Josh Pate On Mike Leach's CFB Playoff Tweet (Late Kick Cut)
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- Mike Leach has added plenty of flavor anywhere he's ever gone, and recently his opinions on expanding the College Football Playoff somehow intersected with the conclusion of the Kentucky Derby. On Late Kick Live Ep 259 Josh Pate discussed Leach's reaction tweet to a long shot winning the Derby and how that correlates to what should exist in the CFP format. Is there any actual substance to statements like this once you get past the surface? Does this remind anyone of the arguments that were made after St Peter's made a run in the NCAA Tournament this past March? What are your thoughts on what's best for the College Football Playoff format and the sport overall? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Someone clip Josh saying “I think we rushed into desegregating schools too early”
That was grandpa!
@@JoshPateCFB With the way things are going in this country, I think "grandpa" was on to something lol
@@mississippirebel1409 uh
@@mississippirebel1409 Bruh you're keeping that Mississippi stereotype going strong...
@@mississippirebel1409 your name makes that comment very expected and why I will never understand why top black players play in states down south for a fan Base that wouldn’t invite them inside for a cup of tea
I want Mike Leach to take the Derby analogy to heart by holding open tryouts for every position on his team in 2022. That’s the best way to find the top players, right?
Hope so I’m going to state in the fall
@@johnmackshighlights8103 ummm he does
Doesn’t he hold open tryouts? Can’t people walk on?
Actually I don't think he would mind doing that and I think they actually have an open day. He practices what he preaches
Josh just went on the most random tangent I've ever seen him go on during this take.
Badge of honor. - JP
That’s half the reason I love him. Josh seems like the kinda guy excited to talk to ppl about anything
Signing in from Ringgold, GA!
Yes let's take another opportunity to make sure that only the same few teams make the playoffs, because that's so healthy for the sport
LOL They have yet to have the same combination of teams more than once.
I am not a particular fan of Leach, and certainly not his current school, but his analogy is not bad. Horseracing is a competition--like football--with winners and losers--like football--and underdogs and heretofore lesser opponents sometimes win--like in football. The nature of an analogy is to relate to a commonality between otherwise dissimilar things. What made less sense to me was the argument against Leach's statement.
I agree a 64 team playoff would kill the regular season. A 12 team playoff would not.
Yes it would
@@ufshorts5959 no it wouldn't.
@@ufshorts5959 lol why would a 12 team playoff kill the sport? CFB has the worst post season in all of sports. Boring neutral sites, only 4 teams, on and on.
@@tylerskywalker5862 you would have 2 or 3 loss teams in the playoff. Case and Point
@@ufshorts5959 6 extra games is too many
Josh, while I do agree with you, in this specific circumstance… What I appreciate about Mike Leach is that he still romanticizes College Football. I live under no illusion that Mike Leach isn’t also motivated by financial gain, and the foundational thrill of success through organizational efficiency. But I do believe that he goes into every game, against every opponent knowing there is 5-10 guys on any given roster they play, that lived somewhere either literally or metaphorically in the shadow of the home field they are visiting. Who turned their tv on no matter who came into town, or had that one spot near the field where the field announcers voice bounced off the trees just right so they could hear the .0000001% chance their team went into halftime tied.
I look back on Coach Saban’s comments(admittedly I can’t remember the timeline perfectly for this reference) but some time after they had played Georgia Southern in the early portion of the last decade and he passionately stated that they, “Ran through our **a** like **sh**(I know family show) through a tin horn and we could not stop them.” Which is a scare then years down the line the Citadel delivered as well. (Admittedly poor timeline here I am an IT guy by profession so I can’t memorize the details completely here)
However, I watch enough of the show to know he is juicing his players up with these moments of podium passion, something Saban has done endearingly(refusing to “declare” Tua Starting over hurts due to not wanting to hurt one of them publicly before discussing it with them privately. And in a unhinged way, leading to questioning if they have to fortitude to play 59:99 of football without a mistake when they “peak” cyclically due to the ebbs and flows of hemorrhaging players to the NFL and various other industries that don’t get enough respect.
But even Coach Saban, appreciates the idea that something weird that can happen when a group of 18-22 year olds, from some school most people can’t find on a map, get that one bounce and a little hope.
College football, even with NIL, and the SEC dominating, there is still that chance. Not that it’s practical to implement, nor do I think the product would be what Mike Leach believes it would be, but the idea shouldn’t be scoffed at, it should just be reframed. If anything Mike Leach is balancing all of this nonsense that circulates, leading guys to believe if they don’t end up at a SEC school with an NIL deal that they have somehow come up short, instead he entertains the ideas that we all know can work, because he knows what they can inspire.
It’s only a matter of time before one of these Citadels or Mercers or JMU gets one of these programs early in a September with 100 Mil of NIL deals, and they will go back to their hometowns, drink cheap adult beverages Im guessing Kirkland light, and talk about that game forever. I think that’s what is romantic and admirable about it. Especially given the establishment would never let Mike Leach within 100,000 Football fields of actual influence in how the game is conducted past January.
Mike leach- “we should be able to lose every regular season game and play for a national title it works for horses!”
Mike must have been looking at the Texas HS Football playoff brackets when he suggested a 64 team playoff. LOL🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Texas HS Football playoffs are great that would be a fun playoffs.
You are one of the reason why the transfeportal and the NiL is killing college football at first y'all did want to pay the players now you don't want the other teams to have a fair chance at the national championship you want things to stay the same nothing stays the same and it want hurt the regular season it will help the regular season because every game will matter 😀 😉 👍
So if nothing applies to college football then how does your comparison to the viewership of regular season basketball vs. post season apply? It doesn’t. So if it’s apples and oranges move away from the regular season argument.
Leach is a good coach but I think the playoffs need to be top 8 teams
Why does college football have to be every other sport? It’s the best sport on the planet FOR A REASON people. Bring back the crystal football and meaningful bowl games. Let’s be our own sport. In the words of my momma, “If everyone else was jumping off a bridge would you jump off a bridge?”. The answer is no.
I do love Coach Leach though. He’s wise on lots of other things. Lol.
Mike Leach has always said dumb crap though. He used to constantly down the SEC and complain about SEC bias when he was in the PAC 12 and Big 12 and since joining MState, he's all aboard the "this is the toughest conference" train. It's always like that; coaches complaining about the recognition the SEC gets for being brutal, then they come here and find out firsthand how hard it is to win. Not just against the Alabamas and Georgias, god forbid, on any given year, the Vandys, South Carolinas, and Miss States of the conference are fully capable of giving you a dogfight.
Lmaoooooo bruh you got me rolling 🤣 😂
64 is insane.
8 makes sense. 5 conference champs + 3 next highest ranked as wild cards.
or even 6 + 2. BUT NO ND without joining a conference!
Eliminates 99% of arguments. Simple and clean.
Why force ND to join a confrence? Makes no sense
@@guineapigclips5205 - You make no sense. Why should ND get to play one less difficult game when Georgia and Bama have to battle it out in the SEC championship???
@@glockman9c becuase that's their choice. If they show that they are a top team in the regular season whats one game?
@@guineapigclips5205 - clearly a ND fan. What’s one game? Conference title game? LMFAO!!!
@@guineapigclips5205 - Bama would not have made the playoff last year if they lost to Georgia, the #1 team in the country in the SEC championship game yet you think ND should just slide in skipping a game like that? That literally makes no sense at all.
I wouldn't let Leach anywhere near my offense, even a peewee team's offense because his style of offense is horrible. The air raid sucks against mid to top level teams!
Worst playoff take ever was whoever picked Michigan to beat Georgia lol
Leading up to that game, Georgia didn’t have any top tier wins other then Kentucky. They lost to Alabama. There were Georgia fans that wanted jt daniels to start that game.
I don’t think it’s the worst take 😂 you’re either biased as a Georgia or Ohio state fan
Only people in Michigan did that
@@brettbeaver103 no one, who watched any games of CFB that year, that included both teams, thought Michigan ever had a remote shot at beating UGA. No one with a brain anyways.
@@brettbeaver103 Tennessee, Arkansas, Auburn, and Clemson were all apparently not good teams in 2021, ok. Sounds like a Michigan fan still hasn’t left the Orange Bowl
@@mistercereal9624 yes none of those are top tier wins. Mediocre teams you listed
12 teams the ten conference champs top two independents
The “I-josh” “Pate-State” sneaking up on talking about yourself in third person…lol…agreed a 64 team playoff is not feasible…however with Mike Leach you never know if he’s saying something to get a reaction or is serious regardless of his delivery…quite possible his comment was related to the field size of March madness…entertaining video as always
Haha love the pirate. He could careless what we think.
This guy a fool.
Thanks for the viewership. - JP
Cincinnati Bengals made the Super bowl as a 4 cede. Expansion of playoffs? Michigan State vs Pittsburgh? No one opts out. The NFL has nailed it.
No we have nailed it before here in college football. If you like the NFL so much, why don’t you leave this sport and watch football on Sundays
I agree with Mike Leech. Don’t understand why you are destroying his tweet. We do need an expanded playoff. It would make the playoff so much more interesting. This is the worst take I have seen this guy ever make
Bro how 💀 the Kentucky derby is one race its not the same thing as a playoff format especially when comparing a horse to human beings
“There are no neutral teams in pinecone wars” -Michael Leach
I wonder if these fans of expansion realize that they are really campaigning for a participation trophy…
Leach is right. What’s your issue Josh. Your thoughts make me reconsider watching your show
I stated my issue. In the video. Thanks. - JP
@@JoshPateCFB the issues have no merit
@@jameswhittington2318 there’s no need to expand when the committee struggles to find 4 deserving teams every year. All you’re advocating for is more chances for bama and more Michigan/UGA matchups or bama/Cincy matchups.
What about the FCS playoffs? Why would that be unrealistic?
I agree with Josh by the way
The FCS playoff is so good at giving the little guy a shot, there have been three different champions since 2014. The unfair CFB? Five
I would like a 6 team playoff with the 3 and 4 teams against 5 and 6. Then winner plays 1 and 2 seed.
Bro with the NIL and sec domination i bet its headed in a direction most will not predict. 32 team team super league. 8 playoff spots.
Just move it to 8 with the first round played on campus
I will say, I don’t think we the people of CFB are in any danger of viewing Mike Leach as an influencer of any kind. We all love his sound bytes buuut no one takes anything he says to heart…not even Mike Leach
Come on. You Know what he met.
2 schools of thought are at odds with one another, expanded but limited playoff vs number of conference teams that would be eligible. I would go about a 10 team playoff, and randomly powerball draw the matchups, matchups are the cornerstone of the basketball tourney , so let’s take that element and make it a football element.
If he actually said there should be a 64 team playoff he 100% has dementia Alzheimer’s and multiple tumors
Since the expansion of fcs football’s playoff (closest comparison since it’s still d1 fb) there have only been 3 different schools who have won the fcs championship since 2013. North Dakota State (7x), James Madison (1x), and Sam Houston St (1x). Just something to keep in mind.
They play their way in though. They weren’t essentially placed there due to some eye test
@@JaceStCloud well yeah, but I’m just saying an expanded playoff doesn’t necessarily mean new teams will win. Just more of the same. I used to want an expanded playoff, but I’m not sure what it really changes.
The NFL regular season is 17 games. A 64 team playoff would add 6 games to the national championship teams schedule that is already 12 or 13 (depending on conference championships) that would give the top teams NFL comparable schedules and the way injuries occur I feel like that is life changing disasters waiting to happen. 16 is pushing it but 8 I feel would be perfect unless non conference games were dropped but then the teams that don't make it play less even if they get a bowl game. 8 Should be the number. Leech is crazy!
What dose he want it expanded it to even if they let all top 25 teams in he still would be looking for big foot during the playoffs
Ayooooo lol I can’t breathe !!!!!!!!!
Josh Pate seems cool, but he'll never reach the levels of "National Treasure" that CML has...especially with these kind of takes.
Cml ?
I agree with expanded playoff but up to 12.
That’s not a bad take
8 or 12 teams. Just the top teams and not confrence champions automatically get in
64 team playoff is better than a 4 team playoff made up of 12 random idiots' favorite teams.
So you want 32 extra games on a 12 game schedule,think about it then just say no
@@michaelmerck7576 shorten the regular season to 10 games. The teams in the championship would only play 6 extra games in a 64 team playoff. Thats 16 games total. Think about it and just say yes.
Or maybe your school could just win their regular season games and you wouldn’t have to whine about expansion. Seriously, what year has the committee got it wrong?
@@redatlanta3100 Well you could wen your regular season games but then if the committee doesn't like you they can leave you out. Most notably 2020 Ohio State only played 6 games and somehow got into a 4 team playoff. Unbelievable.
@@AllInForYah who should’ve went over osu? An A&M who’s best win was a 4 loss Florida? Your argument is bad when you only have 1 year you can point to and it was a Covid year. So you’re saying outside of a pandemic year, the committee has got it right? Seems like they’ve done a good job.
Grandpa was something else
I sense an attempted cancellation on the horizon for the “we segregated schools too early” story 😂
If Leach was still at WSU, this Tweet wouldn't raise an eyebrow with you, but he is speaking from the sacrosanct SEC podium,,,smh
A 64 team playoff? Every SEC team besides vandy will be in every big10 team besides Nebraska will be in and a good bit of the rest of the conference’s
I mean, dry pan is kinda his thing soooo no one every really knows if he’s being completely serious or not, lol
Mike is right but everything he say goes over y’all heads
16 teams are the best way to go, just put 16 teams on the field
64 team playoff sounds like sarcasm to me - surely not serious ? --- What is the lowest ranked team to ever win it all in March madness ?
8 seed. On five occasions, an 11 seed has made the final 4
Who was the 8th seed NC team ? NC ST ?
"Who cares" I love college football, it not all about Alabama in Georgia it about college football the love of the game of football
@@frankkluz9787 yeah it was NC State against UH I believe
@@txar6959 Phi Slama Jama & Clyde the Glide ?
Lmfaooo GRANDPA NO
I want the BCS back.
So what if grandpa said that…you live to be that old you can say and think how you want to…
Josh, this is honestly might be my least favorite segment of yours. Even if I disregard the 8 and a half minutes of irrelevant rambling prior to you presenting your actual argument, it was still difficult to get through.
Your counter argument to Mike Leach is that because we didn't pay attention to this horse's previous races or to St. Peter's regular season, then they didn't deserve to make the post season? This isn't a popularity contest. If my team can beat your team head to head, why should it matter which team had more fans? Do you think it would be unfair for a smaller, less popular school to pull out an upset victory over a larger opponent?
I challenge you to find an organized sport anywhere on this planet more unfair and unbalanced than college football. I doubt you can. Fairness or balance has never been what made college football great.
You said it yourself, a college football playoff would be more entertaining to watch. What else even matters? Get aboard the expansion train... Before it's too late.
Not remotely what I said. - JP
@@JoshPateCFB ah, my apologies. Maybe if you spent 8 minutes articulating your point as opposed to 8 minutes telling a story about your hypothetically racist grandpa I wouldn't have misunderstood.
Josh mentioned that the contrast between the TV ratings of the regular season Vs the NCAA tournament are proof that an expanded playoff would diminish the regular season of college football. If that is the case, why are regular season TV ratings better now than they were prior to the CFP.
I would argue that an expanded playoff would cause fans of to be MORE engaged during the regular season. Right now, with only 4 teams making it, 95% of programs are practically eliminated from playoff contention half way through the season. What effect do you think that has on regular season engagement for those programs come November and December?
@@riestroutman3787 I think what he's trying to say is horse is not human and human playing football is not like human playing basketball have very different styles of game one in which upsets easier because of speed and point factors and the other which is the opposite of that 🤯
What the fuck Josh how do you go from talking about horse races to talking about desegregation is bad 😅 come on man
Every other sport has a real playoff except college football
Cool. - JP
@@JoshPateCFB So you're into the constant narrative of what if. I'm tired of the media controlling college football. They do it in their rankings and in playoff selection. Look no further than Texas always being ranked preseason which effect the weight of their games and A&M being kept out of the playoffs in 2020 because Kirk Herbstriet shilled hard for OSU.
@@JJ-zr6fu how many ranked wins did A&M have in 2020? Wasn’t their best win a 4 loss UF?
Mike is so right!
Leach is a Leach on other things not named football
Really?
This dude doesn’t have a grasp of figures of speech apparently.