How Vatican 2 Destroyed Women's Religious Vocations
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- I argue and show how Vatican 2 played a direct role in destroying not just the number of vocations but the quality of those vocations--transforming nuns into pantsuit wearing social justice warriors who worship humanity rather than God.
And J. Bergoglio is trying his best to see that current nuns and vocations are finally, completely, dead and gone.
Women who took off their veils and wear pant suits are not nuns anymore. I have very little respect for them.
Quite right.
Often the only thing identifying modern religious sisters(sic) is a desultory lapel badge.
They're not Nuns but butch unisexual new age wiccans.
I am grateful to The Sisters Of Mercy that taught me in Grade School at Portsmouth NH in the early 60's. That foundation of Faith they gave me is still with me today. It saddens me that children today, for the most part, don't have that same opportunity.
The Sisters of Mercy aren’t doing anything good these days. A few decades ago, there was an offshoot of theirs founded in Alma, Michigan, that tries to be more faithful. They wear habits, as well as serving priests and teaching, but they would still be considered “pro-Vatican II,” in the hermeneutic of continuity sense of the term.
Absolutely for me too
There are still some small traditional chapels in New Hampshire. It isn't all gone,or at least not yet.
@@johncassani6780 Look into traditional Dominican Nuns in Highland MI. They have a traditional chapel,too.
In the Traditional Latin Mass Parish that I attend, today is Ascension Thursday. And Sunday is the Sunday after the Ascension. God Wills It.
They move the Holy Days to Sundays to keep people from practicing. The more you can remove people going to mass, it weakens the faith. You are right on!
Wish I could like this comment more!! So true!! ❤
When i was in Grade School and the first three years of High School, we went to Church to pray, and to adore God, and to be especially reverent in His Divine Presence. Now it seems (to me) that people go to Church to celebrate and worship each other. God is hardly noticed or mentioned.
I noticed that also, very sad
Vatican II destroyed a lot of things Catholic. In the Los Angeles area, a notorious priest/psychologist went to every Convent and told them to be free and seek themselves in the world and give up their vocation. At St. Linus Parish in Norwalk, CA most of the nuns ran off and disappeared virtually over night. I remember that a Baptist teacher had to fill a position. Adoration in Latin, the Rosary, teaching from the Baltimore Catechism came to an immediate end. I am bitter about what the Modernists did in the late 60s and 70s.
It started with Pius XII. The Eastern schismatics have plenty of blame to shoulder,don't be naive.
@EasternChristian333 ...thus my response to you. Read Fr Fortescue's book on the Eastern schismatics. The entire,
"Rome is belligerent selfish + cruel to the saintly pius selfless "Eastern Orthodox" " facade goes right out the window.
@EasternChristian333 The Easterns broke the Council of Florence unity,attacked Catholic Crusaders along w /`\uslims,sacked their own King during 4th Crusade,& allowed the Ottomans to crown their "puppet King" after 1453. Vatican 2 & Pius XII caused untold damage. Before 1965,Eastern Catholics had yearly Missals. Novus Ordo anti-Church FORCED Eastern Catholics to "de-Latinize." Y'all were,objectively,more aligned w the Papacy before 1965. Bishop Thuc's main Consecrator was an Eastern Rite Bishop,Syriac/Chaldean/Armenian succession. Bishop Lefebvre has Latin & Ukrainian succession from 1 of his Consecrators. Burn Vatican 2 documents in St Peter's Square,turn back the clock.
You are dead on target. Jesus Christs, the cross and taking up the cross is almost always never preached. Take up your cross and follow Christ.
Trust me, I know…..I was educated in the fifties and sixties by the IHM sisters…..so strong and so faithful and so well formed. Now I am just so sad about the state of that order…..just sad…..
That’s satan’s strategy, he infiltrates all Catholic orders and destroys them from the inside.
My mom was educated in PA by IHM sisters in the 60s and 70s. As you know, they, at least up until recently, had a song to "mother earth" and other random pagan things on their religious order page. The parochial school where my mom went is no longer in existence. The huge, old church it was attached to was sold off for secular use.
No song to Mother Earth in the fifties and sixties. Know all the TLM hymns from those sisters…..and Latin….yes things way different ten years past my education.
@@maryvz345 No, no. I'm talking about within the last 20-30 years, long after my mom left school...On their internet website for the order in the 2000s, they had a song to the "Mother Earth". It's sad how far they fell.
I wanted to join and become a Holy Child Nun in the 80's but I looked at them and their life and without knowing why I was put off! I thought it was my fault. I am only discovering now what was wrong. It affected my friends in a little prayer group. We probably all had a vocation and there were two Dominican Nuns in our group and it was directed by a "straight" Jesuit. I agonized over it for years I really thought I was weak and didn't have the courage for it, but I do see now whose fault it was! Thank you for your talk!
Absolutely sad but true, I remember how devastating it was when Vatican 2 happened and I have been saddened ever since, the beauty of the way it was though is a lovely memory
Years ago, I attended a secularized, formerly Catholic college where nuns lived. A few nuns wore full habits, but the others wore secular clothes instead. One wearing secular outfits shared an apartment with another nun and wore a tiny crucifix like a lapel pin. During a course I took there, the professor said, "This is not a Catholic college. It's a secular liberal arts college where nuns happen to reside."
Back then, when I still went to Novus Ordo Masses, a priest preached a dialogue sermon where he asked a priest in secular clothiing what he thought of that sermon. The priest in the congregation replied that he was "there to get out of the rain." He even supported abortion and suggested it to mothers who thought they needed it. Sadly, he now pastors a nearby Novas Ordo church. But happily, the college permanently this year. That would have disappointed Mom if she were still living, since she earned her BS in nursing there.
If you're curious, you may want to watch episode 48 of the SSPX's series about the crisis. It'll prove that there's genuine logical inconsistency between. Vatican II's novelties and what the Church has always taught. For example, there's a self-contradiction between Satis Cognitum and Unitats Redintegratio.
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Yup. They also host Archbishop Lefebvre's books in audiobook format. Worth the listen. Definitely not dry.
@@gabrielleeliseo6062 I love audio books because I'm an auditory learner. Sadly, the speech becomes "background noise" when I listen them too long. But I need to concentrate harder when reading printed books. I'm an SSPX parishioner who belongs to the Society's third order. So, there's a framed photo of Archbishop Lefebvre hanging in my family room. Someday, after the Immaculate Heart triumphs, an antimodernist pope will canonize His Grace. Sadly, I suspect he'll do that after I die.
@@williammcenaney1331 I get ya. I'm definitely an auditory learner. I have reading difficulty because of vision problems (legal blindness in one eye), so it's great to have it read to me. As for the Archbishop, I ask for his prayers every night. The Counterchurch doesn't want to canonize him, but hopefully the Church will one day. I figured his books would be dry as dust with theology, etc. when I went to read them. They are actually really very down to earth. I've been an SSPX parishioner, but the recent location where I've moved has none nearby, so I settle with the TLM available.
@@gabrielleeliseo6062 My distance vision is good, even without my glasses, but I need them when I read. Sadly, lousy depth perception prevents me from driving. So I traded my license for a nindriver's ID. Now I should get another New Marian Missal because it's easy to use. Strangely, I don't "know my way around" my St. Andrew's Missal.
I atteneded my first TLM in 2007 and have gone to SSPX Masses now for about 9.5 years. My diocesan church was gorgeous because it was nearly 200 years old. Gorgeous stained glass, elegant statues, and candles help me pray. So I miss them. Though our tiny chapel is much less ornate, I'd hate to leave it.
I'd hesitiate to assist at a diocesan Mass here in Albany New York's diocese because I worry that our bishop could order a modernist to celebrate Holy Mass. Though the liturgy could be technically perfect, who know what you'd hear from the ambo. Someone deleted my post when I made that point at traditionalist newpaper's website that ecumenism may have subtley infected.
@@williammcenaney1331 Every missal is slightly different. I use a 1950s one, when I do use one. Most of the time I just read off of a website or not at all. I let the priest read and pray a rosary...Or I just listen to the Latin, which I know well enough to comprehend what he's saying if he speaks loud enough.
I miss my SSPX church from where I used to live. The TLM religious orders and diocesan churches here are closing down one by one. I don't generally prefer FSSP, since they always push the "The SSPX is evil" mantra to keep on good terms with the local ordinary. Your deleted post may be based upon the "Ecclesia Dei" groups trying to keep on the good terms of the bishop, too. A pinch of incense to the gods, as it were.
I completely understand what you mean about modernism preached. I have heard my fair share of pandering to Novus Ordo and all sorts of kumbaya at these parishes. I generally just pull out my rosary and pray. I've also heard priests tell us trads that we need to get along with and join in the Novus Ordo...because we act like we don't want to belong to the NO. Well, that's probably because we don't. :) I'm planning on moving closer to an SSPX church. I need to put God first, and that's what has to happen.
If you judge the Council by what it actually said, it is ok. If you judge it by its fruits, it hurt the Church, and it was a disaster.
The devil is always in the details. They knew what they were doing. Read the following books: Infiltration, St Gallen Mafia and AA-1025.
@@mw2416 i have not read St. Gallen. I have read the other two. I believe it.
My Diocesan priest had Ascension Thursday Mass and did it in Latin. God blessed me with a decent priest.
I was once reprimanded by a nun when I said “Excuse me, Ma’am,”when I accidentally bumped her while standing on line.
She said, “And that’s ‘Sister,’ if you don’t mind.”
Well, what I obviously wanted to tell her was that if she’d been dressed like a sister, I would have known to call her that. But I was always too respectful of nuns to say something fresh to her so I turned around and minded my own business.
Another phenomenon of the 1960s what an exodus of thousands of nuns from the religious life.
Excellent video Thankyou.. The Vatican document "Cor Oran"for women religious in cloistered monasteries that was put out in 2018 was the nail in the coffin that we see now in the Bergoglio pontificate that is squashing traditional charisms and closing monasteries...the first ones to get the guillotine are the Carmelite monasteries, the oldest order that St Theresa of Avila worked so hard to keep their independence and prayer charism intact. The document lengthens formation now to eight years to complete professed vows and this was to discourage many young women on one end to consider entering and late vocations with aging issues likewise. I know bc in 2020 after much discernment to the calling I was accepted and entered a cloistered order as a late vocation but was not allowed to stay bc of "health reasons." that could have been resolved. As I left it was made known to me that there had been no professed nuns there at their motherhouse for 30 years. Yes vocations are dwindling and monasteries have to shuffle and outsource their elderly nuns or close altogether. Other monastic orders are expected to modernize and mix n match during formation and be more available to media outside resources and follow the hierarchy liberal Big Sister watching who overreach and report to Rome. This synod talk now of placing "deaconesses" is to me a disrespectful gut punch for those dedicated nuns who gave up their lives for their calling to traditional contemplative prayer. Some have nowhere to go as they are dispersed out of their community. The writing has been on the wall. 🙏💒
I agree. Justice has nothing to do with Catholicism.
It depends on the diocese, .ny it celebrates on the correct day
100% right. A clear, in depth analysis. Very very, few understand this. This is the first time I have heard it so clearly and exactly explained. One more thing: The teaching that the human person has the natural right to believe and serve false gods in a non-Catholic religions, gives birth to the heresy that these religions are ways to God, that the Holy Spirit is at work in them (see J P II's "Redemptor Hominis, no. 6), and the Bergoglian finger-wagging admonition that it is wrong, and a even "a poison", to explain the Catholic Faith to anyone with the intention of converting them and bringing them into the Mystical Body of Christ.
Was anyone converted who attended the Assisi events? No; nor was it intended that they should be. Henceforth we are taught one can be saved in any of these non-Catholic religions, and that Catholics can even learn from them.
Long ago, when I was much younger, I wanted to become a religious, specifically in the Carthusian Order; and I actually went to France to try my vocation at the Grand Chartreuse, the Mother house of the Order. I was a bit disturbed at what they had done to the Altar in the conventual church, which had been replaced by a bare block of pink marble with no candles, but I swept that under the rug, so to speak, not yet having been fully informed of the serious issue of the Novus Ordo Mass vs. the Mass of Immemorial Tradition.
So, I began my observership. Every Sunday the community leaves the monastery, and two by two, takes a 3 hour walk through the valleys of the surrounding mountains. This is the only time they are are allowed to speak with one another. I was paired with a Novice who was scheduled to take his temporary vows in a week. During our conversation he stated the following: "All religions are legitimate ways to God.". The next day, after thanking the novice master for the hospitality, I packed my bag and left the premises, never to return or think of returning. Thank you for this very important video. Keep up the good work in the Name of the Lord. My prayers are for you.
And yet, many of us have been under the impression that the Carthusians are still one of the strictest orders.
If you may be interested, the Divine Mercy YT channel is posting a series of videos to pray for the holy souls in purgatory, for 90 days.
A) Were there problems before VII? B) Would the activist have pushed the same issues w/o VII C) Did Archbishop Lefebvre sign the documents of VII D) Are there societies in full communion w/Rome who are respectfully addressing the issues w/in documents? The video is adept at identifying problems, and while not fanatically excited about that council, the video does a poor job of linking the cause and effect. The weakness of the argument detracts fact that the Church has been fighting against Modernism for more than a century before the 1960s. The roots are deeper than VII. I´d expect a better presentation from one hanging their hat on being an Esquire. BTW answer is Yes on all the above questions.
It started with Pius XII, do not be deceived.
My townhouse complex was home to 2 nuns from Sisters of Loretto and now in retrospect I think they were the unmentionable persuasion. Pantsuit wearing. The one that died first had this funeral At Risen Christ probably 16 years ago. It lasted 2 hours because they should movies of her flying an airplane. And long eulogies. After a year or so the surviving mum moved to her home order in Missouri.
Yes...exactly.
You are RIGHT! I was well educated by good faithful nuns. All women’s Catholic schools, 16 years. ! Several years After graduating in 1968 I returned to my beloved High school Academy reunion and was shocked the nuns no longer wore habits…..some pants, shorts and many had left. Vatican II was very harmful. Nuns had run off with priests , religion lost. Like it or not it was a reality.😪
The vaunted Church of Big Frank is imploding.
But wasn't Mother Theresa first professed as a Sister of Loreto? We have photos of her from that time in her life, in full habit.
5:55 the second major document of the Council Lumen Gentium starts off with the words “Christ is the light of the Nations.”
So is your argument that these changes happened after Vatican 2 but that the council had nothing to do with it?
Look up Dr. William Coulson and other rogerian therapists and what they did to the IHM sisters, as well as other religious orders.
Why do you resist the College of Bishops?
Not bad buddy , but U could be up there when most " commentators " will sink ; I like U Man U got the gift wish u get great guests on in future, keep up good work but please don't b just another,,, you know. Will b in my prayers, seriously
Thank you, much appreciated. God Bless. (PS I am working on some other projects that I think you will like).
5:34 Vatican II did not center the faith about man except for the man of Jesus Christ.
The Siri Thesis explains things!
At 3.56 "they(nuns) talked about equality and justice". These have nothing to do with Roman Catholicism? Can you elaborate?
Yes, good catch. I should have said "social justice." Social justice as liberals understand it is not justice. Equality, especially between men and women, has nothing to do with Catholicism, that's a liberal invention.
Again, please elaborate on the difference or differences between the "liberal invention" and the conservative invention of social justice?
Once the equality laws of the late 1960s allowed women to go to med school, law school, dental school, engineering programs in large numbers to meet government quotas changes started. Traditional women's vocations such as nursing, teaching, secretarial, and social work all suffered to include religious life. Nursing like convents continue to suffer. So don't just through stones at VC2
Bactid ,,,,,,, wrote exactly what I and the nuns were afraid of , why the hell did they disrespect our sisters what the hell , do u think this was an example of evil infiltrating our great institution?
So True! So Sad!
still on Today in NE
You can't blame Second Vatican Council. The same things are happening to Evangelical Deaconess groups or the Evangelical Sisters of Mary headquartered in Germany.
Vatican II teaches the same thing that liberal evangelical groups teach. That's the problem.
:43 as if the Catholic Church hasn’t moved liturgical feast days prior to Vatican II
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Dude, wha lt planet do you live on?
Dude. You are an example of the sophomoric arrogance of too little information. It either all went right over your head or you are a shameless sophist.
You enjoy trolling, don't you? Unfortunately, most Trads are pretty well informed.
4:47 That is 100% false and not what the council did.
It's 100% Right. Vat 2 is a man-centered ,anti catholic council that has no legitimacy in the traditional teaching of 2 thousand yrs of catholic thought.
7:04 Vatican Ii does not teach man has a right to follow false gods.
That is not a teaching of the council, what not does teach is individuals have a right to form their conscience and follow after the truth without cohereion by the state.
Be sure to watch my video and read my article at catholicesquire.org/vatican-ii-errors-religious-freedom/ on that. Vatican 2 teaches the state has no authority to limit the public expression of false religion BECAUSE every person has a natural right to practice their religion, even if false, due to their dignity as a human being.
Yes it does. Its says man has a right to believe in false religions.
4:01 Vatican IO asked religious orders to go back and rediscover the charism of the founders of religious communities in order to renew religious life,
Which is contrary to the message avoir the council you are dishonestly espousing.
Vatican II did not change the substance of the faith. Not a single dogma was changed. Your premise is false .
Ok fine but how do explain the devastation in the Church since the council.? The numbers in every category have tanked. I'm a new Catholic and can see that many are too focused on just this last council and are un willing to see the terrible fruits of the modernists changing the Church in the name of the council. The new mass has weakened the faith of millions. And God has not blessed all of the work of human hands over the last 60 years. The NO churches and religious orders are aging and fading. The traditional parishes and orders are thriving. In 40 years the traditional churches will b the only ones still open.
It was a pastoral council, but it was a heretical one.
Philosophically is changed everything by instilling a false philosophy incompatible with catholic teaching.
Wrong
I used to argue the same thing. I finally realized the Novus Ordo/Conciliar Church is a different Church from the "Pre-Vatican" Church. In every aspect, there is striking contrast between the Old & the New.
5:46
Vatican IO did not raise man above God. In fact in one of its two man documents Galdaum et Spes it starts off with the words “Christ is the joy and hope of man.”
You can try and play the quote mining game all you want. I have no doubt you can copy and paste various lines from documents at Vatican 2 that are inconsistent with each other. It is necessary to deal with concepts, considering all the documents together as a whole, and draw reasonable conclusions based on what it intended to be accomplished and the words used.