I seriously don't get why so many people are hung up on the graphics being pre-rendered. They look fucking amazing. Why is it that in the land of retro and indie gaming 2D is the shit unless it's in an isometric RPG? Just baffles me.
Old Timey, graphics and art styles have such a feel to them. Definitely my favorite style. Besides pixelated but pixelated would probably fit into this category.
Perhaps its nostalga for me. But i think games like these are more beautiful and age better then full blown 3d games. A game like this requires more of my imagination, drawing me in more. It might not be as shiny looking as Skyrim or Dragon Age 3, but in 10 years it still looks as you remembered it where full 3d games tend to look very ugly compared to how you remembered. I still play the old Fallout games every now and then. There are countless of mods, among them one to play on today's resolution and nothing gets blown up in proportions. Meaning the game still looks like i remembered it to be. Where i can't play Silver anymore even though i loved the graphics back then.
I agree. Dragon Age Inquisition is a beautiful game but, I don't know...I guess is so well done that leave nothing for the imagination. Wasteland 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Shadowrun and, hell, even Diablo 3 are way more appealing for me than any, as you said, "shiny looking" modern games.
I almost always think 2D and pre-rendered game look better than modern games because they age far better. Full blown 3D games tend to put realism over art style, and even when they succeed, they only have a few years before it begins to look dated. If you focus more on art style, it's very rare for a game to age. That's why people still love playing SNES games, and why people still use pixels. Even Diablo 3 will probably look just as good 10 years from now as it is now because Blizzard put art style over realism with it's somewhat cartoonish graphics. Hell I was playing the HD remaster of Resident Evil recently and I thought the pre rendered environments looked better than ever. It was like walking through a creepy painting.
Corey Jones Aye agreed. The problem with going for realism is that you notice it faster if something is off. Lord of the Rings Online looked amazing when it came out...that is...the world looked amazing. The characters looked horrible, they looked like plastic cause the world itself was crafted so realisticly. World of Warcraft went for the cartoony style so that aged much better back then. Sure it reached a point where it was just really ugly as well but Lord of the Rings Online was looking like that very fast as you begin to notice things much faster then when the art style is more drawn/cartoony.
I think there are times though when people try to go for realism and as it ages it almost morphs into it's own art style that prevents it from ever being ugly or out of date. A prime example would be Morrowind which many would say has aged horribly and as far as realism goes, it has But I still play the hell out of it and I often feel like I'm exploring a painting which I didn't really feel as a kid, but now as Oblivion and Skyrim are ageing before my eyes, Morrowind continues to charm me. Even Final Fantasy VII continues to have a charm over later releases because I can't help but find the Lego-esque look of the game kind of cute. Whereas FFVIII just looks old FFVII has a unique look to it that kind of makes it timeless in my opinion.
Corey Jones Oh gameplay over graphics any time. Though sometimes a game has aged so much that its painful. Cause you have such good memories about it and suddenly you see how it looks like again and it begins to ruin your memory. With Morrowwind you have a great and deep RPG going on so that would distract me enough from the dated graphics. Also helps that they got a really nice graphics mod that gives it the graphics from Oblivion (Moroblivion or something its called). But i play plenty of old games and still loving the looks of it. Like NOX (westwoods awnser to Diablo and in my eyes a much better game). And Pixel art always been a weakspot for me so old SNES games and such i still love to see.
yes, there are games wich are more beautiful with a fixed camera like this one, it would be a drag to have to turn the camera angle in a 3D environment, i love how this way you can appreciate everything at once. your comment reminded me of final fantasy 9 wich is gorgeous to me
this game tries to emulate the ie games from the early 2000's but it just feels so sophisticated. the pre-rendered backgrounds are crisp and beautiful, the mechanics are deep, reading the text sometimes feels as if you're reading tolkien, and edér is like the best companion ever, he saved my ass countless times.
Exactly! You can't judge a game on its art style, you can judge on graphical fidelety though. If I make a game that looks like a water colour painting you can't deduct points for the art style. If it looks like a really shitty water colour painting, you can deduct review points.
You can if the art style is awful. Which is not the case in this game. The art design is quite beautiful. I think he meant graphics, animation and effects.... that is not art design it self... just an element of it.
Yeah I don't understand that point, not only is this meant to look like an Infinity engine game from 15 years ago, but I mean, the game looks beautiful anyways.
I've played for a couple of hours, and it's not bad. Pretty standard fare for this type of game, so if you like games like this BG, NWN, you will like it a lot - there's a great balance between streamlining the old shitty ways of doing things you have to do all the time, and keeping the feel of it being a (kinda) challenging RPG. I'm playing on normal, and it's fairly unforgiving of any mistakes.
This game is SO fun for those of us who fondly remember Baldur’s Gate ... I only wish a user could pan the camera around from any angle and zoom in even further for seeing the cool battle animations
To be honest it's a top shelf RPG, it's as good as reading a decent book. Most of the Forgotten Realms RPGs were amazing, apart from NWN2, which lacked the atmosphere alot. This one is a pearl in it's genere. Thank You Obsidian. Please do not download game, buy it - show u apreciate their work.
10/10 oops . . . 9/10 cause' "dated art style" -IGN really IGN? The Art designs is beautiful and it will be age better than most common 3D games. Even if you play this on the next 5 years or so it's still relatively beautiful.
Same! I didn't even a know this game existed. It looks so much like Baldur's Gate! Looks like I'll be getting this instead of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 for the time being.
I got this game for $15 on PC. Played about 20 hours, then got stuck. But the Switch version has me intrigued. Waiting on some more reviews to come through for the Switch version....
I haven't started it yet because I can't decide on a character to create (as usual for me in these CRPGs) but I've seen this game is getting very good reviews from around the world. Hopefully it makes Obsidian a lot of cash and gives them a jolt of resources to start their next project. Who knows, maybe it'll be a sequel.
I am, ive never played this series and ive never played a top down rpg. But i love skyrim and books like lord of the rings. I watched a summary video of what pillars is about and the storyline sounds so fantastic! Im thinking of playing both of these games leading up to avowed so i can get hyped for the release. My only worry is i wont be able to get into it. I generally only have been playing fps games. So im on the fence rn
@@mitchellemerson6916 Play Divinity Original Sins 2, trust me. if there's one game that would get you into this genre it's that game. it makes the Elder Scrolls feel like the Call of Duty of RPG's
@@smolpp585 i would but i just started playing pillars and i got to say im kinda hooked, the story is really interesting so far. Ill keep DOS2 in the back of my mind tho
Did you finish it and go onto play any others in the series, like : Pillars of Eternity - Royal Edition Upgrade Pack, Pillars of Eternity - The White March Part I, Pillars of Eternity - The White March Part II And final question is did you play Pillars of Eternity II and what did you think?
This game is a great lore on how the older D&D games work, as they are harder to play. For people having hard times with the Baldur's gate and Icewind dale maps, this is a great way of learning.
Comments make it so obvious this game is clearly targeted to an older public. Kids won't ever know how to appreciate this. 2 most cited reasons they don't like it being a) "Outdated" graphics and b) too much text (lore and dialogs are very well written btw) .... My c) would be, this game would be too hard for them anyway since it requires brain activity, not so common anymore these days.
***** Kids those days grew up entireley differently than those these days did. We were used to having to read a lot, we were thinking graphics like BG or Might&Magic were awesome back then etc. Also, even if Pillars of Eternity is a little simplified compared to BG, I think it's still pretty complex which a lot of them won't like for the reasons you've already mentioned.
pillars of eternity imaginary qualities. While I can say for sure that pillars of eternity 2 deadfire is expanding the first game in every level. Graphics gameplay character design world build etc etc it doesn't have the same nostalgia feeling as the first one. Of course one can argue that the first is build to be the next Boulder's gate re creation in 2015 with the same game elements and world design and difficulty. but what makes the first game special is as I already said the feeling of 1999 games in modern time more than that the game has design of pause and think tactic which is rare in games with this nature. It's an isematric rpg who you really need to think deep about combat desition. the amazing art beauty that combine the old and the new works so well not to mention the architecture Of semi middle ages style and it all goes so well with the game would build. in a strategic point of view Poe 1 makes sense very much with support roles characters that can give boost of resistance endurance on so on it's very much fun to keep the wizard behind and make a warrior stronger and beat the enemies while using the wizard 's own Magic's. in the heart of Poe 1 there's a great thought about philosophy and spiritually what are dreams ? is one egsaple while the main character is a watcher who can read others souls give the game his inpact on questions human ask in the real world. what if we could do that for real? what are the outcomes of that unique ability mean for the understanding life it self? Poe 1 isn't just another rpg it has depth .that is rare to see the world always create new ways to carrest you as a player like the felling of having a castle who you need to get buisness working and the influence on the world and your companions with the choices the do in the castle makes you feel like it's actual fun work. this is of course just one of many imaginative qualities the game has. also the combat is very complicated and fun in the same time learning from your own mistaks reposition your specific character like warrior in flanking position with a strength potion and a magic support from the wizard carrest you to go on and on with more possibilities the game offers in every new quest.
Lol that "con" that the review presented was like the first thing that got me excited to spend the next 3h playing the game when I installed it. I just love that they went for the "old school" look!
Ok, I can accept a score of 9.0, with good reason, many people seem to agree and disagree but art style/Graphics should only lower the score of the game IF it intrudes on the game play. A good example of art style intruding on game play would be graphical bugs (Example: The Graphical bugs in Assassins Creed Unity) otherwise I do not see how graphical quality should lower a games score. Again I am fine with a 9.0 with good reason, a game that I really like, Dwarf Fortress, uses text based graphics......... Now a way you can actually lower the score of a game like that with text based graphics is if it is hard for people to comprehend (Which is a problem most people had with Dwarf Fortress) Though an example of a REALLY popular game that does not have the best graphics is, Minecraft. Minecraft is a excellent example (If you like it) that game play rules over Art Style/Graphics. In my opinion Story and Game Play are what matters most. Though IGN are also allowed to have their own opinions, I just wish it would have been a better excuse to lower the game score by a whole point. In retrospect, I am still pretty happy at how well the game has been doing and how well it has been received by the gaming community.
I’m playing this in 2020 after attempting to play Baldur’s Gate EE and the graphics aren’t even close. It looks perfectly fine. And comparing it to DOS is a poor comparison. DOS gives a cartoonish slapstick vibe, at least to me. PoE feels closer to IE High Fantasy with significantly upgraded graphics. If I could get the Icewind Dale Series with PoE graphics (and 144hz vs. the 30 hz Baldur’s EE), I would be very happyZ
I know POi got great potential but the amount of text in documents and dialogue is crazy... and no voice.. unlike divinity where the dialogue is simplified like everydays conversation.. i guess thats why POi deadfire doent sold well even if the game as an rpg and lore heavy game is a masterpice... they should make less reading and combine with audio .. its better and more intuitive.. and give freedom to be creative in combat just like original sin games
Let's get one thing straight (graphics don't make a video game) - it's all about the gameplay and clearly Pillars of Eternity pass the test in that department. The Order: 1886 is one of the best graphically looking games to ever be developed and definitely a lackluster video game experience.
I never got into this genre as a kid because I was a console pleb and JRPG freak on my classic PlayStation growing up. When the next gen hit I did play and love Kotor and Jade Empire a lot. Because I was a broke kid who played the same game over and over a dozen times, and they lend themselves well to that. Sunk probably 110-120 hours into ME1, and then 500 into DA:O/A (Is probably my favorite game of all time if I take away my little kid ps1 JRPG nostalgia). I've tried to go back and get into Baldur's Gate because I loved Bioware so much, but I remember having resolution problems and not getting to a point where everything started to "click" (had the same problem with DA:I at first, was terribly bored until I started to love it at "In Your Heart Shall Burn"). Would anyone give it a big thumbs up recommendation with that in mind? Price is still pretty high on Steam, but I am really RPG hungry.
I literally bought this game today without knowing anything about it, for the simple fact that I was drawn towards the art style. I saw a short glimpse of the game in a little 30 second trailer on Facebook and was inspired instantly. I'm building a game with my brothers that is a Medieval fantasy and knew I'd enjoy taking some inspiration from this game after seeing that trailer. Still haven't played it yet because of work, but I will first thing tomorrow. Can't wait.
I loves this games when i was a teenager. i'm 27 now. So, tried to play Original Sin, and felt bored to say the truth, but hey guys, what about Pillars of Eternity?
I currently have to decide between Divinity: Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity & Ice Wind Dale - Enhanced and would like to hear your thoughts about it. • It should be my very first CRPG, so keep that in mind • I think the graphics and battle systsm of Divinity look best • But the talk- and personality-system of PoE seems to be much bolder, what I find to be very important What are the huge differences (apart from the obvious of course) and which should I buy as a beginner? _[Edit] Finally I decided on Pillars of Eternity, as I love more serious games than the funny ones. Played six hours since yesterday and so far I love the atmosphere and writing/story; let's see whether the 'old' gameplay-style can keep me interested for the next hours..._
Out of those? Divinity has a slow start, but after it picks up it´s a really nice game with plenty of stuff to experiment with. Plot is pretty humorous (there is a buckload of sarcasm and pokes thrown at fairy tales and roleplaying games). Combat is reasonably challenging and complex, using turn based system. Also has a physics system where you can move items around the place for tactical purposes or searching areas and such. PoE is a very serious game, humor has been so far pretty much non-existent. It does have a lot of high quality prose to read and listen to, so this is merely a stylistical difference. Enemies on hard difficulty are pretty buff, but most fights boil down to keeping "aggro" on tank. Melee combat gets bit messy when a lot of enemies are surging the party simultaneously. Combat is real time with frequent pausing to issue new commands. IWD is a combat centric game. Plot is pretty thin and is mostly just there to keep the player moving from one fighting area to next. It is quite challenging and I would not necessarily recommend it as a first 2nd edition AD&D computer RPG. Baldur`s Game 1 and 2 would be better start to learn the system inside out and leave IWD games for later.
Oh dear. A painting just sold for $450 million, despite being 500 years old, and yet some people are still whining about stuff being 'dated'. Get your act together.
I like this more. Divinity original sin was too whimsical and funny for my taste. This however takes itself more seriously but still retains self awareness so it isn't too over board.
How does xp work in the first pillars of eternity? I picked a lock and the combat log said I got 10xp. But when I check character sheet it says I only have 6/1000 experience. I have one person in my party by the way, calisca. Please help.
Kotor 2 was cool cause if u went dark or light side your followers look would differ depending on attitude toward main player. I thought dos2 was hard on normal. Play on hard & it's easy. Some rpgs just tk getting arse kicked till mechanics r learned.
Having "dated art style" is the dumbest thing i have ever seen come out of IGN. It's pretty much the god dman point of even making this game, they wanted to make it look like the GOOD old RPG's. IGN u are seriously spiraling downwards, the stuff u come up with sometimes is hands down patchetic.
I`m more worried when they give poor scores to good games. Like 5.9 to A:I, which was probably the biggest review face-plant of last year. I do agree that graphics of this game are actually very nice, there´s a lot of detail in backgrounds and magic effects look pretty nice.
They didn't say that the art style was dated, they said that the technical fidelity of the visuals were dated. And that is a fair point. I mean look at Divinity Original Sin, that game looks gorgeous and it's an homage to games like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment. I mean, isn't the point of resurrecting such games to give them shiny new coats of paint to make them feel modern and relevant again? Not everything has to be done to satisfy grizzled nerds in their forties who still spend everyday squinting at the old school RPGs they have been playing since their college days; no offense to anyone out there who does that, just sayin'. And to be fair they did give the game a 9.0 out of 10, so if you love this game, there's hardly anything to be angry about with this review.
It has dated graphics and you can not deny it, yes developers intentionally did that just so the game feels more old school, but not everyone is gonna like that and you also have to take that in consideration
Lega, are u serious? Not everyone is gonna like ANYTHING, thats the way it is. Whatever grapic artstyle u go for, u have to take it into consideration then. some ppl dont like pixelart, some ppl dont even like 3d. Its not reason to even mention as a point. IGN is utter shit, pure and simple, the review buisness is what it is anyway, very ugly. It used to be a clean system where they play the game, and they rate it by their experiences. Now they rate by how much money they get beforehand by the develoeprs of said game. 9.0 is good, this game deserves a 9, because its not perfect, but to be honest i couldnt really care less about what IGN thinks. They have done some seriously bad reviews on good games the past couple of years. Gamespot is no better, and im giving these sites 5-10 years before they will vanish, because, there are more reliable sources for reviews out there now, like honest youtubers,curators and so on.
I was a little disappointed at the variety of weapons and how some do not boost stats too much or how some of them are pretty much the same thing and i am aware of the enchanting system thank you very much
Finally something that brings RPG back to its roots- something worth playing after Baldur's Gate series! Can't wait to test this. And I can't believe you took graphics as a con here, but I guess people just like flashy 3d stuff nowdays, without appreciating the actual art and imagination rpg by default expects you to have.
Oh sure, compare the game's graphics with whatever poisons the market and you call "triple A games". A story is at the core of each game. This game has fantastic writing style and skill, its like reading Tolkien's books, full of detail and content that won't even start to make you feel bored in the slightest as you delve into each person's soul. Everyone is hooked up on how well the graphics look and whatever things they prop up to subtly suggest that they own a strong gaming PC. I paid 60$ for this game and I do NOT regret it, it was 10-15$ more expensive than DAI but the story Pillars of Eternity has makes it more than a match for DAI, and its a classic 2D game story strong while DAI has to fix the broken story from its predecessor DA2
Thanks a lot for the info. I think I'll pass on this one for a while. I gave Planetscape Torment a try a while ago and felt buried by the text. I look at a screen all day, reading from it while I'm playing games is a bit too much for me :)
Cody Konior If you didn't enjoy planescape: torment, then you probably won't like this either: more of it is voiced than PST but there's A LOT of text as well. Also it's made by the same people : some say this game is a homage to Baldur's Gate. But in my opinion it's MUCH closer to Torment. The setting is more "ordinary" than Torment but the writing is very similar. It's MUCH deeper than Baldur's Gate.
Great game, though has plenty of room for improvement. The level 12 cap is disappointingly low, adra dragon is op, no tactic's/behavior screen, many of the NPC personal quests IMHO aren't satisfying, to name a few. That being said I am still waiting with anticipation for the planned expansion.
It's always night in this game, so annoying. Have to travel back and forth in order to explore in daylight. A simple switch to make it daylight all the time would be right up my alley.
I've been playing it and thus so far I loooove it! I'm a big RPG guy, and pillars of eternity really scratches my itch. It reminds me a lot of actual D&D. Hands down I'd recommend it. Hopefully you'll enjoy it :)
would i like this? i mean, i can never finish games such as dragon age origins or skyrim, but i like them nevertheless. Soo, do u guys reckon i should try it?
How much of the game is voiced/narrated? I find a big deal breaker for me immersion wise, is giant walls of text. I love books and such, but one of the big reasons I would play a game like this is to have the story told to me.
I find it funny this game is proclaimed "Looking a bit old" when some indiegames who are simply indie-shit who looks like Atari is seen as a homeage and "nice nostalgia" to ancient times.
Did you ignore what he said before and after that one phrase? He explained why he said it and what he meant, and it made damn good sense. You're acting like he insulted the whole game or something. Or gave it a shit score. He did neither of those things. Calm your tits, bro.
Except that Divinity: Original Sin, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, etc. all exist, and have been successful, so Pillars is not a one hit wonder. Plus, there are more of these kinds of games coming later this years, notably Torment: Tides of Numenera, and Sword Coast Legends.
Well, if you want games that don't treat you like a mentally challenged kid, get a PC. There are plenty, new and older ones. Such games are extremely rare on consoles, however.
I finally started playing this after owning the game for more than 5 years. What a great game.
me2...lol! just started to playing it on Hard mode! lets gooooo :D
I seriously don't get why so many people are hung up on the graphics being pre-rendered. They look fucking amazing. Why is it that in the land of retro and indie gaming 2D is the shit unless it's in an isometric RPG? Just baffles me.
Xelpherpolis the pre-rendered graphics look amazing
Xelpherpolis lol i know right.
You know what? "Dated art style" is actually a plus for me
ow hell yes **sweats in weak graphics card**
@@cyberducc And smaller download
Old Timey, graphics and art styles have such a feel to them. Definitely my favorite style. Besides pixelated but pixelated would probably fit into this category.
@Mirrodin82 so true a simpler time
Perhaps its nostalga for me. But i think games like these are more beautiful and age better then full blown 3d games. A game like this requires more of my imagination, drawing me in more. It might not be as shiny looking as Skyrim or Dragon Age 3, but in 10 years it still looks as you remembered it where full 3d games tend to look very ugly compared to how you remembered.
I still play the old Fallout games every now and then. There are countless of mods, among them one to play on today's resolution and nothing gets blown up in proportions. Meaning the game still looks like i remembered it to be. Where i can't play Silver anymore even though i loved the graphics back then.
I agree. Dragon Age Inquisition is a beautiful game but, I don't know...I guess is so well done that leave nothing for the imagination. Wasteland 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Shadowrun and, hell, even Diablo 3 are way more appealing for me than any, as you said, "shiny looking" modern games.
I almost always think 2D and pre-rendered game look better than modern games because they age far better. Full blown 3D games tend to put realism over art style, and even when they succeed, they only have a few years before it begins to look dated. If you focus more on art style, it's very rare for a game to age. That's why people still love playing SNES games, and why people still use pixels. Even Diablo 3 will probably look just as good 10 years from now as it is now because Blizzard put art style over realism with it's somewhat cartoonish graphics. Hell I was playing the HD remaster of Resident Evil recently and I thought the pre rendered environments looked better than ever. It was like walking through a creepy painting.
Corey Jones
Aye agreed. The problem with going for realism is that you notice it faster if something is off. Lord of the Rings Online looked amazing when it came out...that is...the world looked amazing. The characters looked horrible, they looked like plastic cause the world itself was crafted so realisticly. World of Warcraft went for the cartoony style so that aged much better back then. Sure it reached a point where it was just really ugly as well but Lord of the Rings Online was looking like that very fast as you begin to notice things much faster then when the art style is more drawn/cartoony.
I think there are times though when people try to go for realism and as it ages it almost morphs into it's own art style that prevents it from ever being ugly or out of date. A prime example would be Morrowind which many would say has aged horribly and as far as realism goes, it has But I still play the hell out of it and I often feel like I'm exploring a painting which I didn't really feel as a kid, but now as Oblivion and Skyrim are ageing before my eyes, Morrowind continues to charm me. Even Final Fantasy VII continues to have a charm over later releases because I can't help but find the Lego-esque look of the game kind of cute. Whereas FFVIII just looks old FFVII has a unique look to it that kind of makes it timeless in my opinion.
Corey Jones
Oh gameplay over graphics any time. Though sometimes a game has aged so much that its painful. Cause you have such good memories about it and suddenly you see how it looks like again and it begins to ruin your memory. With Morrowwind you have a great and deep RPG going on so that would distract me enough from the dated graphics. Also helps that they got a really nice graphics mod that gives it the graphics from Oblivion (Moroblivion or something its called).
But i play plenty of old games and still loving the looks of it. Like NOX (westwoods awnser to Diablo and in my eyes a much better game). And Pixel art always been a weakspot for me so old SNES games and such i still love to see.
The [re rendered backgrounds are a huge plus in my book. Something about that style is timeless to me.
yes, there are games wich are more beautiful with a fixed camera like this one, it would be a drag to have to turn the camera angle in a 3D environment, i love how this way you can appreciate everything at once.
your comment reminded me of final fantasy 9 wich is gorgeous to me
this game tries to emulate the ie games from the early 2000's but it just feels so sophisticated. the pre-rendered backgrounds are crisp and beautiful, the mechanics are deep, reading the text sometimes feels as if you're reading tolkien, and edér is like the best companion ever, he saved my ass countless times.
Once again obsidian shows they have a great deal of talent! Now EA do us all a favor and let them create KOTOR 3
Obsidian shows they can accomplish great thing when they are not held down by a publsiher
"quick!, someone!, find obsidian a publisher!"
what?
joseaca how else would they be able to create kotor 3 without one? clown
BigPiece Sorry Don't put EA anywhere near Obsidian, thanks.
BigPiece KOTOR belongs to bioware
EthanG298 kotor 2 was made by obsidian...
Dated art style??? You mean graphics!! There is a big distinction!
Exactly! You can't judge a game on its art style, you can judge on graphical fidelety though. If I make a game that looks like a water colour painting you can't deduct points for the art style. If it looks like a really shitty water colour painting, you can deduct review points.
You can if the art style is awful. Which is not the case in this game. The art design is quite beautiful. I think he meant graphics, animation and effects.... that is not art design it self... just an element of it.
Yeah I don't understand that point, not only is this meant to look like an Infinity engine game from 15 years ago, but I mean, the game looks beautiful anyways.
yarimo cell shade is awful. But still great. You can't deduct points for style.
cell shade is awful? You mean Cel Shade on 3D or traditional cel shade?
dated art style? really IGN? It should be a 9.5/10 and the negative should be -dated but acceptable graphics. Dated art style is an insult.
How about listen to the review instead of complaining about the wording of a pro/con list.
I've played for a couple of hours, and it's not bad. Pretty standard fare for this type of game, so if you like games like this BG, NWN, you will like it a lot - there's a great balance between streamlining the old shitty ways of doing things you have to do all the time, and keeping the feel of it being a (kinda) challenging RPG. I'm playing on normal, and it's fairly unforgiving of any mistakes.
This game is SO fun for those of us who fondly remember Baldur’s Gate ... I only wish a user could pan the camera around from any angle and zoom in even further for seeing the cool battle animations
To be honest it's a top shelf RPG, it's as good as reading a decent book. Most of the Forgotten Realms RPGs were amazing, apart from NWN2, which lacked the atmosphere alot. This one is a pearl in it's genere. Thank You Obsidian. Please do not download game, buy it - show u apreciate their work.
10/10 oops . . . 9/10 cause' "dated art style" -IGN
really IGN? The Art designs is beautiful and it will be age better than most common 3D games. Even if you play this on the next 5 years or so it's still relatively beautiful.
Even the music in this review was great. Can't wait to get my hands on this game.
Here because of the Switch release date announcement :)
Same! I didn't even a know this game existed. It looks so much like Baldur's Gate! Looks like I'll be getting this instead of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 for the time being.
I got this game for $15 on PC. Played about 20 hours, then got stuck. But the Switch version has me intrigued. Waiting on some more reviews to come through for the Switch version....
I haven't started it yet because I can't decide on a character to create (as usual for me in these CRPGs) but I've seen this game is getting very good reviews from around the world. Hopefully it makes Obsidian a lot of cash and gives them a jolt of resources to start their next project. Who knows, maybe it'll be a sequel.
Cue 8 years later and Obsidian is making Skyrim like game in Eora.
Who’s here after Avowed was announced
I am, ive never played this series and ive never played a top down rpg. But i love skyrim and books like lord of the rings. I watched a summary video of what pillars is about and the storyline sounds so fantastic! Im thinking of playing both of these games leading up to avowed so i can get hyped for the release. My only worry is i wont be able to get into it. I generally only have been playing fps games. So im on the fence rn
@@mitchellemerson6916 Play Divinity Original Sins 2, trust me. if there's one game that would get you into this genre it's that game. it makes the Elder Scrolls feel like the Call of Duty of RPG's
@@smolpp585 i would but i just started playing pillars and i got to say im kinda hooked, the story is really interesting so far. Ill keep DOS2 in the back of my mind tho
Been playing it for 34 hours now and loving every minute of it.
Did you finish it and go onto play any others in the series, like : Pillars of Eternity - Royal Edition Upgrade Pack, Pillars of Eternity - The White March Part I, Pillars of Eternity - The White March Part II
And final question is did you play Pillars of Eternity II and what did you think?
@@BuggSmasher 5 years🙄
Amazing game, spent few hours and I'm already satisfied.
informative, short and thorough. Just what I want from a review, thanks.
This game is a great lore on how the older D&D games work, as they are harder to play. For people having hard times with the Baldur's gate and Icewind dale maps, this is a great way of learning.
Love the older looking graphics
Comments make it so obvious this game is clearly targeted to an older public. Kids won't ever know how to appreciate this. 2 most cited reasons they don't like it being a) "Outdated" graphics and b) too much text (lore and dialogs are very well written btw) .... My c) would be, this game would be too hard for them anyway since it requires brain activity, not so common anymore these days.
*****
Kids those days grew up entireley differently than those these days did. We were used to having to read a lot, we were thinking graphics like BG or Might&Magic were awesome back then etc. Also, even if Pillars of Eternity is a little simplified compared to BG, I think it's still pretty complex which a lot of them won't like for the reasons you've already mentioned.
pillars of eternity imaginary qualities. While I can say for sure that pillars of eternity 2 deadfire is expanding the first game in every level. Graphics gameplay character design world build etc etc it doesn't have the same nostalgia feeling as the first one. Of course one can argue that the first is build to be the next Boulder's gate re creation in 2015 with the same game elements and world design and difficulty. but what makes the first game special is as I already said the feeling of 1999 games in modern time more than that the game has design of pause and think tactic which is rare in games with this nature. It's an isematric rpg who you really need to think deep about combat desition. the amazing art beauty that combine the old and the new works so well not to mention the architecture
Of semi middle ages style and it all goes
so well with the game would build.
in a strategic point of view Poe 1 makes sense very much with support roles characters that can give boost of resistance endurance on so on it's very much fun to keep the wizard behind and make a warrior stronger and beat the enemies while using the wizard 's own Magic's. in the heart of Poe 1 there's a great thought about philosophy and spiritually what are dreams ? is one egsaple while the main character is a watcher who can read others souls give the game his inpact on questions human ask in the real world. what if we could do that for real? what are the outcomes of that unique ability mean for the understanding life it self?
Poe 1 isn't just another rpg it has depth
.that is rare to see
the world always create new ways to carrest you as a player like the felling of having a castle who you need to get buisness working and the influence on the world and your companions with the choices the do in the castle makes you feel like it's actual fun work. this is of course just one of many imaginative qualities the game has. also the combat is very complicated and fun in the same time learning from your own mistaks reposition your specific character like warrior in flanking position with a strength potion and a magic support from the wizard carrest you to go on and on with more possibilities the game offers in every new quest.
Dated art style?
That's more of a plus for me -
It reminds us of what we had back then - and - it's part of the game's charm
Lol that "con" that the review presented was like the first thing that got me excited to spend the next 3h playing the game when I installed it. I just love that they went for the "old school" look!
Nice
If you're a Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter Nights fan, you MUST play this game. It's absolutely amazing. Great review, btw!
Ok, I can accept a score of 9.0, with good reason, many people seem to agree and disagree but art style/Graphics should only lower the score of the game IF it intrudes on the game play. A good example of art style intruding on game play would be graphical bugs (Example: The Graphical bugs in Assassins Creed Unity) otherwise I do not see how graphical quality should lower a games score.
Again I am fine with a 9.0 with good reason, a game that I really like, Dwarf Fortress, uses text based graphics......... Now a way you can actually lower the score of a game like that with text based graphics is if it is hard for people to comprehend (Which is a problem most people had with Dwarf Fortress) Though an example of a REALLY popular game that does not have the best graphics is, Minecraft. Minecraft is a excellent example (If you like it) that game play rules over Art Style/Graphics. In my opinion Story and Game Play are what matters most.
Though IGN are also allowed to have their own opinions, I just wish it would have been a better excuse to lower the game score by a whole point. In retrospect, I am still pretty happy at how well the game has been doing and how well it has been received by the gaming community.
Neil Gaiman as Dungeon Master? Done. Just bought the game.
I have an ancient computer so the old style graphics are perfect for me 😂😂
I’m playing this in 2020 after attempting to play Baldur’s Gate EE and the graphics aren’t even close. It looks perfectly fine. And comparing it to DOS is a poor comparison. DOS gives a cartoonish slapstick vibe, at least to me. PoE feels closer to IE High Fantasy with significantly upgraded graphics. If I could get the Icewind Dale Series with PoE graphics (and 144hz vs. the 30 hz Baldur’s EE), I would be very happyZ
I know POi got great potential but the amount of text in documents and dialogue is crazy... and no voice.. unlike divinity where the dialogue is simplified like everydays conversation.. i guess thats why POi deadfire doent sold well even if the game as an rpg and lore heavy game is a masterpice... they should make less reading and combine with audio .. its better and more intuitive.. and give freedom to be creative in combat just like original sin games
What's the music at 2:20? Is it in the OST of the game?
Looks like I traveled back in time to the 90's.
Is that a bad thing?
No... I was just being a smart ass, since it said no comment(s). I thought saying something other than, first :P
NFLDude56 Divinity did it right. It looked like 2014 from the graphics AND gameplay but had the style and genre. This is a 90's game in HD.
NFLDude56 Fallout 4 isometric crpg pls ?
Ville Nummisalo yeah but it was like a light rpg
Let's get one thing straight (graphics don't make a video game) - it's all about the gameplay and clearly Pillars of Eternity pass the test in that department. The Order: 1886 is one of the best graphically looking games to ever be developed and definitely a lackluster video game experience.
IGN writer that published a good, intelligent review.
(walks outside....take me game gods!)
Why didnt this go into review in progress..
I never got into this genre as a kid because I was a console pleb and JRPG freak on my classic PlayStation growing up. When the next gen hit I did play and love Kotor and Jade Empire a lot. Because I was a broke kid who played the same game over and over a dozen times, and they lend themselves well to that. Sunk probably 110-120 hours into ME1, and then 500 into DA:O/A (Is probably my favorite game of all time if I take away my little kid ps1 JRPG nostalgia).
I've tried to go back and get into Baldur's Gate because I loved Bioware so much, but I remember having resolution problems and not getting to a point where everything started to "click" (had the same problem with DA:I at first, was terribly bored until I started to love it at "In Your Heart Shall Burn").
Would anyone give it a big thumbs up recommendation with that in mind? Price is still pretty high on Steam, but I am really RPG hungry.
I literally bought this game today without knowing anything about it, for the simple fact that I was drawn towards the art style. I saw a short glimpse of the game in a little 30 second trailer on Facebook and was inspired instantly. I'm building a game with my brothers that is a Medieval fantasy and knew I'd enjoy taking some inspiration from this game after seeing that trailer. Still haven't played it yet because of work, but I will first thing tomorrow. Can't wait.
Sir Fortesque76 // So did you like the game? And what happened to your game?
I loves this games when i was a teenager. i'm 27 now. So, tried to play Original Sin, and felt bored to say the truth, but hey guys, what about Pillars of Eternity?
I picked this series up BECAUSE of its graphics
I currently have to decide between Divinity: Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity & Ice Wind Dale - Enhanced and would like to hear your thoughts about it.
• It should be my very first CRPG, so keep that in mind
• I think the graphics and battle systsm of Divinity look best
• But the talk- and personality-system of PoE seems to be much bolder, what I find to be very important
What are the huge differences (apart from the obvious of course) and which should I buy as a beginner?
_[Edit] Finally I decided on Pillars of Eternity, as I love more serious games than the funny ones. Played six hours since yesterday and so far I love the atmosphere and writing/story; let's see whether the 'old' gameplay-style can keep me interested for the next hours..._
Go for the Baldur's Gate 2 EE, then you'll buy all of them ;)
Out of those?
Divinity has a slow start, but after it picks up it´s a really nice game with plenty of stuff to experiment with. Plot is pretty humorous (there is a buckload of sarcasm and pokes thrown at fairy tales and roleplaying games). Combat is reasonably challenging and complex, using turn based system. Also has a physics system where you can move items around the place for tactical purposes or searching areas and such.
PoE is a very serious game, humor has been so far pretty much non-existent. It does have a lot of high quality prose to read and listen to, so this is merely a stylistical difference. Enemies on hard difficulty are pretty buff, but most fights boil down to keeping "aggro" on tank. Melee combat gets bit messy when a lot of enemies are surging the party simultaneously. Combat is real time with frequent pausing to issue new commands.
IWD is a combat centric game. Plot is pretty thin and is mostly just there to keep the player moving from one fighting area to next. It is quite challenging and I would not necessarily recommend it as a first 2nd edition AD&D computer RPG. Baldur`s Game 1 and 2 would be better start to learn the system inside out and leave IWD games for later.
You really can't go wrong with whatever you choose. I hope you get to play them all in time.
azulral I bought Pillars of Eternity a few hours ago and play it right now :)
Games like these are what makes PC master race, not stupid CoD or BF running on 60fps
Cons: dated art style? Thats a pro buddy, it looks great.
Oh dear. A painting just sold for $450 million, despite being 500 years old, and yet some people are still whining about stuff being 'dated'. Get your act together.
coming here after reading BLOOD SWEAT AND PIXELS
Max narrating this makes me realize how much I miss him actually reviewing games.
Two amazing games in one month, Cities: Skylines and Pillars of Eternity.
"Dated art style" shouldn't be a con really, the game is meant to look like old school crpgs.
Cons: Dated art style.....
Are you fucking killing me IGN? But it looks beautiful!!!
I do like a good challenge, so i think i'll love this game.
Nice ending 👌 cool lil scene to end things off. Good review to, thanx.
7.8 / 10 too much RPG
This comment 8.7 / 10, not enough original
Weaksauceization this comment 10/10 best storyline evar
11/10 we got paid to write this
is this better than Divinity orignal sin??
***** the graphics r kind of putting me off..they look way too dated :/
i personally enjoyed divinity orignal sin alot so had high hopes for this.
***** yes, because you get to playover 80hours of non-repetitive questing and exploring. You don't pay all that for the graphic alone, dummy.
***** sorry, sheep.
play both
I like this more. Divinity original sin was too whimsical and funny for my taste. This however takes itself more seriously but still retains self awareness so it isn't too over board.
halo5 hype is real!!! #SpreadTheWord
How does xp work in the first pillars of eternity? I picked a lock and the combat log said I got 10xp. But when I check character sheet it says I only have 6/1000 experience. I have one person in my party by the way, calisca. Please help.
Kotor 2 was cool cause if u went dark or light side your followers look would differ depending on attitude toward main player. I thought dos2 was hard on normal. Play on hard & it's easy. Some rpgs just tk getting arse kicked till mechanics r learned.
Here to check out this free game
whats the music that plays at the beginning?
It's the RPG renaissance!
Having "dated art style" is the dumbest thing i have ever seen come out of IGN. It's pretty much the god dman point of even making this game, they wanted to make it look like the GOOD old RPG's. IGN u are seriously spiraling downwards, the stuff u come up with sometimes is hands down patchetic.
I`m more worried when they give poor scores to good games. Like 5.9 to A:I, which was probably the biggest review face-plant of last year. I do agree that graphics of this game are actually very nice, there´s a lot of detail in backgrounds and magic effects look pretty nice.
For Pete's sake, why are people being some damn dramatic here? They gave the game a freaking 9.0. That's a great score.
They didn't say that the art style was dated, they said that the technical fidelity of the visuals were dated. And that is a fair point. I mean look at Divinity Original Sin, that game looks gorgeous and it's an homage to games like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment. I mean, isn't the point of resurrecting such games to give them shiny new coats of paint to make them feel modern and relevant again? Not everything has to be done to satisfy grizzled nerds in their forties who still spend everyday squinting at the old school RPGs they have been playing since their college days; no offense to anyone out there who does that, just sayin'. And to be fair they did give the game a 9.0 out of 10, so if you love this game, there's hardly anything to be angry about with this review.
It has dated graphics and you can not deny it, yes developers intentionally did that just so the game feels more old school, but not everyone is gonna like that and you also have to take that in consideration
Lega, are u serious? Not everyone is gonna like ANYTHING, thats the way it is. Whatever grapic artstyle u go for, u have to take it into consideration then. some ppl dont like pixelart, some ppl dont even like 3d. Its not reason to even mention as a point. IGN is utter shit, pure and simple, the review buisness is what it is anyway, very ugly.
It used to be a clean system where they play the game, and they rate it by their experiences. Now they rate by how much money they get beforehand by the develoeprs of said game.
9.0 is good, this game deserves a 9, because its not perfect, but to be honest i couldnt really care less about what IGN thinks. They have done some seriously bad reviews on good games the past couple of years. Gamespot is no better, and im giving these sites 5-10 years before they will vanish, because, there are more reliable sources for reviews out there now, like honest youtubers,curators and so on.
"80 hours"
"good story"
AM I DREAMING?
I really hope the gameplay doesn't turn me off cos I just couldn't get into Divinity and Wasteland 2... :/
dated art style? look at 1:16. it is so beautiful
I was a little disappointed at the variety of weapons and how some do not boost stats too much or how some of them are pretty much the same thing and i am aware of the enchanting system thank you very much
I just started playing this and it's very good. An archer with a lion pet... how can you beat that?
Why the developer make the game to console or ported psn
Finally something that brings RPG back to its roots- something worth playing after Baldur's Gate series! Can't wait to test this. And I can't believe you took graphics as a con here, but I guess people just like flashy 3d stuff nowdays, without appreciating the actual art and imagination rpg by default expects you to have.
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Oh sure, compare the game's graphics with whatever poisons the market and you call "triple A games". A story is at the core of each game. This game has fantastic writing style and skill, its like reading Tolkien's books, full of detail and content that won't even start to make you feel bored in the slightest as you delve into each person's soul. Everyone is hooked up on how well the graphics look and whatever things they prop up to subtly suggest that they own a strong gaming PC. I paid 60$ for this game and I do NOT regret it, it was 10-15$ more expensive than DAI but the story Pillars of Eternity has makes it more than a match for DAI, and its a classic 2D game story strong while DAI has to fix the broken story from its predecessor DA2
Wow I'm a big fan of people doing throwbacks like this, I hope it;s good.
Buys a postmodern art piece,
Calls it outdated looking,
Oh IGN, you have done it again -_-
the best review to me is the Super Bunnyhop one. great review.
I lost eder at that spider queen. if you play on hard, invest in a scout character >_
Your con is in fact a pro.
Soooo.... how bout that bloodborne review
6/10 because you guys keep asking
How much of the dialog is voiced? It looks like not much.
Don't like reading? Don't play this. Just like the old cRPG's from the 90s.
Thanks a lot for the info. I think I'll pass on this one for a while. I gave Planetscape Torment a try a while ago and felt buried by the text. I look at a screen all day, reading from it while I'm playing games is a bit too much for me :)
Cody Konior If you didn't enjoy planescape: torment, then you probably won't like this either: more of it is voiced than PST but there's A LOT of text as well. Also it's made by the same people : some say this game is a homage to Baldur's Gate. But in my opinion it's MUCH closer to Torment. The setting is more "ordinary" than Torment but the writing is very similar. It's MUCH deeper than Baldur's Gate.
Great game, though has plenty of room for improvement. The level 12 cap is disappointingly low, adra dragon is op, no tactic's/behavior screen, many of the NPC personal quests IMHO aren't satisfying, to name a few.
That being said I am still waiting with anticipation for the planned expansion.
It's always night in this game, so annoying. Have to travel back and forth in order to explore in daylight. A simple switch to make it daylight all the time would be right up my alley.
Played only an hour so far, but love it!
If you've never played a classic rpg, don't get it. Unless it's on sale.
Can't wait to play on 11 December 😇
which is better divinity or this game??
Divinity original sin or Pillar of eternity? Your opinion guys?
I'm here from the book Blood,Sweat and pixel's.
How is the story in this game compared to a stellar game like Planescape Torment? If it's half as good, I'm hooked.
IGN reviews will never be the same after THAT pokemon review.
7.8/10 - Too much combat pausing.
Nobody learns smh
Aaron Jackson Learns what?
I wonder if I'll enjoy it. I might, I might not.
You can literally say that about anything
Robbie carter lol, you're absolutely right. I said it because it has so many great reviews, yet it's been AGES since i've finished an RPG
I've been playing it and thus so far I loooove it! I'm a big RPG guy, and pillars of eternity really scratches my itch. It reminds me a lot of actual D&D. Hands down I'd recommend it. Hopefully you'll enjoy it :)
would i like this? i mean, i can never finish games such as dragon age origins or skyrim, but i like them nevertheless. Soo, do u guys reckon i should try it?
DustyFootPhilospher This game requires LOTS of reading. And it's a lot more complex than Dragon Age or Skyrim.
I'M LOVING THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great to see old school style games make a "comeback" but defiantly not worth more than $30.
How much of the game is voiced/narrated? I find a big deal breaker for me immersion wise, is giant walls of text. I love books and such, but one of the big reasons I would play a game like this is to have the story told to me.
Stay away from this game if you are not a classic PC RPG lover.
Back to Dragon Age and Skyrim for you.
raptor152 I am now 12 hours into the game. Most dialog has been voiced.
eww you don't want voice in a classic RPG this is the spiritual sucessor to Balders gate not final fantasy 13
Dated Art Style? But that's the charm!!!
Is it just me, or does review feel somewhat vague?
You know a game is good when literally the only complaint is that it doesn't look like Crisis...
Wish they had made the gameplay more like Baldurs Gate 3. Not a fan of the way they did it. Love the game just wish they’d done it more that way.
This is the power of developers without garbage publishers like EA and Activision
I find it funny this game is proclaimed "Looking a bit old" when some indiegames who are simply indie-shit who looks like Atari is seen as a homeage and "nice nostalgia" to ancient times.
This games absolutly diserves a 10.
"Dated art style"? Really???...
Did you ignore what he said before and after that one phrase? He explained why he said it and what he meant, and it made damn good sense. You're acting like he insulted the whole game or something. Or gave it a shit score. He did neither of those things. Calm your tits, bro.
My worries is gamer now a days like RPGs with more actions, like Dragon Age, Witchers. PoE maybe just a one time hit.
Except that Divinity: Original Sin, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, etc. all exist, and have been successful, so Pillars is not a one hit wonder. Plus, there are more of these kinds of games coming later this years, notably Torment: Tides of Numenera, and Sword Coast Legends.
Darkly Tranquil Also, Shadowrun: Hong Kong.
Well, if you want games that don't treat you like a mentally challenged kid, get a PC. There are plenty, new and older ones. Such games are extremely rare on consoles, however.
DJ Otterz Yeah, how did I forget that? I'm a backer for it, too.
It's a great game but the load times will make you wish you'd never been born.
Playing in 2019? You better believe it!