He tried it on with my friend's 15-year-old niece. This guy is as straight up as it comes and would not lie to me. I've heard other first-hand accounts too. He is a scumbag.
this is sickening but thanks for covering this...I can see your emotion on this. Left me a bit sick in the stomach and I feel sorry for all the victims involved.
The punk scene in the 90s always had 30 and 40 y.o. guys in bands hooking up with teenagers in every town. When you're a teenager it just seems weird, then in your 20s it hits you. The worst part of this is the band pretending like they didn't know anything about it.
As a SA survivor, this makes me extremely angry. I’m about to get personal right now, but I was SA’d throughout my childhood and r worded at 12, and I cannot believe this piece of crap is not locked up. Man, my heart goes out to these women. It’s a hard thing to deal with. Damn, this triggered me more than I thought. Thank you for talking about this, Dan. This needs to be out there and people need to continue to talk about this because it’s not right. FML, I’m going for walk. Once again, thanks for putting it out there. Bye
This is how I felt too..for the same reason. Especially as a woman. Kristina said that 60+ women have come forward since and it just makes me sick. It's really affected me. Solidarity and care friend. ❤️
Man, this keeps getting more gross and more depressing. Well Danny Masterson just got life for rape so hopefully Justin isn’t too far behind (plus some extra years for all the shit music he made)
PA law is within two years, which would be the 17 and 19 thing. I learned that one when my then 16-year-old friend told me his then-girlfriend was 18. There was a time after an Anti-Flag show in Lancaster, Pa where he just gave off weird vibes when he was talking to a group of women a few years ago.
This is makes me sick. He betrayed all of us. I can’t imagine being her and thinking that that night would be the best of her life and then have it end like that. I gotta take my anti flag patches off of everything. I don’t even know who I can feel safe with anymore.
How can you preach how he has and do this stuff? Your first video brought be to tears and this is almost too much to handle. I’ve been a fan for over 20 years how fucking fake can someone be? I literally wear my flaws on my sleeve proudly and he’s out there faking it to one of the most thoughtful communities there is. He’s made me lose more faith in the world, but I have faith that there’s genuine people out there like myself and I’ll never cave-in!
I suffered SA abuse as a child. It really messed me up for years. I am very glad this is exposed. The people who abused me as a child in my family, are still at large and I’m 40 years old now. It’s important for survivors to spread awareness.
Years ago on the band’s website, I can recall each member being listed as 19 years old, even though they were obviously well older. Does anyone else remember this? I might be connecting dots that don’t need to be connected, but it is rather odd thinking about it now IMO.
Yes, creepy. Makes me wonder if the other guys in the band are so innocent. I mean how could you be in a band together for 25 years and not see this shitty behaviour at least once??
“The women, alongside some of the band’s fans, also chastised the other band members for failing to take an immediate hard stance against Geever publicly or even acknowledge the blind eye they may have turned, as three women claim some of the members were present when Geever brought them on tour, backstage, or on the tour bus as teenagers and young women. “They knew how young everybody was,” Rebecca, who dated a then-25-year-old Geever as a 17-year-old in the late 1990s, claims. “There was a clear boundary that he kept crossing over and over that should have raised flags for everybody.”
It explains a lot about why the rest of the band closed up shop immediately! There was nothing to deny or a case to make or any way to spin it in their favor. Life is complicated and precious, and it can all change and come crashing down in an instant - especially if you are playing with fire!
Hi Dan, Tali Weller here. Thank you for adding your voice in our support. As I navigate owning my story around all this, a nitpicky clarification for you: my name is pronounced like "tally" - just FYI! 😁 Again; I am - we survivors are - so grateful for your support. Thank you.
A real public service you're doing here shining a light on this story Dan. Fingers crossed Kristina's business will take off and this will spark a massive change.
You did a really good job making this video. Not easy content. It’s so heart breaking. If you didn’t find it tough, I’d be concerned. Sending love to you for doing this.
These allegations are nauseating and absolutely abhorrent. As a punk, femininst, a fan of AF, and a mother of a 12 year old daughter, these horrorific stories literally turn my stomach. . I am 40 and have been a punk and AF fan since the late 90s. I have been to multiple shows of theirs in the Buffalo area and have met the band and Justin and I had a 5 minute conversation about my fair dye. I was so thrilled to have HIM having a real conversation with me!!! It was on ofbthe best moments of my life!! I never once felt threatened by him....I am only 4'11" and I was single and had been drinking some, I very easily could have fell victim to him and brought him to my daughter!!! That is so scary!! I'm so glad we only spoke about hair dye and one of my best buddies who is like a brother to me was with me and a huge guy. It makes me so sick to think I was so enamored and star struck with him, I didn't even see or feel any red flags I usually have a excellent creep radar.
Provide proof? For such a long time fan you seem awfully easy in turning on the guy you personally experienced as not a threat. Where is the hard evidence?
@@c.s.7993The Rolling Stones article has photos of him dating the girls he abused back in the 90s, and even letters he wrote them while dating them! You can also easily just confirm the ages of the victims and Justin and compare the age differences. It doesn't look good for him either way.
@@c.s.7993lmao only a weak willed pissant remains cool with people who have numerous allegations of bad abusive behavior against others levied at them. One incident I could see taking with a grain of salt. Numerous incidents, with corroborating evidence? Whether it's a friend of yours or a celebrity you admire, continuing to support that person just makes you an enabler and complicit. Almost on the same level as they are.
No reason to use "hebephile" as a euphemism to make these guys feel a bit better or for there to be more empathy for them and less stigma about what they've done. Neither sexual paraphilia is okay by societal/moral standards, and we consider minors children. I don't think most laypeople are familiar with the compartmentalized definitions for those who are attracted to minors of different age brackets anyway
He did not feel regret for choking her, it’s all part of the grooming. He pushes things, she cries, he apologizes, he pushes things further the next time etc etc. it is straight out of an abuser’s handbook
This is all terrible. Unfortunately spending about 20 years going to punk shows I've heard a lot of bad shit about band members. I cant validate any of them except the ones in the news, but this shit is rampant in the punk rock scene, please do what you can to protect yourselves all.
There will be alot more coming out hopefully it won’t be buried. He has done horrible things with other “pillars“ of the punk rock community. Especially during the warp tour years. Warp tour was full of rape and pedos…..
I'm not sure if you're gonna read this. But I remember in the year two thousand. They had a web page and all their ages were listed at nineteen. Except for number two he wasn't nineteen yet.
I stopped listening to them when the Terror State came out and I thought it was awful. Before that though I thought they were a great band. I certainly did not see this coming.
im disgusted by this because i know anti-flag personally...ive been in the punk and comedy scenes for most of my adult life and it's appalling the amount of pedophile creeps that exist in both arenas...im sorry the victims had become victims by these scumbags...i hope they get justice...
I didn’t need this saga for saying this, but: I truly love Anti-Flag’s songs sung by Chris#2, Turncoat and other Justin’s song are always been ignored by me
I liked the back patch on a jacket that I had from the "for blood and empire" times. I really didn't want to take all the stitches out, so I made a stencil and sprayed "anti-" above "anti-flag". Seemed like an alright option.
I didn't know this. I fell out of the punk scene when I decided to grow up. These people involved in the punk scene as so degnerate, I can't believe I supported these guys.
Anti-Flag should do a cover of Lynyrd Skynyrd "What's Your Name Little Girl". Even if you're a teen, you should have the spidey-sense enough to know that those that virtue signal the hardest and loudest are usually full of it.
'...if you're a teen, you should,' huh? why because the education system and society at large do an excellent job of teaching kids, girls especially, to stand up to grown men, to question perceived authority and adult competance, to believe in their inalienable right to bodily autonomy, to trust their instincts, not to seek validation and approval by men? You are so full of it *eyeroll* why do you lay blame for being abused on young people for being gullible enough to believe the persona of their abuser? *edit is it because you are unable to stomach being complicit in a sick society and/or subculture that allowed this guy's cr*mes against kids to continue for ovr 30 years?
Don't be sorry. If they actually had remorse, theyd have reached out to Kristina and The Punk Rock Therapist to offer their support to the victims. They did nothing of the sort.
I mean....he can go to Ireland all he wants, but this shit is illegal over there too. Dude was a huge rock star and stuck out like a sore thumb, surely somebody will recognize him. People in Ireland are generally drunk and like to fight. He honestly might be safer if he just stays in the US.
Was sickened by this.. CSA survivor and woman. Liked and respected anti flag so much. This hurt..it inspired my grad school essay and I got in. I start tomorrow and want to br a therapist for kids who've experienced trauma and abuse. Kristina is such an inspiration to me.
I literally just heard about this crazy and very despicable situation. So I'm at the present moment 40 yrs of age. When I was in my mid teens (15-16) I had already dived head first down the rabbit hole known as punk rock in the past year and a half. Then I was gifted a mix tape (that statement alone dates me lol) and on said tape was a healthy mix of Propagandhi, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys and this little band from Pittsburgh called Anti Flag. The tracks included were basically all "The Classics" from the "Die For The Government" LP. I was in love instantly with the band. I bought "A New Kind Of Army" when it was released. Those two albums were the soundtrack of my life for the better part of 2 years. Long story short, I kinda wasn't a big fan of some of their future material. But hearing/learning about what a textbook predator he had/has been is not only shocking but inexcusable. My heart goes out to any and everyone that was victimized by him. And good of his former band mates/friends for coming out and essentially breaking and ending all ties to him. I still can't wrap my head around it.
To be clear, BDSM is not the problem here, so if youre personally grossed out by BDSM that doesnt matter bc that is not the part of this that is wrong. Consent is key, and teenagers cant consent to BDSM with adult men. Even age gaps are not the problem here, its the specific ages: an adult man having sex with underage teenage girls who can hardly consent, w the huge difference in personal power dynamics. He chased teenage girls who probably didnt really know what they were getting into and for the most part cant consent to him anyway. If he tied up consenting adult women covered in spit and took calls about the dentist there would be absolutely nothing with that. If teenagers did it to each other there wouldnt be anything wrong with it (hopefully they would be responsible about it). But a grown man using his fame to chase teenagers, taking the virginity of teenage girls, that is the problem, and a lot of it is probably statutory rape.
Just found out about this while looking up 'Turncoat' to share it with a friend, not much to say Given what I've heard of Tim Timebomb, I wonder when he'll get his due, if ever
This might explain the real reason why Andy Flag left the band after the first few years. To my knowledge there was never a statement or reason given for Andy’s departure.
Well if a bunch of women say something is true I guess it must be true. I mean it's not like anyone would have a reason to lie about a famous rock star who wouldn't have to try very hard to get laid. I mean I'm sure there must be some evidence that he broke the law and is on his way to prison right? RIGHT? ha ha ha ha ha
I’m going to be straight forward here. You and I really don’t align on certain subjects (like blink, Travis, etc), but as a victim of sexual assault when I was a kid - this was fucking refreshing and honest and really nice to hear. I’ve dealt with my trauma through the years, though it’s been a hard journey. And anti-flag was such a big part of shaping my political structure growing up (and I just saw them a few months ago), so it was heartbreaking to hear this news. But you broke it down exactly as it needed to be. I’m looked up to Justin and the band and this actually fucked me up on a whole different level. It opened wounds from my own sexual abuse that made me feel so bad for these women.
It bums me out that I was suprised to find your compassionate responce that doesn't downplay how predatory this man is and the severity of his crimes, after searching this topic and finding a bunch of podcast bros doing exactly that- and on with their 'allegations haven't been proven (not as a disclaimer for legality's sake, but as an imperative not to rush to judge this pos) despite the significant witness corroboration and evidence RS found. I just heard about all this yesterday. Thanks for sitting with and not dissasociating from the material, as painful as it is to imagine what these people experienced at the hands of this human predator, as pain as it is allowing yourself to feel. I cried again, watching this, like when I read the RS article yesterday, however I think it was a good thing to reexperience the shock and horror again with company.
Wow didn’t even know ow about this. Used to love the band. Just posted about them on a bass review account so that the guy could check the basslines out. I feel dirty now
I was a huge fan of LostProphets, until I heard about Ian, and the monster he was. Really hard to listen to them and seperate his band mates to this weasel, but I just can't do it. Threw all my LP cd's in the bin.
I have to ask, why is a 19 year old having sex with a 17 year old wrong? I know he was 30, but that's not what you said. You said it was "super dirty" for a 19 year old to have sex with a 17 year old... You made that statement but it's kind of whacky. Him being 30 is a HUGE problem, but you said "a 19 year old and a 17 year old having sex is "super gross." The gross part is that he lied about being 19. Being attracted to a 17 year old is not the definition of pedophilia.
lol I was just randomly searching for some antiflag songs and came across this video. Never would have pegged Justin as a pedo, but sounds legit. Crazy world.
i used to listen to underground network in 2002 or whenever it came out. i remember they came to london ontario and all the punk girls in my school were swooning over him. I can only imagine how many times this happened in over 20 years. Dude is a little weiner and I have to admit his music always seemed phony.
In my experience the more a person express theirs beliefs and tell others how good of a person they are 🚩🚩🚩. And bro you are starting to sound sus yourself.
haha well I was talking about pockets that ran concurrently in the 90s / 00s but you made me laugh with the 80s neoskin sausage party comment. There were still douchebags. It just wasn't as prevalent, thankfully. @@christostefan
hey thanks for watching. www.thepunkrocktherapist.org/
Its always the ones that preach the most
not always, but definitely sometimes. Quiet ones too.
Always an expert full shit contrarian to jump on a smearing campaign bandwagon. 🖕🏽ES&D
His defense will be "you'd do the same! Whoah whoah whoah!!"
Except that was Andy Flag singing and he’s a standup dude who left the band because of issues with Justin
@@theokenric huh. Never knew who was singing on that album. I just remember buying it at the mall and my grandma yelling at me because of the cover.
@@Chrismw81 They both sang on that album. Andy sang on that song though.
@@chesspunk489 well now I know. I am still going with my initial joke, though.
@@Chrismw81 it's a good joke
"Male feminist" is a huge creep imagine my shock
Man of culture.
Bill burr “how many titties did you grab to call yourself a male femimsts” 😂
So if these allegations are true, anti-flag is now a true pop punk act
Pop punk has a sexual assault problem.
Yoooo 💀
Haha!
Booooom!
Real talk.
How could his band mates be in a band with him for so long and now claim they had no idea what was going on?
I always knew they were posers anyway.
He tried it on with my friend's 15-year-old niece. This guy is as straight up as it comes and would not lie to me. I've heard other first-hand accounts too. He is a scumbag.
this is sickening but thanks for covering this...I can see your emotion on this. Left me a bit sick in the stomach and I feel sorry for all the victims involved.
You’re doing awesome work here, Dan. As a victim of SA, I tremendously appreciate the support and compassion you demonstrate ❤
I agree! He talks about it so well and is extremely sensitive and thoughtful with his wording
The punk scene in the 90s always had 30 and 40 y.o. guys in bands hooking up with teenagers in every town. When you're a teenager it just seems weird, then in your 20s it hits you.
The worst part of this is the band pretending like they didn't know anything about it.
I’m a little disappointed that part of the rolling stone article wasn’t brought up
There is no question the band knew he was sex offender. Maybe they didn't know the extent. But they were around him for years!
@@rhysmayes5092 Yeah, there's no way they couldn't have known when most of the Pittsburgh scene were warning young girls to stay away from him.
All scenes
yeah didn't George Casualty was doing the same shit. Til he got Me too!
Turncoat, killer, liar, thief - criminal with protection of the law!
You mean with protection of his bandmates.
That's crazy, it was probably his way of coming out about it. It was talking about himself the whole time
This is incredibly depressing, Anti-flag spoke a message that is true & to see the singer being a hypocritical scumbag is just overwhelming.
I feel sick, mygod.
Good on you for using your platform to shed light on this creep. Hopefully this can be a line in the sand for predators and abusers in the scene
As a SA survivor, this makes me extremely angry. I’m about to get personal right now, but I was SA’d throughout my childhood and r worded at 12, and I cannot believe this piece of crap is not locked up. Man, my heart goes out to these women. It’s a hard thing to deal with. Damn, this triggered me more than I thought. Thank you for talking about this, Dan. This needs to be out there and people need to continue to talk about this because it’s not right. FML, I’m going for walk. Once again, thanks for putting it out there. Bye
♥️♥️ thank you for sharing your story. I can only imagine how crushing that must feel. I am so happy to have you in this community
I’m so sorry. You deserve better. I hope you find peace with much better people in your lives.
Been a victim myself.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you. Sending you all the positive vibes. 💜
I’m sorry to hear this. Sending you love and support
This is how I felt too..for the same reason. Especially as a woman. Kristina said that 60+ women have come forward since and it just makes me sick. It's really affected me. Solidarity and care friend. ❤️
He lied and used his beliefs as an excuse, I feel betrayed
if they were even his beliefs. I always felt they were full of shit, their politics are about as deep as a piss puddle. They are no Propagandhi.
Man, this keeps getting more gross and more depressing. Well Danny Masterson just got life for rape so hopefully Justin isn’t too far behind (plus some extra years for all the shit music he made)
So far he's not being charged with anything.
A seventeen and a nineteen year old hooking up isn't gross that's a normal range. What Justin apparently did however is beyond gross. It's predatory
PA law is within two years, which would be the 17 and 19 thing. I learned that one when my then 16-year-old friend told me his then-girlfriend was 18.
There was a time after an Anti-Flag show in Lancaster, Pa where he just gave off weird vibes when he was talking to a group of women a few years ago.
The loudest voices are often hiding the most
This is just disgusting. Justin Geever is a freaking predator.
I'm still just as shocked about him being the slimy creep that he is today as I was the day I found out about it.
This is makes me sick. He betrayed all of us. I can’t imagine being her and thinking that that night would be the best of her life and then have it end like that. I gotta take my anti flag patches off of everything. I don’t even know who I can feel safe with anymore.
Learn to fight. Trust yourself. Sorry, world sucks ass.
Trust no one but yourself.
Shocked rolling stone published something decent
Lol
How can you preach how he has and do this stuff? Your first video brought be to tears and this is almost too much to handle. I’ve been a fan for over 20 years how fucking fake can someone be? I literally wear my flaws on my sleeve proudly and he’s out there faking it to one of the most thoughtful communities there is. He’s made me lose more faith in the world, but I have faith that there’s genuine people out there like myself and I’ll never cave-in!
Me too,Man ..Fuck Justin Sane..just saw them right before this came out.Using the scene to victimize kids.
It sucks we have to use the saying Seperate the art from the artist. Like. No! This is the shittest realization
#JustinSaneForPrison2023
Anti-Flag joins Lostprophets on the list of bands I CANNOT LISTEN TO ANYMORE.
I suffered SA abuse as a child. It really messed me up for years. I am very glad this is exposed. The people who abused me as a child in my family, are still at large and I’m 40 years old now. It’s important for survivors to spread awareness.
Years ago on the band’s website, I can recall each member being listed as 19 years old, even though they were obviously well older. Does anyone else remember this? I might be connecting dots that don’t need to be connected, but it is rather odd thinking about it now IMO.
Yes, creepy. Makes me wonder if the other guys in the band are so innocent. I mean how could you be in a band together for 25 years and not see this shitty behaviour at least once??
Do you remember what year, or about then that was? I could maybe dig that info up for you to confirm your suspicions.
@@brittislove I wanna say somewhere around 2009-11.
I remember that too, I'd say it was early 2010s.
“The women, alongside some of the band’s fans, also chastised the other band members for failing to take an immediate hard stance against Geever publicly or even acknowledge the blind eye they may have turned, as three women claim some of the members were present when Geever brought them on tour, backstage, or on the tour bus as teenagers and young women. “They knew how young everybody was,” Rebecca, who dated a then-25-year-old Geever as a 17-year-old in the late 1990s, claims. “There was a clear boundary that he kept crossing over and over that should have raised flags for everybody.”
It explains a lot about why the rest of the band closed up shop immediately! There was nothing to deny or a case to make or any way to spin it in their favor. Life is complicated and precious, and it can all change and come crashing down in an instant - especially if you are playing with fire!
Hi Dan, Tali Weller here. Thank you for adding your voice in our support. As I navigate owning my story around all this, a nitpicky clarification for you: my name is pronounced like "tally" - just FYI! 😁 Again; I am - we survivors are - so grateful for your support. Thank you.
Sorry for muspronouncing your name. Oops. Thanks for reaching out. I can't imagine how hard this coming to the surface right. ♥️♥️
❤️❤️❤️ sending you love
No problem! And thank you again. 🙂
@@taliweller2399
I send you love too
Absolutely awful. My heart goes out to all of his victims.
Did the rest of the band not know about this??? Or did they just let it fly until he got caught!? Are they not complicit?
A real public service you're doing here shining a light on this story Dan. Fingers crossed Kristina's business will take off and this will spark a massive change.
Agree!!!
absolutely disgusting, wtf
You did a really good job making this video. Not easy content. It’s so heart breaking. If you didn’t find it tough, I’d be concerned. Sending love to you for doing this.
These allegations are nauseating and absolutely abhorrent. As a punk, femininst, a fan of AF, and a mother of a 12 year old daughter, these horrorific stories literally turn my stomach. .
I am 40 and have been a punk and AF fan since the late 90s. I have been to multiple shows of theirs in the Buffalo area and have met the band and Justin and I had a 5 minute conversation about my fair dye. I was so thrilled to have HIM having a real conversation with me!!! It was on ofbthe best moments of my life!! I never once felt threatened by him....I am only 4'11" and I was single and had been drinking some, I very easily could have fell victim to him and brought him to my daughter!!! That is so scary!! I'm so glad we only spoke about hair dye and one of my best buddies who is like a brother to me was with me and a huge guy.
It makes me so sick to think I was so enamored and star struck with him, I didn't even see or feel any red flags I usually have a excellent creep radar.
Provide proof? For such a long time fan you seem awfully easy in turning on the guy you personally experienced as not a threat. Where is the hard evidence?
@@c.s.7993The Rolling Stones article has photos of him dating the girls he abused back in the 90s, and even letters he wrote them while dating them! You can also easily just confirm the ages of the victims and Justin and compare the age differences. It doesn't look good for him either way.
All these bands are full of shit…
@@c.s.7993lmao only a weak willed pissant remains cool with people who have numerous allegations of bad abusive behavior against others levied at them. One incident I could see taking with a grain of salt. Numerous incidents, with corroborating evidence? Whether it's a friend of yours or a celebrity you admire, continuing to support that person just makes you an enabler and complicit. Almost on the same level as they are.
Is a 19yr old with a 17yr old really super gross?
I’m convinced nobody knows the definition of ‘paedophile’.
No reason to use "hebephile" as a euphemism to make these guys feel a bit better or for there to be more empathy for them and less stigma about what they've done. Neither sexual paraphilia is okay by societal/moral standards, and we consider minors children. I don't think most laypeople are familiar with the compartmentalized definitions for those who are attracted to minors of different age brackets anyway
He did not feel regret for choking her, it’s all part of the grooming. He pushes things, she cries, he apologizes, he pushes things further the next time etc etc. it is straight out of an abuser’s handbook
This is all terrible. Unfortunately spending about 20 years going to punk shows I've heard a lot of bad shit about band members.
I cant validate any of them except the ones in the news, but this shit is rampant in the punk rock scene, please do what you can to protect yourselves all.
There will be alot more coming out hopefully it won’t be buried. He has done horrible things with other “pillars“ of the punk rock community. Especially during the warp tour years. Warp tour was full of rape and pedos…..
I'm not sure if you're gonna read this. But I remember in the year two thousand. They had a web page and all their ages were listed at nineteen. Except for number two he wasn't nineteen yet.
I stopped listening to them when the Terror State came out and I thought it was awful. Before that though I thought they were a great band. I certainly did not see this coming.
@DuvibdDuvusbudhd Finally, somebody else who feels the aame way.
I ALWAYS wanted the broken M-16 logo tattooed on my elbows... THANK GOD I never actually went through with it!
I'm getting mine covered
I got the gunstar on my back when I was 18 back in 2002 as my 1st tattoo. I'm getting it covered ASAP.
Dude, I thought about getting it the other day, bc I didn't know ANY of this.
Amazinf that you showed where we can go to talk to someone if we need to. Thank you, Dan. This is a solid piece, too.
I bet Justin would be good friends with Ian Watkins
im disgusted by this because i know anti-flag personally...ive been in the punk and comedy scenes for most of my adult life and it's appalling the amount of pedophile creeps that exist in both arenas...im sorry the victims had become victims by these scumbags...i hope they get justice...
I didn’t need this saga for saying this, but: I truly love Anti-Flag’s songs sung by Chris#2, Turncoat and other Justin’s song are always been ignored by me
I liked the back patch on a jacket that I had from the "for blood and empire" times. I really didn't want to take all the stitches out, so I made a stencil and sprayed "anti-" above "anti-flag". Seemed like an alright option.
I loved this band. When I was I kid. You know what they say. Never meet your heroes.
His predaters acting has nothing in common with Punk feelings
Imagine the stories from that tour they did with Aiden. Yikes.
I didn't know this. I fell out of the punk scene when I decided to grow up. These people involved in the punk scene as so degnerate, I can't believe I supported these guys.
Most dudes who claim “feminist” are suspect to me. Js.
I feel you... I clicked because I thought I wanted to hate anti flag more but I can't listen to all this
Anti-Flag should do a cover of Lynyrd Skynyrd "What's Your Name Little Girl". Even if you're a teen, you should have the spidey-sense enough to know that those that virtue signal the hardest and loudest are usually full of it.
'...if you're a teen, you should,' huh? why because the education system and society at large do an excellent job of teaching kids, girls especially, to stand up to grown men, to question perceived authority and adult competance, to believe in their inalienable right to bodily autonomy, to trust their instincts, not to seek validation and approval by men? You are so full of it *eyeroll*
why do you lay blame for being abused on young people for being gullible enough to believe the persona of their abuser?
*edit is it because you are unable to stomach being complicit in a sick society and/or subculture that allowed this guy's cr*mes against kids to continue for ovr 30 years?
WOOOOODCHIPPPPPPERRRR!
I'm having a real hard time buying the innocence of the other 3 band members in terms of them being oblivious to his crimes. Sorry.
Don't be sorry. If they actually had remorse, theyd have reached out to Kristina and The Punk Rock Therapist to offer their support to the victims. They did nothing of the sort.
damn warped tour has a lot of r4pe vi0lence and 0verd0ses history
Pop punk has a pedo problem
I mean....he can go to Ireland all he wants, but this shit is illegal over there too. Dude was a huge rock star and stuck out like a sore thumb, surely somebody will recognize him. People in Ireland are generally drunk and like to fight. He honestly might be safer if he just stays in the US.
YIPPEEE ANOTHER DAN FRAMPTON VIDEO🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞
1 trillion dollars wont get you out of this shit
Was sickened by this.. CSA survivor and woman. Liked and respected anti flag so much. This hurt..it inspired my grad school essay and I got in. I start tomorrow and want to br a therapist for kids who've experienced trauma and abuse. Kristina is such an inspiration to me.
I literally just heard about this crazy and very despicable situation. So I'm at the present moment 40 yrs of age. When I was in my mid teens (15-16) I had already dived head first down the rabbit hole known as punk rock in the past year and a half. Then I was gifted a mix tape (that statement alone dates me lol) and on said tape was a healthy mix of Propagandhi, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys and this little band from Pittsburgh called Anti Flag. The tracks included were basically all "The Classics" from the "Die For The Government" LP. I was in love instantly with the band. I bought "A New Kind Of Army" when it was released. Those two albums were the soundtrack of my life for the better part of 2 years. Long story short, I kinda wasn't a big fan of some of their future material. But hearing/learning about what a textbook predator he had/has been is not only shocking but inexcusable. My heart goes out to any and everyone that was victimized by him. And good of his former band mates/friends for coming out and essentially breaking and ending all ties to him. I still can't wrap my head around it.
To be clear, BDSM is not the problem here, so if youre personally grossed out by BDSM that doesnt matter bc that is not the part of this that is wrong. Consent is key, and teenagers cant consent to BDSM with adult men. Even age gaps are not the problem here, its the specific ages: an adult man having sex with underage teenage girls who can hardly consent, w the huge difference in personal power dynamics. He chased teenage girls who probably didnt really know what they were getting into and for the most part cant consent to him anyway.
If he tied up consenting adult women covered in spit and took calls about the dentist there would be absolutely nothing with that. If teenagers did it to each other there wouldnt be anything wrong with it (hopefully they would be responsible about it). But a grown man using his fame to chase teenagers, taking the virginity of teenage girls, that is the problem, and a lot of it is probably statutory rape.
8:35 I was there 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Just found out about this while looking up 'Turncoat' to share it with a friend, not much to say
Given what I've heard of Tim Timebomb, I wonder when he'll get his due, if ever
This might explain the real reason why Andy Flag left the band after the first few years. To my knowledge there was never a statement or reason given for Andy’s departure.
Yikes, that skeleton assaulting women. And there’s no way the other guys in the band didn’t already know. Gross
Well if a bunch of women say something is true I guess it must be true. I mean it's not like anyone would have a reason to lie about a famous rock star who wouldn't have to try very hard to get laid. I mean I'm sure there must be some evidence that he broke the law and is on his way to prison right? RIGHT? ha ha ha ha ha
I’m going to be straight forward here. You and I really don’t align on certain subjects (like blink, Travis, etc), but as a victim of sexual assault when I was a kid - this was fucking refreshing and honest and really nice to hear. I’ve dealt with my trauma through the years, though it’s been a hard journey. And anti-flag was such a big part of shaping my political structure growing up (and I just saw them a few months ago), so it was heartbreaking to hear this news. But you broke it down exactly as it needed to be. I’m looked up to Justin and the band and this actually fucked me up on a whole different level. It opened wounds from my own sexual abuse that made me feel so bad for these women.
God it's Stza Crack all over again (just a scumbag in a different way but a scumbag nonetheless)
I know he can't show his face in any scene anywhere without getting dropped. You can bet that. Beef up the security detail, Justin.
Much love thank you for the content
Also, how the fuck did the band not know? I call bullshit.
It bums me out that I was suprised to find your compassionate responce that doesn't downplay how predatory this man is and the severity of his crimes, after searching this topic and finding a bunch of podcast bros doing exactly that- and on with their 'allegations haven't been proven (not as a disclaimer for legality's sake, but as an imperative not to rush to judge this pos) despite the significant witness corroboration and evidence RS found.
I just heard about all this yesterday.
Thanks for sitting with and not dissasociating from the material, as painful as it is to imagine what these people experienced at the hands of this human predator, as pain as it is allowing yourself to feel. I cried again, watching this, like when I read the RS article yesterday, however I think it was a good thing to reexperience the shock and horror again with company.
Thank you!
Thank you for being a decent human, not many of those around these days.
He was the second bassist in a7x
Wow didn’t even know ow about this. Used to love the band. Just posted about them on a bass review account so that the guy could check the basslines out. I feel dirty now
Chomo as they say in prison. It’s not going to go well for him in prison.
Never liked them, and second "All ages shows" definitely should not be for these shows.
Great video Dan! Very nice of you to share these stories and give support to the victims
Squatter life forever!!! Up the PUNX!!!
I was a huge fan of LostProphets, until I heard about Ian, and the monster he was. Really hard to listen to them and seperate his band mates to this weasel, but I just can't do it. Threw all my LP cd's in the bin.
I have to ask, why is a 19 year old having sex with a 17 year old wrong? I know he was 30, but that's not what you said. You said it was "super dirty" for a 19 year old to have sex with a 17 year old... You made that statement but it's kind of whacky. Him being 30 is a HUGE problem, but you said "a 19 year old and a 17 year old having sex is "super gross."
The gross part is that he lied about being 19. Being attracted to a 17 year old is not the definition of pedophilia.
Ok
Me googling "spreader bar"... 😮
I have no idea what it is and I am not sure if I want to know.
I just had to google. Wtf, gross.
I hope that’s his nickname in jail
❤❤❤ hearts instead of pancakes for all the SA survivors ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
What’s your opinion on Jesse Lacey from brand new maybe a video
Probably not very positive
Oh no…. What? I haven’t haven’t heard of this! I used to love Brand New
A month or two after Brand New dropped Science Fiction, someone came on record and said Jesse Lacey groomed them around the early 2000s.
Wait so your telling me Punk Rock The Rapist is who I talk to.
lol I was just randomly searching for some antiflag songs and came across this video. Never would have pegged Justin as a pedo, but sounds legit. Crazy world.
So when are we giving him his boot party?
Dan frampton the typa guy to use the turkey Tom thumbnail on the anti-flag scandal
I’m glad you brought up Ian Watkins.
i used to listen to underground network in 2002 or whenever it came out. i remember they came to london ontario and all the punk girls in my school were swooning over him. I can only imagine how many times this happened in over 20 years. Dude is a little weiner and I have to admit his music always seemed phony.
In my experience the more a person express theirs beliefs and tell others how good of a person they are 🚩🚩🚩. And bro you are starting to sound sus yourself.
I'm a self admitted sh1t disturber, I'm hardly virtue signaling. Stories like the ones in this video need to be told without the trolly attitude.
Grew up listening to punk music never liked AF particularly Justin
Nothing new. Punk bands are even more notorious than hair metal for taking teens outback.
I always felt that bro'd out post 00 scene was more hair metal, groupie / rockstar mentality than the punk scene I was a part of.
I'm sure your scene was fine.
I mean punk mba says the neoskin sausage parties we delt with in the '80s were super inclusive and never even happened.
You're making a good point though.
haha well I was talking about pockets that ran concurrently in the 90s / 00s but you made me laugh with the 80s neoskin sausage party comment. There were still douchebags. It just wasn't as prevalent, thankfully. @@christostefan
Welllll fuck... their music was good too 😔😔😔
Yiiiiiikes can’t believe I just found this.
Justin insane