BessY If I had Palpatine's level of powah I would've gone full conqueror, expansion and conquest, militarize and organize. You can't have UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAH! and not use it.
As many wise Sith in the past I would come into a feasible truce with both republic officials and hutt council members alike. It is noted that a galaxy united is the strongest galaxy.
*_"You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy peace and wait for the cycle to begin again."_* Vitiate was literally a god.
Sam 998 it's not out of the realm of possibility. Disney is going to be pushing star wars films pretty much till the end of time since they bought them out, similiar to what they're doing with Marvel. Once the sequel trilogy is done then the chances of seeing Old Republic related content is exponentially higher. And although the Old Republic story is considered non-canon, there are parts being cherry picked into canon such as Darth Bane's appearance in TCW series. Revan was also set to appear in TCW but was later scrapped. There's literally an unlimited amount of chances for Old Republic movies/shows, it's just a matter of time. There's still hope guys.
They want to create their own version of Star Wars, the sequel trilogy is just a way for them to kill off the old and bridge it with their future movies.
Lord Vitiate. He never attained the rank of Darth. Once he absorbed the life essence of everyone on Nathema and turned the world into a husk, he wasn't even Vitiate any more. That was the day the Emperor was truly born
Arthosion he was known as Tenebrae until he was 13, which was when he was presented to Marka Ragnos and given the name Lord Vitiate. After the great hyperspace war, he made Nathema a sanctuary for all surviving sith, who he then proceeded to consume along with the entire planet. That was when the Emperor was truly born
Vitiate is among my favorite Sith. I am most impressed that he was able to find a way to cheat death. But alas, his arrogance led him to foolish decisions regarding his children...
We dont know if his original body is really destroyed. It would be cool if in the end of star wars 9 snoke revealed himself in another body as Vitiate. And then Disney could make a new trilogy in old republic with him as the antagonist
It's hard comparing Sidious/Vitiate,they were both extremely powerful in the dark side and Sith alchemy. Sidious is considered the darkside incarnate by Lucas himself and ruled the Galaxy. Vitiate has destroyed planets, killing all life to fuel his evil essence. Both using essence transfer on host bodies for immortality. They're both interesting characters in their respective empires/timelines. I would love to see an Old Republic series with Valkorion/Vitiate and see how much power he has and how he wields it.
Indeed, his arrogance did slow him down, but not destroy. His original first body is still alive, even to the age of Sidious some felt his dark presence. Sidious however was even more arrogant, thinking that Darth Vader was so broken to the point that he would never snap out of his control, this led to his death, and in his case, it was permanent
@@phantom1a2 Sidious is NO where near Vitiate level. Sidious is a very successful sith and nothing else. Even sith get lucky and achieve golds if they plan carefully and cover contingency plans Thrawn was a no body in the force but clearly the most dangerous person in the empire after force users. Power does not mean everything something Vitiate learn before his end. He was so powerful he became ignorant that he could still lose vs many. His children, wife and the outlander (force for canon) Ganged up on him and drove him out. All of them very powerful them self's were needed for this. Sidious died to 1 man and didn't even see it coming like he went down like a clown not like a boss like Valkorian died after being killed many times and still came back for more. There is no comparison you all need to stop deluding your self to such silly fantasy's. Its better that Sidious was a Average powerful sith anyways makes his death and end seem more acceptable and makes for a good story. Because if you want your god tier sidious fantasy to go out like that. WHAT A LOSER clearly nothing he did was his plan it was someone else's the fool couldn't even see clearly to let his guard down THAT MUCH. to let a farm boy get him killed talk about a LAUGHTING STOCK of a sith.... But if you want this i got one last kill shot for you. Vitiate wanted to live many lives including that of a farm boy. so in the end... LOL!!!!
Terlin1466 agreed even then another sith that’s more powerful then sidious in my opinion is darth marr a powerful sith both on the battlefield and as the shield of the empire but also one of the only sith to truly become one with the force something neither sidious of valkorion could do both them being cast in the void
@@feduntu He was referring to Plagueis, because Plagueis could literally control life and death. But yea, several other beings have been able to body-swap through essence transfer, like Vitiate and Andeddu
Glad to hear Sidious knew about Vitiate. These 2 are my favorite Sith. I admire Malgus as well. He was much more of a practical, hands-on type of guy. Certainly someone Anakin could learn from.
Funnily, Sidious had Vader study Malgus because like Vader, Malgus killed his wife because he realized she had become his biggest weakness. Through her death, he used the pain and grief to fuel his dark side powers.
@@kiennguyentrong1897 Besides the fact that Vader didn't intent to kill her in any way and didn't even actually do it. Only the thing about the pain applies to Vader too.
It makes that Sidious would pay particular attention to the history of Emperor Vitiate considering his vast power and influence he exerted in both the Sith Empire and Zakuul. Sidious wanted power and Empire, Vitiate set the standard for both.
And that is what I like about Sidious, what also describes his own strength. He was not simply arrogant to throw away previous Sith knowledge and experience, but rather he studied it and tried to build and combine them all. That is what makes him the most prominent Dark Lord.
Valkorion is the emperor Palpatine WISHES he was. He actually unlocked the secret to eternal life. He ruled for other a thousand years to palpatine's 20. He was respected not even so much as the emperor but worshiped as a living god, having no need of a facade to hide his Sith persona. The Jedi order he dealt with were more numerous, more powerful and and less out of touch than the ones Sidious ever faced in the waning days of the Jedi when the Republic was old and tired.
Katie Persons The Jedi of the prequels are more powerful. Sidious was a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and capable of defeating 3 of the most skilled Jedi swordmasters in the blink of an eye. He was able to continuously drain the life energies of the 20 billions inhabitants of Byss while simultaneous keeping them in a dream-like state. He wiped the minds of millions or more of Coruscant citizens to hide the burial of the Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. He could sense Vader's traitorous thoughts from across the galaxy. His Force Storms could wipe entire planets clean of life or engulf entire fleets of ships. He was able to hold his consciousness back from the maddening expanse of Chaos and not only transfer his own essence, but that of others, such as Bevel Lemelisk. And he was only finally stopped by accidentally binding himself to a Jedi becoming one with the Force. Even then, it took every Jedi who had joined the Force to hold his essence from ever returning
Katie Persons Most of Vitiate's power came from rituals and relics tho. Unlike Palpatine he was not extremely powerful in a lightsaber duel, and was not that much of an expert in many thecniques other than consiousness transfer. However, Vitiate was the Sith lord who got the nearest to immortality. Even Darth Plaeguis admitted it, and he could do stuff that Vitiate couldn't. Since immortality is the second thing sith are the more obsessed about (their one true love being superweapons) it is safe to say Vitiate could be the most succesful sith ever.
If he wasn't extremely powerful in a lightsaber duel then he more than held his own in a fight just the same with the Force alone. He completely dominated a Jedi dream team strike force so elite that up to that point, had never known failure, only to end up bent helplessly to Vitiate's will. Darth Revan and Malak, two extremely powerful Sith in their own right, challenged Vitiate simultaneously and both got their asses flattened. The thing about Vitiate is not that he wasn't the finest swordsman amongst all the Sith. The thing about Vitiate is that he was so overwhelmingly dangerous that even Revan would fall flat on his face before Vitiate even needed to draw his weapon.
The sith of the old and ancient were beyond powerful they were so powerful many of them became sith gods. These sith of older time were different than the ones after bane. They have became iconic figures in sith history because of their great power and the amazing things they’ve done or accomplished
Sidious probably spent a good deal of time cursing Darth Gravid, since he would have used Vitiate's Immortality Ritual without hesitation, but Gravid destroyed most of the ancient Sith knowledge.
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I want to make this clear, even though Palpatine is the most powerful Sith, in my opinion, Valkorion/Vitiate, ancient Sith are more powerful than today.
No, that's not what I was saying, I don't believe that Palpatine IS better than everybody, not even close. I'm only saying that the ancient Sith ARE more powerful than Today's Sith. ( I never liked Palpatine in the First place and I think He can be beaten By a few people Mostly in combat and A bit of the force, Vitiate.)
Your facts are bullcrap...Darth Nihilus flew through the vaccuum of space on a destroyed ship using nothing but the force...and didn't need a deathstar to extinguish all the life on a planet...he just used the force to drain everyone's life force at once. And Vitiate was even more ridiculousy powerful...along with Marko Ragnos and other ancient sith. Palpatine was killed by a weak Vader literally giving him the shaft...well throwing im down a shaft...none of those ancient sith would have died that way...the ancient sith were more powerful...and I don't care what the legends comments did by resurrecting Sidious and all that bull...he became more powerful then...but he wasn't all that amazing originally.
To be fair palpatine In dark empire using body swapping clones to house his soil accomplished more than vitiate did using the jedi knights brain as a genie lamp
Thank you for posting this video Bessy. Looks like I'll be getting copies of some of these ancient tomes. (Book of Sith and Darth Plageuis respectively)
Darin De Paul is great as Valkorion, but I prefer Doug Bradley's voice of the Emperor, its feels as though theres something... off about his voice, like he's speaking through the thousands of voices that he absorbed on Nathema
Considering the old republic wasn’t even thought of when the original Star Wars movies hit the shelves, no. If you’re referring to the newly made canon, then that can be argued.
After watching the rise of Skywalker it does make sense, literally two sith emperors who built an ginormous fleet in secret (the eternal fleet and the final order) and both sith emperors who can live through other people’s body even after death Example: Rey and the Outlander from the Swtor game I mean come on that’s pretty close
dont get me wrong, i love the lore of the old empire, but this video was pretty misleading lol. Im not a serious lore buff, and i knew all this ages ago. I love vitiate though, which is why i clicked
@@mr.ditkovich6379 no he wasnt vitiate would destroy planets without some giant planet destroyer weapon he could switch bodies a lot easier than sidious he took on the entire dark council, grandmaster of jedi, etc and won several times. sidious could just use force lightning
Look at the vast differences between the character known as Vitiate and the character known as Valkorian in SWTOR. Plainly, they recognized there were problems with the earlier versions, so they re-created him as a far more accessible character.
dboymax1 None, because Sidious have never heard about Abeloth or know her, but if he knew about her, I think he see her as an godly being but mentally unstable and insane due to her constant wanting to be loved.
Disney can save this franchise if they get stuck into the old Republic era characters. I was hoping Snoke was Vitiate, but it seems he was just some bum thrown in for aesthetic purposes.
@dar'man beskar Ordo Disney runs lucasfilms like they do with marvel aka let those companies run themselves and just step in when needed like replacing a CEO etc.
Emperor Vitiate; had manuplated Revan, Malak, Hero of Tython, Master Tol Braga, Warren Sedoru, and Leeha Narezz and turn them into the Dark Side in a matter of seconds. But Palpatine spent 13 years to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.
Revans fall is already in progress before, valkorion just initiated the final step. If we're to use strawman here, valkorion ruled almost the entirety of his empire in secret, many doesn't know the empire is even exist and it's also not the entirety of the galaxy. And even though he ruled for over a millennia, the jedi order is still standing, although weakened. While palpatine succeed to rule all of the galaxy, obliterated the jedi order and all of that had been done for a shorter period of time, such achievement have never been accomplised by any sith before. Oh and also he ruled his empire without secrecy
tony machaveli Well, Vitiate was much stronger and wiser than any of our character is or ever will be.. The only reason he was beaten was that basically everyone turned against him.
So really he wasnt more wiser or stronger if everyone turned against him? If he was wiser he wouldn't of fell for our schemes and wouldn't of had people turning against him and if he was stronger he wouldn't need our body to sustain his life.
There is just no way. Vitiate destroyed all life on Ziost, killed a Dark Council member with the force in mere seconds, created two empires, and he basically was a god. The only reason our character beat him was because of all the help we had. Just think how strong he would have become if he indeed succeeded in draining all life from the galaxy.
Vitiate, Valkorion, tenebrae is still the most powerfull Sith Ever lived. I don't trust those books where people say that Sidious can summon force storms to destroy planets... Why would he even build the Death Stars? To kill time? A hobby maybe? if he can do all that... Flawed logic. Well it is now confirmed that the Machine "Zildrog" had some role with Vitiate's rise to power too. Let's see what we can have, before sidious became a crippled, walking-stick man, he was good in Lightsaber combat. Then as Emperor he Left melee combat and became better with just pointing his fingers to his target and shoot lightning. Which Valkorion did. But Valkorion isn't a crippled old man. Valkorion / Vitiate din't even used the term "i can feel your anger" or "I can sense your fear" to manipulate his foe. He used the knowledge of every being he had and turned them to the dark side. hence why revan and malak or basically anyone who found Vitiate's secret Location in Dromund Kaas before the Great Galactic wars. Looking at Sidious, i say that sidious rather looked up to Vitiate / valkorion as a kind of Idol. "I wanna be like him when i'm older" kind of thing.
@@darthinhilus2416 Lol, even mace stronger than palpatine. And it is canon;) Palpatine was good politician and good fighter. But he was not even near to Emperor Valkorion's level.
@@darthinhilus2416 you're right. and if the Op knew a bit more about Sidious, he/she would know that a lot of imperials including vader found the death stars unnecessary and that it was just Sidious serving his ego and wanting to have a vessel that symbolized power and inflicting terror. he also was aware that outside the galaxy another force existed and that spied on his galaxy and that it could pose threat, which were the Yuuzhan Vong, but he didn't really knew them, just that an extra galactic force was present at the borders of the galaxy. And the ability to summon Force Storms Sidious just learned to use, very late, shortly before his fist physical death over endor, and that ability was quite unstable to use, especially insie a battle station, and he didn't even consider the rebels worth to be defeated by him, but let his men do the work and instead focused on turning Luke to the dark side. The only reason why Vitiate became so powerful early on, was because he focused much more ot become powerful in using the force and because he grew up in a more hostile environment, and one controled by the sith were he would learn quicker what the force is and discover and understand his abilities better, while sidious could also use the force to an extent before he became plagueis apprentice, but still it took him longer to really understand his potential. and sidious was busy with his and his masters plans at first and only after he became emperor he really had more time to study the force more than he did before. and at some point learned the ability ot summon force stroms and essence transfer, the former vitiate never learned. also the reason why vitiate became so old was because drurning the first decades of his live he tricked a bunch of powerful sith lords to participate in ritual, which would sacrifice them and feed vitiate's power and increase his life span it wasn't his ownj potential in the force that made it possible. All in all sidious' potential was higher than that of vitiate. the biggest problem was, that his power grew too fast and the dark side thus clouded more and more of his own insight of the future and made him less cautious, which led to his fall, while vitiate just hold back most of his time and never controlled as much of the galaxy as sidious did. that and it was simply the will of the force to balance itself by neutralizing that dark side embodiement that sidious had become and the vast and quick increase of the dark side power, throughout the decades.
@@SpecForceMarine Vitiate kind of knew essence transfer. He occupied several different bodies. But Lucas has stated that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith to ever be. And we know that from his feats too. ( creating force storms and force draining planets for extended periods of time )
Here in my hanger bay, just commissioned a new star destroyer, it’s fun to sit in the bridge as I destroy rebel scum. But do you what I love more than imperial dominance? Knowledge
They should’ve brought back vitiate, nihilus, or Revan for episode 9. Sheev is cool but it would be awesome to see an ancient Sith Lord wipe the floor with Rey and taunt kylo for his weekness.
I always like expanded universe information that gives the characters and story a lot more depth. Seems like Sidious though was not really given the whole backstory he deserved in the movies; in matter of fact, the movies undermines his pragmatism through critical mistakes in his quest to dominate the galaxy. You mentioned his great levels of pragmatism, yet the films seem to leave him unaware of critical flaws in his own empire. Did vitiate ever let his empire be brought to the brink of collapse because of one critical engineering flaw in a planet-killing space station?
Vitiate and Palpatine are both truly extraordinary Sith. Both manipulated governments, using the petty wars of men to further to goals. Both were meticulous in their planning, waiting decades for their ideas to be realised. They both brought the Jedi to their knees- destroying the Republic!
Tenebrae took an an team of Revan, Meetra, Scourge, the Outlander, his family, Satele, Marr and more to kill for good. TROS Pals got killed by SSJ MaRey Sue.
So who were the five sith? I can guess it would be - Tulak Hord, Vitiate, Bane, Revan and Malgus? Hord is a stretch because it is known that very little of what he had created was discovered as he 1) hid it very well and 2) it was destroyed after the Great Hyper Space War. Vitiate was kidna ok imo, he kinda stuck me as coward, so afraid of death that he took the power of others (through sith rituals).
Brayden Atkinson He was created by the original Bioware before they got bought by EA. Vitiate/Valkorian is The Sith Emperor from uncharted space, that turned Revan and Malak to the dark side. EA owned Bioware are the ones who developed the character.
Then just don't care for Disney's ''canon'', if they say something isn't canon doesn't mean I'll see it that way, couldn't care less for what those morons say honestly.
Drommund Kaas Empire vs Republic Era was one hell of an era. makes the GCW and CLone Wars era look tame You understand Mace Windu's fear when he said "The Oppression of the SIth will not return"
Lucasflim and Disney are idiots for not bringing back The Old Republic. I mean hello you can make so much money off the rich history it’s really stupid not to tap into that fanbase
As a sith lord, Vitiate is the strongest and most influential, IMO. The guy TURNED REVAN, INSPIRED BANE, and FORCED THE ESSENCE TRANSFER OF OVER 9K SITH (i know it's 8k, but couldn't resist the Dragonball ref). However, the execution of SWTOR's conclusion is lazy and rushed. Hopefully the KOTOR: Reboot addresses this, and gives Vitiate his due. In a lot of ways, Palps owes every strategy in his arsenal, via Bain, to Tenabrae. Moreover, the "Emperor's Lament" portion of Palp's theme that plays during Vitiate's fight, is a nice touch that links the OT to the Old Republic. Ergo, with better writing, and with an actual damn given for the impact of plot progression, SWTOR's era will rival that of the Skywalker's (No, not you, Rey.*sigh*)
If Malgus saw an opening, his force lightning could disable Darth Vader's respirator and leave him in a weakened state. Plus, he was much more of an agile fighter compared to Vader
@@benronald vader in the current cannon seems stronger than legends vader. He flung sidious with the force in a fit of rage and took a heap of force lighting from sideous with no problems. Also vader is arguably the best duelest besides windu on his era
@@benronald it wouldn't have mattered, if he pissed off Vader enough force rage would have fueled him dragging Vader's disabled suit around through sheer will & force to attack, then whether Vader died or not after crushing his opponent would be down to whether the rage lasted long enough for him to be rescued, but the opponent would be dead by then if they hadn't fled in the little time disabling the suit brought them, & if they fled successfully Vader would be pissed off enough to live. Vader is literally a hate fueled monster.
What is great is that Palpatine, at his core in either canon, is essentially just a huge nerd. A nerd with power but a nerd nonetheless. Poor Vader probably never realized who he'd joined with until he had to read yet another book about yet another old dead guy.
I hope they bring Vitiate to Canon. Technically Darth Malgus is still alive frozen in Carbonite. He was in Vitiate’s Collection. Damn I hope they bring Malgus to live action. Who’s with me?
Ehhh.... Honestly with Malgus and any other ancient Sith, it's how I view Darth Bane and DC's "Darkseid": after seeing what has been recently delivered, I'd rather get NOTHING!
If he was frozen In carbonite for that long I'm sure if he got out he would suffer from severe hibernation sickness. Or he could've been healing his body with the force all that time.
I have a feeling that Vitiate is controlling palpatine don't forget you can't kill someone who has learned immortality i Personally think vitiate's essence's is controlling palpatine and he will reveal him self in episode 9 and with him being sooo powerful it would explain a lot. lets not forget disney have and has been reintroducing stuff from legends so its highly possible and thus this would connect everything together and since they have plans for Kotor/swtor in their minds again its very possible this is one way of bringing it all together.
People who haven't looked into the EU often mistake Palpatine for being the single most powerful Sith of all time, and for his era he technically was. However, he was weak by the standard of showcasing the kind of power he had. His strengths lied in the arts of deception and planning, rather than the sheer power of his Force abilities. While Sidious played games with a singular Empire, spent only a singular lifetime meddling with the physical realm and the politicians of his time, Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion ruled the universe from behind a red curtain for millennia. He was old enough to remember the era of the Old Sith Empire and was taught by none other than Marka Ragnos himself, one of the first Emperors to exist and a being so powerful that he lived on as a spirit after his death. Tenebrae conquered the known universe despite the efforts of various Jedi Orders and Revan, and even taught Sith Lords the kind of power that consumed star systems. Among his most powerful servants were the Dread Lords and Darth Fulminiss, the former of which could dominate entire star ships or fleets by flooding them with fear and horrific hallucinations, while the latter could summon storms that devoured entire cities and create plagues that wiped out planets. His immortality was attained by consuming the life force of his entire homeworld and all of its occupants, which was an act later mimicked and repeated by Darth Nihilus nearly two millennia later. He planned to perform this same act a thousand fold, engulfing the entire cosmos and attaining a level of power akin to that of the Celestials or their rivals, the Old Gods (yes, those are a thing in the EU). Had he not been stopped by his own students and his own personal division, he might have succeeded and thus wiped the galaxy clean of any life- likely making him the only being able to stop the horror known as Abeloth. By that reasoning, Palpatine was a smudge. Even though Sidious learned all of these tricks over his brief existence, he never thought to use any of them, despite possessing the necessary tools to do so. Instead, he was solely focused on attaining political power and ruling at the forefront of the Empire, rather than carrying out a cosmic plot. He minimized on most of what the other Lords of the Sith had accomplished, yet treated their rulerships as utter failures in the face of his "ultimate power".
If you're talking about cosmic plots , then Sidious manipulated the Darkness and clouded the visions of the jedi over a galactic range anyway , Palpatine is confirmed as the most powerful Sith Lord to ever live , there is no room for a vitiate > Palpatine debate
I personally think Vitiate is stronger than palpatine at least by a little especially since Vitiate rule his empire alot longer than Palpatine & he was more successful at swapping different body to prolong his life than Palpatine in legends.
Nikoli492 sidious was 💯 the most powerful force user in legends. Luke was more powerful but we never saw him use it constantly like palpitine. Like if you do more research in legends comics you'll find out just how unbelievably op palpatine is
That's legends...bullcrap. George Lucas didn't intend for Palpy to be any more powerful than he was in the movies...and that's how I shall see it...he wasn't more powerful than ancient sith. But I'm curious...make a list of all the supposedly OP things Palp couldl do...because the ancient sith displayed ridiculous feats of power.
except palpatine was already the most powerful sith ever in the movies according Lucas. also the whole return of the emperor as a clone was lucas' idea too
He was THIS CLOSE to being canon in the Clone Wars series but George nixed the idea--not because he didn't want him canon, but for Force doctrinal reasons. So sad! There was even a rough animation before it got cut.
I've lost count of how many "most powerful Sith in the galaxy" there actually are. I guess they all think they are the most powerful ones. #SnowflakeSith
Vitiate only ruled the sith empire, Palpatine ruled the entire galaxy. If he wanted Palpatine was powerful enough that he could have just rebuilt the sith empire himself and fought endless wars with the jedi the old fashion way but he would have the whole jedi order after him and he didn't want a measly sith empire he wanted everything.
@@moe5020 Vitiate didn't want to control the entire galaxy he wanted to kill everything lol and you have to realize that the old republic era Jedi/Sith were far more powerful than the ones in the prequels and Original trilogy eras and were higher in numbers in the millions so Vitiate couldn't just control everything if he wanted too and plus Vitiate never needed a death star to scare the Galaxy he had his actual power to do that
@@zaiken639 No they aren't Lucas has said the new sith were more powerful. The old sith had more knowledge and holocrons but they were weaker fighters. The rule of 2 refined the sith through survival of the fittest so it's common sense that new sith would be more ruthless and powerful then their ancestors. Vitiate needed the help of thousands of other sith to help accomplish his goals and needed to have a bunch of magic safety nets in place to make sure he couldn't be killed where as Sidious only ever had Plagueis and his apprentice's. Sidious and Plageuis preferred science combined with their force power over rituals aswell and with Plagueis especially being so wise and powerful that he created Anakin which is an insane feat and all without any rituals. And Sidious's science project the Death Star wasn't just going to scare the galaxy if it wasn't sabotaged it would have made Sidious unbeatable the death star would annihilate the old republic and both of vitiate's kingdoms combined pretty easily. Also if you need even more proof Sidious was the only sith that could fight Grandmaster Luke and Yoda who were the most powerful jedi of all time.
@@zaiken639 maybe in your headcanon lol, Sidious was probably the most powerful force user to ever live besides Anakin and maybe Darth Plagueis the Wise. How many rituals did Vitiate need to get power? mean while Plagueis literally could control midiclorians and that guy was surpassed by Sidious. Vitiate vs Sidious is like a civil war soldier vs a navy seal, yeah he could possibly win but is it likely? not at all
I've always wondered what would happen if Vitiate and Nihilus faced each other. Left unchecked, both of them would have eventually consumed the entire galaxy. It's a case of who drains who. Comment on who wins and why 💀
Both palpating and vitiate created 2 empires in their lifetimes and both went for 3, well kinda for vitiate, and both used force rituals to extend their life
If I remember correctly when Valcorian left the Sith Empire and became Emperor Vitiate he no longer considered himself a sith. Just a darkside user since he didn't follow that tenants. In fact I think he mocked the Sith
Ben Thewlis Remember Malgus proclaimed himself emperor when vitiate disappeared. And then when the Republic and the Sith Empire found the infinite Empire and valkorion Darth Marr was the ruler of the Sith Empire
Alot of power in this video, Sith POWAAA!
What would you first act as Emperor be if you ever became one?
BessY If I had Palpatine's level of powah I would've gone full conqueror, expansion and conquest, militarize and organize. You can't have UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAH! and not use it.
BessY My First Act as Emperor Tarlo would be The Destruction of The Hutt Crime Lords. They've been around a little to long for my Tastes
As many wise Sith in the past I would come into a feasible truce with both republic officials and hutt council members alike. It is noted that a galaxy united is the strongest galaxy.
BessY if I was Sideous I'd get a couple of Twi'lek slave girls to help me with regular skin exfoliations!
Hunt down all force sensitives and make sure they do not gain enough power to destroy me
*_"You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy peace and wait for the cycle to begin again."_*
Vitiate was literally a god.
All hail Emperor Vitiate!
I killed a god nice
GM Luke kills him without effort 🤣
he was a failed attempt at becoming a god, dreamed big but missed the mark
@@Marcusjnmc got very close through
I think that Disney should have made films about the old republic instead of episodes 7,8 & 9 as there is so much interesting content
Instead, they declared the Old Republic as non canon...I am most disappointed in their decision
Sam 998 it's not out of the realm of possibility. Disney is going to be pushing star wars films pretty much till the end of time since they bought them out, similiar to what they're doing with Marvel. Once the sequel trilogy is done then the chances of seeing Old Republic related content is exponentially higher. And although the Old Republic story is considered non-canon, there are parts being cherry picked into canon such as Darth Bane's appearance in TCW series. Revan was also set to appear in TCW but was later scrapped. There's literally an unlimited amount of chances for Old Republic movies/shows, it's just a matter of time. There's still hope guys.
Had to cash in on the ot nostalgia
They want to create their own version of Star Wars, the sequel trilogy is just a way for them to kill off the old and bridge it with their future movies.
They said anything before episode 7 was non canon. What part of that don't people like you understand.
Darth vitiate,the man who created two empires in his life!
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Lol don't insult Vitiate with that comparison
Lord Vitiate. He never attained the rank of Darth. Once he absorbed the life essence of everyone on Nathema and turned the world into a husk, he wasn't even Vitiate any more. That was the day the Emperor was truly born
Skullcrusher430 Actually he took the name Vitiate after Nathema. Before he was known as Tenebrae
Arthosion he was known as Tenebrae until he was 13, which was when he was presented to Marka Ragnos and given the name Lord Vitiate. After the great hyperspace war, he made Nathema a sanctuary for all surviving sith, who he then proceeded to consume along with the entire planet. That was when the Emperor was truly born
You belong to me Vadar! hahahahah
Ever since The Last Jedi, Legends is looking better and better
Joseph Johnson No.
Joseph Johnson Ever since The Force Awakens for me.
Marky Marc TFA was way better than TLJ (in my opinion)
Garmadon 0327 I thought TLJ was an improvement over TFA. It was still horrendous but at least they tried something a little different.
Marky Marc I respect your opinion
Vitiate is among my favorite Sith. I am most impressed that he was able to find a way to cheat death. But alas, his arrogance led him to foolish decisions regarding his children...
We dont know if his original body is really destroyed. It would be cool if in the end of star wars 9 snoke revealed himself in another body as Vitiate. And then Disney could make a new trilogy in old republic with him as the antagonist
It's hard comparing Sidious/Vitiate,they were both extremely powerful in the dark side and Sith alchemy. Sidious is considered the darkside incarnate by Lucas himself and ruled the Galaxy. Vitiate has destroyed planets, killing all life to fuel his evil essence. Both using essence transfer on host bodies for immortality. They're both interesting characters in their respective empires/timelines. I would love to see an Old Republic series with Valkorion/Vitiate and see how much power he has and how he wields it.
Indeed, his arrogance did slow him down, but not destroy. His original first body is still alive, even to the age of Sidious some felt his dark presence. Sidious however was even more arrogant, thinking that Darth Vader was so broken to the point that he would never snap out of his control, this led to his death, and in his case, it was permanent
@@phantom1a2 Sidious is NO where near Vitiate level. Sidious is a very successful sith and nothing else. Even sith get lucky and achieve golds if they plan carefully and cover contingency plans Thrawn was a no body in the force but clearly the most dangerous person in the empire after force users. Power does not mean everything something Vitiate learn before his end. He was so powerful he became ignorant that he could still lose vs many. His children, wife and the outlander (force for canon) Ganged up on him and drove him out. All of them very powerful them self's were needed for this. Sidious died to 1 man and didn't even see it coming like he went down like a clown not like a boss like Valkorian died after being killed many times and still came back for more. There is no comparison you all need to stop deluding your self to such silly fantasy's. Its better that Sidious was a Average powerful sith anyways makes his death and end seem more acceptable and makes for a good story. Because if you want your god tier sidious fantasy to go out like that. WHAT A LOSER clearly nothing he did was his plan it was someone else's the fool couldn't even see clearly to let his guard down THAT MUCH. to let a farm boy get him killed talk about a LAUGHTING STOCK of a sith.... But if you want this i got one last kill shot for you. Vitiate wanted to live many lives including that of a farm boy. so in the end... LOL!!!!
Terlin1466 agreed even then another sith that’s more powerful then sidious in my opinion is darth marr a powerful sith both on the battlefield and as the shield of the empire but also one of the only sith to truly become one with the force something neither sidious of valkorion could do both them being cast in the void
"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved " - Palpatine
wasn't he referring to Plagues? I am not sure how close he came tho
@@feduntu He was referring to Plagueis, because Plagueis could literally control life and death. But yea, several other beings have been able to body-swap through essence transfer, like Vitiate and Andeddu
@@neilmurphy966 palpatine got him drunk and took advantage of his guard being down.
@@tacostastegood3720 Even Palpatine did it in Dark Empire Comics
Sion?? He was the only true immortal... who died when he wanted to
Glad to hear Sidious knew about Vitiate. These 2 are my favorite Sith. I admire Malgus as well. He was much more of a practical, hands-on type of guy. Certainly someone Anakin could learn from.
So you admire a guy who killed people just because they weren't useful to him?
@@seb0rn739 I think you confuse between admiring the well-written nature of a villain, and deeply loving the villain himself.
Funnily, Sidious had Vader study Malgus because like Vader, Malgus killed his wife because he realized she had become his biggest weakness. Through her death, he used the pain and grief to fuel his dark side powers.
@Cold Savage ALT1 And Sidious was basically Vitiate's spirit possessing Palpatine's body
@@kiennguyentrong1897 Besides the fact that Vader didn't intent to kill her in any way and didn't even actually do it. Only the thing about the pain applies to Vader too.
Soooooo, what did he think of him?
... I was going to say the same thing.
I didn't see this before posting but I ask the same question
JT Synge he was probably jelly
From what I can gather Sidious respected and perhaps once upon a time even idolized Vitiate.
Probably as a badass
It makes that Sidious would pay particular attention to the history of Emperor Vitiate considering his vast power and influence he exerted in both the Sith Empire and Zakuul. Sidious wanted power and Empire, Vitiate set the standard for both.
And that is what I like about Sidious, what also describes his own strength. He was not simply arrogant to throw away previous Sith knowledge and experience, but rather he studied it and tried to build and combine them all. That is what makes him the most prominent Dark Lord.
That and being the only Dark Lord for the vast majority of the recorded timeline of the Star Wars films.
Valkorion is the emperor Palpatine WISHES he was. He actually unlocked the secret to eternal life. He ruled for other a thousand years to palpatine's 20. He was respected not even so much as the emperor but worshiped as a living god, having no need of a facade to hide his Sith persona. The Jedi order he dealt with were more numerous, more powerful and and less out of touch than the ones Sidious ever faced in the waning days of the Jedi when the Republic was old and tired.
Technically Palpatine ruled for 13 years as chancellor, then 24 years as emperor
Katie Persons The Jedi of the prequels are more powerful. Sidious was a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and capable of defeating 3 of the most skilled Jedi swordmasters in the blink of an eye. He was able to continuously drain the life energies of the 20 billions inhabitants of Byss while simultaneous keeping them in a dream-like state. He wiped the minds of millions or more of Coruscant citizens to hide the burial of the Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. He could sense Vader's traitorous thoughts from across the galaxy. His Force Storms could wipe entire planets clean of life or engulf entire fleets of ships. He was able to hold his consciousness back from the maddening expanse of Chaos and not only transfer his own essence, but that of others, such as Bevel Lemelisk. And he was only finally stopped by accidentally binding himself to a Jedi becoming one with the Force. Even then, it took every Jedi who had joined the Force to hold his essence from ever returning
Katie Persons Most of Vitiate's power came from rituals and relics tho. Unlike Palpatine he was not extremely powerful in a lightsaber duel, and was not that much of an expert in many thecniques other than consiousness transfer.
However, Vitiate was the Sith lord who got the nearest to immortality. Even Darth Plaeguis admitted it, and he could do stuff that Vitiate couldn't.
Since immortality is the second thing sith are the more obsessed about (their one true love being superweapons) it is safe to say Vitiate could be the most succesful sith ever.
If he wasn't extremely powerful in a lightsaber duel then he more than held his own in a fight just the same with the Force alone. He completely dominated a Jedi dream team strike force so elite that up to that point, had never known failure, only to end up bent helplessly to Vitiate's will. Darth Revan and Malak, two extremely powerful Sith in their own right, challenged Vitiate simultaneously and both got their asses flattened. The thing about Vitiate is not that he wasn't the finest swordsman amongst all the Sith. The thing about Vitiate is that he was so overwhelmingly dangerous that even Revan would fall flat on his face before Vitiate even needed to draw his weapon.
Katie Persons None of that holds a candle to the feats of Sidious
The sith of the old and ancient were beyond powerful they were so powerful many of them became sith gods. These sith of older time were different than the ones after bane. They have became iconic figures in sith history because of their great power and the amazing things they’ve done or accomplished
Sidious probably spent a good deal of time cursing Darth Gravid, since he would have used Vitiate's Immortality Ritual without hesitation, but Gravid destroyed most of the ancient Sith knowledge.
Highly doubt it there's no way in hell vitiate would have left any scrap of knowledge how he attained his power
@@andriusas90 in the plageous novel, it states that vitates knowledge was lost
The two strongest Sith ever.
temor 511 Yep.
The Disneyth Order is an abomination...
Wrest Life you think this is the worst thing Disney has done WRONG (pretty bad still BUT!) THEY BOUGHT FOX AND GUESS WHAT COMES WITH FAMILY GUY YES DISNEY OWNS FAMILY GUY AND ALSO AMERICAN DAD THE END IS NIGH REPENT REPENT!
Wrest Life but I agree Disney is truly the The worst of the sith
Well this is going to start World War 3 but here we go.
I LIKE DISNEY!
I want to make this clear, even though Palpatine is the most powerful Sith, in my opinion, Valkorion/Vitiate, ancient Sith are more powerful than today.
huh?
SSJ BLAIRE WHITE Sama He means that Old Sith was more powerful than New Sith, but he still thinks Palpatine is better than all of them.
No, that's not what I was saying, I don't believe that Palpatine IS better than everybody, not even close. I'm only saying that the ancient Sith ARE more powerful than Today's Sith.
( I never liked Palpatine in the First place and I think He can be beaten By a few people Mostly in combat and A bit of the force, Vitiate.)
Nobody cares what you think. There is a thing called facts. And by facts Sidious is the strongest sith in history
Your facts are bullcrap...Darth Nihilus flew through the vaccuum of space on a destroyed ship using nothing but the force...and didn't need a deathstar to extinguish all the life on a planet...he just used the force to drain everyone's life force at once. And Vitiate was even more ridiculousy powerful...along with Marko Ragnos and other ancient sith. Palpatine was killed by a weak Vader literally giving him the shaft...well throwing im down a shaft...none of those ancient sith would have died that way...the ancient sith were more powerful...and I don't care what the legends comments did by resurrecting Sidious and all that bull...he became more powerful then...but he wasn't all that amazing originally.
Vitiate accomplished more as a ghost using your brain as a genie lamp than Sidious could with an entire empire.
To be fair palpatine In dark empire using body swapping clones to house his soil accomplished more than vitiate did using the jedi knights brain as a genie lamp
Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord in both legends and canon, said by Lucas
@@mr.ditkovich6379 pre or post legends?
@@SomethingSmartIg He said that when the EU was canon
@@mr.ditkovich6379 Sidious beats vitiate/tenebrae, valkorion beats sidious due to his mastery of the entirety of the force
Thank you for posting this video Bessy. Looks like I'll be getting copies of some of these ancient tomes. (Book of Sith and Darth Plageuis respectively)
Listen to the audiobook for plaguies serious
Darth Vader's VA the legendary James Earl Jones VS Emperor Valkorion's VA Darin De Paul. Who can melt the most butter?
Darin De Paul is great as Valkorion, but I prefer Doug Bradley's voice of the Emperor, its feels as though theres something... off about his voice, like he's speaking through the thousands of voices that he absorbed on Nathema
True, true. There was something off with that voice when we confront him as a Jedi Knight on his Fortress and in the Dark Temple on DK.
Doug Bradley is the voice of Pinhead. Of course he's the best.
Doug Bradley, Darin De Paul and James Earl Jones are all awesome.
The most butter melted will have to do with who has the bigger bucket of popcorn.
Knowledge is a power. Guard it well. - Palpatine was a living proof of that.
Didn't Sidious model the Empire to be like Vitiates Sith Empire to? If he did then rhat just shows how much Sidious admired Vitiate.
Could be. But in real timeline valkorion is the one ripping off sidious
Considering the old republic wasn’t even thought of when the original Star Wars movies hit the shelves, no. If you’re referring to the newly made canon, then that can be argued.
@@90s-h7l it's not newly made canon, at least not Disney's version, Swtor is still adding to the Legends EU.
After watching the rise of Skywalker it does make sense, literally two sith emperors who built an ginormous fleet in secret (the eternal fleet and the final order) and both sith emperors who can live through other people’s body even after death Example: Rey and the Outlander from the Swtor game I mean come on that’s pretty close
If we want palpatine to even have a chance in comparison we have to use legends we can’t use canon feats are waaaay worse in power skill and knowledge
Valkorian thought himself so special, so far above the Sith. But in the end his vision was lost and the Sith remained.
you told us absolutely nothing except he knew who he was and probably heard him brought up alot.... pointless video is pointless
Matt Woodward yeah but it’s and interesting thought, and it causes a mass of debate
dont get me wrong, i love the lore of the old empire, but this video was pretty misleading lol. Im not a serious lore buff, and i knew all this ages ago. I love vitiate though, which is why i clicked
yeah the only reason i clicked on the vid is because i looooove Vitiate, he is the most interesting villain in star wars
It’s good that some records of Malgus remained. Man was a legend
"One of" the most powerful? He was practically a god!
@In-N-Out Valkorion swallowed planets.
@@victus7597 both has swallowed a planet before
@@victus7597 nihilus too
Yeah, but the most powerful was Sidious
@@mr.ditkovich6379 no he wasnt
vitiate would destroy planets without some giant planet destroyer weapon
he could switch bodies a lot easier than sidious
he took on the entire dark council, grandmaster of jedi, etc and won several times.
sidious could just use force lightning
Look at the vast differences between the character known as Vitiate and the character known as Valkorian in SWTOR. Plainly, they recognized there were problems with the earlier versions, so they re-created him as a far more accessible character.
By incorporating Vitiate into Papa Palpatine book of Sith, they have inadvertently accepted EU as cannon instead of the expensive Disney fan fiction.
Another great video BessY!
As always, wonderful video BessY!
I LOVE both Palpatine and Valkorion!
Absolutely love your uploads BessY, always look forward for your uploads. quality content as always, for a Star Wars channel!
I wonder what Sidious's opinion would have been about Abeloth?
dboymax1 None, because Sidious have never heard about Abeloth or know her, but if he knew about her, I think he see her as an godly being but mentally unstable and insane due to her constant wanting to be loved.
Well I just wondering what would have been his opinion if he did that is all..
He would tap that.
dboymax1
Terrified. If he ever saw her. She is a living incarnation of both sides of the force in pure chaos. Mentally ill with the powers of a God.
Who got defeated by Luke and Krayt.
Legends wise Sidious And Vitiate were identical personality wise from the days they were born they wanted to dominate
Disney can save this franchise if they get stuck into the old Republic era characters. I was hoping Snoke was Vitiate, but it seems he was just some bum thrown in for aesthetic purposes.
Ithink he will stole kilo ren or rey body.
@dar'man beskar Ordo Disney runs lucasfilms like they do with marvel aka let those companies run themselves and just step in when needed like replacing a CEO etc.
As of Rise of Skywalker Sidious thought "I'm going to rip off this guys whole expansion pack"
No joke never in my life have I seen such an accurate comment!!! XD
Sidious did it first, so Vitiate ripped him off
@@steel58836 no
@@yoshiyrn7272 before vitate was even thought of, Palpatine came back to life. Read the Black Fleet Crisis (since they're both legends continuity)
In revenge of the sith Palpatine told anakin to cheat death is a power only has achieved
Emperor Vitiate; had manuplated Revan, Malak, Hero of Tython, Master Tol Braga, Warren Sedoru, and Leeha Narezz and turn them into the Dark Side in a matter of seconds. But Palpatine spent 13 years to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.
Revans fall is already in progress before, valkorion just initiated the final step. If we're to use strawman here, valkorion ruled almost the entirety of his empire in secret, many doesn't know the empire is even exist and it's also not the entirety of the galaxy. And even though he ruled for over a millennia, the jedi order is still standing, although weakened.
While palpatine succeed to rule all of the galaxy, obliterated the jedi order and all of that had been done for a shorter period of time, such achievement have never been accomplised by any sith before. Oh and also he ruled his empire without secrecy
They were both obsessed with immortality
All hail Emperor Vitiate, the TRUE Sith Emperor and Lord of the Sith.
Really our characters in SWTOR are the real Emperors.
tony machaveli Well, Vitiate was much stronger and wiser than any of our character is or ever will be.. The only reason he was beaten was that basically everyone turned against him.
So really he wasnt more wiser or stronger if everyone turned against him? If he was wiser he wouldn't of fell for our schemes and wouldn't of had people turning against him and if he was stronger he wouldn't need our body to sustain his life.
Our character will most likely become stronger but we wont be recorded in history.
There is just no way. Vitiate destroyed all life on Ziost, killed a Dark Council member with the force in mere seconds, created two empires, and he basically was a god. The only reason our character beat him was because of all the help we had. Just think how strong he would have become if he indeed succeeded in draining all life from the galaxy.
Vitiate, Valkorion, tenebrae is still the most powerfull Sith Ever lived. I don't trust those books where people say that Sidious can summon force storms to destroy planets... Why would he even build the Death Stars? To kill time? A hobby maybe? if he can do all that... Flawed logic.
Well it is now confirmed that the Machine "Zildrog" had some role with Vitiate's rise to power too. Let's see what we can have, before sidious became a crippled, walking-stick man, he was good in Lightsaber combat. Then as Emperor he Left melee combat and became better with just pointing his fingers to his target and shoot lightning. Which Valkorion did. But Valkorion isn't a crippled old man.
Valkorion / Vitiate din't even used the term "i can feel your anger" or "I can sense your fear" to manipulate his foe. He used the knowledge of every being he had and turned them to the dark side. hence why revan and malak or basically anyone who found Vitiate's secret Location in Dromund Kaas before the Great Galactic wars.
Looking at Sidious, i say that sidious rather looked up to Vitiate / valkorion as a kind of Idol. "I wanna be like him when i'm older" kind of thing.
Maybe Palpatine was more powerful, but Vitiate lived much longer.
@@darthinhilus2416 Lol, even mace stronger than palpatine. And it is canon;)
Palpatine was good politician and good fighter. But he was not even near to Emperor Valkorion's level.
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC You have your opinion and i have mine.
@@darthinhilus2416 you're right. and if the Op knew a bit more about Sidious, he/she would know that a lot of imperials including vader found the death stars unnecessary and that it was just Sidious serving his ego and wanting to have a vessel that symbolized power and inflicting terror. he also was aware that outside the galaxy another force existed and that spied on his galaxy and that it could pose threat, which were the Yuuzhan Vong, but he didn't really knew them, just that an extra galactic force was present at the borders of the galaxy.
And the ability to summon Force Storms Sidious just learned to use, very late, shortly before his fist physical death over endor, and that ability was quite unstable to use, especially insie a battle station, and he didn't even consider the rebels worth to be defeated by him, but let his men do the work and instead focused on turning Luke to the dark side.
The only reason why Vitiate became so powerful early on, was because he focused much more ot become powerful in using the force and because he grew up in a more hostile environment, and one controled by the sith were he would learn quicker what the force is and discover and understand his abilities better, while sidious could also use the force to an extent before he became plagueis apprentice, but still it took him longer to really understand his potential. and sidious was busy with his and his masters plans at first and only after he became emperor he really had more time to study the force more than he did before. and at some point learned the ability ot summon force stroms and essence transfer, the former vitiate never learned.
also the reason why vitiate became so old was because drurning the first decades of his live he tricked a bunch of powerful sith lords to participate in ritual, which would sacrifice them and feed vitiate's power and increase his life span it wasn't his ownj potential in the force that made it possible.
All in all sidious' potential was higher than that of vitiate.
the biggest problem was, that his power grew too fast and the dark side thus clouded more and more of his own insight of the future and made him less cautious, which led to his fall, while vitiate just hold back most of his time and never controlled as much of the galaxy as sidious did. that and it was simply the will of the force to balance itself by neutralizing that dark side embodiement that sidious had become and the vast and quick increase of the dark side power, throughout the decades.
@@SpecForceMarine Vitiate kind of knew essence transfer. He occupied several different bodies. But Lucas has stated that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith to ever be. And we know that from his feats too. ( creating force storms and force draining planets for extended periods of time )
"You presume limitations to my power. There are none."
I unfollowed Bessy a long time ago. Nice to see he still doesn’t elaborate on his own topics. Learned nothing watching this.
Hail Vitiate, the eternal emperor!
When Palp does anything like what Vitiate did to Ziost, we can talk.
Ryan was that not just the Galaxy gun? Vitiate possessed everyone on Ziost before life wiping it.
Hey Bessy sorry i missed the livestream it was like 1am hear also love the video your pretty cool and is this legends.
So far yes its legends if anything changes i would love it and no worries man ill have another livestream soon
Nice
Here in my hanger bay, just commissioned a new star destroyer, it’s fun to sit in the bridge as I destroy rebel scum. But do you what I love more than imperial dominance? Knowledge
I'm still convinced that the Old Republic is canon, and no one will ever convince me otherwise
It's cool that you have your own fake version of cannon
@@highlandus SWTOR is canon!
Its is official Star Wars canon that Sidious is THE most powerful Force User ever
Disney or George canon? Because of only Disney matters now.
@@The_Desert_Tiger Both.
you never really gave sidious' thought on vitiate. you just gave what you thought sidious's thoughts might have been on vitiate
They should’ve brought back vitiate, nihilus, or Revan for episode 9. Sheev is cool but it would be awesome to see an ancient Sith Lord wipe the floor with Rey and taunt kylo for his weekness.
Vitiate is literally my favourite sith of all time
same
They studied Malgus? I thought they studied Bane…
Darth Vitiate was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. He was all the Sith.
To the sith he was know as Vitiate and his original name was Tenebrae.
I always like expanded universe information that gives the characters and story a lot more depth. Seems like Sidious though was not really given the whole backstory he deserved in the movies; in matter of fact, the movies undermines his pragmatism through critical mistakes in his quest to dominate the galaxy. You mentioned his great levels of pragmatism, yet the films seem to leave him unaware of critical flaws in his own empire.
Did vitiate ever let his empire be brought to the brink of collapse because of one critical engineering flaw in a planet-killing space station?
There is no death, there is only the force. *And I am its master*
Sidious: *.......Bet*
Vitiate possessed Plageuis and then transferred his essence to Palpatine. 😱
Vitiate and Palpatine are both truly extraordinary Sith. Both manipulated governments, using the petty wars of men to further to goals. Both were meticulous in their planning, waiting decades for their ideas to be realised. They both brought the Jedi to their knees- destroying the Republic!
I've heard his name both pronounced the way you did, and Vishiate.
I love your videos more than ever
Ahh remember Vader and the Emperor ahhh the good old days now we have Snoke.
Abdi Mohamud We had Snoke
Khalil Darth Tyus yup
Abdi Mohamud Snoke who? ;)
Tenebrae took an an team of Revan, Meetra, Scourge, the Outlander, his family, Satele, Marr and more to kill for good. TROS Pals got killed by SSJ MaRey Sue.
If you think about it Vitiate wanted to live for ever while Darth Sidious wanted to rule for ever.
Both wanted to live forever
The One Above All Yes but Vitiate was going to eradicate all life within the galaxy.
Vitiate was the most successful though
Spooderman teh thot Right because vitiate made 2 Empires from scratch.
I believe that Sedious was the most succesful. He succesfully destroyed Jedi Order and estabilished dominace over Galaxy which were two Sith goals.
Can you imagine if vitiate somehow managed to reappear in clone wars or galactic empire? Vitiate would be the greatest threat to sidious.
It would have ruined EVERYTHING for Sidious.
So who were the five sith? I can guess it would be - Tulak Hord, Vitiate, Bane, Revan and Malgus? Hord is a stretch because it is known that very little of what he had created was discovered as he 1) hid it very well and 2) it was destroyed after the Great Hyper Space War. Vitiate was kidna ok imo, he kinda stuck me as coward, so afraid of death that he took the power of others (through sith rituals).
Vasil Gevezov I would change Revan with Marka Ragnos
Vasil Gevezov Sorzus Syn, Darth Malgus, Darth Bane, Mother Talzin and Darth Plagueis.
I figured they'd get along...you know until they inevitably betray each other.
Vi-shee-*ate.* Not Vi-shee-ay. Please get your pronunciations right.
Vishee-It
Christian K. Or that, if you say it fast, yes :P
Pragmatic.... Not progmatic
Yeah that was killing me too😂! Glad I'm not the only one!
Wii She Ate
Great vid... love ancient sith videos
I still blame Disney for ruing this awesome history of the Sith....
SWECOMICS vitiate was made by EA...
Brayden Atkinson He was created by the original Bioware before they got bought by EA. Vitiate/Valkorian is The Sith Emperor from uncharted space, that turned Revan and Malak to the dark side. EA owned Bioware are the ones who developed the character.
The history is still there just most of it isn't cannon (at the moment).
Then just don't care for Disney's ''canon'', if they say something isn't canon doesn't mean I'll see it that way, couldn't care less for what those morons say honestly.
I like the Old Republic era as canon but I don't like SWTFU as canon purely based on Shaak Ti's death. I prefer the way she died in the Jedi temple
Drommund Kaas Empire vs Republic Era was one hell of an era.
makes the GCW and CLone Wars era look tame
You understand Mace Windu's fear when he said "The Oppression of the SIth will not return"
Lucasflim and Disney are idiots for not bringing back The Old Republic. I mean hello you can make so much money off the rich history it’s really stupid not to tap into that fanbase
Totally agree,to scrap Plagueis was criminal as that books a masterpiece
As a sith lord, Vitiate is the strongest and most influential, IMO. The guy TURNED REVAN, INSPIRED BANE, and FORCED THE ESSENCE TRANSFER OF OVER 9K SITH (i know it's 8k, but couldn't resist the Dragonball ref). However, the execution of SWTOR's conclusion is lazy and rushed. Hopefully the KOTOR: Reboot addresses this, and gives Vitiate his due.
In a lot of ways, Palps owes every strategy in his arsenal, via Bain, to Tenabrae. Moreover, the "Emperor's Lament" portion of Palp's theme that plays during Vitiate's fight, is a nice touch that links the OT to the Old Republic. Ergo, with better writing, and with an actual damn given for the impact of plot progression, SWTOR's era will rival that of the Skywalker's (No, not you, Rey.*sigh*)
Rofl last movie he basically wants to become vitiate hah it's hysterical. Just like valkorion and the outlander
Who would win in a battle Darth Sidious or Emperor Vitiate???
Vitiate
@@wolfmeadows tnx
Sidious if its dark empire version
@@vadimananenko2452 tnx
Malgus was likely not that powerful next to vitiate, sidious or even Vader.
If Malgus saw an opening, his force lightning could disable Darth Vader's respirator and leave him in a weakened state. Plus, he was much more of an agile fighter compared to Vader
@@benronald vader in the current cannon seems stronger than legends vader. He flung sidious with the force in a fit of rage and took a heap of force lighting from sideous with no problems. Also vader is arguably the best duelest besides windu on his era
@@benronald it wouldn't have mattered, if he pissed off Vader enough force rage would have fueled him dragging Vader's disabled suit around through sheer will & force to attack, then whether Vader died or not after crushing his opponent would be down to whether the rage lasted long enough for him to be rescued, but the opponent would be dead by then if they hadn't fled in the little time disabling the suit brought them, & if they fled successfully Vader would be pissed off enough to live. Vader is literally a hate fueled monster.
Close.. too close to call
imo he would put up a fight against vader. remember that vader never had to deal with anyone with force lightning.
What is great is that Palpatine, at his core in either canon, is essentially just a huge nerd. A nerd with power but a nerd nonetheless. Poor Vader probably never realized who he'd joined with until he had to read yet another book about yet another old dead guy.
I hope they bring Vitiate to Canon. Technically Darth Malgus is still alive frozen in Carbonite. He was in Vitiate’s Collection. Damn I hope they bring Malgus to live action. Who’s with me?
CharlieAlphaTV it’s hard to make an mmo canon goven all the choices that would have to be made with companions and such
joe clancy I know. After TLJ I don’t have any faith in Rian Johnson’s ability to visualize it and bring it to film. Zero faith.
Ehhh.... Honestly with Malgus and any other ancient Sith, it's how I view Darth Bane and DC's "Darkseid": after seeing what has been recently delivered, I'd rather get NOTHING!
joe clancy Not really that hard. There are just canon choices. Like how Revan in Canon is male while in game let you choose either male or female.
If he was frozen In carbonite for that long I'm sure if he got out he would suffer from severe hibernation sickness. Or he could've been healing his body with the force all that time.
I have a feeling that Vitiate is controlling palpatine don't forget you can't kill someone who has learned immortality i Personally think vitiate's essence's is controlling palpatine and he will reveal him self in episode 9 and with him being sooo powerful it would explain a lot. lets not forget disney have and has been reintroducing stuff from legends so its highly possible and thus this would connect everything together and since they have plans for Kotor/swtor in their minds again its very possible this is one way of bringing it all together.
Not once in the video does he say what Sidious thought of Vitiate 🙄
Would be so cool if Valkorion as canon and seeing Sidious and Valkor having philosophical debates..
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People who haven't looked into the EU often mistake Palpatine for being the single most powerful Sith of all time, and for his era he technically was. However, he was weak by the standard of showcasing the kind of power he had. His strengths lied in the arts of deception and planning, rather than the sheer power of his Force abilities.
While Sidious played games with a singular Empire, spent only a singular lifetime meddling with the physical realm and the politicians of his time, Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion ruled the universe from behind a red curtain for millennia. He was old enough to remember the era of the Old Sith Empire and was taught by none other than Marka Ragnos himself, one of the first Emperors to exist and a being so powerful that he lived on as a spirit after his death. Tenebrae conquered the known universe despite the efforts of various Jedi Orders and Revan, and even taught Sith Lords the kind of power that consumed star systems. Among his most powerful servants were the Dread Lords and Darth Fulminiss, the former of which could dominate entire star ships or fleets by flooding them with fear and horrific hallucinations, while the latter could summon storms that devoured entire cities and create plagues that wiped out planets. His immortality was attained by consuming the life force of his entire homeworld and all of its occupants, which was an act later mimicked and repeated by Darth Nihilus nearly two millennia later. He planned to perform this same act a thousand fold, engulfing the entire cosmos and attaining a level of power akin to that of the Celestials or their rivals, the Old Gods (yes, those are a thing in the EU).
Had he not been stopped by his own students and his own personal division, he might have succeeded and thus wiped the galaxy clean of any life- likely making him the only being able to stop the horror known as Abeloth. By that reasoning, Palpatine was a smudge.
Even though Sidious learned all of these tricks over his brief existence, he never thought to use any of them, despite possessing the necessary tools to do so. Instead, he was solely focused on attaining political power and ruling at the forefront of the Empire, rather than carrying out a cosmic plot. He minimized on most of what the other Lords of the Sith had accomplished, yet treated their rulerships as utter failures in the face of his "ultimate power".
If you're talking about cosmic plots , then Sidious manipulated the Darkness and clouded the visions of the jedi over a galactic range
anyway , Palpatine is confirmed as the most powerful Sith Lord to ever live , there is no room for a vitiate > Palpatine debate
@Lytral you...want me to do a timeframe for all of Palpatine's supermacy quotes?
@Lytral you sure of that?
I personally think Vitiate is stronger than palpatine at least by a little especially since Vitiate rule his empire alot longer than Palpatine & he was more successful at swapping different body to prolong his life than Palpatine in legends.
Nikoli492 sidious was 💯 the most powerful force user in legends. Luke was more powerful but we never saw him use it constantly like palpitine. Like if you do more research in legends comics you'll find out just how unbelievably op palpatine is
That's legends...bullcrap. George Lucas didn't intend for Palpy to be any more powerful than he was in the movies...and that's how I shall see it...he wasn't more powerful than ancient sith. But I'm curious...make a list of all the supposedly OP things Palp couldl do...because the ancient sith displayed ridiculous feats of power.
except palpatine was already the most powerful sith ever in the movies according Lucas. also the whole return of the emperor as a clone was lucas' idea too
@@radish45 doesnt that make luke most powerfull force user?
@@elevatingvibration1860 George flat out suggested to the authors to have Sidious come back to life and set some guidelines up to make it happen.
What track is that at 0:35??? It's incredible.....
Palpatine: Little Baby Boy
Valkorian: Joseph Stalin
Nah more like Palpatin: Hitler.
Valkorion: Mao Ze Dong
A thing that palpatine and vitiate both have in common is that they were the only sith that were soo close to become the ruler of the entire galaxy
Yea i recommend starwars fans to read the darth revan book. Crazy stuff
squid bear i know right. I feel like hes so close to canon
really? that book was awful. Completely ruined a great character
Such a boreing character..
Scourge gets fucked up throughout most of it
He was THIS CLOSE to being canon in the Clone Wars series but George nixed the idea--not because he didn't want him canon, but for Force doctrinal reasons. So sad! There was even a rough animation before it got cut.
Vitiate never even told Revan he lived a whole life as a Jedi for kicks
I've lost count of how many "most powerful Sith in the galaxy" there actually are. I guess they all think they are the most powerful ones. #SnowflakeSith
Vitiate was so powerful he just became emperor right away while Palpatine needed to use deception to become emperor
Vitiate only ruled the sith empire, Palpatine ruled the entire galaxy. If he wanted Palpatine was powerful enough that he could have just rebuilt the sith empire himself and fought endless wars with the jedi the old fashion way but he would have the whole jedi order after him and he didn't want a measly sith empire he wanted everything.
@@moe5020 Vitiate didn't want to control the entire galaxy he wanted to kill everything lol and you have to realize that the old republic era Jedi/Sith were far more powerful than the ones in the prequels and Original trilogy eras and were higher in numbers in the millions so Vitiate couldn't just control everything if he wanted too and plus Vitiate never needed a death star to scare the Galaxy he had his actual power to do that
@@zaiken639 No they aren't Lucas has said the new sith were more powerful. The old sith had more knowledge and holocrons but they were weaker fighters. The rule of 2 refined the sith through survival of the fittest so it's common sense that new sith would be more ruthless and powerful then their ancestors. Vitiate needed the help of thousands of other sith to help accomplish his goals and needed to have a bunch of magic safety nets in place to make sure he couldn't be killed where as Sidious only ever had Plagueis and his apprentice's. Sidious and Plageuis preferred science combined with their force power over rituals aswell and with Plagueis especially being so wise and powerful that he created Anakin which is an insane feat and all without any rituals. And Sidious's science project the Death Star wasn't just going to scare the galaxy if it wasn't sabotaged it would have made Sidious unbeatable the death star would annihilate the old republic and both of vitiate's kingdoms combined pretty easily. Also if you need even more proof Sidious was the only sith that could fight Grandmaster Luke and Yoda who were the most powerful jedi of all time.
@@moe5020 sorry but no... the old republic carried more power Jedi and Sith its just facts
@@zaiken639 maybe in your headcanon lol, Sidious was probably the most powerful force user to ever live besides Anakin and maybe Darth Plagueis the Wise. How many rituals did Vitiate need to get power? mean while Plagueis literally could control midiclorians and that guy was surpassed by Sidious. Vitiate vs Sidious is like a civil war soldier vs a navy seal, yeah he could possibly win but is it likely? not at all
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wheres the footage from 1:58 from?
Vitiate might be the most badass character in the entirety of the Expanded Universe.
No that are Satele Shan and Ahsoka Tano.
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Nah. Not even close lol
I've always wondered what would happen if Vitiate and Nihilus faced each other. Left unchecked, both of them would have eventually consumed the entire galaxy. It's a case of who drains who. Comment on who wins and why 💀
Vitiate mastered Force Drain, Nihilus was mastered by it. Vitiate would win hands down.
Sorry Palpatine, You can't be like Vitiate, actually I'm not sorry, Star wars legends is So much cooler.
But palpatine also have legends version
Both palpating and vitiate created 2 empires in their lifetimes and both went for 3, well kinda for vitiate, and both used force rituals to extend their life
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If Vitiate and Korriban is made Canon: Star Wars: Vitiate
So... he had much in common... But I thought the question being answered was "What sidious thought of emperor vitiate"
I think Vitiate is the most poweful force user ever. Besides Albatoh
@Lytral dude Abeloth is one of the most powerful Star Wars characters
If I remember correctly when Valcorian left the Sith Empire and became Emperor Vitiate he no longer considered himself a sith. Just a darkside user since he didn't follow that tenants. In fact I think he mocked the Sith
DD actually vitiate never left the sith he secretly created a new empire with a new vessel known as valkorion
Ben Thewlis Remember Malgus proclaimed himself emperor when vitiate disappeared. And then when the Republic and the Sith Empire found the infinite Empire and valkorion Darth Marr was the ruler of the Sith Empire
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