Free To Play Games: Our Reluctant Future
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2020
- Free to play games are a thing. A thing that evokes an audible sigh within the hearts of many. Are they scams? Are they cool? Are they cool scams?
See that’s the thing, it’s complicated. As complicated as just about anything in the magical world of video games. So today I’ll, um, just talk about it. So that’s the vid. Yup.
Monty Mole wasn’t worth it, by the way.
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While the games themselves can be terrible, the ads for them are something else.
Especially on TH-cam when advertisements promoted some mediocre app games that we don't really care about. Why does ads these days attempted to irk all of us just to promote their products when some of these things they shove our faces are unnecessary to our needs?
Dude you username is so true It just happens out of nowhere after the mid game year starts
EPIC SEVEN!!! I-
*skips ad
Well, that's how mafia works.
@@henryfleischer404 Epic Seven was actually a really good game for the first year. That was until they started catering towards whales and became more pvp oriented. And then they started making ads. It's usually when good games starting to make ads is when they start turning bad for me.
did knowledgehub actually just post something slightly coherent
It’s rare but it happens
@chekki brekki He used his LSD money to buy monty mole.
He gets coherent for certain segments. But a whole video. Damn
What voherent? It calls 1990 the good old days of free to play, it just skip, naa.. somthing with no importance in free to play, supercell and LoL, nothing important for the free to play history, it that decade was totaly the worst dacade of free to play of course, that two companies were totally irrelevant for free to play history. A game that is tidinv a bike is totally better than, titles that no one knows, CoC and LoL and clash royal, the bike game was extreamly better, so much that i did't even knew about iy
@@tobiasmercader8091 hey calm down Bob. Watch the video please
Can’t wait for Candy Crush 4: Return to Stalingrad
oooh, what abt cany crush 7: the crusade?
Or Candy crush 15: Steiner’s counter attack
Candy Crush 200: Nuclear Genocide
Candy Crush 2.713: Emperor of Man Returns
Lmfaoooo
“Microtransactions”
I’ve been summoned.
Leave
Lego Darth Vader pay me $5 for the season pass first.
@@ToddHowar.d alright fine i paid.
Todd Howard when morrowind remaster Todd?
ALL HAIL GODD HOWARD
"Casual audiences do not bring longevity."
This.
Clash of clans
I had been more time playing clash of clans that not playing it, i had play it for 7 years, when i was 6/7, thats longevity
Tobias Mercader that’s easier since all of us need a phone and have them strapped to our asses now, but what happened with the Wii is probably never going to be replicated ever again. There was a point where stores were using Wii’s as fucking door stoppers because everyone had a Wii in their house, it was like a staple household item because you didn’t have to know how to play games to understand that moving your Wii remote back and forth was how you hit the virtual tennis ball. The Wii was lightning in a bottle hence why when Nintendo tried to extend onto it with the Wii U which was trying to target both casual players and hardcore gamers, it flopped because the casual consumer (presumably parents and grandparents) who had a Wii wouldn’t understand why they’d have to pay 300$ for a newer Wii when their Wii works fine. And of course the Wii U was struggling to target hardcore gamers because the new PlayStation and Xbox were on the horizon.
@@GAPSYO3O1 Also the confusing name and marketing didn't help either the consumers(both serious and casual) or the companies that were gonna make games for it.
TF2: "What"
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Whenever u say “the good ol days” add that scene of 2001 a space odyssey u know the one
The one where Hal performs CBT on David?
The good ol' days after 9/11!
Whenever he says the good ol days, I think of actual history videos.
I actually do not know the scene
@@quimbus_bingley
I also don't.
Because I never watched the movie.
"If you ever get something for free, then you are the product."
@@mekhane.broken9678 xD
r/im14andthisisdeep
Also everyone: Watching TH-cam, a free website
Wartrix r/iusereddit
And I’m top dollar.
Morale of the story: TF2 predicted everything and did all of this years ago.
But still is a good game whether you pay or not
but tf2 has trading and most of these games dont
More like: Everyone copied the worst of TF2.
@@vbictor90 By worst do you mean aimbot crisis
Frankly much like every other major valve game
It was generation defining
And im guess half life alyx will be the next thing that every one copies.
mobile apps killed the idea of software having value.
Mobile apps require the same programming as any other app.
Copy/paste games and practically quaranteed downloads from kids on mobile
@@geemcspankinson let's hope the next generations adapt well to it.
Well on mobile you can monetize your product easier than on PC. Google/Apple gives you ready tools to insert adds and you have access to a loot of juicy user data that you can sell. I remember in old days Android didn't give you warning about app getting permissions, there was only a list on the app market page. It was in times when you had to download 3rd party flashlight app, some of them where asking for permission to read your contacts, access you microphone, GPS and of course internet. I miss the Wild West times of smartphones.
What, it killed the value of software or it needs the same engineering efford than an app and what do you mean with it killed the value of software and why? Purists, they are stange and full of irrational hate
@@Potatotenkopf yeah that wont happen
Those "whales" you speak of are actually gambling/shopping addicts dude. Like yeah there are definitely a small percentage of wealthy users who pump cash into games just coz, but the vast VAST majority are just addicts who can't help themselves and the gaming industry knows it. Jim Sterling has done some excellent work on the topic and interviewed victims, definitely worth a watch
Imagine making a game or an IP where instead of creating fond memories in gamers, you get money from addiction victims, that sucks.
I mean South Park made a good approximation of that...
@@JL-sk8fs and yet, for most investors, that’s a far preferable outcome. Think of the returns! The dependency! The sunk cost fallacy! They love that stuff. And it’s all just numbers on a screen, it’s not like they have to see the userbase like a shopkeeper would, so the addiction or its negative second order effects are completely irrelevant to their decisionmaking. (Come to think of it, I could easily be describing tobacco companies instead there. That’s… scary,)
I just don't think this is true. The data doesn't support that concl.
Well Tyler doesn't actually sound insane and makes a bit of sense; how remarkably rare these days!
The world is just so crazy he is a sane man.
durrr haha tyler is crazy le meme durr let me make the 800,000th comment about it oh boi here we go likes I can't weight
I tell ya, something's wrong with his microphone.
Nah, he's just transiting through the planes of existence.
Nah, I just spiked his drink with 50000% the ethanol recommended by the FDA
Nah, your ears just broken bro
@@austinmoon6974 Damn, gotta buy some replacement ears soon
That's what happens when you use a sock as a pop filter lol
Dude, I seriously would love if you did this style of history video based on how anime came to America and became the juggernaut it is.
I'd actually be really interested in that.
*Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon Intensifies*
4kids.
A True tragedy
"Anime" didnt rlly come to america, shonen anime did. Most other anime isnt properly a "juggernaut" in America yet
It's strange that people rarely comment on your music, it slaps
I heard good ol Frank Sinatra in there :)
I wish I could find the name of the song he uses at the very end
@@funkey6737 he has a Spotify
Rip flash, rip free to play games
pour one out for the homies
His mic made me think my earbuds were broken. Why does he sound like he's talking through a laptop mic?
I just want to know why he always fucking triples the volume during the end card and when that stupid song plays like at 6:17. Twice now I've made the horrible mistake of watching this channel late at night with no headphone
@@Spabobin watching a TH-cam video without an earbuds is on you because it's not just that the videos are untrustworthy in terms of volumes of their audio but also that its everytime sounds shit without one, so why even bother to not use any earbuds?!!!
Imagine using earbuds.
@@TH-camisntlettingmeuseczech that can't imagine not using them because the high pitch EEEEEEEEEEEEEE of tinnitus drowns out their thoughts
@@observer5615 _> "but also that its everytime sounds shit without one"_
Your grammar is a bit wack, but I think you're trying to say "it always sounds shit without earbuds". I'll let you know that I've got myself some high quality speakers, so it sounds great playing audio with those. Personally I don't like earbuds or headphones, so I don't use it.
I absolutely wholeheartedly agree with all of this videos content.
Lol
Michael Sanchez how did you watch a 14 minute video in 2 minutes
@@normalhuman78-53 there's the joke
I wouldn't call Facebook games "PC games"; it's pretty much a platform of it's own, with a very specific demographic.
You could call them "browser games", or if you want to be more specific: "social media based games".
@@kuolettavaVids or "shitty fucking greedy ass worst of the industry facebook bullshit"
Oh my, is this video sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends?
Probably...
thankfully not
no, its sponsored by Genshin Impact
Expecting companies not to repeat the past & short themselves in their collective feet is a rather positive take.
Tyler is starting to look more and more like Morshu when he's talking
Let me douse you with some knowledge:
*RAID SHADOW LEGENDS*
AIDS: SHOAH LEGENDS
LETS GO WHALING!
Rrrrrreiiiiiiids schalommm rangerrrrrzzzzz!!!!! Kosher master sword sold separatisteleyyy.
As someone who played these types of games ones... They are depressing.
...Is a pile of nuclear waste that should be burned.
Smurfs Village: ranked sixth
Gargamel: The evil has been defeated
I remember playing Smurfs Village as a kid but it stinks that you have to wait for the crops to grow within more than one hour, so patience can be important. If it takes for too long, then it will rot.
You're wrong; I don't like free things.
What about free fire, freesby, free kicks or freestyle?
*LIAR*
Lie
What about the likes you've received?
Are you telling me freeciv, ICBM by Repvblic, orbiter, openTTD, abandonware, and other free shit(s), are bad?
I'm getting a little concerned for Knowledgehub. Watching his videos over about two years I feel like I'm watching a man descend into madness. Very entertaining, a little conerning.
The 2 adds i got for raid shadow legends on the video has to be some kind of cosmic irony
Just a lovely channel always poppin out high quality, insightful, and unique takes on things everyone is talking about.
just wonderful.
EA: Makes money through add on content and micro transactions
Paradox: Hold my developer's tools...
Paradox: DLC The Game
EU4 is still releasing DLC 7 years after release.
Their dlc's add tons of content though lol. They were asking the community how they felt if instead of paying for each dlc you just paid a subscription that unlocks all of them and you just pay as long as you want to have the dlc which would be nice since eventually you'll stop playing the game for a while and not have hundreds of dollars of unused dlc
Correction, ea makes you pay for a game put mictotransactions that are nesesary to play at a competitive level, but not before paying the online subsfriptions of the consoles, have a millon DLC's , havw allways an earlh acces that makes you pay more to have it before most people and oferrs fiferent vertions that tje morr uou pay the mare advantages you have and makes a sistem yo pay for small discounts for their games.
@@wilhelm__3713 nigga its around 10 bucks for essentially a new nation or two. I dont doubt Paradox' quality, but this dhit is ridiculous.
The moment when I discovered that Rovio deleted the og Angry Birds games in quarantine, I just lost 40% of my childhood
All shitty ad-infested microtransaction "free" games have their roots in the city building/farmville formula.
Energy points, or paying to make it playable. Or insane p2w buffs.
I hate the current era 😖
Absolutely horrible.
I'm so happy there still are some decent companies and games out there.
Fr. Only thing I get on play store now are ported pc games
Except among us. But even that is a pc port
@@bananafone1414 Same here. And if i play on mobile, i usually just pop out a controller and play with an emulator, or just stream real games from my pc with moonlight. 4g is barely enough for it though.
@@Litepaw I prefer touch controls
Love you and your style and this channel, keep it up my dude!
hope you are doing well in these hard times.
Not to forget that Angry Birds used to be good. Until they updated it to have the life system just like AB2. It was really disappointing to see the downfall of such a good game.
Song that starts at 1:17 is mambo no 5; gussing it’s an original remix because it’s very Tyler-esque.
Imagine making a game or an IP where instead of creating fond memories in gamers, you get money from addiction victims, that sucks man.
That's why I don't play a lot of mobile games.
Ea is literally getting sued for causing this exact thing.
Just came back to visit one of my favorite channel to see a new art style! Looks great man, really cool, I dig it. Great vid, keep up the good work!
Hey man glad to see your not in a mental downward spiral like before. I’ll keep watch no matter what because your videos are entertaining either way.
Why does the audio sound like a sock was placed over the mic?
At some point around 2015 I spent $60 on Destiny: The Taken King or smth like that on the xbox market, and I couldn't play it bc I didn't spent $60 on the base game.
that's because you bought the taken king expansion not the actual game. a expansion is different from a micro transaction for multiple reasons but the main reason is that a expansion expands on the already existing game usually adding a lot of extra content to play instead of with micro transactions where you usually buy something like a skin, currency, or something to boost you in the game.
I mean, it does say that you need to pay for the base game in order to play the dlc
@@happily7514 bro why would I pay $60 for something I already needed to spend $60 on?
@@FidgetTheMidget8P idk ask bungles
@@FidgetTheMidget8P because an expansion is exactly what it says it is? When I was 8 and bought a lego mindstorms land rover expansion kit for $40, I didn't bitch about it not working as a standalone because I was too dumb to read the description properly
Ironic how I've gotten Raid Shadow Legends ads during this video.
Bruh, your soundtrack choices for these videos alone makes for great entertainment. Deserves way more praise than it's getting.
I got roped into 500$ on hearthstone, almost all of my allowance from 2014 to early 2019.
I'm so jealous of my friends who bought real games during that time.
I could of gotten a 3ds and plenty of games for that money...
Micro transactions bad; Battle front 2, Mobile games etc.
Content expansions good;
Paradox Grand Stratagy games, Total War Warhammer
Change my mind.
Paradox just killed Europa Universales 4 with their expansions model and are on their way to do the same with Hearts of Iron 4. it worked very well with Crusader Kings 2 and Stellaris tho
paradox expansions are good at the moment, but they do seem to be crossing the line. with the release of battle for the bosporus for hearts of iron 4, it seems like paradox doesn't even know how to make paradox styled games, the turkey focus tree is a mess, bulgaria is a giant balancing act that keeps you from doing interesting stuff like war. greece is the only one from that pack that I like.
I had a professor in 2015 who was adamant that mobile games were the future and we should forget about anything else. Just about everyone in the class called her out on her bullshit and said the same thing, "casuals are the first to move on"
I love how he is playing a remixed version of mamboo no 5
I think youre forgetting the Asian market, worth more than the retail console and PC market for US and EU.
Yep, ignoring winnie the pooh china, your missing out on more than 2 billion potential sales. Too bad most people there are extremely casual and have the least informed ideas of games, excluding Japan of course. Marketing would prove amazing to help bring popularity to real games there.
I hope he talks about these anti piracy of anime & manga law next
Hehe, I do quite enjoy your content KnowledgeMan!™, I hope you continue to like editing and doing videos since their pretty enjoyable to watch on the side as I space out and enjoy existing while thinking about how this cycle of life will be a neat one. Hopefully it will smell good too.
Also, man does this remind me of that episode of South park with the Canadian Devil. Ah, you mentioned it! Neato.
I guess I'm the only one who had the actual lyrics for Mambo #5 running through my head.
That was fun!
I find it hilarious when he calls corporations greedy, as if that’s not they are literally created to be. It’s in their definition.
There is a broad spectrum between "providing good services for a reasonable price" and "actively ripping people off their money" as well as "paying exactly what you expect will be the product" and "being sold a pig in a poke"...
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 but the companies who do the former tend to get outdone by the ones who do the latter. The corporations who aren’t greedy get punished. Survival of the greediest. It’s not greedy corporations, it’s a system that rewards greed.
If free to play tactics dare leak into 1st party Nintendo games.... I'd straight up boycott a free to play "Zelda" game.
Because the moment that happens, it will cease to be the thing I love, and merely an animated corpse, seeking to strangle me for my life force.
Nintendo isn't that cheap to stoop that low. They knew the value of their franchises very well, up to the point they sue just about everyone that makes fan games of it...
*laughs in Mario Kart Tour*
I seriously doubt that Nintendo would include free to play tactics in their major first party releases.
Free games were a lot better in the 90's when you had to pirate them.
Love this kind of video, meme vids are good but I like a good mixture of memey and informational.
Great video! I'm curious to know what players would think about having a game being F2P but with a "donation" feature to allow users to determin how much $$$ they want to put into the game they enjoy and support continued development.
I think that's a decent idea. I don't see much of a problem with it.
"Console sales were dropping and phone game sales were rising"
Ok but did anyone bother to check console game sales?
your videos are so high quality goddamn
What happened to the days when all you had to do was pass a level to get power ups or skins
As long as the monetization is purely cosmetic, then the game can be good even if free
@@colin3ds1 You paid for them anyway lol
Cosmetics are as important as any other part of the game
Blocking them under a paywall is bs
@@nobodyinparticular9640 maybe a single player game, multiplayer games are about skill and competition, cosmetics are just bling
@@povilixas I used to think that… but any game played with friends inherits a social FOMO aspect, activating something deep in our brains that needs a lot of discipline to ignore.
For instance I never bought any skins in Overwatch and thought they were a total waste of time - until Witch Mercy came out, which broke me, in a way I was completely unprepared for. I was genuinely jealous of my friends who had her. So then I spent £15 or £20 on loot boxes to get enough points to buy the skin.
I don’t think I ever did that again; but up until that point I had regarded myself as completely immune to that stuff, and it was personally a shock to experience how powerfully overwhelming that can be. Knowing a majority of people are far more susceptible to those compulsions than me, it ultimately made me reassess my stance on that matter.
This microphone is killing my ears.
I just realized what the the tumbnail was. It's pretty epic
Damn that ending was literally perfect!
Warframe player: **laugh in Tenno language**
the more accessible the game is the eaiser kids we be able to play it
Supercell was ahead of its time, and still is. Clash of Clans is an example of a microtransaction game with longevity (it’s multiple years older than nearly every single other currently high-grossing game, is very accessible to F2P players, and has been consistently updated with great content) and the relatively recent Brawl Stars is an example of a mobile game that feels like a genuine simplified AAA game that you’d find on consoles (it looks fantastic, is extremely F2P friendly with most microtransactions being cosmetic, has a great gameplay loop, is mostly skill-based, and has been consistently updated like CR)
I love how nobody has mentioned the Mambo No. 5 in the background at the beginning
And old man tf2 shuffles on, breathing heavily; but yet, still breathing.
good
That's team fortress 2 right? If so jeez I played that in middle school... I'm 32 now. Used to love that damn game
As a Game Developer, although I understand the push back of Free To Play Games, and I see that there is good reason to see why they are all bad. And I will admit almost all Games on the App Store are absolutely cheaply produced, horribly put together Hot Garbage, and more and more Skilled Developers are leaving the Platform because dwindling Ad Money, and the Horrible Terms of Service. With that in mind the App Store is still as popular as ever, very much so, however more and more quality games are being replaced by simple Memes, and the App Store was always a place of lets say *Questionable Quality*. But I really think that if Free To Play is done well it can be great, it allows for everybody to Play the game, and can allow for continued support on Games. even for Single Player Games. The main downside is currently people are seeing Free to Play as "All you can eat gorge fest" and they turning what could Green Plains into dry deserts, instead of Designing the Game with Monetization System, they design the Monetization System and *then* the Game. and because the where much of these Games thrive as are in the App Store a place where people are not as caught up on Exploitative Models, it seems as though this will keep going.
The good ol' days are still alive and well. All the best free to play games from that era are still available, and people are routinely picking them back up to play.
When you said "the big kachooga" my Google assistant closed youtube.
I didn't expect to see this at all, also us F2Ps can sense whales, it's like a 6th sense
"My WHAALE Senses are tingling!" It do be like that even in CODM
The 4 games i play the most on pc are brawlhalla, warframe, world of warships, and league of legends. Lol
I love the editing on this channel
The good old days of Zynga. I miss fishville, cafe world, mafia wars, and cityville.
Hey can someone tell me where I can find that version of Mambo No. 5 that he plays in the background?
I like it so much that it distracts me from what he is saying
Did you record this on a different microphone? It sounds like a laptop mic instead of the usual setup you had in your old videos. It's a little painful to listen to at normal volume, I had to turn it dowj
Loving the trips that are these vids
Pokemon quest at 6:03 was actually a super fun game, i would only play it when i was on break at work and stuff cuz of the wait times so i never had a problem with running out of energy and stuff. I havnt played it for a long time but i still have it downloaded in case they update it and add more content. Would definitely reccomend trying it out
To be fair, the whole "mobile games replacing console games" thing did kinda happen in japan
That's horrifying
Or like PRChina, it is the normal scene...
Yes but they use high quality mobile games not bad rip offs genshin impact comes to mind
Please forgive this weirdness but, your icon gave me a Moment because it looks nigh-identical to how I looked at 15 and 16. The hair style, the glasses, the collar, the hoodie. It’s not a particularly unlikely coincidence of features, nevertheless it still makes me feel like I’m looking at a younger me. ANYWAY the art style and pose is cute and the hue work is good!
I hate free things
what about the 13 likes you have?
Those few seconds of maple story brought back so many memories
I like the mambo no.5 in the background
I haven't watched the video yet but I know you've forgotten Diabotical.
There are a lot of games on the market. Including tons of games which do not have micro-transactions. Support those if you don't like the micro transaction business model.
And don't spend 40$ on a monty mole. That encourages the business model you hate. You know this, come on
5:26 The phone he showed is the type of phone I still have and I play Angry Birds Space on it from time to time.
When you put God of War on the screen I reflexively skipped the next 15 seconds before going back
B- but Tyler!! I want to pay money for games!!
what are the names of the songs at 2:49 and 14:52 ?
You are not the only one looking please let me know if you find the last one
Me: *Sees the intro face.*
Oh God, Tyler's done it again.
“Before 4G”
*dinosaurs roaming the lands*
Lol
Nowadays, the games can be sorted into several categories.
Free to play games (actually good games, pay to win, games with an occasional ad, and games that are pay to play)
and the usual games you buy (good games, pay to win, games with occasional ads, and pay to play on top of the price you paid for the game).
By that do u mean
F2p free to play
Ptw pay to win
P2P pay to play
Hello
Hello your first
Úr first
I hope this will be the most liked comment
Is this hello free? Does it have ads and microtransactions?
Sergio Winter H e l l o
I saw a little clip from Marvel Strike Force in there. I love that game it's a simple turn based RPG I don't understand why anyone would have anything wrong with it. Plus it does get better and better and keeps improving the trying to make a better gameplay experience.
I have basically become not interested in any modern video game. I played apex legends, until I unlocked the ultra special awesome thing for free, and my drive to play went bye bye. I loved the game, and I spent 60 bucks, the value I thought the game had. Now I'm back into old, but gold games.
If F2P is the future then I think I’ll stay in the past.
It's a bit ironic that it often feels like a free to play game has a greater cost in time and (if freemium) money than anything paid
That the points lol
14:18 jim sterling’s terminology: fee to pay.
Very good video, my man, keep it up
Just make free stuff that costs money. Problem solved.
Oh look. A bunch of articles telling me about how phone good and console bad.
I wonder who sponsored those.
Imma go find a cute puppy vid brb
Great video tylerhub. Unfortunately, ohayocon now seems a distant dream. Oh wow, could be worse.
Oh lord, something is wrong with the phase of this audio.. With headphones you sound literally like you're in my head.