How to remove a cast iron lead joint (Revised/Re-edited)
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- Yes, this is time consuming. This is useful when cutting out fittings is not an option. In this video we are demonstrating how to remove a cast iron lead joint. Since we have been getting better at TH-cam we decided to remake the old cast iron lead joint removal video, both parts are now one video also with the minimum amount of footage removed. Also check out the new revised version of our drowned water heater video link will be down below as well as in the end screen. Please leave a comment and will answer any questions you have, Thank you!
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Bro. Thanks for cutting the part of the video we all came here for...
Love these dudes that go through the trouble to film and upload a procedure and then skip the hardest part of the procedure. Hello!!! That's the part we struggle with! LOL
A trick to make it extremely easy to get the new PVC piece into the rubber donut is to cut a notch into the pipe about an inch wide and an inch deep and bevel the inside edge of the notch slightly. Can all be done with just a sawzall. Put the pipe in the donut with the notch facing up and it'll slide right in every time. Once the notch is fully in the donut, it'll snug up and you can smack it in with a hammer from there as usual, the notch just helps get it started. That was a trick I learned rather recently from a fellow old-school master plumber. I used to do it just like this and bevel the whole outer edge and lube the hell out of it but the notch makes it so much easier. Don't even need lube or anything.
I’ll definitely give that a try. I was blessed to be taught by a couple older plumbers close to retirement who were way past the “he’s gonna take my job” to dumping as much knowledge in my head they could. Sent me home with a headache most days!! Thanks for the tip!
so no concerns about this separating? I know drains aren't under any great pressure, just surprised there's no clamp or cement to replace the lead.
@@phantom12321800 There is a steel clamp that goes over the rubber that tightens with a couple of hose clamps.
Cut a notch in the steel?
@@michaelrothman4602 No, the new PVC pipe
After 5 and 1/2 minutes of drilling you skip over actually taking the old piece out???
This comment saved me 4.5 mins.
Best believe that was done on purpose!
Would a propane soldering torch soften up the lead, just enough heat to pull out iron sleeve?
they edited the best part
They didn't want to show the part where they had to put the torch on it for another hour either that or they drilled holes for another hour and a half
Thanks. This gives me an idea of what my plumbers will be doing - digging up my basement floor, and replacing 10' of sewer pipe from the kitchen lateral pipe - or maybe replacing all 65 feet in the basement floor, depending on what they find - and then repaving the floor.
Thank you. This video saved me. Had to change my main sewer pipe and the connection at the road had no cast iron pipe to attach to, only the joint itself. Worked perfectly.
Awesome job guys this was soo !informative and helpful keep up the good work, this will help me to complete a basement shower/bathroom remodeling project thanks for the information 👍
Thank you so much, that tricked saved me a lot of headaches. You’re the man!
I wonder if a 4 1/8” hole saw would work too ?!
Your the man!! Just the video I needed …
Thank you thank you thank you....I just had the same problem with the liquid lead added round the pipe.... Yes easy to remove... Thanks to you buddy
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Red Beard...we’re quite the beard fans around here as well!! Thanks for the thumbs up. Unfortunately this channel got terminated so all we can do is comment. Please check our our new channel we’re all these videos are duplicated and we’re still uploading new ones!!
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finally a real plumber.
Thank you. This will be helpful to me
Use a carbon toothed hole saw bit next time. It will shred right through the lead. Diablo, lennox and Spyder make good ones
Jack’s I’ll give that a try next time.
@Caleb Ahmir Yes it took some time and not right for every situation but worked great for this particular job. If you like this sort of thing visit our new channel where we’re still making videos. This channel was terminated by TH-cam without warning so all we can do is respond to comments. This is a link to our latest video. th-cam.com/video/xhpnCem6fkM/w-d-xo.html
Educational and impressive. Was that live or was that memorex?
I love it
Your going through that much trouble. Cut out the San tee on its back and replace with new comby. Looks like you had a ton of room to cut from top and band onto and same on other side??
Just Curious, Can you just heat the lead solder joint up real hot and twist the old piece out? I can do it on copper joints.
Your going to be there a long time and you have to keep scraping the lead with a screwdriver to keep it shiny so it will melt better I'd suggest using using the drill like he did and then if you have to torch it go ahead but if you haven't experienced it burning okum is horrible
Maybe im way off but i would have replaced that whole cast iron T connection, cut the top and sides. Might have actually been less work and it resolves future issues.
Screw that drill, picking screwdriver,ballpeen and a big tip on acytaline torch. Philly style
People think its bip- bop in ; not I had to fabricate this to fit and thats why it was 750- or whatever
Another way to remove the joint is to use a torch melt out the lead then wiggle the pipe out of the hub
Just asking, but would it not have been easier to slide the rubber flange on the 5 " PVC piece first and then slide them onto the cast iron piping?
Great question Rick…That actually won’t work because if you put the gasket on the 4” pvc first it actually expands it too much to fit into the cast iron hub. If you put it into the cast iron hub then push the PVC in then the ribs on the inside and outside of the gasket compress both inwardly and outwardly sealing against both surfaces. By the way this channel was terminated by TH-cam only allowing us to respond to comments but we’re still making videos on our new channel here th-cam.com/video/Db2lOKs6e2o/w-d-xo.html
Perfect good worck
Above ground you're not suppose to use gaskets specially those flimsy home Depot ones you're suppose to lead in a PVC soil adapter and it would have been faster if you would have just melted the lead out
Thank you worked great
My experience with cast is remove it all. Any repair is only delaying the inevitable as it's all just as rotten as the piece you are replacing. Not seeing it doesn't mean it's not there. Cast rots from inside .
That’s true but some customers (actually a lot) don’t want to spend the money or can’t afford to just replace it so we end up doing this kinda thing. This particular job was a duplex. Landlord in general are especially reluctant to fix it completely, they alway want the cheapest way out.
You must be made of money.
Im trying to remove a 1.5 galvanized pipe thats jointed to a cast iron elbow, at first i thought it was just
threaded, but as i tried spinning it off its just keeps spinning, and it spins freely both directions. Is your video demonstration the thing im dealing with?
Johnny it’s very likely that that the galvanized is leaded in just like the joint we did in the video. That was common practice in our areas (NC) at least. If it’s 1-1/2 in a 2” hub you can probably use a larger diameter bit than a 1/4” like we used in the video. Good luck!
@@plumb4uplusmorellc533 you are absolutely correct. I ended up doing as you did in the video, drilling and using the gasket donut,
what a bitch it was for me, the hub was next to a foundation riser, drilling at an angle while keeping my wrist straight so that the bit went in straight, last thing i wanted was to damage the wall of the hub.
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if its held together with lead why not just heat it up with map gas torch?
Hi! What lube did you use?
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What a pain on the behind, but it seems that it is the way 😜. 👍👍
Use your four and three-quarter inch hole saw and cut the lead right out., you’re welcome
Are fernco donuts up to code
They don't even teach the kids that in school anymore
Why not cut out the iron tee and replace with a $30 fernco tee?
I absolutely hate these donut gaskets, pain in my ass, I would rather stub the cast if the lead is still good and then use a proflex/mission band or a no hub depending on what I'm coming off with.
But I've used those gaskets... And usually I find myself building a bracket or finding some other way to be able to pry it into place depending on my position.
I liked this. Tennessee?
Close...North Carolina. Accent almost gave us away. If you like this sort of thing check out the new channel we started after TH-cam terminated this one. All we can do here is reply to comments. Thanks th-cam.com/video/V6fPuBD9jyI/w-d-xo.html
If somebody can do this kind of job in my basement I’ll pay you for it I luv win NJ if any plumber can do that on my house please let me know
Always a crap shoot, i have drilled a couple holes took a tapered punch or screw driver or my favorite a narrow wood chisel and put it in the hole and pried it out like opening a can of tuna all in one piece. Then there are the others you have to do what you did.
Aint nobody gonna comment on how dirty this looks? Lol!
In all seriousness, the original fitting is wrong. You got yerself a santee on its back. Gotta be a combe or a wye with a 45.
Yes or its a fail on a legit inspected job
DIRTY ? ITS PLUMBING WHA DO YOU EXPECT
@@andyz2747 The work he did was clean. It's the existing stuff that was done half assed. And yes, plimbing work is naturally dirty, but that doesnt mean you cant give clean work. (I'm a plumber, myself)
Probably done by a handyman XD
Not for old Plumbing. That stuff was legal before. That pipe could be 30 years old.
See this is why there are secrets in trades. Do u know how screwed you would have been if you damaged the Santee on its side you would have to replace all of that in there with your drill bit. If you know how then okum is installed then you'll know how to remove it properly there's my tip
drywall bit?
Nope just a regular old metal bit. Sorry for responding as our other channel. I didn’t think it would be worth the time to logout, log back in, etc. We haven’t done any new videos in a while but I’m hoping to change that soon
Porque no usas soplete y fundía el plomo ..
Experienced plumber spends hour on lead joint ...cuts PVC crooked for first fit..
Seriously a pain n d ass. I hate them crawl space jobs.
I been plumbing for 25 yrs and I can tell you now we don't get paid enough. We should get the same pay as doctors and lawyers. They have no idea what we go through to keep everyone with water and toilets hot water and heated homes. Without plumbers the world would die with infections and dehydration. Next time you see your plumber thank him or her and maby buy them a good steak dinner. And Exspecialy there Apprentice LOL
Well put Mr Walden!! I’m at 22 yrs and I can feel your knee and back pain from here. Thank you for your service sir.
@@plumb4uplusmorellc533 thank you sir. My hats off to you
Y’all sound like you’re from Arkansas.
NC
just use one of those circular cutter bits lmao
U alla I Luke the cut..
Had exactly the same issue with the wife last night 😳
Cheap gasket buddy
Better off replacing the run I can see a fracture on the side of the wye God forbid,
A cracked wye would’ve been horrible. We always advise replacing the cast iron but not all customers have the funds to fix it the way we’d like, so that’s puts us doing this kind of thing.
Thanks for joining us Bugatti. We’re about as Southern as it gets which I’m sure you can tell but I used to work with a company that relocated from NY to NC. They were a bunch of great guys and some of the best trained plumbers I’d ever worked around . We don’t have a good training program down here other than just OJT. We’re working 60hrs a week down here trying to catch up so we haven’t had a lot of time for videos but hopefully that will change soon.
Need mask first
This is the most useless video I’ve ever seen. Working to get a joint separated for ten minutes, then, poof! The pipe is magically missing from the joint.
Seriously talk bout a waste of time and money not to mention drill bits 😂😂 ..for 1 your pipe is horizontal get a torch heat the lead pull it out or take a saw saw and cut 2 notches in the pipe and peel the dam thing out of there have done it a million times and only takes few mins apparently cast must seem complicated to you or something..its not rocket science bud
Carl I’d say thanks for the comment but that’s not the kind of comments I encourage (the rude ones I normally don’t take the time to respond to). A couple of you have mentioned a torch. I worked for 10 yrs in a healthcare setting where only cast iron is used for drainage even on new installations (So yes I’m very familiar with cast iron) . We still used lead and oakum for closet flanges, mop sinks, and the like (vertical joints). You learn from doing that it makes a noxious smoke and smell. What the ones who’ve suggested using a torch aren’t aware of is that this is a duplex where both tenants are elderly, have health issues, and one is on oxygen not the place to release a lot of noxious smoke (Plus who wants to smell burning poop). You’ll also notice my youngest son (3rd generation plumber) is helping me. Exposing him to lead smoke in a confined area is also something I want to avoid. Would your way work...yes as would many other ways but this is my way and the safest way for both the tenants and employees in this situation. Plumbers protect the health of the nation which includes their customers and staff during that work. I’m sorry my way doesn’t meet your expectations.
This darn haters are everywhere...
I don't think he is meaning to be rude. But when you pull out enough cast iron, you tend to stick to what works best. Every situation is different. I'd rather melt the lead out of place then drill it unless I was in an area that I couldn't use a torch because of a sprinkler system or whatnot. In a crawl space yes definitely a hammer , chisel and a torch. A good one, not those cheap torch heads or you'll be there all day. They also make cast iron cutting blades now that work very well.
@@stompy676 You’re probably right and if so I apologize for taking it the wrong way. Also we are a huge fan of the Diablo carbide tipped blades and even have a pack of the Diablo Amped carbide blades provided by Diablo we have yet to do a video on. Please keep up with our new channel to see future videos.
TRY USING A TORCH
Next time get a hole saw larger than the pipe and smaller than the hub, and use the hole saw to remove the lead. It takes about 2 minutes and you will have it done...
I rarely work with lead
This is the tip I was looking for
Thanks 🙏
Drilling out the lead in Oakham is an absolutely wonderful way to remove cast-iron pipe from the hub. Worked a lot easier than I thought. Excellent video, very helpful
Not all cast iron hubs are the same, and not all rubber donuts are the same. Although your pvc connection the donut is tight doesn't mean your donut to the cast iron is tight. I recommend putting silicon around the donut that will make up for any imperfections on the connection to give it a better seal.
Thanks for the feedback Johnson! I normally would agree with you...but we’re near Charlotte where Charlotte Pipe is located so most of the cast iron pipe and fittings we see are Charlotte pipe and the donuts we use are “Charlotte seals” that are also made by Charlotte Pipe and still used in new commercial installs. I’ve ran loads of push joint cast iron in new schools and healthcare jobs during my career. We have to test those just like pvc systems and only use pipe lube (camel snot if you live around here) to complete the joints. If your using a donut from one manufacturer and a fitting from another I imagine you’re correct.
Tye seals are a huge pain
Camel Snot? You mean Duck Butter.
@@justen7994 yes sir try the 10” and up not fun
Joy jelly?
This is a real plumbing, ladies and gents. No shinny tools, no clean shirts - all just dirt, dust, rust, and heavy work - all in 16" of space under the house. Thank you for showing it how it is.
How is it that the cast iron is so rust free ???? Does the age of the pipe when made make a difference Sir ??
Notch the cast hub with a grinder, approx 2-4 locations, carefully to not place notch to deep, notching the cast pipe itself. Once it's notched, each piece,also the lead sleeve will be removable within entire sleeve/1-piece lead, very easily removed. Secondary would be sawzall with cast iron new blade, same process as within notching, secondary choice due to any near by neighboring lead joints usually will begin to leak, due to the vibration sawzall creates. Once hub is removed, you now have a flush end to work with, no-hub band your repair, and-or spot repair replacement. Much better joint than any id/inside diameter joint sleeve adapter. Due to id/inside diameter adapters create a lip inside the drain line, that catches debris within.
Is it necessary to clean out cast iron before gasket insert is pushed in? Just so you know, it is difficult to hear/understand much of what you're saying throughout this video... Thank you for the info
Seymore that’s a great question. Once the lead is removed behind it is oakum which fills the void between the outside of the pipe and the inside of the hub. Depending on how tightly the oakum is packed you can sometimes wiggle the pipe out and other times have to pull it out with needle nose pliers or a screwdriver. The pipe should come out in one piece and the oakum should separate from the hub fairly easily. You would need to make sure none of the residual oakum would keep the new seal from contacting the hub. Also sorry about the volume this was one of our first videos...we’ve learned a lot since then. Check it out on our new channel multiple links are in the comments
Very interesting, us electricians don't have them kind of problems!
Nice video, sometimes you just have to stay after it.
Thanks for posting this. i'm about to tackle removing a cast iron pipe from its hub in my basement tomorrow and this is one of the few videos i've been able to find that shows how clean out the lead without melting it. i'm curious - what kind of grease did you use? i can imagine the wrong kind might degrade the donut over time
A general pipe lube should work fine, I think we used silicone or silicone grease in this occasion I can’t remember exactly. As far as I know silicone doesn’t degrade the neoprene the donut is made from like true rubber gaskets used in the past.
@@plumb4uplusmorellc533 I am doing this right now on 2 shower drains. The removal section of your video, drilling out the lead, was very helpful to me, thanks for posting that. I called Fernco technical support and they said to only use soap for a lubricant, like dishwashing liquid soap. I am not sure about other things that maybe safe to use, but that is what they told me.
Thanks Solar Eclipse Timer...we have a once in a lifetime solar convergence coming up tonight between Saturn and Jupiter hopefully you’ll get a chance to see it. Back to plumbing thanks for the recommendation from fernco!! I’ve used a lot of things to lube gaskets over the years but never used dish soap. I’ll have to give that a shot. Thanks
Duck butter
Beacon grease 😅
That’s not the proper way. That joint is going to leak.
Abbra..... Cadab.... Bra,..... Presto and a bunch of other magic words and it is out of the hub. Another person only interested in getting paid instead of filming the entire video on how he removed the pipe from the hub......Lazy.
I see how short you cut the pipe before starting with the drill. What about if you inserted a recip saw with a metal blade into that short section of pipe and make cuts in several segments of the pipe (now nipple). Then with enough of the nipple sticking up, bang in towards the center of the nipple until its collapsed inward. Just a suggestion a friend gave me as I am considering that or your method in the video.
You need to improve your skills this is micky mouse work!!!!!
If cut the pipe with a Sawzall at 2 points, like a pie, the old pipe comes out much easier. Just be very careful not to cut into the flange.
Great video. Couldn’t really hear what toy were saying about drilling though
Ive done it this way but if i had to do it again, hammer drill an chisle bit. Would be quicker. And oh yeah, fernco is the way to go. Those pro source brand donuts, are pos. You cant put abs into them without distroying the donut gasket.
Can’t you just cut the inside but not to the threads then chisel it out using the saw saw … you should watch some New York plumbers I think it’s called hydronyc (I could be wrong that your doing similar things though I know nothing about plumbing )
just use a sawzall with a carbide blade and go slow. I bring new blades. Cut the iron in about 3 places and very carefully break it out. the lead will come out after that
How did you remove all the leftover lead in the pipe after removing the old section?? Grind? Heat? Video was cut right at that part lol! Please let us know.
Fernco instructions show to slide the rubber on the pipe first, past the depth of the hub. Insert the pipe into the hub and then drive the fernco down into the hub.
I like your way much better, especially if the hub isn’t in great condition
Get yourself an old electric charcoal starter like what the kid put on the door knob in home alone works great only take like 5 minutes.
Why put PvC into an old rusty cast iron pipe.? Why not change to hold pipe to PVC?
What is the name of this rubber?????ci joint rubber? Plz reply
What’s wrong with cutting the hub off and attaching a 4 inch rubber coupling?
My grandpa always used cooking lard and a mini torch to heat up the lead for it to come out faster
Just did a job yesterday going from 4" hub to 3" pvc with a donut. Talk about a pain. They won't be able to dynamite that fitting apart now.
Those transition donuts are super tough especially when cold. Also if you’ve read any other comments on our channel you’ll see that TH-cam has terminated our channel for severe violations of their community guidelines. They won’t tell us what the violations was and have denied multiple appeals. We’ve started a new channel and hope you can join us there. All we can do on this channel is respond to comments and the content will remain up for now.
@@plumb4uplusmorellc533 that's obsurd! I'll definitely follow the other channel
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Scary this dude sounds exactly like me “weird”😧
Glad to hear it worked for you Watertown!!
I just did this today but I just used a flath and screw driver and wiggled it out
Are they speaking English? Quit mumbling
It’s worked for us. Thanks for the tip.
Like everything in life proper lubrication is essential lol
REVISED/ RE EDITED? FAKE IS SAME TO THE FIRST ONE; NOT COMPLETE
Time and money I use a grinder and then use ABS to Cast iron git er done
I thought rubber gaskets are only for underground use .
Amazing no cussing! Great job.
Did you any plumbers putty in the rubber donut.
When it was ok I used my torch and melted it out
If you use a pipe strap to turn it while you press it will go in easier. Also grease the tye seal
Hello
I got this same problem but I spend hours trying to do it and it is impossible my dril bit is getting stuck
Recipe to no hub
it took me two hours but i got it out without stress.
We've all broken many a drill bit doing this..
That a really slappy job.👎👎👎👎
Or use a hole saw and be done in 30 sec