How to safely bring a loaded semi truck down a mountain | Loud jake brake | Beautiful scenery

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  • @donnadoriand7324
    @donnadoriand7324 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    You're a smart, skilled driver. We need more like you.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Appreciate the kind words.

  • @agendacide75
    @agendacide75 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I remember that drive. When my husband was stationed in Augusta, GA, we'd take I-77 to go back to Ohio to visit family. Very beautiful drive, but steep! Love your videos ❤

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Beautiful scenery indeed. A dangerous one for inexperienced drivers. I love going down after a snowstorm. The snow covered mountains is a beauty. Thanks for supporting my channel!

    • @mauricedaniel2500
      @mauricedaniel2500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same here I’m from Eufaula AL with roots from GA but I’ve been taking 77 home all time bc we live north of Pittsburgh

  • @davidrathert9428
    @davidrathert9428 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As a log Truck Driver for 25 years hauling out of the mountains this guy knows what he’s talking about. He’s a good driver.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      🚛💨🫡🫡 stay safe out there!

  • @raymondbradley6788
    @raymondbradley6788 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you Marvin. Have a blessed weekend my brother.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same to you, Raymond.

  • @100que8
    @100que8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great job on your explanation and and demonstration video for auto drivers and also some newer and older as well truck drivers. The truck does the job if you understand the concepts and fundamentals if you stay in control. 🙏💯👍💪🤜👊🤛💪👍💯🙏

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Appreciate the feedback. Stay safe!

  • @scottman4943
    @scottman4943 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just passed my class 1 (in the uk) after years driving only class 2 and your videos like this encourage me to move up to bigger trucks. I currently move large plant and would like to eventually move into heavy haulage. Stay safe out there 👊

    • @HateTheGameTX
      @HateTheGameTX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Move to the states to get some real driving in.

  • @jeremyworm1179
    @jeremyworm1179 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You are a true professional.👍

  • @eclinor
    @eclinor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for all the effort you put on this videos man, I'm a local driver but I basically don't deal with mountains like that, I've only done it once I was using 8 gear to come down that mountain, I felt bad at the beginning seeing other semis passing me by and I thought I was way to slow then I realized some of the guys who passed me was on the side of the road smoking his breaks, nothing happened to him. Thank you man again, God bless you friend

  • @ShannonJanzen
    @ShannonJanzen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great to see they is still professional drivers out there. Great job!!!!!

  • @mattberg916
    @mattberg916 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice work drivah! Thanks for the ride.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Any time!

  • @leebuck180
    @leebuck180 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you for letting us "ride" along.

  • @Boo91900
    @Boo91900 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You doing right. Let the Jake Brake do what it do. I drove for 13 years.

  • @timslager5966
    @timslager5966 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice job going down that grade, retired heavy hauler here, appreciate the way you handled your rig on the way down. Hope the guys that passed you were empty!👍👍

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Enjoy your retirement! God bless! 🫡🫡

  • @milesmorgan6253
    @milesmorgan6253 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Marvelous marv,the best truck driver at explaining everything about trucking.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@milesmorgan6253 🫡🫡 appreciate it

  • @undernature2799
    @undernature2799 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dammmmnnn listen to to Jake, love it!
    Haven't been as far as fancy gap in a while.
    Race to the bottom might get you there quicker than intended.
    😂 I remember asking mom what those hills of sand and stuff were for at 5-6 years old and she told me. That point on I understood how dangerous it could be and the respect has only gone up since.
    Gotta lot of catching up to do on your videos.
    Ty sir for sharing and as always highly appreciated 👍🤞

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Your support of my channel is greatly appreciated! God bless!

  • @lukemackara2786
    @lukemackara2786 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i know nothing about trucking, but growing up i’d always hear those jake brakes from the highway, it’d lull me to sleep, never realized what they actually were til i started watching you, keep climbing boss man, sendin that love ☀️

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for watching Luke. 🫡🫡

  • @migo831
    @migo831 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. The way you explain it is awesome. I been driving for 3yrs now hasn't been easy. I used to drive from CA to Nevada loaded 78,000lbs. Down 6-7% talk about scary being new driver but like you said be in right gear go slow. I always told my co workers I let the Jake take me home. They always laughed. Lol. Good stuff fam keep doing your thing. Be safe.

  • @ejspco
    @ejspco 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fancy Gap is beautiful. Not beautiful when I got 42k of paper rolls in the wagon and I gotta go up the grade. 😅. Coming back down I just hit the jakes on stage 3 and just let it eat. I keep it usually around 45 and I don't even have to touch the brakes. Another beast of a grade is I64 coming through the Ne0w River Gorge. Thats a monster. 7 to 8% grade on that beast. Great video brother 🙏🏿

  • @benjaminfjacksonsr5220
    @benjaminfjacksonsr5220 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great Job And Demonstrating The Proper Safety Measures Getting To Bottom Safely. He Who Drives Safely Today And Lives Will Drive Again Tomorrow. God Bless You And God Continue To Keep You. Keep Your Dirty Side Down And Your Shiny Side Up While Your Wheels Turning You Will Be Earning . Oh How This Brings Back Memories. See You On The Next One .

  • @abu_malik_alseidiyn728
    @abu_malik_alseidiyn728 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    شكرا لك مارفن. أتمنى لك عطلة نهاية أسبوع جميلة ❤

  • @petrstuntbiker885
    @petrstuntbiker885 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love jake brake sound 💪👌😉✌️🇨🇿

  • @ArtiSentinel
    @ArtiSentinel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice Tutorial. I like these edjucational valuable Videos of yours! Keep them coming. You are awesome!

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, will do!

  • @user_Happy_Jack
    @user_Happy_Jack 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Marv your old Buddy Happy Jack enjoyed your video on going Down the Hill, made a A+ Driver.🎉😊✌️

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate ya!

  • @Michael-z2v5j
    @Michael-z2v5j 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the way you explain how and what to do in situations like going down a mountain, my father had his own truck otr for around 40 yes and I drove for 26 yes, I have been around trucks all my life, you are a great driver and a teacher, be safe and careful out there, mike from Mississippi.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Much love drivah! Appreciate the kind words! 🫡🫡

  • @SimuVerse-wi6ky
    @SimuVerse-wi6ky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great job❤.. thanks for shareing thia

  • @josephreel9556
    @josephreel9556 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really enjoy riding along. Keep safe out there.

  • @kevinwisdom7704
    @kevinwisdom7704 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you bro for this content im learning so much

  • @Photographylyfe1
    @Photographylyfe1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Appreciate you for sharing this key component mi general👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Be safe 🫡🫡🚛💨

  • @notchfox6086
    @notchfox6086 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice sir.! Stay safe out there driver!

  • @maplerice7710
    @maplerice7710 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello driver. Miss seeing your videos. Please be blessed and stay safe 🙏

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hello there. I’ve been backed up on editing. I have one more coming your way tomorrow. Then 2 more in the coming days. I was 4 videos behind on editing.

  • @rjayjones1988
    @rjayjones1988 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great driven skills bro

  • @LIFE_is_G20OD
    @LIFE_is_G20OD 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love your channel!!

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much!!

  • @bobbywilliams7144
    @bobbywilliams7144 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wassup marvelous great driving

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello there Bobby! 🫡🫡

  • @travisle1
    @travisle1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This might sound weird, but your truck sounds awesome!! Gave me chills, turned up the bass and blasted it!!
    I drive a truck thatt has a muffler on it, very jealous!!!
    Keep up the good work!

  • @lensworthburton9641
    @lensworthburton9641 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yow king u r smart driver

  • @keithmantey1940
    @keithmantey1940 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I drove down the Grapevine grade in CA and my back brakes were smoking some by the end. Box truck with automatic transmission and no jake or engine brake... it would upshift on its own due to high rpm. Then brakes would be needed each cycle to get it back down shifted. Fully loaded 26K lb gross box truck with 14K lb trailer but the trailer brakes weren't working. Got the brake controller on after that... which is tricky on a modern electrical system that had no output for one. My Coach RV has an engine brake and that works great. I would like to retrofit the box truck with a jake brake but maybe not very practical. 2014 Navistar DT466 7.6L

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Manual is the way to go. Gear down in that manual truck and never have to touch the brakes once. I owned a couple of manual (6 speed) box trucks prior to owing semi trucks.

    • @camille7325
      @camille7325 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My grandpa was a trucker in the 40s and 50s. I remember his stories through the Grapevine. He turned on the heater to help the engine, when it was 110+ in the summer. I have huge respect for truckers. The Jake brake always brings a smile to my face.

  • @SuperTinman2009
    @SuperTinman2009 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ran that stretch many times! 👍

  • @Enochrry6024
    @Enochrry6024 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I learned my lesson coming out of the Eisenhower tunnel in Colorado go down that mountain geared up too high 😬.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What was the end result?

    • @Enochrry6024
      @Enochrry6024 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@presy_jay ..Smoked my brakes😄, it's a blessing it wasn't worse but I stood up on them brakes till I stopped. This was back in 1995 fresh out of truck driving school, that's been about 30 years ago still driving today in the ArkLaTex state lines area the video just bought back memories when I was driving cross country specially in NY enjoy your videos bro.👊🏽💯.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @enochrry6024 we all made some mistakes as a rookie trucker. The greatest thing is that we learn from it and move on.

    • @Enochrry6024
      @Enochrry6024 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@presy_jay 👊🏽💯

  • @longhaulr4live
    @longhaulr4live 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ty for your vid

  • @ДядяВоваКлассикСША
    @ДядяВоваКлассикСША 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Like and a comment from a Russian TH-camr! If you don’t mind me, asking you, what kind of a microphone or an app are you using to run three cameras? Thanks in advance.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm using the audio from the POV camera on my head. No mic. Just the built in mic from my DJI action 4. All three cameras are recording at the same time (simultaneously). I added the b-roll footage from the other cameras. Match up the videos, then mute the audio from the b-roll camera.
      Hopefully, this helps.

  • @lionhead1193
    @lionhead1193 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Respect 🇯🇲👊🏾

  • @marvinasher-m4h
    @marvinasher-m4h 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    very skilled driving we also share same name Marvin

  • @edgarwperez
    @edgarwperez 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watch your videos cause I want to simulate what I learn from you in (American Truck Simulator). Hopefully I can drive a real Truck in a future.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That game looks fun.

  • @Fishinaroundtn
    @Fishinaroundtn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I used to fly down that mountain 75mph not anymore though. Lost my brakes one time. Not from overheating though. Slow and steady from then on

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Not smart driver. If you encounter stopped traffic halfway down, it's doomsday for a lot of people involved. Ain't no stopping the truck at 75 mph. Regardless of the grade, I approach every mountain with that same concept in mind.

  • @tonygole4050
    @tonygole4050 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would be cool to see the rpm as you go down with the Jake’s on

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Around 1700-1800.

  • @AllGoodLongchenRabjam108
    @AllGoodLongchenRabjam108 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maryland 68, Oregon’s/NORCAL 5 , and CO have some Knarley grades.
    I’m brand new and just took a dedicated route. Automatic truck. SD CAL TO Bakersfield CA daily. Only hard part is Tejon pass area but it’s not a long stretch. Kind of nervous for it. I got CDL in Ohio and mountain driving wasn’t covered much other than in class

  • @laurentdimbu2039
    @laurentdimbu2039 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks

  • @ericpenick8704
    @ericpenick8704 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I ran bout the same speed on Fancy and jake wide open.

  • @marlanbonner8632
    @marlanbonner8632 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Keep them Jake’s talking bro

  • @aleklacinaal
    @aleklacinaal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10-4 driver, I'd ride the jakes hard all the way down sloooooow and then pass the steering wheel holders on the flats/going up hills and we'll see who gets to the destination safe and on time 😂

  • @robertheck6747
    @robertheck6747 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve driven trucks for forty years. You can drive too slow down steep grades forever. But only once too fast.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Spot on 🫡🫡

  • @mauricedaniel2500
    @mauricedaniel2500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did you do any modifications to your engine brakes to be able to withstand the weight going down …

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No. Changed the solenoids about 3 years ago. If the grade was steeper, I'd go down about 2-3 gears lower.

    • @mauricedaniel2500
      @mauricedaniel2500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@presy_jay so a engine break is a solenoid? If so geesh & who do all your work I have a 95 FLD flattop

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mauricedaniel2500 not what I'm saying. If the solenoids are bad, it reduces the stopping power.

    • @mauricedaniel2500
      @mauricedaniel2500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@presy_jay ooooo ok gotcha

    • @mauricedaniel2500
      @mauricedaniel2500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@presy_jay see now you gotta educate me what solenoid exactly we talking about here

  • @navarbennett905
    @navarbennett905 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @danbuter
    @danbuter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My dad said go down one gear lower than you went up in.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That kinda works when you drive a truck with no power. That could get you in trouble if you drive a powerful truck (like mine). With this same weight in my trailer, I can go up fancy gap without dropping a gear. I wouldn't go down 1 gear lower with that same weight. A truck with no power would be crawling up the mountain. Hence, the reason why that theory works when you drive a truck that lacks power.

    • @DeanHenry51752
      @DeanHenry51752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree with you it takes experience to do it right 👌

  • @martinharris5107
    @martinharris5107 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Experience teacher

  • @Michael-z2v5j
    @Michael-z2v5j 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry for the misspelled words this phone has a mind of it's own my apology.

  • @bigbaderek1978
    @bigbaderek1978 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Night driving or day driving? I am night guy

  • @DarrkMane
    @DarrkMane 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What GPS are you using? Garmin Dezl?

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Garmin OTR700

  • @jeffthompson454
    @jeffthompson454 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you're going down a steep grade, and have your Jake on, do u have to turn them off to use the foot Brake ?

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not at all. They work together at the same time. The throttle or clutch will disengage the jake brake.

  • @hoodtrapper16
    @hoodtrapper16 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are you shift rpm’s in tnat cat are you around 1500-1700rpm upshifting ?

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Upshifting around 1700. Downshifting around 1400-1500. I really don't pay attention to the rpm. I just listen to the motor.

    • @hoodtrapper16
      @hoodtrapper16 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@presy_jay gotcha would you suggest a 10 speed or 13 for first purchase already a OTR driver buying my first unit later this year . No auto restriction

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@hoodtrapper16 13 speed over a 10 speed. Those extra gears are necessary for otr. Helps when you can split the gears climbing a steep grade.

    • @hoodtrapper16
      @hoodtrapper16 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@presy_jay gotcha thanks for the info what about the 18 or that’s to much for reefer OTR ?

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@hoodtrapper16 18 speed is superior to all. Best transmission.

  • @motorman3956
    @motorman3956 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is that a Cat glider?

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No! 2000 peterbilt 379 with a 6nz.

  • @bryan.mabin313mabin6
    @bryan.mabin313mabin6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Marv ever ran fruit out of port wilmington delaware

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I used to. Not anymore.

    • @bryan.mabin313mabin6
      @bryan.mabin313mabin6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @presy_jay Thought soo I use too work at port use too see you live loading at Dole during fruit season you always kept a nice truck and a very cool Driver .

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bryan.mabin313mabin6 definitely picked up a few loads at Dole over the years.

    • @bryan.mabin313mabin6
      @bryan.mabin313mabin6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @presy_jay yess I remember win I seen your video I said myself he use run out if Dole you always cool never rushed us load you or complain good seeing your videos and you in the big truck God bless all times and be safe Driver

  • @DeanHenry51752
    @DeanHenry51752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with what he says but after 34 years of driving he has a standard transmission which I prefer but most trucks on the road are automatic & I was taught not to use a jake I use just the gears so you don't burn the brakes only automatics you can't use the gears to keep the truck slowed down you have to use Jake or retarder I hate automatics

  • @Introverted_Alpha
    @Introverted_Alpha 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Inside your Truck looks beautiful 👏🏾👏🏾 Would you ever consider become an instructor…..eventually? 🇯🇲🔥🇯🇲

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Appreciate it, bro. I've never really given it too much thought.

  • @DG38594
    @DG38594 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fancy gap is a breeze. Drop a gear Jake on high and ride

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure it is... when you know what you're doing!

  • @yeremy7144
    @yeremy7144 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That hill its easy come over to love land pass in co

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Been there, done that! FYI... Marv don't compete with drivers. I'm in my own lane. I think you missed the whole point of this video.

    • @yeremy7144
      @yeremy7144 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@presy_jay who s competing ? Smh

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @yeremy7144 The point of the video wasn't how steep the grade is, brother. But, showing how to safely descend down it. A lot of rookie drivers watch my videos. BTW, I've been down a 17% grade. The concept is the same.

    • @DeanHenry51752
      @DeanHenry51752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know what you mean I've been on one I didn't know it existed 25% in California that was something 😮

  • @StreetMobtv385
    @StreetMobtv385 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could you have dropped a lower gear if you wanted to go a little slower

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Most certainly! I would recommend doing so prior to starting your descend down the mountain. Unless you're an experienced driver, a lot can go wrong while downshifting downhill. I wouldn't recommend it.

    • @DeanHenry51752
      @DeanHenry51752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's the best way to do it especially if you don't know the hill

  • @joshuarichardson3612
    @joshuarichardson3612 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If a driver has issue with fancy gap they don’t need a cdl. It’s the easiest to come down with a speed set for car/trucks that is the same. 😂 it’s like 65 all the way down. I want to see some real mountain driving.

    • @presy_jay
      @presy_jay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I disagree with your statement. Fancy Gap Mountain is underrated. People start flying down, not realizing it's 7 miles down. It is a variable speed mountain. I see guys doing 80 mph down Fancy Gap all the time. That is just plain stupidity. What if there's stopped traffic halfway down? That's a lot of 💀 people. One day, it's 65 mph. The next day, it's 25 mph with zero visibility from the fog. Have you ever driven down fancy gap while it's snowing at night? I have! I driven down a 17% grade before. But you know what? I treat all grades with the same respect!
      Secondly, you have to remember that there are rookie drivers out there. That is precisely why I did this video. Everyone doesn't become an expert driver overnight. It takes experience to get here.

    • @galactus751
      @galactus751 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Agree with you 100%. Some mountain passes may be worse than others, but they can ALL kill you if you do not know what you are doing. Treat them ALL with respect at ALL times. @@presy_jay