Using MATH to Rank Every Track in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

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  • @SuperFX64
    @SuperFX64 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +159

    Oh look at Roy he’s on world record pace he’s gonna go to the stairs

    • @460u57
      @460u57 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      *Stairs being stairs*

    • @coconut_tv0564
      @coconut_tv0564 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *instantly cooks it*

    • @SableyeMK
      @SableyeMK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi SuperFX

    • @Latias38
      @Latias38 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I understand the meaning of this solely by the vid...im just wondering where the original clip/voiceline is from?

    • @italic177
      @italic177 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Latias38the guy you're replying to said it

  • @nitthenat5519
    @nitthenat5519 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    The L1am call out for Toad Circuit was a godly touch, great job on the vid

    • @awoken917
      @awoken917  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      had to shout out the best content creator in the scene rn. RIGHTLADS_8DX

  • @SydneyIsSleepy
    @SydneyIsSleepy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    it's really interesting seeing the huge difference between casual and competitive opinions on the tracks in this game! i could never imagine sinking as much time into this game as yall do for some of these opinions to matter to me - electrodrome for example, i think the 200cc shortcut is one of the coolest shortcuts in any mk game, but if i had to sink as much time into it as yall do then i would absolutely go insane and start hating it same as you, but that difference in perspective made this an interesting watch! you did bring up one thing that majorly swayed my opinion on a track though:
    yea squeaky clean sprint absolutely has the best course icon 10/10

  • @Bluebatstar
    @Bluebatstar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    While I disagree with a bunch of placements, this list is actually different then the majority of lists where you know what's going where going in, prolly due to you playing competitive, and it's great. Plus it reflects my own personal opinion more then the majority of lists too. Just being able to see something other then 3DS Rainbow Road in #1 is so refreshing. Plus thank you for giving the cities the respect they deserve, those tracks are so dang overhated. Plus, your validation for every track with your opinions make me respect even the picks I disagree with.
    Also shoutouts for giving Alpine Pass the hate it deserves!

    • @amesstarline5482
      @amesstarline5482 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Likewise with Wah Pinball's adaptation- It doesn't add anything, and it didn't even get a unique remix. I like the concept, but it isn't much better.

    • @Sam-tl4ho
      @Sam-tl4ho 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont think this ranking have something with competitive, is just that people have differents opinions

    • @Bluebatstar
      @Bluebatstar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sam-tl4ho I'm pretty sure being competitive does change someone's ranking, since you just have a different perspective on the game as a whole.

    • @Sam-tl4ho
      @Sam-tl4ho 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bluebatstar yeah but there are some people that play competitive and still have different rankings

    • @Bluebatstar
      @Bluebatstar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sam-tl4ho I absolutely know that, I never said that. I just said that because they played competitive they'd have different rankings from most people, since most people play casually.

  • @3UP_MK8
    @3UP_MK8 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    13:46 :)
    There are quite a few placements in this list that I disagree with, but I respect your opinions on them. Was still entertaining to hear your thoughts on all the tracks regardless! It's refreshing to hear opinions from someone that plays all modes competitively.

  • @DE23
    @DE23 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    its always fun seeing competitive players talk about a game i play casually cause its not like im completely lost but i dont fully understand either

  • @calebjp8904
    @calebjp8904 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    While I have completely different placements basically across the board, I respect the focus on competitive play for this list, since my placements are purely how much I enjoy them casually, so naturally it will be very different. Great video!

  • @SnortleNose
    @SnortleNose 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's been really great to see more familiar comp players kicking off their MK YT careers. Loved the vid, mate, keep up the great work

  • @OrangeToadGamer
    @OrangeToadGamer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The thing I like about your list compared to others is how you incorporate how fun the track is to play online along with music and visuals
    *like I definitely agree with N64 Rainbow Road's placement if you start in the back or get hit once your race is just over, which is so frustrating, but to everyone else it's just seen as "the Rainbow Road from my childhood therefore its one of the best"*

  • @ugxsan
    @ugxsan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Finally MK8 Rainbow Road gets some love. Everyone always complains about the space station aesthetic and I'm just saying that makes it stand out. It's the only RR like that! And I may be a filthy casual but I still have a lot of fun driving on it. :B

  • @DBogie
    @DBogie 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Putting RRW at #80 and RRU at #2 along with bTB at #11 is so incredibly based

    • @ashtonb561
      @ashtonb561 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      bTB is so underrated man

    • @CoolyuonhMC
      @CoolyuonhMC 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know, right?

    • @Seeathecat
      @Seeathecat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that RRW is only really good in the original version, it may just be nostalgia but I believe that the original RRW is the best track ever made in Mario Kart.

  • @l1ammk
    @l1ammk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    8:12 no
    but everything you said after i completely agree with

  • @autismandgaming4532
    @autismandgaming4532 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Alpine pass is just straight up Alpine A$$", I much prefer the NTSC name, but that was too good

  • @NicoDoesStufff
    @NicoDoesStufff 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    18:18 "Man, shut yo-" *Wii Daisy circuit intensifies*

  • @el_polloloco6247
    @el_polloloco6247 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Till this day, it boggles my mind that they added Toad Curcuit 3DS like Seriously WHO ASKED FOR THAT BASIC ASS TRACK?!?!?!?!?

    • @vincentpham991
      @vincentpham991 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah ikr? It’s by far the worst track

  • @samuelthecamel
    @samuelthecamel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You rated the SNES Rainbow Road music a 1? I'm calling the police

  • @Glob70
    @Glob70 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Although most people wouldn’t agree, as an MKDD time trialer, I love seeing a ranking based from a competitive player’s point of view.

  • @xdimmortal
    @xdimmortal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    “ALPINE ASS” MY FUCKING GOAT AWOKEN

  • @stallionsLP
    @stallionsLP 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I once heard someone a year or so back say this about Ninja Hideaway: "It's basically as if someone made a MKWii CTGP track, Nintendo found it and then polished it to be in HD definition". And I'd say that is about as fitting/great a thing as you could ever say about that track.

  • @MattMovies599
    @MattMovies599 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    finally, someone understands how crap Rock Rock Mountain is

  • @quagstar
    @quagstar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Wii U Rainbow Road in top 3 is extremely based. Everyone seems to absolutely despise it but it's my favourite track in the game lol. My go to "idk what to pick for these spots" lounge pick

    • @FirstToad
      @FirstToad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even though Wii U Rainbow Road definitely isn’t Top 3 for me, I agree with it being extremely underrated. It’s like A tier for me

    • @Latias38
      @Latias38 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FirstToad A tier? Nah man at least give it S, tracks fire.

    • @CoolyuonhMC
      @CoolyuonhMC 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SNES RR bottom 3 is the most based opinion of all time

  • @thomassmiththekingbee
    @thomassmiththekingbee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved this video and I was so impressed you managed to fit 96 tracks into 27 minutes! I love the gameplay of each track, your opinion and the background music. 10/10 video. Also, as someone who hasn't seen most of these tracks, it was really cool to see all of them for the first time!

  • @Captain_Ravioli7321
    @Captain_Ravioli7321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm in an Esports club at my school and I do Mario Kart Time Trials, and playing Electrodrome 150cc made me wanna jump off a building. Luckily, Rainbow Road was the very next track I had to play so I am still sane.

  • @Blueazuureee
    @Blueazuureee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    24:37 needed a trigger warning for that jumpscare 💀

  • @a-sane-person
    @a-sane-person 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why are half of these hot takes?

  • @berda7370
    @berda7370 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    18:28 I started that 💀💀

  • @Kalliemoment
    @Kalliemoment 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Varmint is cool but, the City Tripper is so cute with certain characters

  • @deltamk8576
    @deltamk8576 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    based 8bow enjoyer

  • @De_an
    @De_an 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Calling 200cc DK Jungle the most "booster course pass" track in the base is such a harsh insult, but I cannot argue against it.

  • @kiyubee1925
    @kiyubee1925 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I dont know why Iron Jugulis is just vibing out during Sweet Sweet Canyon
    But I like it :3

  • @freekmol7965
    @freekmol7965 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Love your ranking!

  • @Magic_Ice
    @Magic_Ice 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i never seen a list that I 100% disagree with that I also love a lot. This is how my friends who only like normal Pokémon hear me when I talk about competitive Pokémon memes huh.

  • @DJS38
    @DJS38 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow I love how different this is to most peoples

  • @ShyGal3
    @ShyGal3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's definitely an interesting list and the most unique way of ranking the tracks I've seen.
    I only now discovered your channel, and I love it!

  • @pinzap
    @pinzap 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a definite casual player, I found this video really interesting as I don’t see many rankings from a competitive standpoint.
    For example, I am a Wii Rainbow Road fan but I understand how it might not work in a competitive field, and that’s cool!
    Tho 3DS Rainbow Road being 6th still makes me unreasonably happy-

  • @polyplayer
    @polyplayer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i never saw how wii rainbow road was buggy in this game except for i guess the shortcuts that were unintended, but other than that there are tracks that are way more buggy, but thats your opinion and i respect that

  • @Frandy1234
    @Frandy1234 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Am I the only one questioning why there was an Iron Jugulis flying on screen during the sweet sweet canyon segment?

  • @pianist1562
    @pianist1562 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video! Very interesting takes (not to say I agree with all of them lol), and great insights. One question - you say learning rMMM 200cc was some of your favorite memories in the game... but you rated it 1/10 for 200cc TT??? Was it fun *despite* the track? Or is there a typo/Stockholm syndrome somewhere in there?
    also hey it's me at 8:44 that's pretty rad

    • @awoken917
      @awoken917  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the memories came from improving my time and getting my first bits of recognition from doing so, NOT actually playing the track

    • @pianist1562
      @pianist1562 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@awoken917 Makes sense lol, thanks

  • @SewerThing23
    @SewerThing23 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “I think this is my first real hot take” says the guy who literally just put Excitebike Arena two entries earlier.

    • @Melecie
      @Melecie 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      excitebike is probably the second most split track in the game after baby park, i don't see as strong of an opinion on it usually as most just say "yeah it exists it's good" for those who do not dislike it
      meanwhile i feel the real hot take here is having wii rainbow road, which is very often a contender for best track ever (and if not, usually upper 25%), at 80th in the bottom 25%. both pinball and excitebike are cold compared to that, especially since pinball is already getting lots of "pinball overrated and mid" pushback

  • @xthriteenx
    @xthriteenx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This list made me scream a lot less then most people’s you don’t hate bone dry dunes and have no real reason for it (yes it’s not the best track but it gets to much hate) you put baby park down in the dumps and you call Wii rainbow road and waluigi pinball overrated I agree with this stuff, so thank you oh and you don’t have bias towards other Wii tracks, thank you

  • @luxxias
    @luxxias 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    disagreed with a lot of the picks, good video (i'm a filthy casual)

  • @danielle_6
    @danielle_6 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You're making great MK8D content Awoken
    Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺🇺🇸

  • @name6770
    @name6770 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    15:45 mine was pokemon sword and shield LMAO

  • @PlunkyVT
    @PlunkyVT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    22:12 >:)

  • @martinlion1906
    @martinlion1906 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If Hot takes could increase the heat around you, this guy would be the fucking sun

  • @Supaluka_77
    @Supaluka_77 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My beloved alpine pass 😢

  • @2BoogerFace
    @2BoogerFace 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Started the list off rough with the Rock Rock Mountain, Baby Park, Excitebike Arena, and SNES Rainbow Road, but the made up for it later on. I respect you.

  • @CesarCheeser08
    @CesarCheeser08 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    26:04 i legitimately popped off at this placement. This course is genuinely my favorite in the entire series

  • @Pabl0Sanch3z609
    @Pabl0Sanch3z609 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    bro was a lil too harsh 💀

  • @spiritolaminato654
    @spiritolaminato654 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this list purely because Wii RR is so low, I finally found someone who does not get the hype behind this track

  • @potatojuiceultra
    @potatojuiceultra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is a good list, I like how you put Wii U Rainbow Road so high because it is definitely the most underrated track in the game.
    BUT THERE IS NO WAY YOU GAVE THE DONUT PLAINS MUSIC A 0.5

    • @SweetMelaninn
      @SweetMelaninn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not high. It's at 80..

    • @damayne.8397
      @damayne.8397 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ⁠@@SweetMelaninn #80 is Wii Rainbow Road. Not Wii U Rainbow Road

    • @SweetMelaninn
      @SweetMelaninn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@damayne.8397 Sir?

    • @SweetMelaninn
      @SweetMelaninn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@damayne.8397 WII RAINBOW ROAD ISNT BAD

    • @CoolyuonhMC
      @CoolyuonhMC 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SweetMelaninnhe put Wii RR at 80 and WiiU RR at 2

  • @simongamer987
    @simongamer987 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this game and I love data analysis. This video is perfect. Subscribed

  • @tefhypr2
    @tefhypr2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i feel acomplished that i could drive dNBC with roy biddy back in wave 1, now that we meta slave yoshi its a lot less rewarding

  • @mattpatt4976
    @mattpatt4976 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "I think this is my first real hot take" after putting snes rainbow road practically last

  • @ZonX24
    @ZonX24 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    bro your so underrated. I love you content!

  • @Lucky79_
    @Lucky79_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nah i'm 5 mins into the video and I already wanna Bomb Awoken's House 😭
    Wii Rainbow Road is my Fav track BY FAR, i can't stop picking it and playing it, if Nostalgia Glasses are doing this to me then i'll gladly keep them on, never had so much fun in MK8DX before.
    Also 5 as music to Yoshi Circuit is WILD
    Edit: Just finished the video now, very fun video, even though i disagree with like 70% of the placements and still kinda want to bomb yo house

    • @tefhypr2
      @tefhypr2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      dont bomb her house :3

  • @HollowPass
    @HollowPass 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    how many people got triggered by this video

  • @Wood22
    @Wood22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    well SKaR is gonna be happy with that rank 1, nice vid!

  • @cpcantimark
    @cpcantimark หลายเดือนก่อน

    look i get that everyone gets their own opinion
    but i still cannot believe toad circuit is above riverside park, yoshi circuit, wii rainbow road, AND waluigi pinball (i don't even really like pinball that much btw 😭)

  • @Captain_Ravioli7321
    @Captain_Ravioli7321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    24:37 i fucking cackled

  • @dh3913
    @dh3913 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh…. I love DKJ on 200, might even be my #1 favorite track. Did not realize top 200 players aren’t fans

  • @WoogaChan
    @WoogaChan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    TRANS RIGHTS!

  • @onyxify
    @onyxify 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    to me, the most disagreeable list ive ever seen, but its your list and not my list so who cares

    • @Peachmain1
      @Peachmain1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m only mad about the wii rainbow road he’s a hater

  • @Highschool_Hangout
    @Highschool_Hangout 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Who, in this actual universe, would put Tokyo Blur, RIGHT AFTER MADRID

  • @spl15
    @spl15 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i came to this video from technicals video (he shoutouted you) and this video does not dissapoint

  • @TaleOfTheToaster
    @TaleOfTheToaster 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    DING

    • @TaleOfTheToaster
      @TaleOfTheToaster 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool number one honestly, I'm not a comp player so parts of this order felt pretty much randomly generated to a casual enjoyer, with the high Tour placements vs low fan favs like Waluigi Mall, but pop off queen

  • @X4NOXYT
    @X4NOXYT หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Who came here from technical's video?

    • @wyatt16
      @wyatt16 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🙋‍♂️

    • @vincentpham991
      @vincentpham991 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Here

  • @retrojupiterr
    @retrojupiterr 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this video is actually so good??

  • @darker2_4
    @darker2_4 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    13:07
    Yoshi island is 10 not 5'61, is objectively the best track in the game and this isnt my opinion, is the truth

  • @user-cz6uk8ss4w
    @user-cz6uk8ss4w 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I disagree with so many things on this list but seeing that we have the same top two makes up for it.
    My top two are also Ninja Hideaway and MK8 Rainbow Road.

  • @xthriteenx
    @xthriteenx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ima rank all the track icons!

  • @diegoalejandroelizaldemarq6621
    @diegoalejandroelizaldemarq6621 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the most hot take list I've seen, but it's what I liked about it...
    Still, I don't share those opinions at all, I mean, 8's Rainbow Road is NOT THAT GOOD...
    Still, very interesting vid 🐴👍

  • @leoyakafudy
    @leoyakafudy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i was writing a comment about athens dash but the dream joke shocked me so much i forgot,,

  • @johnj3754
    @johnj3754 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:17 i also despise that track

  • @micahing2460
    @micahing2460 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flamin Hot Mt Dew joke was underrated xD

  • @otfMessi
    @otfMessi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excite bike music goes hard but playing it in any engine class or any game mode is absolutely horrendous

  • @FalB27
    @FalB27 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Is this high enough for you Liam?" :sob:

  • @eskimopython2807
    @eskimopython2807 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You called Rock Rock Mountain, Alpine Pass; for that I will never forgive you; valid placement though even if it’s my favorite track ever

  • @KidMoe7735
    @KidMoe7735 หลายเดือนก่อน

    as a casual player, i hate this list
    good video :)

  • @ade1174
    @ade1174 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As someone who thinks Water Park is the weakest 8 nitro, thanks for giving me a new perspective on that track.

  • @JDash508
    @JDash508 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @18:13 i didnt know i was in the video 😂

  • @plantyh
    @plantyh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just started the video so here is some support for the algorithm

  • @awwwman8956
    @awwwman8956 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rock Rock Mountain is the 96th worst track in this game. Not even close!

  • @PenguinGuy-iq4ze
    @PenguinGuy-iq4ze 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yo boo lake my favorite gba track number 5 yes sir and yes banger music ❤🔥

  • @spyrosh3933
    @spyrosh3933 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    18:13

  • @glitchyaceofficial
    @glitchyaceofficial หลายเดือนก่อน

    there is no way snes mario circuit 3 looks better than dry dry desert

  • @LiamAshworth-ym3gb
    @LiamAshworth-ym3gb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Opinion: tick tock is underated

  • @karenbailey-pb3ly
    @karenbailey-pb3ly 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m happy that this guy gave waluigi pinball the hate it truly deserves.

  • @drago252
    @drago252 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was gonna question you about putting the most fall off rainbow road there is so high, but putting the best wario course at number 1 saved you

  • @ZaeMKT
    @ZaeMKT 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No way new york is like 85 for me

  • @AntiAntiVaxxer2008
    @AntiAntiVaxxer2008 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    toad circuit above wii rr is criminal 😭

  • @Snsy
    @Snsy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ninja Hideaway being #1 should be a staple in every tier list.

  • @swagnoiceswag
    @swagnoiceswag 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im thankful for the new awoken video

  • @laggianput
    @laggianput 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Based egg??

  • @PabjoXD
    @PabjoXD 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love your channel so much

  • @bimagamongmop419
    @bimagamongmop419 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't really understand the rating process

  • @boirnoboiovanna1130
    @boirnoboiovanna1130 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fellow trans person found sub earned

  • @osberswgaming
    @osberswgaming 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hideaway is an absolute joke of a track 😭

  • @seasonally.
    @seasonally. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    unibros influenced #2

    • @awoken917
      @awoken917  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they literally didnt it was already my #1 when i was on battle brigade

    • @seasonally.
      @seasonally. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      my opinion cannot be wavered!@@awoken917

  • @michaelbs-my3fm
    @michaelbs-my3fm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dont get how you said 6v6 is 3,Timetrials is 2 etc. like wtf you mean "3" XD

    • @michaelbs-my3fm
      @michaelbs-my3fm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is that your opinion?