Forward Facing Sonar- Understanding Cone Width

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  • @lindseywatkins2075
    @lindseywatkins2075 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Good explanation. What you said about turning the transducer to get the brightest return from your target can also be use to check your return on you lure. If you’re getting the brightest return on your target in the center but have to move the transducer to the right to get best return off your lure then you know to adjust your cast to the left. Works well for me when casting jigs for crappies!!!

  • @brianberry23
    @brianberry23 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Basic rule of thumb for people using FFS: If you're lure is the exact same brightness as the object or fish you're throwing at, you're on it. If not, you aren't.

  • @bartgrider6895
    @bartgrider6895 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great explanation.. That's where HB 360 helps dial in the exact cast. Use FFS to find where they are vertically in the water column. Use 360 to locate them radially.

  • @CasualBassGuy
    @CasualBassGuy ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Jon, you got a knack for explaining/teaching bro. Well done RMP

  • @philshoyer2200
    @philshoyer2200 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent presentation! I'm sure I'm not the only one who never really thought about what you guys just explained. So, basically you need to fan cast within the cone to cover all the possibilities.

  • @dustinwright4601
    @dustinwright4601 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video explains why you guys our the best in the business you didn’t have to make this video but you went beyond the call of duty! these videos are amazing and I will be buying my products form you guys! Good job.

  • @ScottFreeman-d9s
    @ScottFreeman-d9s ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Brett, this video was so informative. I've never heard the width and depth of the forward facing cone explained so well. Yes, John is correct, that was a fantastic Jig pitch!! I've spoken to you before on the phone and you were super nice, patient and professional. Keep up the good work.

  • @paulstuartwilson485
    @paulstuartwilson485 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow. Really well done explanation of ffs and what it is actually showing. The tape stripes on the floor are a fantastic representation of the cone. Great casting skills as well. 👍🇺🇸

  • @davidharris4030
    @davidharris4030 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am glad to know this info! That probably explains why a jerk bait is good for FF. You can work the bait fairly quickly and then fire back out again to hopefully be closer to the target. Thanks because I have been going nuts on why I wasnt getting bit more often. I knew the degree of the scope but didn’t know it could be 8-10 ft away from my target. I always thought once I centered target and got that bright return I had it pinpointed.

  • @tonypinckney5957
    @tonypinckney5957 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This really explains why when we think we put our lures on top of them and they don't respond. We weren't close enough! Personally, I will be casting at them a lot more instead of writing them off as uncatchable.

  • @larrybrown7263
    @larrybrown7263 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey guys y’all killed it with this one. What took me seems like forever to figure out you all explained it in min. Hope you both have great holidays. Oh and 12k views in 2 days isn’t bad. Keep it going.

  • @joebuda7900
    @joebuda7900 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guys this is an AMAZING VIDEO !!!!! What a way to explain how FFS works. You guys are the best!

  • @markpinther9296
    @markpinther9296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was well done guys. It’s hard to explain to people visually but I felt you made a great effort on this.

  • @ksaggie1359
    @ksaggie1359 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for producing this video. Makes great sense and explains a lot of my frustration with FFS!!!

  • @arthurpierson2923
    @arthurpierson2923 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have just purchase a garmin ffs package and have been watching alot of different video's on this. Yours is the best representation ive seen yet. Very well thought out. thank you for what yall did.

  • @davidhodges1483
    @davidhodges1483 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good information that help me, a new FFS fisherman, to better unterstand what I'm looking at when using FFS. BTW, I purchased all my electronics and FFS from RMP. I'm very satisfied with your products and customer service. A new customer for life.

  • @jrsmith80
    @jrsmith80 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video, clears up a lot of questions that I had regarding the FFS. Thank You

  • @bigtexnick2188
    @bigtexnick2188 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It took me a while, but now I get what you are trying to say. Whenever you guys showed the fish and brush pile from the side, that was the same look as the screen. In other words, the fisherman's point-of-view is different from the screen's point-of-view. Makes sense, thank you.

  • @iowaoutdoorsman5166
    @iowaoutdoorsman5166 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for that information from someone that is going to be getting forward facing in near future

  • @roddybieber7031
    @roddybieber7031 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome. I have Livescope and am still learning. Great job guys

  • @glenndaugherity6187
    @glenndaugherity6187 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video and explanation guys !! It really just solidifies for me anyway that my Active Target is a better tool for showing there’s fish out there for me to try and catch rather than trying to actually see the bait being bitten by the fish !! It just seems I waste so much time watching that screen trying to see a fish chase down my lure instead of fishing. If that makes sense 👍👍

  • @jasongiles4806
    @jasongiles4806 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was a good video explaining how it actually works and that it's not a guarantee to catch fish on livescope. I would just like more videos on Mega live and show what it looks like with it's latest updates on a apex and compare it to the other brands like you have done in the past. All those videos I thought helped out on guys making a decision on which live product to buy. Plus been told mega live has improved to almost equal the other two brands just not got to actually see it to me the actual comparison. Thanks guys.

  • @mikegooding1075
    @mikegooding1075 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All the guys that have never used one but think it’s cheating need to watch this video. It every bit as much of a skill to be good at it as skipping dock or something else. Great video guys!

  • @davidstevens9280
    @davidstevens9280 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the light just came on.....still a bit dim but getting ALOT brighter than it was two weeks ago when I first starting using Mega Live. Thx for the great video!

  • @glxbe
    @glxbe ปีที่แล้ว +5

    it's wild to me that the sonar companies don't make videos or sales materials to explain this stuff. you'd think they want their customers to successfully use the product

    • @LugnutsCarCare
      @LugnutsCarCare ปีที่แล้ว

      this!!

    • @WarEagleTheBest
      @WarEagleTheBest 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree! Never seen a good video from Garmin! Every Garmin pro is hiding this information!

  • @Dlezman_fishing
    @Dlezman_fishing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    awesome content! Thanks for taking the time to explain this.

  • @NiteWolfeFishing
    @NiteWolfeFishing ปีที่แล้ว

    Great visual, i think a lot of people dont grasp the concept that what they see on the screen is actually a side view of the beam.
    I read all the time on the forums about well the fish was on the right side of the screen so i tossed my lure to the right side but couldnt see my lure.
    On the screen there is no left or right its strictly forward and back.
    Its like your standing on the bottom looked sideways at the beam, you can tell up and down closer or further but no left or right.
    Now left or right can be determined as you said by how bright the return is when you sweep the transducer, but that takes a trained eye.

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the positive feedback! Seems like a lot of people are enjoying this one.

  • @gingervytis
    @gingervytis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good information and exposes the fallacy of ignorantly relying on a gadget. "Knowledge is the key to success" - Elwood "Buck" Perry.

  • @alanbuvelot831
    @alanbuvelot831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some good info. Better to attach livescope transducer to shaft of trolling motor or some sort of bracket attached to side of gunalle.😊

  • @gbogey2661
    @gbogey2661 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video guys.... this is going to help a lot of anglers.

  • @williammarkward2088
    @williammarkward2088 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, if you could do one on perspective mode, that would be the Cherry on top.

  • @tommypeckinpaugh1399
    @tommypeckinpaugh1399 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always guy’s awesome technical breakdown. Keep them coming

  • @ryanvarner6520
    @ryanvarner6520 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful. Thanks for the info!
    Nice pitch to the foot

  • @BretReidFishing
    @BretReidFishing ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brett, that was an awesome video!!!!

  • @expansioniskeyrn
    @expansioniskeyrn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So screen can’t show width of cone from left & right? It can only display top & bottom for depth/height; front to back for length/distance? Never thought about that 🤔 thanks!

  • @highschoolfishingcentral7753
    @highschoolfishingcentral7753 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Could you do another video like this for Perspective mode?

  • @GeraldSmith-h6z
    @GeraldSmith-h6z ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, that is a real eye opener.

  • @Patrik.Leidstedt
    @Patrik.Leidstedt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video guys 👏👏👏

  • @macEboy
    @macEboy ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW, New sub here.
    This video is King when it comes to basic learning (exactly what I needed).
    Please more details on distance and how many casts need to be applied due to increased distance and so forth.
    I subbed due to this one, as I'm learning the basics.
    Cheers!
    Mac

  • @dsquaredbassind2570
    @dsquaredbassind2570 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! I am in awe at what I didn’t know. So forward mode is basically a 2d of the vertical picture in front of my transducer. Then I can assume that scout mode is providing a 2d in the horizontal picture. Utilizing the same theory you explained, my picture in scout mode it can look like I’m right on top of my target but in actuality I could be many feet above or below it and not necessarily next to my target. Very interesting.

  • @aaronmackbf
    @aaronmackbf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, very informative! Not sure if it was just me but the mic volume was a little quiet, had to crank my volume. Just for the future but great content.

  • @aspadafina
    @aspadafina ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great explanation! but what about perspective mode? Are you able to make a more accurate cast?

  • @jimpotts4977
    @jimpotts4977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job guys!!! This helps a lot. When is Brett giving flipping and pitching lessons??? 😉

  • @brettpatton906
    @brettpatton906 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just order my active target can't wait for it to get here

  • @lesyoung9294
    @lesyoung9294 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good explanation with the visual aids.

  • @jeremyguthmiller2946
    @jeremyguthmiller2946 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this video! Is it possible to explain this from a vertical jigging perspective from the boat? Such as when you and a fishing partner are vertical jigging, what are the best angles and sonar facing directions so you can both see a lure. for example, One guy in front of the boat and one guy in back.

  • @cplaylist8238
    @cplaylist8238 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content guys! I just subscribed! Keep up the great work!

  • @larrypelgen4578
    @larrypelgen4578 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the info. That explains a bunch. First time I ever heard of this info.

  • @joef2504
    @joef2504 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the next iteration of FFS is that the black box does the on the fly triangulation calculation of the signal strength for the returns and displays a sideways return location of the beam width column...

  • @otto21matic
    @otto21matic ปีที่แล้ว

    So that’s why you’re seeing guys run a second transducer in perspective mode or having 360 to help to pinpoint where that cover is and how the fish are relating to it?

  • @johna9904
    @johna9904 ปีที่แล้ว

    to get 3d view, add two forward facing sonar pucks to both sides of the trolling motor, 6 inches apart. use a splitter and send
    it to the one unit. now the overlap will give you 3D. also helps if you wear a blue lense and a green lense in your sunglasses when viewing the sonar screen.

    • @knowitallfishing6990
      @knowitallfishing6990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i asked about a 3d vu after the first gen. i believe garmin said they had a patent on it. maybe we will see it in the coming generations.

  • @a.b.robinsonjr.4301
    @a.b.robinsonjr.4301 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done! Thanks.

  • @Wxfann
    @Wxfann ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video guys, very informative!!

  • @steveparker7240
    @steveparker7240 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I saw a Lowrance representation that gives the widest beam at about 45', then the further of the three beams actually narrows - which is why it's harder to pick up your bait and targets at 90'. And you quickly lose targets at the longer ranges, in other words, the target leaves the scope with smaller changes in position. It's like a widening cone to 45', then a narrowing cone. That's what I recall and it works with what I see on the water.
    Your representation would work perfectly with vertical 2D sonar. But I don't think it works with the three-beam forward sonar.
    At the range your showing it works though. 👍

  • @Mark-dj5qf
    @Mark-dj5qf ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome guys! That helps a lot for sure. Thank you!

  • @Indyjeeplover
    @Indyjeeplover 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In effect you are actually viewing Livescope from the side of the cone. From the side you can’t tell the side to side relationship of bait to target

  • @buck16
    @buck16 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wed, Feb 14 at 3:18 PM
    Hi. Hope all is well. I watched all those videos and learned a lot. But all I saw was a chart on the width for the 20 Degree angle but none for the 135 Degree angle. You said for instance on Mega Live forward mode that the side to side was 20 degrees and the up and down was 135 degrees. So, I assume on landscape mode the 20 degrees is up and down and the 135 degrees is side to side. So, a chart on widths at various distances for the landscape mode would be very helpful also.

  • @chadraper6418
    @chadraper6418 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you heard anything good or bad about the latest Lowrance update the 23.3? Thanks for all the great tips and content.

  • @thomasdietrich8544
    @thomasdietrich8544 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi guys, thanks for the video.Have a few questions-comments. First off, it seems that any transducer should work for this. Face the transducer forward, adjust the depth, which in this case would be distance & you should be all set. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or my Lowrance. Elite 7 Chirp isn't up to snuff, but I've never been able to see my lure with it. Guess I'm mistaken about this, or all the excitement wouldn't exist. Always thought forward facing sonar would be a great navigational safety device for detecting flotsom, jetsam, or any uncharted impediment to navigation.

  • @guyb5333
    @guyb5333 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Props on the cast🎣🎯
    I Think I understand. Only relative distance of objects can be determined but not side to side location In the horizontal plane. Because it's a single beam Horizontal location within that beam cannot be determined. If these units can't discriminate targets in the horizontal plane, what about the vertical plane?
    Can these units accurately determine depth?
    I'm from back in the days of paper charts, And in the 90s, Hb came out with a 3 headed transducer. The resolution was not great but, You could tell whether the fish/target was left, center or right, as they appeared in one of beams that was indicated on the LED display. I actually took this TRANSDUCER and mounted it sideways on my trolling motor. IT worked somewhat, Except I had to angle it down greatly then the bottom became a problem. Otherwise it would just get reflection off the surface. In open water it was good. OLD school side imaging.😊

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes this example is when running FFS in "forward" mode. My drawing on the whiteboard helps explain what you will be seeing on the screen. Thanks for watching!

    • @guyb5333
      @guyb5333 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RussellMarineProductsLLC Thanks, you all have really helped me before. Especially the video about how to take your 360 and put it into size imaging mode. I Would like to get FSS but, Not sure at my age if I would ever wanna be staring down at a forward facing sonar image but you never know. Due to health reasons i'm going to be selling my twenty one foot bass boat😢😥😢. I hope to get a small boat just To use a couple times a year. Is great videos,Guy

  • @bobhawney5639
    @bobhawney5639 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    appreciate you guys taking time to make this video, very helpful. I do have a question though. With my panoptix on trolling motor in normal ff mode suspended targets usually move up or down in column as I steer tm. Typically I am in 8 - 15 ft of water. Do you experience this or is it a set up problem?

  • @markesquivel1458
    @markesquivel1458 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information, thanks guys

  • @haroldnicely5463
    @haroldnicely5463 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thanks guys

  • @scottlykins1388
    @scottlykins1388 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome visual for understanding x axis of 18-20 degrees interpolated to a 2d screen , but what about the y axis and 135deg angle, we know we can look under the boat, but further out should we not loose the ability to see the splashdown and shallow part of our image? Further out would loose the shallow water image, would it not

    • @WarEagleTheBest
      @WarEagleTheBest 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I join the question - something gotta be missing shallow or deep for 135 degree angle.

  • @moeojro
    @moeojro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well done! thanks

  • @abreug2
    @abreug2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good explanation!!

  • @Jason_Emry_Fishing
    @Jason_Emry_Fishing ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the amazing explanation on FFS. One question that I didn't catch was which position is the FFS in? Perspective mode or normal mode? I was wondering this as I am always learning this FFS for my own boat. Thanks again Fellas!

  • @Stenn333
    @Stenn333 ปีที่แล้ว

    So...why is the display on the screen converted from the forward facing point of view the sonar ping is coming from to a side view on the screen, introducing all this "2D" and perspective error ?

  • @LeeRiverGuy
    @LeeRiverGuy ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm assuming that Scout mode would be a lot better for telling where your target is except for depth.

  • @KissmyBasss
    @KissmyBasss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quickly scan with a pole mount to dial it in.

  • @RodWynnFishing
    @RodWynnFishing ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!!! Also I want one of those Red RMP shirts..!

  • @richardmajewski3815
    @richardmajewski3815 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you talked at all about the effects of the trolling motor shaft angle when it is deplooyed in relation to the angle the live transducer is set for best picture? i.e. If you have a large person in the back of the boat and full livewells and tank of gas, how does the shaft angle change and how does that impact what you see on your screen? Thanks

  • @brandondrum8185
    @brandondrum8185 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great explanation

  • @cowboy4219
    @cowboy4219 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Helped me a lot Ty

  • @damienbethea7443
    @damienbethea7443 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So basically you should fan cast until your bait and target are at the same brightness?

  • @timg185
    @timg185 ปีที่แล้ว

    For some reason when I work my bait back to the boat . I can bring my back behind the transducer and trolling motor on the left side of my boat . I can still see my bait. . I’m not sure how since the transducer is shooting forward .

  • @beardedliberty2640
    @beardedliberty2640 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best bet is running a ffs on forward and another on scout

  • @mcconn746
    @mcconn746 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best video I have seen on this.
    I think the "stump" would look the same if it was on the right or left side of the beam rather than the middle. What am I missing? Thanks.

  • @letsdothis223
    @letsdothis223 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, can you do a video with perspective mode. Thanks

  • @ronknight779
    @ronknight779 ปีที่แล้ว

    This question may be hard to explain but I will try.
    To visualize the ffs cone in front of you, does the arrow on top of the trolling motor bisect the angle in half right and left of the arrow or does the left side of cone line up with the trolling motor arrow and the right side of the cone located 20 degrees to the right of the arrow (on a HB)??

  • @chriscabral4342
    @chriscabral4342 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome info .. now do this same information from a kayak point of view..

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This info is the same no matter what vessel you are on! The only difference is where the transducer is mounted.

  • @davidwalker6438
    @davidwalker6438 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like a simpler explanation would be to lay out either on paper, or with a video of the screen in picture, and explain HOW the screen changes what is actually there, versus what you are seeing. Because what I'm gathering by your representation is, the image you see on your screen is a 90 degree flip of what is actually in the water. Is that wrong or right? I get that you are explaining the difference in what you see, versus what is actually there, but I'd like to see HOW the image changes from reality to screen.
    I'm still debating on getting a live system, and I will be only using it for cast netting bait. But, if I can't tell which side of the beam the bait is on in 25-40 foot of water in winter, I don't see how it would do me much good.

  • @the_quest_outdoors10
    @the_quest_outdoors10 ปีที่แล้ว

    now how about this with depth included?
    and are cone angles same for down imaging mode

  • @the_quest_outdoors10
    @the_quest_outdoors10 ปีที่แล้ว

    also would love to se more on landscape mode or is this a forgotten and wasted feature?

  • @lfcskater
    @lfcskater ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sooo what you’re saying is that I need another transducer and screen for perspective mode 😂

  • @foneyboy01
    @foneyboy01 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good job

  • @ronknight779
    @ronknight779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good stuff

  • @briggs13a
    @briggs13a 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what lure can be seen best for practice or a prop?

  • @rogercarlson2330
    @rogercarlson2330 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ty makes so much sense

  • @vincenttuminello6096
    @vincenttuminello6096 ปีที่แล้ว

    swaying back and forth can show you the limits of where a target is....

  • @WarEagleTheBest
    @WarEagleTheBest ปีที่แล้ว

    What I need to do in order to put my jig into the brush pile in this case? Blindly cast inside the cone and maybe in 3-5 casts I can hit it? Is it possible to cast into the target from first cast?

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is, you will need to scan to the left and right with the transducer to find the edges of each side of it to know where to make your cast. It takes practice but with time on the water you will be able to hit it 90%+ of the time on your first cast.

  • @101karper
    @101karper ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn’t see those charts as promised. Otherwise great video. Helps a lot. Thx 🇧🇪

  • @morganswisher1937
    @morganswisher1937 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, great insight

  • @99leeray
    @99leeray 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good info

  • @rdonner28
    @rdonner28 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question based on the 14’ width, is everything within those dimensions the same intensity OR are things in the center of the beam intensified more? Wondering if there’s a focal point within the beam area? Thanks

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We did talk about this in the video. Objects in the center of the cone will appear a bit brighter.

    • @rdonner28
      @rdonner28 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RussellMarineProductsLLC Thanks! I missed it, I’ll rewatch to see what else I could’ve missed!

  • @davidj2k1
    @davidj2k1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it possible to see both views? The 2d as well as the cone? And if not...why?

    • @NiteWolfeFishing
      @NiteWolfeFishing ปีที่แล้ว

      Some people are starting to run 2 transducers and split screen forward and perspective.

  • @wendellbond3239
    @wendellbond3239 ปีที่แล้ว

    I understand the angle but where my lure is has me completely confused.

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว

      Somewhere inside that cone! Your screen will tell you where it's at in the water column.

  • @fishfever5923
    @fishfever5923 ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear my lvs32 cone angle is a lot smaller than that lol...I have to dead straight on to see my lure lol

  • @bronzebackbrownies
    @bronzebackbrownies ปีที่แล้ว

    Does a zero degree mount eliminate this? Or help?

    • @RussellMarineProductsLLC
      @RussellMarineProductsLLC  ปีที่แล้ว

      The zero degree mount is for a pole mount but the 8 degree offset is meant to clear the trolling motor barrel when shaft mounted.

  • @bssin-sifu9991
    @bssin-sifu9991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magnification at greater distance....? AT2 fish look larger at 100' out until you get them in 60'🤔