They probably did that because they didn't want to upset their fans anymore than they already had I mean it's common actually for this kind of stuff to happen whether it's a TH-camr a musician an actor just getting rid of everything and starting over because they have no choice I'm not saying I agree with it especially if they did do something wrong they should be off the platform forever but if they didn't I understand it look at Chris Hardwick even though the guy fought back he was dropped from everything
Am I the only person who sees the comment they made about believe all survivors and immediately thought "well that would be an easy way for a psycho to break them up if they really wanted to". That shit is a dangerous mentality. It's why the saying innocent until proven guilty is even a thing, because it's imperative to any fair justice system. That being said the dude seems like a creep so I don't blame them for believing this one with little proof
Well, when you're a deranged leftist that tells everyone not to believe their lying eyes and to follow a STRICT, cultish, almost religious set of rules that change three times a year this is what happens. No one is ever woke enough and the left eats its own. Constantly. They will never have your back and would throw you under the bus for an OUNCE of power or attention.
@coomlord4502yeah don't you just hate it when you get falsely accused by someone who doesn't name you or your band on a podcast that gets like 30 listeners...
@coomlord4502 are you suggesting using a position of power to get with young, naive women is something that's ok to do? 1. This situation is straight up r#pe accusation !against an unnamed person! 2. Even it turns out the entire thing was consensual the entire concept of a famous musician using his status to get with young, naive girls is already bad enough. Especially for a band that preaches directly against that.
@coomlord4502 because the entire power dynamic is immoral? It's not anger that I don't experience it its anger that anyone would do it. The power dynamic means it can never be true consent. She wouldn't be consenting to him if he wasn't famous so it's only consenting to his power not him. It would be like a drunk person trying to fuck you while you're sober. You just say no or try and make up polite excuses (my go to tactic in those situations lmao). Either way it's irrelevant because it was full on forcing her down r#pe so his fame didn't really have a lot to do with it.
@@tommywright2487this situation is over doesn't this make him a survivor if an accusation. So like they should believe him off their own core element. Man believe the victim is dumb ofc you gotta believe the victim. Victims have endured something that actually happens 💀
@michaelcorcoran8768 you should apply it to public opinion as well. Someone shouldn't have the reputation destroyed on accusations and rumor. You wouldn't like it if you were accused of something you never did and lost your livelihood because of it before you even have the chance to defend yourself.
@mykefuller5284 hearsay is not evidence or a fact. I can run around claiming I saw you rape children. That doesn't make it a fact, and if 20 other people ran around and did the same, it wouldn't make it a fact either.
Now a days these types of rumors stay with you forever and the truth will never be revealed. So people won’t wanna do business with you. So there’s no point in continuing
to make things clear and to ensure that the right person is held accountable, the victim should name the person who did that to her. she doesn't have to put it on social media, but if she's serious enough to go to court about it, she will have to name them anyway
@@mykefuller5284do you have any evidence to prove it’s real? You might be out of the loop, but it’s innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent, good think the court of law doesn’t follow your logic or their would be thousands of false imprisonments
Believing victims just means taking a woman's allegations seriously enough to investigate and look at the evidence - neither of which was done. To believe women regardless of evidence is regressive, unjust, and stupid.
Whoa, in this particular situation; that was either the absolute most punk rock response possible... ...or the absolute least punk rock response possible...
This is a good way for actual predators to get away with anything they want, since clearly nobody involved here is guilty. The guilty party is still out there being a creep with zero repercussions.
I don’t know, I’m a huge anti flag fan and this crushed me to find out about but the fact that they immediately deleted their website and broke up tells me that Sane is guilty
To me this band has always been what it would sound like if a massive white collar corporation saw the punk ethos from afar and wanted to build a band that would rage against "the man" and make massive profits selling gear to the leather jacket and patch kids.
I literally just got into these guys this year. fell in love with their music. And now finding out that they Disbanded... God I can't have anything nice can I.
Hey you know what whether or not he did it the fact that they're disbanding because that's what the fans said they should do the fact that they believe all survivors which I mean not everyone is believable when it comes to rape allegations but the fact that they're taking it this seriously f*** it I respect that
I identify him as trans guilty. That’s when there’s absolutely no evidence but I still get to get to convince some people he’s guilty simply by putting trans before guilty. You have to believe me or your hurting me, my emotions are literally attached to my nervous system and I’m very sensitive when someone try’s to hold me accountable by forcing me to provide prove able facts.
At least they’re not being hypocritical about the situation
If they were confident he didn't do anything they wouldn't have immediately went deafcon four and broken up
They probably did that because they didn't want to upset their fans anymore than they already had I mean it's common actually for this kind of stuff to happen whether it's a TH-camr a musician an actor just getting rid of everything and starting over because they have no choice I'm not saying I agree with it especially if they did do something wrong they should be off the platform forever but if they didn't I understand it look at Chris Hardwick even though the guy fought back he was dropped from everything
Am I the only person who sees the comment they made about believe all survivors and immediately thought "well that would be an easy way for a psycho to break them up if they really wanted to". That shit is a dangerous mentality. It's why the saying innocent until proven guilty is even a thing, because it's imperative to any fair justice system. That being said the dude seems like a creep so I don't blame them for believing this one with little proof
Well, when you're a deranged leftist that tells everyone not to believe their lying eyes and to follow a STRICT, cultish, almost religious set of rules that change three times a year this is what happens. No one is ever woke enough and the left eats its own. Constantly. They will never have your back and would throw you under the bus for an OUNCE of power or attention.
LMAO 😂😂😂
Well, atleast theyre not hypocrites but talk about falling on your own spear.
"Believe all women!" "Ok you sa'd me."
*surprised pikachuface*
@coomlord4502yeah don't you just hate it when you get falsely accused by someone who doesn't name you or your band on a podcast that gets like 30 listeners...
@coomlord4502 are you suggesting using a position of power to get with young, naive women is something that's ok to do? 1. This situation is straight up r#pe accusation !against an unnamed person! 2. Even it turns out the entire thing was consensual the entire concept of a famous musician using his status to get with young, naive girls is already bad enough. Especially for a band that preaches directly against that.
@coomlord4502 because the entire power dynamic is immoral? It's not anger that I don't experience it its anger that anyone would do it. The power dynamic means it can never be true consent. She wouldn't be consenting to him if he wasn't famous so it's only consenting to his power not him. It would be like a drunk person trying to fuck you while you're sober. You just say no or try and make up polite excuses (my go to tactic in those situations lmao). Either way it's irrelevant because it was full on forcing her down r#pe so his fame didn't really have a lot to do with it.
@@Penguin_Power
It's either consensual or it's not.
If it's consensual it's fair game, simple as that.
Male celebrities are allowed to get laid.
I fuckin loved this band for the majority of my life. This fuckin sucks. I stand with Kristina
Believe all Survivors... What if they lie tho🤷♂️
then they’re not a survivor
@@tommywright2487well yeah so I guess they kinda fucked they're own shit. But like anyone can comment happened to me to
@@tommywright2487this situation is over doesn't this make him a survivor if an accusation. So like they should believe him off their own core element. Man believe the victim is dumb ofc you gotta believe the victim. Victims have endured something that actually happens 💀
It's to believe and investigate. Chris said it best, investigate all claims.
Justin faked the statement from the rest
This is the karma for cancel culture apologists
Believe all survivors, but deny them publicly. Ok then.
Absolutely heartbreaking they broke up
Innocent until proven guilty.
In a court of law. . We're not in a court of law.
@michaelcorcoran8768 you should apply it to public opinion as well. Someone shouldn't have the reputation destroyed on accusations and rumor. You wouldn't like it if you were accused of something you never did and lost your livelihood because of it before you even have the chance to defend yourself.
@mykefuller5284 hearsay is not evidence or a fact. I can run around claiming I saw you rape children. That doesn't make it a fact, and if 20 other people ran around and did the same, it wouldn't make it a fact either.
Sounds like he did it lmao
@@RampageRich12 people have come forward... are they all lying?
Love when woke inevitability cancel themselves 😂
Odd there breaking up just cuz of rumor. 🤷🏻♀️
Now a days these types of rumors stay with you forever and the truth will never be revealed. So people won’t wanna do business with you. So there’s no point in continuing
to make things clear and to ensure that the right person is held accountable, the victim should name the person who did that to her. she doesn't have to put it on social media, but if she's serious enough to go to court about it, she will have to name them anyway
Not the first time a woman ruined a career with false accusations. Too bad she'll never get anything bad out of it
When she described herself as a "reiki master" I was skeptical from the getgo!
@@mykefuller5284do you have any evidence to prove it’s real? You might be out of the loop, but it’s innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent, good think the court of law doesn’t follow your logic or their would be thousands of false imprisonments
@@mykefuller5284lmao😂
Cause women NEVER lie to destroy people's lives.
@@mototoad1242 There actually is evidence if you stopped being lazy and looked it up. It's also multiple allegations now...
This aged like milk. Dude fled the country over it.
That believe all victims stuff is ignorant whether Justin did this or not. Live by, die by.
Believing victims just means taking a woman's allegations seriously enough to investigate and look at the evidence - neither of which was done. To believe women regardless of evidence is regressive, unjust, and stupid.
@@chandler2 ok, you assaulted me, where's my compensation?
@@chandler2 is it? So it's better to punish the innocent than to let a criminal go free?
@@nunchuksteev9811 this is way more nuanced than any of youse are ready for
@@tommywright2487 it's really not. People lie sometimes and people SA sometimes. We shouldn't just automatically believe anyone. Simple.
I love when the cancellers get cancelled by their own braindead logic 😂 got to love ir
Whoa, in this particular situation;
that was either the absolute most punk rock response possible...
...or the absolute least punk rock response possible...
@@mykefuller5284he means the band splitting up and wiping any online presence all at once
So, now all it takes for someone to be guilty is accusation?
And it’s getting worse and worse 😬😬
This sucks! I wish the band could continue! I love anti flag ☹😓
This is a good way for actual predators to get away with anything they want, since clearly nobody involved here is guilty. The guilty party is still out there being a creep with zero repercussions.
I don’t know, I’m a huge anti flag fan and this crushed me to find out about but the fact that they immediately deleted their website and broke up tells me that Sane is guilty
To me this band has always been what it would sound like if a massive white collar corporation saw the punk ethos from afar and wanted to build a band that would rage against "the man" and make massive profits selling gear to the leather jacket and patch kids.
I literally just got into these guys this year. fell in love with their music. And now finding out that they Disbanded... God I can't have anything nice can I.
Listen to Reagan Youth. You'll thank me.
Listen to good music
I used to like them 20 years ago. I love the music, the bass especially but after a while all the political whining gets boring
Sounds like the entire band thinks he's capable of it.
God I miss the good old 2000’s when none of this “accusations=guilty” bs was happening
Even in “the good old 00’s”, if a dozen woman accused a man of rape, people took it serious
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls I’d argue it was taken more seriously with just one victim than anyone who had a dozen
Who cares
if they didn't think he did it they wouldn't have broken ip
i mean tbh good, who tf even listens to that garbage
Proof? Or just allegations...
There is more to it that we don't know but the band dose, and the fact they were picked out of every political band.......
Soft
Innocent until proven guilty
Hey you know what whether or not he did it the fact that they're disbanding because that's what the fans said they should do the fact that they believe all survivors which I mean not everyone is believable when it comes to rape allegations but the fact that they're taking it this seriously f*** it I respect that
Who wants anti flag to continue.
Can't it continue without Justin?
Just gotten into them last year and now I have to search another band of this kind
I identify him as trans guilty. That’s when there’s absolutely no evidence but I still get to get to convince some people he’s guilty simply by putting trans before guilty. You have to believe me or your hurting me, my emotions are literally attached to my nervous system and I’m very sensitive when someone try’s to hold me accountable by forcing me to provide prove able facts.
Busted!
What kind of nonsense is that "believe all liars" you do know there are tons of manipulative sick women in the world right?
The band itself is part of the ideology that thinks “believe all women no matter what” the cancellers are getting cancelled, got to love it
Have they tried calling the accusers fascist nazis? 😂😂
That's a good one
Or Christian nationalist supremists