly taller and thinner than me, does he still use the Glock, I noticed it was in the ~50% for him. I am trying to decide between the SIG P 365, X, XL or the Taurus GX4. I haven't had the chance to shoot them all yet.
He still uses this same set up most of the time, but when he needs something smaller he uses my P365. He’s currently in the slow process of building a P365XL to eventually (hopefully) replace the 19, because it is a lot to carry most of the time.
@@tessahbooth thx for your reply! What do you mean by he's "building" an XL? Like adding optics or something, or something more in depth? If more in depth, why, out of curiosity?
@@killingfield He has a Boresight Solutions grip module for it now, but he’ll probably wind up adding a PMM compensator, and an optic. I’m not sure what else he’s planning for it though.
@@tessahbooth got it thx, yeah I had been looking at the X Macro with built in slide compensator, but apparently it's larger than the standard XL, which at that point starts to defeat the purpose for me. Great video, thx again, cheers
This concept is gonna help a lot of people. I’m wondering how the application of these numbers would be for revolvers. Was there anyone who volunteered measurements with revolvers?
I'll have to go back through and check! I wouldn't think the overall measurements would change, as in, I would imagine you'd still want to measure from the bottom of the grip to the top of the sights, and compare it to the hip to hip distance, but there might be more to it then that!
I'd be interested to know also. Revolvers have a different shape than semiautos and the lack of the slide coming all the way back makes it sit differently.
I just use velcro on my belly fat roll and a holster and my belly lays over, or consumes if you will, the gun. Concealment is easy. I normally hide bags of potato chips there, or burritos. To quick draw I just jump so that the blubber wave is going upward.
Hey that's a really cool concept! There's so many variables to how a gun conceals on an individual it's hard to know ahead of time whether it will work. I would feel super weird going to a gun store and being like "hey can I stick this thing in my pants?" To say nothing of having the right holster! I'm excited to see a fit-centric approach to gun selection
I... can carry a full size pistol? Brb buying a IWB holster and wedge for my 96A1. I'm pushing 41-45% but with some good clothing that should be possible, I hadn't even considered that before. Edit: Ok equipment list: Beretta 96A1 Beretta 92/96 Hybrid AIWB Holster T1 XL standard wedge UltiClip Crux claw This works considerably well, I'm hardly printing at all in Tshirts and absolutely do not print in any fall/winter clothes. The only thing that prints hard is a white Tshirt with head-on wind in places like parking lots. I agree with the 40% upper limit and say you can stretch it to 45%, but I wouldn't deep carry anything over 40. Two cons: the with of a full sized handgun gives me a bit of a FUPA but it's not too terrible. 😅 And the only holster option for me is a hybrid so the claw doesn't work great (it does still help a bit), I'll have to find a way to bind the claw and the kydex. That may be drilling out a rivet (thanks Beretta 🙄) and putting on a straight bracket between the two pieces. The 92fs seems to have more holster options than the 96A1 so this will vary by your gun's popularity. I'll definitely be carrying this for most of my needs as it's nice to have a large magazine of 40 cal. Thanks for the video!
I like the idea, however, an AIWB with a side car would take up nearly 80% or more of the space between your hips. I feel that this option does not give the appearance of a single sided print, thus presenting a flatter appearance. Essentially, it spreads out the area that bugles from the waistline, offering a more conforming look.
What about for your thick guys and girls? Even though my hip distance may be the same as other women, I weigh 260 lb and I'm 5 ft 6 with a long torso, the bulk of my weight being in my hips and butt. So these measurements might be right for an athletic build but do you have anything in the works to figure this out for your pudgier friends? I would appreciate any info! I'm working towards getting my concealed carry this summer and have been studying all of your information to find out what's right for me in addition to setting up times to shoot guns and find out what I like and feels good.
Hey! Fortunately these metrics are valuable for all body types. The reason for this is because we are really only working with critical dimensions. So say your hip to hip distance is identical to mine, then you and I will probably have a very similar level of difficulty when concealing similarly sized guns. However, if you carry some of that weight between your hip bones, that outward weight distribution will certainly add to your overall hip to hip, and therefore increase your available concealment space. The location in which you carry will almost certainly differ from mine, but that’s going to be the case for differences in body type regardless. For example, athletic and narrow builds like mine usually wind up needing to carry right at 12 o’clock or slightly off to about 11 or 1 o’clock. Typically heavier set frames, especially those who carry their weight in the font have much more success carrying further off to their strong side (2 o’clock for righties). Does that make sense? It’s tough to explain in writing, much easier to explain on a person or through a video haha. This video explains gun placement over an array of different body types that I think you’ll find helpful: m.th-cam.com/video/ej7t55VNuuM/w-d-xo.html
A very important consideration, but I believe you're overthinking this. The particular metric you suggest is applicable to AIWB, but not everyone carries in this fashion. Many factors to consider here: Gun size, holster type and placement, etc. I do believe you're onto something, and relative size is something that must be considered. My first choice pistol doesn't conceal well in hot weather, so I have had to acquire a sub compact for that purpose. Each user will have a number of factors to consider. Research and a little experimentation is key.
@@jrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjr I would pose one question. How did we manage to pull this off prior to this concept? I don't carry AIWB, and so won't spend time on this matter. As I said, this video only addresses AIWB, and not everyone carries in this manner. You go on ahead, I have other priorities.
Very informative video. Like you I have a 9" hip-to-hip measurement. In order to hit 30-40% concealment, we need a gun that only has a height of 2.7"-3.6". After what you learned creating this video, are you considering changing to a smaller concealed carry gun or changing how you carry?
Oh gosh I’ve been wanting to size down my carry gun for at least a year now 😄 it’s just a matter of figuring out what I want to size down to. That said, I’ll probably never get myself into the 30-40%. For people without narrow hips it’s kind of just accepting that concealment is going to require more effort, and we have stack as much in our favor as possible. For me, that definitely looks like sizing down from my 48.
I have quite a few videos on bellybands! If you go to my channel profile you should see a search button all the way over on the right, where you can search "bellyband" and my videos should pop up, or just go to the playlists section where you'll find a bellyband playlist.
These “armed and styled” videos got me really nervous getting into conceal carrying cuz these videos make it seem like it’s very difficult to do. I got my Vedder holster for my g43x, slapped it together and put it on with no issues. Didn’t even make a single tweak with the holster and it just works. I think these videos are for people who think conceal carrying a firearm is supposed to be comfortable or something. Well I have news… it will never be comfortable. That’s just something you have to deal with if you want to carry. Find the best position that hurts the least and go with it. You get used to it after a while. I’ve only been carrying for 3 weeks and sometimes I don’t even feel like I’m carrying.
Strong side is an entirely different dynamic, and I don't know that I could come up with an equation for that. I think there would be a lot of angles involved, and even then, due to the way the body articulates when it bends at the waist, it's pretty challenging to select a gun/holster/placement combo that wouldn't allow the grip to print. Appendix carry as it relates to concealment is an entirely different beast from strong side carry, all the way down to holster design.
I did some measurements, and I have found that what is killing my percentage is the optics. I can almost conceal ALL of my guns under 40% if it weren't for my optics. The Glock 48 was at 38.46% without optic. Add optic and boom! I'm at 46.15%. 😭
PHLster doesn’t make Glock 42 holsters, but there’s a holster fit guide for the standard enigma on the bottom right hand pop up menu on their website 👍🏻
Question: do you feel like adding the height of the optic skews the percentage? I’m 5’9” 185, my hip measurement if I did it correctly is 11ish. I carry an MR920 & holosun 507c. Without the added height of the optic my percentage is 47%. This is as big a firearm as I’m comfortable concealing without wearing a big coat.
The optic definitely plays a role. For example, my husband no longer carries this Glock 34, but carries a comped 19 with a 509t, which winds up being almost exactly the same height as his iron sighted 34, and experiences the same perceived level of difficulty. This is an area where I'd like to develop this study further.
@@tessahbooth I can't wait for that comparison video. I'm very interested in that p365-380. I can imagine the benefits of it being lighter and possibly faster.
We have been measuring from 10-2 o’clock, which for most, works out to be hip bone to hip bone. Once you go outside of your hip bones it starts to move into the strongside space and outside of appendix carry.
Because the barrel and the optic are not my primary concealment struggles, it’s the distance from the slide to the end of the grip, which wouldn’t be solved by getting rid of the optic or downsizing to a shorter barrel 😕
A Glock 34 is a big gun. Does your husband have any issues with it as his CCW? (I'm roughly his size, and considering the gun.) Also, a topic for you. How important is it to keep your gun absolutely concealed? I imagine the answer has to depend on the situation. For some people and situations it could be a major problem (e.g. student, hospital worker), but for others no big deal (e.g. a process server).
I'd have to agree, it depends on the context of the person asking the question, but for me, it's extremely important and a huge priority. The Glock 34 is indeed a huge gun. He carried it for several months, almost a year, then moved on to a Glock 19, and now he's carrying a Glock 48 most regularly. He could conceal the 34, but it was a ton of work.
The measurements give people a way to quantify their difficulty level. Yes, generally smaller guns are easier to conceal, but the percentage allows people gauge their level of difficulty with a specific gun before buying it.
Oh I will most certainly size down eventually. The 48 has always been a challenge for me to conceal. I just haven't found the right thing to replace it yet.
I get that what you did speaks to fitment for slimmer people carrying AIWB, but it doesn't speak to shootability or comfort or any other methods of carry.
The measurement is relevant for any body type carry appendix, it's not specific to slimmer people, which is largely what makes it useful, because it helps people of all sizes determine their level of concealment difficulty with any particular handgun. But yeah, its not relevant for anyone carrying outside of the 10-2 o'clock position, and no, a body measurement doesn't help with determining how gun shoots, but can be relevant to how comfortable a gun of a particular size is to carry appendix.
@@tessahbooth that was might point this would work for AIWB, but and maybe a 5 o' clock carry, etc. I don't know that the measuring work well in other places on the body.
This concept should apply to all body types. The concept exists so that each person can determine their concealment percentage, in light of their own personal shape. That said, I've made other content alongside PHLster with different body types that you might find useful. Concealment Principles are just that, principles. They exist to be taken advantage of by the individual. th-cam.com/video/ej7t55VNuuM/w-d-xo.html This post is geared specifically towards your body type: www.phlsterholsters.com/appendix-carry-for-big-guys-male-abdominal-fat-distribution/
@@freeduc A lot of people may not have experienced this for themselves, but guns that are proportioned with a shorter barrel and a longer grip, or just generally smaller guns, can be considerably more difficult to carry. If you'd like to learn more about this phenomenon, I explained it in more detail here: th-cam.com/video/w43GVJeaOvo/w-d-xo.html
@@tessahbooth Hi, I just want to apologize if my first comment was, um, snarky. I really like your channel and I'm not trying to start an argument. That being said, statements like, "generally smaller guns, can be considerably more difficult to carry" are kinda hard to swallow. The first part of that sentence is true: the grip is what is harder to conceal and barrel length not so much. Still I don't want to conceal an M16 no matter how small the grip is. ha ha. I know that as a smaller person it is more difficult for you to conceal guns that I (6' 210 lbs) can get away with. Anyway, take care, and I hope you have a nice day.
I want to order a Enigma for my Glock 19, so many options and stuff on the website. Can I contact you in some way to help with ordering and what I need or may need? Your husband is my size, I’m 5 10 and around 155-160.
Yep, I'm happy to help, just shoot me an email at armedandstyledactual@gmail.com. You'll want to start by taking this quiz too: www.phlsterholsters.com/which-enigma-model-is-right-for-me/
Chris Baker at Lucky Gunner turned me on to your channel. I am truly impressed that after only 2 short years, you have immersed yourself in the shooting scene... and from watching your drills on your other videos you have proven to be a fast learner. I have rarely seen such a relative newcomer advance so rapidly. Moreover, your attitude about wanting to learn more and improve further is quite admirable, especially for people of the younger generation. I've been in the shooting scene for 65 years and trust me when I say you are a rarity indeed. You comments about concealment, and more importantly, your reasoning/logic for those comments, are surprisingly cogent. The concealment percentage concept is excellent, and I will incorporate it into my concealed carry classes... very useful info!! Suggest your next class be with Lena Miculek, daughter of Jerry Miculek. She is an outstanding shootess. Soon you will be as well. Well done. DVC, Mark Polansky, USPSA L-670.
Quantitative measures for concealment? Groundbreaking stuff, and excellent work so far. I'd propose extending your work into other carry locations as well, where factors like thickness or overall length may play a bigger role.
Length may come into play when sitting unless you carry a S&W500 with an 8" barrel 🤣
Lucky Gunner sent me & Im glad he did - your video offers great guidance. Thank you
I like the direction this study is going. Thank you for your time and effort, and thanks to Philster for helping. I will be keeping up with the results because they are fascinating.
Very cool info. I enjoy the simple breakdown of the mechanics of concealment you present. Been carrying for 5+ years, but it’s always a process. Thanks.
Glad to hear that it is always a process! I am new to ccw (since Nov 2021) and i feel like I’m still dialing in my concealment.
@@maryannforester8970 It's forever evolving I think. Initially it sort of feels like a firehose of information, so you're changing things constantly as you learn, but over time there's less to mold and change
Adding more objective science is way better than word of mouth or subjective suggestion. Great video!
Makes sense. I’m at 41%. Good stuff.
I do carry differently in spring/summer than fall/winter though. A hoodie covers my 3:00 OWB fall/winter, clearly better than my appendix spring/summer.
I really like my TP9 elite sc with Mecanik MO1 set up, but the shadow systems cr920 with a shield smsc (very allergic to metal touching my skin when I sweat) so I have to opt for a polymer houses optic for my IWB.
This idea is very interesting, and it would also be very interesting to determine which measures and perchentages are useful for carry position other than AIWB, like 4-5 o'clock position, both IWB and OWB.
I am excited to see where this research goes from here. I carry a g19 with irons and am 5' 9" at 160lbs with an athletic build. My "concealment percentage" is 48%. At least when it comes to males with an athletic build chest size can really help with concealment. I currently weigh 160 and have a 40in chest while 5 years ago I had 48in chest and weighed 175, and I wear medium instead of large shirts now. I have no objective proof but it did seem easier to conceal the same gun when I had a larger chest. Maybe we'll find a sweet spot for the ratio of chest to waist measurement.
I'm about your size, and I've noticed the percentage principle as well! But I never thought to put it into these words, calculations, or a study. Mind blown, thank you so much for doing this. I have some measuring to go do!
Interesting concept. As I was measuring my hip to hip distance, the measuring tape transversed my "old lady belly" (which, sadly has become a little bigger over the past year). If I lost some weight and therefore some belly, my hip to hip distance would measure out a little smaller (because a simple tape measure can't eliminate the effect of belly- it would take some type of large calipers or something to measure the distance between the bones to eliminate effect of belly). In any case, I am bumping right up against the 40% limit, which helps me understand why I have had more struggles than I anticipated!
I encountered this issue with the holosun red dot on my shield. The small increase in height had a disproportionate increase in discomfort as, watching this video, I see I went beyond my percentage. I ended up replacing it with a shorter Deltapoint Micro, which was more expensive but ultimately much more comfortable
Appreciate this, also your interview with John was informative about fabric selection. I actually have an excuse to buy some new shirts now.
Thanks for giving that a listen! I find fabric content and performance really interesting haha. I’d like to do a more comprehensive video on that in the future.
I love this concept and look forward to seeing all that will come from it. PHLster is really making a mark in the education of the concealed carry world and I love that you are a part of it. You do a great job communicating valuable information in a down to earth way. Keep the content coming. Signed, Quite possibly your #1 fan 😁😂
Very interesting, this percentage calculation makes a lot of sense. You need to come up with a good name and trademark it.
I'm a guy, average body type Asian. I own both single stack S&W M&P Shield and P365 XL, no optics, no light. Both are 1 inch barrels so really, it makes almost no difference 'but' the slimmer MP Shield might help but only slightly. There's no notable difference when conceal carrying other than magazine size and weight. In which case, the MP Shield single stack potentially might do better to avoid printing when in appendix position. My preferred carry is strong side while keeping a knife around the front of the waist on the belt (horizontal draw).
I hope more companies can make something like the Gerber Ghostrike as its a very cool knife to use in a self-defense situation if you hold someone back with an arm/elbow and use your other hand to stab them, getting a gun out would be tricker.
The best places for the gun would be either strong side IWB/OWB or shoulder holster carry on whichever side you prefer. That's just my opinion.
As an asian who isn't as tall as the 'typica' European descendant who is usually 5'10" or taller and isn't as chunky as others may be, I still have to stick with compact or subcompact guns. Even for compact guns, I might have to do strong side IWB or OWB. Shoulder carry might be the best way to conceal for a person who wishes to use a gun that is one size larger than what they should be able to carry IWB around the waist. So really you can only do OWB or shoulder holster carry for the gun that is one size bigger for one's body size. Unless you have a coat in the winter.
So that being said, you can still do full size guns but they'll have to be in a thumb break OWB leather holster or anotehr OWB holster with retention lv2 or higher.
As someone who is a newer gun owner, I hope gun holster companies can make retention lv 2+ holsters the standard. That's me, pushing companies with my higher standards because if the gun community truly cares about gun safety, there is literally no excuse why they don't make retention holsters the standard.
Being in an open carry state I really don't worry about printing as much and I tend to go places where it's not an issue if someone notices.
Yep. How it is here in Oklahoma. If I am somewhere where I don't want to worry about printing I just put the 12rd mag in instead of the 17 😂
I carry a full P320 for the easiest shooting possible in crisis - and wear a suit that would conceal anything really - but I will relay this useful suggestion to others. Good shit. 👍🏿
Interesting to think about it in percentages. I noticed a while back that my limit was a 5" tall gun. My current gun has a shorter grip but has a red dot so it's right at that limit. I'm still experimenting with an Enigma and a JMCK Wing Claw with DCC clips for different situations to tuck both the grip and the red dot. My programmer gut isn't helping.
Very cool. Thanks for the thoughts and insight
G48+Holosun is taller than G17/34 so it is soooo suprising it will take more % of your hip width.
I think it is breakthrough in thinking to find out that shorter grip guns will be easier to carry ;-) . Wow science.
Position of gun is important, also slide sticking out of belt line. Try to carry P10C vs G19, huge difference just because slide sticking out.
It’s not so much “smaller guns are easier”, it’s more of a way to gauge concealment difficulty level for an individual person.
A Glock 19 is a completely viable concealed carry option for most people, but the difference in size from person to person is going to make it significantly more challenging for certain sizes and body types.
Wow, this makes so much sense! It's so nice to have a quantitative number to look at instead of just fiddling with a bunch of things. Any chance you can publish measurements for strong side carry, etc?
Strong side is an entirely different dynamic, and I don't know that I could come up with an equation for that. I think there would be a lot of angles involved, and even then, due to the way the body articulates when it bends at the waist, it's pretty challenging to select a gun/holster/placement combo that wouldn't allow the grip to print.
Appendix carry as it relates to concealment is an entirely different beast from strong side carry, all the way down to holster design.
Blinded me with Science! Wasn't there some 'Fin' idea related to this? Reading other comments it would 'seem' to me that the optic height has less relevance than grip length since they are on different sides of main barrel axis? I'll go check that link to Philster and large abdomen carry, I'm guessing there will be more information as Philster has put some thought into product design. Is there something comparable to barrel length vs comfort when sitting/bending at waist ( ie: barrel pushing into groin)? You might change name of concealed carry to intentionally concealed carry with the thought of instead of just adding gun/holster to current wardrobe rethinking the whole process of dressing, using a Philster style holster is like an additional layer of clothing? Love your content and presentation!
Glad to see the younger generations getting into guns/carrying ! 💪🇺🇸☝️✝️
A very interesting concept indeed. Thank you very much for the video.
Came from phlester, good video! Thanks
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but seems like the measurement can vary depending on how high or low up on the hip bone one measures. Maybe you mean at the belt line? While a good input into a decision, concealability is only one factor. Larger guns + concealment techniques can go a long way.
I completely agree :) That's sort of the point of the measurement system. It's not necessarily a guideline for what size gun to purchase, but more of a way for people to gauge how challenging that gun might be to carry on their specific size body.
Great info. Thanks! 😎
I had always heard that skinny guys can appendix carry really easy. I found out that wasn't the case for me. I have a weird build. I'm six foot , 150, and have a considerable rear shelf and some anterior pelvic tilt. Because of this, my lower abdomen juts out ever so slightly. This makes my hellcat pro print like there's no tomorrow. However, I have considerable clothing drape in the back so strong side carry is super easy.
Thank you so much for this! It really helps quantify how easy or difficult a particular firearm will be, especially for those of us with small frames. I’m looking at purchasing my first concealed carry gun and I’m wondering how much harder it would be for me to conceal a sig p365xl at 45% hip to hip, vs the standard p365 at 40%. I like the improved shootablity of the xl, but I’m not sure how that would be concealing it day to day.
Excellent video. I never thought to do math for concealment.
This is a neat idea, and raises an interesting trade between the grip length vs. use of an optic. For the same concealment percentage, would you rather have a longer grip (better recoil control, more capacity) or an optic (easier shot placement, particularly at longer distance)? Optics are certainly trending, but I might lean in favor of the grip length.
I haven't taken much formal training or made the switch from irons to an optic, so I'm sure there are some more-informed opinions out there than mine. Any thoughts?
Fortunately today we can have both. A Sig P365 with 11 rounds on tap and a red dot will be a bit jumpy but it's controllable enough and packs enough rounds for most encounters. My regular carry is a S&W Shield Plus with a red dot. I carry the 10-round mag and can fit 2.66 fingers on. It feels good to shoot, physics being what they are for a gun of that size and weight. The red dot annoys me with how it conceals but I like having it. It annoys me because it makes my small gun a lot taller and likes to print because when the grip is being rotated in by the holster the dot is being rotated out. I'm not going to trade because I like single focal plane shooting. I feel adequately gunned with 11 on tap.
If you're using an optic for distance then you're most likely not in a self defense scenario.
Does the measurement account for drawing your firearm too? Meaning how much grip you have around the pistol. Or how about cant? I love the science of what you are doing. Will holster selection be a factor -leather vs. Kydex?
There's a significant amount of variation in people's tolerance to printing. Some are very worked up about it, and others don't really care. I'm much more interested in draw mechanics and comfort than concealment, for example.
I shoot/carry irons, but seems like measuring to the top of the optic isn't quite the same as measuring to the top of the rear sight. The dot is situated further away from the gun's main profile, and probably more easily concealable than the rear of the slide for most people.
Then I guess there's also the potential consideration of the butt of a reload mag in this dimension, for AIWB folks carrying a sidecar setup.
I would say that this concept isn't relevant for those who don't care as much about concealment. This channel is definitely geared towards the concealed carrier.
Although the optic is situated further away from the back of the slide it's still plays a role in available concealment space, as would any additional length on the grip side of the gun.
This concept is very much still in the early development stage, so reloads, knives, medical carried IWB, or anything else carried inside the waistband has not become a consideration yet.
This metric exists to give those carrying between 10-2 a point of reference for their concealment difficulty level with any particular handgun.
For drawing mechanics, particularly with more concealable guns you'll want to go check out Demonstrated Concepts here on TH-cam.
@@tessahbooth I definitely think it's relevant, just saying that concealment is more of a subjective metric based on how you're perceived by observers. There can be quite a bit of printing, with the gun still concealed for all intents and purposes.
OTOH, mechanics are more objective. With adequate practice, shooters should be able to get pretty close to their game draw times with carry gear. And I think loosening up or rethinking concealment can be part of that.
The likelihood most of us are going to need to use carry guns is minuscule. But if we do, the likelihood that time will be of the essence is pretty high - otherwise you'd just walk away.
@@paulmarshall9189 I agree, perception has a lot to do with concealment, I talked about that in last weeks Social Camouflage video, but that can only go so far when there's a visible bulge under someones shirt.
What I want to do with this concept is to help people figure out how much effort it's going to take to carry a gun without that bulge.
If concealment is done well, it does not have to inhibit a fast draw, which is the main reason I wanted to direct you towards Demonstrated Concepts. Rhett Neumayer of Demonstrated Concepts primary carries snubbies concealed entirely below his waistband, and pretty consistently maintains a sub second draw.
I'd like to add that whether or not concealment is a priority for the individual, visible printing can cause negative outcomes, and that is outlined very well here: www.noonecoming.com/printing-doesnt-matter/
@@paulmarshall9189 Here's some relevant content from Rhett:
th-cam.com/video/xT85LyWpQR8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/4w_xF9KS7XE/w-d-xo.html
Regarding hip to hip distance is it: ASIS to ASIS / Superior aspect of the iliac crest and across / or some other bony landmark to measure?
Great video. I’m 6’0” tall and have been looking around at carry guns. I want to carry a full size glock 17 or 34 because 19s feel bad on my pinkie finger. It looks like if I don’t add an optic I should be fine, as 5.47/13 = 0.42
For these calculations is the hip to hip measurement including belly (for those of us who have more there than the two of you) or are we measuring the face on visual space? Tape measure from hip bone around belly to hip bone or picture a line out from each hip bone and measure between the two?
Hip to hip, belly should be included 🙂
There’s several implied assumptions in your approach such as appendix carry so for those reasons it’s not formal. Best to deal with each concealment location as a separate dimension of your study
Yes, this study is for appendix carry only.
Good concepts, 30-40%, that's a pretty tight set of options. Your husband sounds slightly taller and thinner than me, does he still use the Glock, I noticed it was in the ~50% for him. I am trying to decide between the SIG P 365, X, XL or the Taurus GX4. I haven't had the chance to shoot them all yet.
He still uses this same set up most of the time, but when he needs something smaller he uses my P365. He’s currently in the slow process of building a P365XL to eventually (hopefully) replace the 19, because it is a lot to carry most of the time.
@@tessahbooth thx for your reply! What do you mean by he's "building" an XL? Like adding optics or something, or something more in depth? If more in depth, why, out of curiosity?
@@killingfield He has a Boresight Solutions grip module for it now, but he’ll probably wind up adding a PMM compensator, and an optic. I’m not sure what else he’s planning for it though.
@@tessahbooth got it thx, yeah I had been looking at the X Macro with built in slide compensator, but apparently it's larger than the standard XL, which at that point starts to defeat the purpose for me. Great video, thx again, cheers
Great video! I’m at like 90% 😂 but I’m stubborn enough to put up with that.
Great content
This concept is gonna help a lot of people. I’m wondering how the application of these numbers would be for revolvers. Was there anyone who volunteered measurements with revolvers?
I'll have to go back through and check! I wouldn't think the overall measurements would change, as in, I would imagine you'd still want to measure from the bottom of the grip to the top of the sights, and compare it to the hip to hip distance, but there might be more to it then that!
I'd be interested to know also. Revolvers have a different shape than semiautos and the lack of the slide coming all the way back makes it sit differently.
I just use velcro on my belly fat roll and a holster and my belly lays over, or consumes if you will, the gun. Concealment is easy. I normally hide bags of potato chips there, or burritos.
To quick draw I just jump so that the blubber wave is going upward.
Hey that's a really cool concept! There's so many variables to how a gun conceals on an individual it's hard to know ahead of time whether it will work. I would feel super weird going to a gun store and being like "hey can I stick this thing in my pants?" To say nothing of having the right holster! I'm excited to see a fit-centric approach to gun selection
Really very interesting theory. More than a theory, actually. Makes perfect sense.
I'm gonna need a bigger measuring tape. 😏
Very interesting
I... can carry a full size pistol? Brb buying a IWB holster and wedge for my 96A1. I'm pushing 41-45% but with some good clothing that should be possible, I hadn't even considered that before.
Edit: Ok equipment list:
Beretta 96A1
Beretta 92/96 Hybrid AIWB Holster
T1 XL standard wedge
UltiClip Crux claw
This works considerably well, I'm hardly printing at all in Tshirts and absolutely do not print in any fall/winter clothes. The only thing that prints hard is a white Tshirt with head-on wind in places like parking lots. I agree with the 40% upper limit and say you can stretch it to 45%, but I wouldn't deep carry anything over 40.
Two cons: the with of a full sized handgun gives me a bit of a FUPA but it's not too terrible. 😅 And the only holster option for me is a hybrid so the claw doesn't work great (it does still help a bit), I'll have to find a way to bind the claw and the kydex. That may be drilling out a rivet (thanks Beretta 🙄) and putting on a straight bracket between the two pieces. The 92fs seems to have more holster options than the 96A1 so this will vary by your gun's popularity.
I'll definitely be carrying this for most of my needs as it's nice to have a large magazine of 40 cal. Thanks for the video!
I like the idea, however, an AIWB with a side car would take up nearly 80% or more of the space between your hips. I feel that this option does not give the appearance of a single sided print, thus presenting a flatter appearance. Essentially, it spreads out the area that bugles from the waistline, offering a more conforming look.
What about for your thick guys and girls? Even though my hip distance may be the same as other women, I weigh 260 lb and I'm 5 ft 6 with a long torso, the bulk of my weight being in my hips and butt. So these measurements might be right for an athletic build but do you have anything in the works to figure this out for your pudgier friends? I would appreciate any info! I'm working towards getting my concealed carry this summer and have been studying all of your information to find out what's right for me in addition to setting up times to shoot guns and find out what I like and feels good.
Hey! Fortunately these metrics are valuable for all body types. The reason for this is because we are really only working with critical dimensions.
So say your hip to hip distance is identical to mine, then you and I will probably have a very similar level of difficulty when concealing similarly sized guns. However, if you carry some of that weight between your hip bones, that outward weight distribution will certainly add to your overall hip to hip, and therefore increase your available concealment space. The location in which you carry will almost certainly differ from mine, but that’s going to be the case for differences in body type regardless.
For example, athletic and narrow builds like mine usually wind up needing to carry right at 12 o’clock or slightly off to about 11 or 1 o’clock. Typically heavier set frames, especially those who carry their weight in the font have much more success carrying further off to their strong side (2 o’clock for righties).
Does that make sense? It’s tough to explain in writing, much easier to explain on a person or through a video haha.
This video explains gun placement over an array of different body types that I think you’ll find helpful: m.th-cam.com/video/ej7t55VNuuM/w-d-xo.html
A very important consideration, but I believe you're overthinking this. The particular metric you suggest is applicable to AIWB, but not everyone carries in this fashion.
Many factors to consider here: Gun size, holster type and placement, etc. I do believe you're onto something, and relative size is something that must be considered. My first choice pistol doesn't conceal well in hot weather, so I have had to acquire a sub compact for that purpose.
Each user will have a number of factors to consider. Research and a little experimentation is key.
@@jrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjr I would pose one question. How did we manage to pull this off prior to this concept? I don't carry AIWB, and so won't spend time on this matter. As I said, this video only addresses AIWB, and not everyone carries in this manner. You go on ahead, I have other priorities.
Very informative video. Like you I have a 9" hip-to-hip measurement. In order to hit 30-40% concealment, we need a gun that only has a height of 2.7"-3.6". After what you learned creating this video, are you considering changing to a smaller concealed carry gun or changing how you carry?
Oh gosh I’ve been wanting to size down my carry gun for at least a year now 😄 it’s just a matter of figuring out what I want to size down to. That said, I’ll probably never get myself into the 30-40%. For people without narrow hips it’s kind of just accepting that concealment is going to require more effort, and we have stack as much in our favor as possible. For me, that definitely looks like sizing down from my 48.
Amazes me how people carry 34s pretty damn cool
Sounds very interesting but only works if you appendix carry.
Yes, this study is only geared towards appendix carry as of right now.
Excellent!
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what do you think about belly bands? it really works well for me. it holds many of mw guns and mag pouch i woul really like to hear your perspective.
I have quite a few videos on bellybands! If you go to my channel profile you should see a search button all the way over on the right, where you can search "bellyband" and my videos should pop up, or just go to the playlists section where you'll find a bellyband playlist.
thank you@@tessahbooth
These “armed and styled” videos got me really nervous getting into conceal carrying cuz these videos make it seem like it’s very difficult to do. I got my Vedder holster for my g43x, slapped it together and put it on with no issues. Didn’t even make a single tweak with the holster and it just works. I think these videos are for people who think conceal carrying a firearm is supposed to be comfortable or something. Well I have news… it will never be comfortable. That’s just something you have to deal with if you want to carry. Find the best position that hurts the least and go with it. You get used to it after a while. I’ve only been carrying for 3 weeks and sometimes I don’t even feel like I’m carrying.
How would this measurement apply to strong side IWB carry?
Strong side is an entirely different dynamic, and I don't know that I could come up with an equation for that. I think there would be a lot of angles involved, and even then, due to the way the body articulates when it bends at the waist, it's pretty challenging to select a gun/holster/placement combo that wouldn't allow the grip to print.
Appendix carry as it relates to concealment is an entirely different beast from strong side carry, all the way down to holster design.
Does the CR920 fit in the phylster holster?
It doesn't
I did some measurements, and I have found that what is killing my percentage is the optics. I can almost conceal ALL of my guns under 40% if it weren't for my optics. The Glock 48 was at 38.46% without optic. Add optic and boom! I'm at 46.15%. 😭
Does the enigma make holster for g42?
PHLster doesn’t make Glock 42 holsters, but there’s a holster fit guide for the standard enigma on the bottom right hand pop up menu on their website 👍🏻
This suits my type a-ness phenomenally
Question: do you feel like adding the height of the optic skews the percentage? I’m 5’9” 185, my hip measurement if I did it correctly is 11ish. I carry an MR920 & holosun 507c. Without the added height of the optic my percentage is 47%. This is as big a firearm as I’m comfortable concealing without wearing a big coat.
Let me add that rarely do I feel the optic is what is printing. Love the channel and love my PHLster enigma
The optic definitely plays a role. For example, my husband no longer carries this Glock 34, but carries a comped 19 with a 509t, which winds up being almost exactly the same height as his iron sighted 34, and experiences the same perceived level of difficulty. This is an area where I'd like to develop this study further.
Great video very informative.
Did you give up on the p365....?
Nope, I’ve started playing with the Spectre Comp and P365-380 though!
@@tessahbooth I can't wait for that comparison video. I'm very interested in that p365-380. I can imagine the benefits of it being lighter and possibly faster.
How are you measuring the distance between hips? Is it all of what is visible from the front or just the area inside of the hip bones?
We have been measuring from 10-2 o’clock, which for most, works out to be hip bone to hip bone. Once you go outside of your hip bones it starts to move into the strongside space and outside of appendix carry.
So according to the numbers, the g48 is too big for you. Do you still carry it or have you gone with something else?
Stillll carrying it most of the time.
Awesome!
Is this AIWB specific?
Yes
Why not the 43x non mos
Because the barrel and the optic are not my primary concealment struggles, it’s the distance from the slide to the end of the grip, which wouldn’t be solved by getting rid of the optic or downsizing to a shorter barrel 😕
Cool
Interesting
Genius.
A Glock 34 is a big gun. Does your husband have any issues with it as his CCW? (I'm roughly his size, and considering the gun.)
Also, a topic for you. How important is it to keep your gun absolutely concealed? I imagine the answer has to depend on the situation. For some people and situations it could be a major problem (e.g. student, hospital worker), but for others no big deal (e.g. a process server).
I'd have to agree, it depends on the context of the person asking the question, but for me, it's extremely important and a huge priority.
The Glock 34 is indeed a huge gun. He carried it for several months, almost a year, then moved on to a Glock 19, and now he's carrying a Glock 48 most regularly. He could conceal the 34, but it was a ton of work.
So bigger people can get away with concealing a bigger gun than a smaller person. Ground breaking discovery.
The measurements give people a way to quantify their difficulty level. Yes, generally smaller guns are easier to conceal, but the percentage allows people gauge their level of difficulty with a specific gun before buying it.
Are you sticking with the g48 or planning on using another option?
Oh I will most certainly size down eventually. The 48 has always been a challenge for me to conceal. I just haven't found the right thing to replace it yet.
This is only interesting in relation to appendix carry. I usually don't appendix carry.
Do measurement change of your stomach is not totally flat (like yours is)?
Nope, you'll still want to measure from hip to hip :)
I get that what you did speaks to fitment for slimmer people carrying AIWB, but it doesn't speak to shootability or comfort or any other methods of carry.
The measurement is relevant for any body type carry appendix, it's not specific to slimmer people, which is largely what makes it useful, because it helps people of all sizes determine their level of concealment difficulty with any particular handgun.
But yeah, its not relevant for anyone carrying outside of the 10-2 o'clock position, and no, a body measurement doesn't help with determining how gun shoots, but can be relevant to how comfortable a gun of a particular size is to carry appendix.
@@tessahbooth that was might point this would work for AIWB, but and maybe a 5 o' clock carry, etc. I don't know that the measuring work well in other places on the body.
@@gregchamberlain7554 Yep you’re totally right 😊 this measuring system isn’t useful for anything outside of 10-2 👍🏻
I carry around 45%. But that's only because I have a 509tgr-x2 on top. Otherwise it would be around 38%.
Another reason I love the Glock 26/27
5”10 175 lbs and mans walking around concealing that cannon
he has a very long torso, so its ideal to be able to carry long pistols.
I carry at 4 oclock so this doesn't apply
There are so many guns I would carry if the height was just 1/2 inch shorter.
what holster is your husband using?
A standard enigma with a pro series holster and a sport belt 😊👍🏻
They both look giant on both of you.
Haha that’s because they are 😄
What about us fat guys with a nice gut? Never see anybody studying that...
This concept should apply to all body types. The concept exists so that each person can determine their concealment percentage, in light of their own personal shape.
That said, I've made other content alongside PHLster with different body types that you might find useful. Concealment Principles are just that, principles. They exist to be taken advantage of by the individual.
th-cam.com/video/ej7t55VNuuM/w-d-xo.html
This post is geared specifically towards your body type: www.phlsterholsters.com/appendix-carry-for-big-guys-male-abdominal-fat-distribution/
@@tessahbooth Thank you for your response! Gonna check it out!
These measurements are useless for me because I will never appendix carry.
News Flash! Bigger guns are harder to conceal... mind blown!
Not necessarily, that can have a lot to do with proportions :) Sometimes smaller guns are more difficult and even uncomfortable to carry.
@@tessahbooth Um, no.
@@freeduc A lot of people may not have experienced this for themselves, but guns that are proportioned with a shorter barrel and a longer grip, or just generally smaller guns, can be considerably more difficult to carry. If you'd like to learn more about this phenomenon, I explained it in more detail here: th-cam.com/video/w43GVJeaOvo/w-d-xo.html
@@tessahbooth Hi, I just want to apologize if my first comment was, um, snarky. I really like your channel and I'm not trying to start an argument.
That being said, statements like, "generally smaller guns, can be considerably more difficult to carry" are kinda hard to swallow.
The first part of that sentence is true: the grip is what is harder to conceal and barrel length not so much. Still I don't want to conceal an M16 no matter how small the grip is. ha ha. I know that as a smaller person it is more difficult for you to conceal guns that I (6' 210 lbs) can get away with.
Anyway, take care, and I hope you have a nice day.
Cool concept, but for folks doing strong side, this is less useful.
I want to order a Enigma for my Glock 19, so many options and stuff on the website. Can I contact you in some way to help with ordering and what I need or may need? Your husband is my size, I’m 5 10 and around 155-160.
Yep, I'm happy to help, just shoot me an email at armedandstyledactual@gmail.com. You'll want to start by taking this quiz too: www.phlsterholsters.com/which-enigma-model-is-right-for-me/
@@tessahbooth ok thank you. I sent you an email.