🚩 If you like what you see, consider supporting my work on Patreon and you get ad-free early access to my videos for as little as $1 www.patreon.com/historymarche -- You can also show your support by subscribing to the channel and liking the video. Thank you for watching. 🚩 In Britain, at the northernmost edge of the empire, Rome’s strategy for command and control failed horribly. For the first time in memory, the Roman army is in retreat and the power of Rome is questioned. The Iceni army led by Boudica has cornered the outnumbered Romans at Mancetter. The Roman general Gaius Suetonius Paulinus steels his men for the battle ahead: “Ignore the racket made by these savages. There are more women than men in their ranks. We have beaten them before and when they see our weapons and feel our spirit, they will crack. Stick together. Throw the javelins, then push forward! Knock them down with your shields and finish them off with your swords. Forget about plunder. Just win and you will have everything!”
One of the greatest defensive, pitched battles in history. I mean, imagine the adrenaline of those Romans afterwards, when it was starting to come down. Realizing 10k of them slaughtered tens and tens of thousands. Must have been one HELL of a speech from Paulinus before the battle.
Practically he only gave instructions. Of his two legions one was of fresh veterans of the campaign in Wales, and one was "vexillationes", mostly composed of "evocatii", veteran legionaries that had been given a land in Britain and had been hastily recalled for that battle (you can imagine how they could be pissed off, since they were defending their lands, homes and families). They knew what they were doing.
Rome at its height, with competent commanders must have been terrifying. This battle was an absolute slaughter. What was the legion in battle called? A meatgrinder?
i bet it was highly exaggerated by the victors and it wasn't exactly a well trained army they were against. I wonder how many women and children they slaughtered too no doubt they wrote that into the numbers they "fought" aswell
@@Garlin55 Rome's might was echoed in Britain, when she was an empire. The discipline was ridiculous. And here we are, we can't go 5 minutes without our device in our hands.
I am always impressed how the Roman sources were so willing to call out the fact that many of these wars and revolts were incited by the greed and avarice of their fellow Roman elites. ‘Create a desert and call it peace.’
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko It is actually ascribed to a Caledonian, but it was written by Tacitus, whom many believe was projecting more of his own view through a literary device.
@@celdur4635 You see it some, but most of what I see will be something like Emperor Jian, through his arrogance, fell into the enemy ambush.’ The Roman’s were particularly up front about the underlying causes…’things were peaceful and the locals were cooperative, but than Gaius and some of the other officials got greedy and made up crazy taxes, stole property on trumped up charges, and paid their soldiers with the daughters of the local people. That is why we have this mess.’ Yes, it was often written for a contemporary political agenda.
There is a fantastic critique of Boudicca by J.Draper, well worth watching. Basically 99% of what we know about all this is pure fiction, other than that multiple cities were burned down. The people who wrote about it were never actually there.
I find it laughable to see people say Boudica is one of Rome's greatest enemies. She did start a rebellion no doubt and had some success. But she mostly attacked small settlements and isolated camps. Plus the Battle of Watling Street... the only battle she ever fought saw her use a strategy that not only decimated her army but ended the rebellion with terrible redemption from the Romans. She made an effort but it hardly was a challenge.
She had no experience in combat and most of her troops were probably just rioting Britons with crude weapons. She did post a threat to ousting rome from briton as if the rebellion got too big it's a problem. But as for the fighting it was always roman favoured. The numbers of briton combatants was probably exaggerated by the Romans themselves to make her look scarier. Most of the "fighters" under her probably died of crowd crush than roman swords as a crowd had parked wagons behind the briton.
@@loowick4074 exactly what i was saying. An effective leader knows their armies and that of the enemies. She knew that the Romans despite outnumbered were severely disciplined and effective in pitched battle. Plus her army was no match for the Romans. If she knew that dhe shouldn't have attacked and if she didn't knew then the attack was stupid
@@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemyagreed. She had a better shot of using guerilla warfare akin to how other leaders employed against the Romans in the upcoming centuries and almost replicating Robert the Bruce's rebellion by using the terrain to their advantage alongside ambushing tactics to wear down the Roman forces. Rome couldn't be everywhere in Brition given how far stretch their manpower was by then.
Most overrated female in ancient history. He sacked some towns, killed a bunch of civilians, beat up a rookie legion, but when she took on a real Roman legion, she got her ass kicked, and she got it kicked good. If she would have been a man, she would have been a minor footnote in the back of some book.
@@ambjorninemyr8520Paulinus was not the commander for that defeat it was Otho’s brother Titianus. Along with the other generals Paulinus advised against marching on Cremona until other legions arrived.
She had minimum 20 000 proper warriors. Plus Britonic chariots were probably the most effective of these weapons in history (under the right Britonic commanders). Even Caesar was made a fool by Britonic chariot tactics when employed properly. If it was even a half competent Briton commander leading that battle, the Romans would have been doomed. Even in the speech of Paulinus, one can tell he was expecting to die on that day, and were minimum aiming to avoid the torturous deaths they witnessed before, in exchange for quicker more honorable deaths, and buy the mob of fleeing Roman civillans some time. But if the Romans were expelled at this point, there probably wouldn't be Anglo-Saxons on Britain, no England, no English language, no USA, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
@@JDDC-tq7qm It did not happen in England, England is a country not a landmass and England and English literally means Aenglisc, which are those Germans you talk about. The "real brits" have gotten nothing but dumped on by everyone, Romans and English.
Even if paulinus had real troops. The ratio was still crazy. I don't get why some people thinks that boudica is more dangerous than vercingetorix. Becuse the sacking of the settlements wasn't all that impresive. No competent military leader, just numbers.
Vercingetorix pulled a great maneuver, if it was any other general than caesar the Romans would have most likely lost the fight. Boudicca just screamed "waaaagh" and sent untrained fighters charging into a wall. Like an unorganised mob that big, so many would die just in the crowding and stampede
@@loowick4074 Indeed, J. Caesar made all the difference. Or so it would seem. Could Pompey have been successful? He was not slouch as a general either, and damn near beat J. Caesar.
@@andywomack3414 Pompeius actually managed to outmaneuver Caesar at some points and even at the decisive battle he was pressured to fight by his troops and officers. If he managed to pull his strategy without the influence of his officers, it's not unlikely that he would have one. Caesar clock was ticking from the very moment he landed in Greece, he was a bit cocky when he went to Greece to face Pompeius. And it's also not the only time this happened. In Britain, Spain, North Africa and Egypt the same happened. Usually he only came on top because of his battle hardened veterans from his campaign in gaul. Without those, Ceasar would have lost the civil war. And this is why i'd say that Pompeius overall was the better general, but Caesar had better troops and officers. This civil war is a good example for how valuable battle hardened veterans are. They can overcome so many obstacles, even in bad strategic situations. Especially if your opponents forces consist mainly of inexperienced troops.
"A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house" -Socrates I think this quote is very fitting for boudica's rebellion
@@RemusKingOfRome Oh grow up lol no flanking forces and no stratagy has been done my many men if you watch the channel especially barbarian type forces not to mention all the other blunders us men have made, despite your out dated veiws new studys also debunk this idea woman are super emotional not to mention emotional regulation is a different thing (not that you would comprehend such things)
I used to live in St Albans. You can still walk the roman walls and even clearly see the London gate, one larger entry for horse and cart and two smaller on either side for foot. Really cool. Verulamium is actually really small, the walls fit easily in to the city park. There is a place you can see the mosaic and under floor heating in one of the larger houses. But, what did the romans ever do for us…..? Hahaha
What do you mean by 'us'? After the Romans came the Jutes, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. The country is called England, not Albion. It's the same with the French when they speak romantically about Gaul, when their country is called after the Franks. Each of us is a mix of what history brought, and to pretend to be other is absurd. The country in which I was born had its entire male population exterminated in one point in history by an invasion of a tribe of the east. Do I say that my people was exterminated by barbarians? No, because I am surely descendant in part or completely of those invaders.
@@Verbindungs hahaha Im aware. You’ve never heard the famous saying in England “what did the romans ever do for us?” Its in Monty Pythons Life of Brian. It’s generally followed by a long list of all the things the romans did for “us”, the us being the uk in general. So take a big step down off that very high horse and put the keyboard away. Hahaha.
Boudica's greatest error was to allow herself to get pulled into a battle on a battlefield the Romans were comfortable to offer battle. Rome's legions were not insurmountable but fighting the Romans on their terms and on ground the famous legions could deploy and fight as intended was madness.
I was teaching my children about the battle yesterday as we drove down Watling street and how we share our surname with the famous street. How fitting you then made an awesome video about it!!
> revolt against one of the mightiest empire. > Destroy bunch of cities and killed thousands of Innocent civilians. > faced a real army which she out numbered heavily. > lost the battle. > referenced to elaborate. > dies. > Thousands of years later people made her an “icon” by using the female card.
A woman whose daughters were raped in front of her resolved to fight a war she most likely knew was not gonna end well with her? Of course she is an icon to be respected. WTF is wrong with your moral compass?
Possibly the most overhyped and overrated historical woman. There's several other women who are a much better option to use as an "icon" (something I don't like frankly), yet people choose a queen who not only was an awful leader but was also a pretty bad person.
@@MW_Asuratrue, there are atleast dozen more deserved Women in History. Saint Olga of Kyivan Rus, Catherine the Great, and i forget that Georgian Queen.
An icon does not need to be about victory, but standing defiant and rebelling against a suppressive tyrant overpower. Leonidas did not win either yet he is still a great heroic symbol. While she was nowhere near as efficient and put up as much fight as Leonidas did, it's still always admirable to stand up and fight. She simply was not a military leader and can't really be blamed for that, instead those men who had more military experience should be blamed for having less balls than a woman with no military experience, to start the revolt and lead them to battle rather than the tribesmen doing it themselves as is and was their duty.
@@alb3598 what you’re saying is really inspiring but the world isn’t work like that! Leonidas might’ve lost the battle but he lead 7000 man against one of the biggest armies in ancient world and died them. Now you and me can argue all day that “she’s a woman” “she’s not well Experienced General” “she’s didn’t have a trained army”. But the fact is she’s leading a large army (knowing that they aren’t soldiers or skilled enough), killed thousands of civilians. Then got absolutely destroyed by the Romans (while outnumbering them heavily) and flee the battle filled leaving her mans to get Massacred. The only thing Leonidas and boudica have common is they both lost their battles. Without that their story is totally different. The biggest differences is the resistance of Leonidas resulted something which benefited the Greeks unlike boudica! Besides Yes she might have more balls than those man (which you mentioned) but Lacks a significant amount of Common sense compared to them. Because rebelling against the mighty romans while having an army made out of farmers isn’t a good idea at all!💀💀 She remains me a quote which says “F*ck around and find out”
The Romans had already experienced a somewhat similar scenario against Hannibal at Cannae particularly in the total numbers of casualties on each side. And the legions here were not just a mob of individuals without organization. Thank you so much for this fine production of a battle that i have always been interested in !!!
Especially when completely surrounded@@sophosinio
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Her (Boudica's) first REAL Battlefield command and she was utterly obliterated.. A very poor leader of men in battle. Totally inept and it cost her and her people EVERYTHING.
Ya, when people suggest her as a "strong female warrior" I tell them about Watling Street. She got humiliated and fled. I'm glad HM made a video about it.
No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her ! Losing to an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Reignor99No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her ! Losing to an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side 😂😂😂😂😂
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@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 I refer you to my original statement... It stands.
"A very poor leader of men in battle." No different than any other Celtic chieftain encountering Roman legions in battle for the first time. It's the "men in battle" who are not up to the task.That is, the only experience of warfare tribal Celts had, was the occasional cattle raid, border dispute or squabble over resources against other Celtic tribes. They had no chance, no matter who was leading them.
Still doing great work after a really long time and still consistent, which these days is a really rare thing to find in a entertaining yt channel. Thank you
@@lordsbully2456 Were numbers funnelled into small areas with limited room for manoeuvre - no - in Russia [and France 1944] the Germans were attacked from all sides.
if anything looking at specific battles like historymarche does proves that numbers actually account for surprisingly little compared to expected, always better to have but as long as you replace it with another advantage, meaningless
There's a detailed if speculative description of this battle in George Shipway's Imperial Governor. He has Paulinus elaborate on his legionaries' "line relief systerm" in a letter to Praetorian Prefect Sextus Afranius Burrus afterwards. In this account he supposedly writes "Valen's [legate of Legion XIV Gemini] men fought beautifully. His centurions...were taught to relieve the entire front rank whenever the fighting allowed, before weariness or wounds curbed their vigour. The neat, sidestepping movements whereby each century's front suddenly produced twelve fresh legionaries to oppose a tiring enemy were a delight to a soldiers eye." An interesting sidenote to an incredible battle, masterfully presented as always by HistoryMarche.
The figure of 80,000 seems highly improbable (let alone 230,000, which would have been at least 10% of the entire population of Britain). It's not credible that what is merely Essex and East Anglia now could have produced armed forces of such a size in this period, raised in the space of a few months.
I lived on Watling Street as a child and it is known as a old Roman Road. Watling Street is in Wellington, Telford and the County of Shropshire. It borders North Wales. Thank you up loading this video.
I was under the impression that Britain's biggest appeal to, first, the Romans then later the Anglo-Saxons was that the island is a very arable land because it is so well irrigated and frost-free due to the gulf stream. The Romans certainly needed a good source of crops to feed its urban centre's, particularly Rome, and the Anglos preferred the milder climate of Britain to the more frigid and dry areas of Northern Germany, or swampy lands of Frisia.
well, most of west europe has that, including the fact rome had egypt at this point, they didn't need much more land for food, the anglos however came from holstein area which is generally a colder environment then even britanny (think I spelt it right) in France that reduced time for specific crops, and swamps because, well the swamp isn't a good place to farm with soft soil
It had no such appeal for the Romans, because wheat, barley, oats and most vegetables require a drier climate, which is limited to South Eastern Britain and even that isn't ideal. In Britain, furnaces had to be used to dry grain (and plenty of these have been excavated) Compared to the massive grain productions of Egypt, the rest of North Africa and Sicily and even the Pontic Steppe (the modern bread basket of the world), why would Britain have such an appeal to the Romans specifically? To some Scandinavians, it would be an agricultural upgrade...but not for the Romans. Britain was known as the Land of Tin (it's where most of the Tin for making Bronze during the Bronze age, came from...after the end of the Bronze age, Britain's value/appeal decreased significantly) The biggest appeal Britain had was it's previous mythological status. To the Romans, before Britain was discovered by Caesar, it was a mythological place kind of like the Lost Atlantis, that most Romans thought didn't really exist and was just fairytales, which included similar stories of a great civilization, technological advancement and great wealth. To learn that Britain really does exist, and isn't just a fairytale created great fascination among the Roman public. The Phoenicians and their dependents the Carthaginians managed to keep Britain a secret, in order to retain their virtual monopoly on Tin. Btw, Britannia comes from the Phoenician, Bratanac which means, Land of Tin. Caesar milked huge popularity from confirming it existed, sending home written material of his discovery. Claudius wanted/needed some of that milk to shape his political image....beyond that, it had no value to the Romans and it cost them more resources to occupy it than they could extract from it (in fact, Egypt was funding the occupation of Britain...the same was true for Germania)
@@Joseph-z2kjdbdbekdbit’s more like 1-10 since the majority of Boudicas men retreated (most of them probably never even got to swing their weapon once). But the comparison was mostly about the skill and combat readiness
yeah graphics should be 2d. this 3d games good for eye but thats all. why cant we get a good strategic game with logistics, army morale. eu4 is kind of good. but they are just like real time board games with weird rules.
There is one very similar but small game. It was originally released on the browser, but now it is on steam (the full version is not free). I do not remember the name of the game. I will try to find:... Edit: Winter Falling: Battle Tactics.
Wonder what it was like going in to that battle thinking they had a massive advantage, only to see it slowly chipped away over several hours and the realization that they were doomed. How infuriating it must be to put up so much of a struggle only to have your "dreams" crushed in such a methodical manner.
It's always a great day when HistoryMarche posts a new video, especially about Roman history. We hope soon Part 20 of the Hannibal series will come out. We eagerly await to continue his story.
@@drunkmonk3376I believe they have finally done the writing after some revisions. Animation is taking some time to be completed if I do recall from previous comments. Could be wrong, of course.
I think the quality of History Marche is, next to Epic History, the best. But the topics are also excellent, because they talk about themes that others do not. Like the Attila of the East.
This was in part a case of cultural shock.(in part Rome trying to squeeze water from a rock...Britain had no real value to extract, but governers were under immense pressure to deliver extracted returns) This type of humiliation was the norm among prominent Roman rivaling families. Boudica and her family chose to become Roman Citizens because they thought it would bring advantages and were merely treated as Romans in that scenario, in terms of the norms and Roman Law (Roman female citizens couldn't inherit...tgis didn't apply to non-Roman citizens). Boudicca's family offended Seneca with that Will by giving what is owed to him, to the Emperor (he gave huge loans to them, and others). Seneca was a typical Roman era Loan Shark, so then he hired private thugs (another normal roman event) to treat them as Romans. What Boudicca suffered, thousands of prominent Romans suffered and worse...if this occurred in the city of Rome, it would have just been a normal Teusday.
@@jamescawl6904 Better to truly live even if it's just for a moment and die standing, than live on your knees in chains forever. Had they not rebelled their culture would have been destroyed anyway, their people enslaved and their roots cut off.
According to the Romans and noting they did tend towards political exaggeration. Many Roman captives in the sacked cities were boiled alive among other forms of ritual atrocities. There is a fine line between justified resistance and becoming a monster of vengeance. Its easy to romanticize history, but it is usually way worse than imagined.
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you guys should make a game out of your format, battle system and campaign using your maps. it could have a battle system like total war with the litle boxes having distinguishing features to be able to easily make out units
"Without discipline, a military force is no more than an armed mob." I feel like the battle between Rome and Boudica painted this adage *very* clearly. Another thing to note is Rome's ability to NOT fall when it should've been. I swear, EVERY time Rome is on the brink of collapse, their leaders just pulled a fucking win out of absolutely nowhere.
Like Thermopylae, a terrific lesson in the use of force multipliers in battle. Being outnumbered, even conservatively 5:1, doesn't matter when you're light infantry, fighting heavy infantry, in one direction.
In 9:43 the subtitles are wrong. Legio VIIII is incorrect, it should be Legio IX instead. Please give a like to this comment so there is a higher chance for HistoryMarche to correct it
Sometimes the shortened versions were never counted. The 14th Legion (Legio XIV) was officially Legio XIIII, so it must've been the same for the IXth legion.
both are correct. VIIII is called the additive form and was actually more commonly used in official capacities. E.g. to number a legion, it was significantly more likely you'd see VIIII than IX. Seeing both forms used by the same Roman writer in the same document was not uncommon either. In fact, both forms were even sometimes used in the same number. Even numbers like IIIIIII or XXXXXXXXX existed lol. There wasn't any standardization.
I cincerly doubt all of Britain could've sustained an army 230,000 at this time. 50,000 at most given that her army was growing right up until the battle of Watling Street.
Of the 230k most were camp followers, entire families. Typical for all tribes of this era. Maybe a third of these were fighting men, if even that much. But estimates go up to 80-90k warriors, with the rest being their families. Roman historians overblew the numbers by presenting the non-combatants as combatants.
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@@HistoryMarche My pleasure, Sire. But it's been one year now... Please finish Hannibal Barca series even though total war Rome already gave me spoilers but still...
Boudica should have continued with guerrilla warfare against a better led, armed, experienced, and trained Roman army. Her Frontal attack was a mistake. Also she did not consider what if she lost the battle. One lost should not have been her end. Peter the Great fought many battles with the Swedish and learned from each lost battle.
"She a woman will fight for freedom" *flees as soon as the fight is lost without fighting herself* Big mouth, not much substance. Truely a "strong, modern woman who needs no men" Well, except to do the dying and fighting for her of course.
No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her ! Getting defeated in battle against an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side and suffering 80.000 casualties 😂😂😂😂😂
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🚩 In Britain, at the northernmost edge of the empire, Rome’s strategy for command and control failed horribly. For the first time in memory, the Roman army is in retreat and the power of Rome is questioned. The Iceni army led by Boudica has cornered the outnumbered Romans at Mancetter. The Roman general Gaius Suetonius Paulinus steels his men for the battle ahead: “Ignore the racket made by these savages. There are more women than men in their ranks. We have beaten them before and when they see our weapons and feel our spirit, they will crack. Stick together. Throw the javelins, then push forward! Knock them down with your shields and finish them off with your swords. Forget about plunder. Just win and you will have everything!”
Well done in chosing David McCallion... his voice is fantastic for your videos.
A meat grinder.
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Another great video! If I may ask, will you ever be going back to finish your Hannibal series?
One of the greatest defensive, pitched battles in history. I mean, imagine the adrenaline of those Romans afterwards, when it was starting to come down. Realizing 10k of them slaughtered tens and tens of thousands. Must have been one HELL of a speech from Paulinus before the battle.
Only one phrase were heard for hours by the iceni.
"Roma aeterna victrix"
I think there should be few zeros deducted from the Roman numbers, especially if you consider the Roman casualties were 400 men.
Practically he only gave instructions. Of his two legions one was of fresh veterans of the campaign in Wales, and one was "vexillationes", mostly composed of "evocatii", veteran legionaries that had been given a land in Britain and had been hastily recalled for that battle (you can imagine how they could be pissed off, since they were defending their lands, homes and families). They knew what they were doing.
Probably only beat some little tribe. Just propaganda made them want to have some great victory.
@@mrhumble2937that sacked and destroyed several cities?
Rome at its height, with competent commanders must have been terrifying. This battle was an absolute slaughter. What was the legion in battle called? A meatgrinder?
this is why you actually train your troops
Legio XIV Gemina
i bet it was highly exaggerated by the victors and it wasn't exactly a well trained army they were against. I wonder how many women and children they slaughtered too no doubt they wrote that into the numbers they "fought" aswell
@@maceoryan-hess9235 and have educated soldiery leading them
@@Garlin55 Rome's might was echoed in Britain, when she was an empire. The discipline was ridiculous. And here we are, we can't go 5 minutes without our device in our hands.
I am always impressed how the Roman sources were so willing to call out the fact that many of these wars and revolts were incited by the greed and avarice of their fellow Roman elites. ‘Create a desert and call it peace.’
That sentence also comes from them and it supposed to be part of a story
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko It is actually ascribed to a Caledonian, but it was written by Tacitus, whom many believe was projecting more of his own view through a literary device.
Countries have always criticized themselves, even only for political gain for another faction.
@@celdur4635 You see it some, but most of what I see will be something like Emperor Jian, through his arrogance, fell into the enemy ambush.’ The Roman’s were particularly up front about the underlying causes…’things were peaceful and the locals were cooperative, but than Gaius and some of the other officials got greedy and made up crazy taxes, stole property on trumped up charges, and paid their soldiers with the daughters of the local people. That is why we have this mess.’ Yes, it was often written for a contemporary political agenda.
There is a fantastic critique of Boudicca by J.Draper, well worth watching. Basically 99% of what we know about all this is pure fiction, other than that multiple cities were burned down. The people who wrote about it were never actually there.
I find it laughable to see people say Boudica is one of Rome's greatest enemies. She did start a rebellion no doubt and had some success.
But she mostly attacked small settlements and isolated camps. Plus the Battle of Watling Street... the only battle she ever fought saw her use a strategy that not only decimated her army but ended the rebellion with terrible redemption from the Romans.
She made an effort but it hardly was a challenge.
She had no experience in combat and most of her troops were probably just rioting Britons with crude weapons.
She did post a threat to ousting rome from briton as if the rebellion got too big it's a problem.
But as for the fighting it was always roman favoured.
The numbers of briton combatants was probably exaggerated by the Romans themselves to make her look scarier.
Most of the "fighters" under her probably died of crowd crush than roman swords as a crowd had parked wagons behind the briton.
@@loowick4074 exactly what i was saying. An effective leader knows their armies and that of the enemies. She knew that the Romans despite outnumbered were severely disciplined and effective in pitched battle.
Plus her army was no match for the Romans. If she knew that dhe shouldn't have attacked and if she didn't knew then the attack was stupid
@@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemyagreed. She had a better shot of using guerilla warfare akin to how other leaders employed against the Romans in the upcoming centuries and almost replicating Robert the Bruce's rebellion by using the terrain to their advantage alongside ambushing tactics to wear down the Roman forces. Rome couldn't be everywhere in Brition given how far stretch their manpower was by then.
Most overrated female in ancient history. He sacked some towns, killed a bunch of civilians, beat up a rookie legion, but when she took on a real Roman legion, she got her ass kicked, and she got it kicked good.
If she would have been a man, she would have been a minor footnote in the back of some book.
She’s a woman
Paulinus knew that he would be the butt of jokes in Rome if he lost to a woman. It wasn't happening on his watch.
Great comment, made me laugh out loud. 🤣🤣🤣👍
Instead he would lose to Vitellius years later, something even more embarrassing in my book .
@@ambjorninemyr8520Paulinus was not the commander for that defeat it was Otho’s brother Titianus. Along with the other generals Paulinus advised against marching on Cremona until other legions arrived.
He had more to be worried about namely not being killed, this isnt a friendly spa lol also in rome they would be more worried about their territory
also remeber the female pirate queen that basically won against china
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As a Brit, this hurts to see.
As a Roman fanboy, can't get enough...
i know what you mean, but stupid revolts pretty much never win
She had minimum 20 000 proper warriors. Plus Britonic chariots were probably the most effective of these weapons in history (under the right Britonic commanders). Even Caesar was made a fool by Britonic chariot tactics when employed properly.
If it was even a half competent Briton commander leading that battle, the Romans would have been doomed.
Even in the speech of Paulinus, one can tell he was expecting to die on that day, and were minimum aiming to avoid the torturous deaths they witnessed before, in exchange for quicker more honorable deaths, and buy the mob of fleeing Roman civillans some time.
But if the Romans were expelled at this point, there probably wouldn't be Anglo-Saxons on Britain, no England, no English language, no USA, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
But these Britts aren't even the same as the alfred the great Britts.
@@mrhumble2937still happened in England and boudicca brits are real brits not Germans from Alfred the great brits
@@JDDC-tq7qm It did not happen in England, England is a country not a landmass and England and English literally means Aenglisc, which are those Germans you talk about. The "real brits" have gotten nothing but dumped on by everyone, Romans and English.
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Even if paulinus had real troops. The ratio was still crazy. I don't get why some people thinks that boudica is more dangerous than vercingetorix. Becuse the sacking of the settlements wasn't all that impresive. No competent military leader, just numbers.
Vercingetorix pulled a great maneuver, if it was any other general than caesar the Romans would have most likely lost the fight.
Boudicca just screamed "waaaagh" and sent untrained fighters charging into a wall.
Like an unorganised mob that big, so many would die just in the crowding and stampede
@@loowick4074 "Boudicca just screamed 'waaaagh'"
I read this in the Halo elites voice.
@@loowick4074 Indeed, J. Caesar made all the difference. Or so it would seem. Could Pompey have been successful? He was not slouch as a general either, and damn near beat J. Caesar.
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@@andywomack3414 Pompeius actually managed to outmaneuver Caesar at some points and even at the decisive battle he was pressured to fight by his troops and officers. If he managed to pull his strategy without the influence of his officers, it's not unlikely that he would have one. Caesar clock was ticking from the very moment he landed in Greece, he was a bit cocky when he went to Greece to face Pompeius.
And it's also not the only time this happened. In Britain, Spain, North Africa and Egypt the same happened. Usually he only came on top because of his battle hardened veterans from his campaign in gaul. Without those, Ceasar would have lost the civil war.
And this is why i'd say that Pompeius overall was the better general, but Caesar had better troops and officers. This civil war is a good example for how valuable battle hardened veterans are. They can overcome so many obstacles, even in bad strategic situations. Especially if your opponents forces consist mainly of inexperienced troops.
"A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house"
-Socrates
I think this quote is very fitting for boudica's rebellion
I remember that as a game load screen from Rome Total War
No flanking forces, woman in charge, all emotion, no strategies. :D k
@@RemusKingOfRome Oh grow up lol no flanking forces and no stratagy has been done my many men if you watch the channel especially barbarian type forces not to mention all the other blunders us men have made, despite your out dated veiws new studys also debunk this idea woman are super emotional not to mention emotional regulation is a different thing (not that you would comprehend such things)
@@RemusKingOfRome Sexist military larper, get a life
@@informationyes I agree with this 100%
The flaccid sword image got me 😂😂😂
I used to live in St Albans. You can still walk the roman walls and even clearly see the London gate, one larger entry for horse and cart and two smaller on either side for foot. Really cool. Verulamium is actually really small, the walls fit easily in to the city park. There is a place you can see the mosaic and under floor heating in one of the larger houses. But, what did the romans ever do for us…..? Hahaha
What do you mean by 'us'? After the Romans came the Jutes, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. The country is called England, not Albion. It's the same with the French when they speak romantically about Gaul, when their country is called after the Franks. Each of us is a mix of what history brought, and to pretend to be other is absurd.
The country in which I was born had its entire male population exterminated in one point in history by an invasion of a tribe of the east. Do I say that my people was exterminated by barbarians? No, because I am surely descendant in part or completely of those invaders.
@@Verbindungs hahaha Im aware. You’ve never heard the famous saying in England “what did the romans ever do for us?” Its in Monty Pythons Life of Brian. It’s generally followed by a long list of all the things the romans did for “us”, the us being the uk in general. So take a big step down off that very high horse and put the keyboard away. Hahaha.
@@camboselecta1 my apologies. I lack Monty Python as a cultural reference.
@@Verbindungscountries like Sweden and Russia have never been occupied as a whole so they must be the only 2 European nations with pure blood
@@JDDC-tq7qm that's hilarious
Boudica's greatest error was to allow herself to get pulled into a battle on a battlefield the Romans were comfortable to offer battle.
Rome's legions were not insurmountable but fighting the Romans on their terms and on ground the famous legions could deploy and fight as intended was madness.
Never fight the Romans when they are ready
I was teaching my children about the battle yesterday as we drove down Watling street and how we share our surname with the famous street. How fitting you then made an awesome video about it!!
> revolt against one of the mightiest empire.
> Destroy bunch of cities and killed thousands of Innocent civilians.
> faced a real army which she out numbered heavily.
> lost the battle.
> referenced to elaborate.
> dies.
> Thousands of years later people made her an “icon” by using the female card.
A woman whose daughters were raped in front of her resolved to fight a war she most likely knew was not gonna end well with her? Of course she is an icon to be respected. WTF is wrong with your moral compass?
Possibly the most overhyped and overrated historical woman. There's several other women who are a much better option to use as an "icon" (something I don't like frankly), yet people choose a queen who not only was an awful leader but was also a pretty bad person.
@@MW_Asuratrue, there are atleast dozen more deserved Women in History. Saint Olga of Kyivan Rus, Catherine the Great, and i forget that Georgian Queen.
An icon does not need to be about victory, but standing defiant and rebelling against a suppressive tyrant overpower. Leonidas did not win either yet he is still a great heroic symbol. While she was nowhere near as efficient and put up as much fight as Leonidas did, it's still always admirable to stand up and fight. She simply was not a military leader and can't really be blamed for that, instead those men who had more military experience should be blamed for having less balls than a woman with no military experience, to start the revolt and lead them to battle rather than the tribesmen doing it themselves as is and was their duty.
@@alb3598 what you’re saying is really inspiring but the world isn’t work like that!
Leonidas might’ve lost the battle but he lead 7000 man against one of the biggest armies in ancient world and died them.
Now you and me can argue all day that “she’s a woman” “she’s not well Experienced General” “she’s didn’t have a trained army”. But the fact is she’s leading a large army (knowing that they aren’t soldiers or skilled enough), killed thousands of civilians. Then got absolutely destroyed by the Romans (while outnumbering them heavily) and flee the battle filled leaving her mans to get Massacred.
The only thing Leonidas and boudica have common is they both lost their battles. Without that their story is totally different. The biggest differences is the resistance of Leonidas resulted something which benefited the Greeks unlike boudica!
Besides Yes she might have more balls than those man (which you mentioned) but
Lacks a significant amount of Common sense compared to them. Because rebelling against the mighty romans while having an army made out of farmers isn’t a good idea at all!💀💀
She remains me a quote which says
“F*ck around and find out”
That's the worst name for a Roman official I've ever heard...
Biggus Dickus- "Hold my beer..."
The Romans had already experienced a somewhat similar scenario against Hannibal at Cannae particularly in the total numbers of casualties on each side.
And the legions here were not just a mob of individuals without organization.
Thank you so much for this fine production of a battle that i have always been interested in !!!
every army becomes a mob once a rout starts
Especially when completely surrounded@@sophosinio
Her (Boudica's) first REAL Battlefield command and she was utterly obliterated.. A very poor leader of men in battle.
Totally inept and it cost her and her people EVERYTHING.
Ya, when people suggest her as a "strong female warrior" I tell them about Watling Street. She got humiliated and fled. I'm glad HM made a video about it.
No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her !
Losing to an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Reignor99No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her !
Losing to an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 I refer you to my original statement... It stands.
"A very poor leader of men in battle." No different than any other Celtic chieftain encountering Roman legions in battle for the first time. It's the "men in battle" who are not up to the task.That is, the only experience of warfare tribal Celts had, was the occasional cattle raid, border dispute or squabble over resources against other Celtic tribes. They had no chance, no matter who was leading them.
Good as ever. I liked the way that you depicted the land with its coastline as it was then, rather than using a modern map of Britain.
Still doing great work after a really long time and still consistent, which these days is a really rare thing to find in a entertaining yt channel. Thank you
Much appreciated!
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Goes to show that numbers don't mean everything.
....only if a flanking manoeuvre is not possible.
I’ve been telling my wife that for years, yet she still insist it matters :(
its kinda is, i mean just look at ww2
@@lordsbully2456 Were numbers funnelled into small areas with limited room for manoeuvre - no - in Russia [and France 1944] the Germans were attacked from all sides.
if anything looking at specific battles like historymarche does proves that numbers actually account for surprisingly little compared to expected, always better to have but as long as you replace it with another advantage, meaningless
There's a detailed if speculative description of this battle in George Shipway's Imperial Governor. He has Paulinus elaborate on his legionaries' "line relief systerm" in a letter to Praetorian Prefect Sextus Afranius Burrus afterwards. In this account he supposedly writes "Valen's [legate of Legion XIV Gemini] men fought beautifully. His centurions...were taught to relieve the entire front rank whenever the fighting allowed, before weariness or wounds curbed their vigour. The neat, sidestepping movements whereby each century's front suddenly produced twelve fresh legionaries to oppose a tiring enemy were a delight to a soldiers eye." An interesting sidenote to an incredible battle, masterfully presented as always by HistoryMarche.
this same tactic is almost always parroted by history books regarding small force winning against bigger force in pitched battle.
The figure of 80,000 seems highly improbable (let alone 230,000, which would have been at least 10% of the entire population of Britain). It's not credible that what is merely Essex and East Anglia now could have produced armed forces of such a size in this period, raised in the space of a few months.
most likely 230k was the total iceni population under boudica rule
I lived on Watling Street as a child and it is known as a old Roman Road. Watling Street is in Wellington, Telford and the County of Shropshire. It borders North Wales.
Thank you up loading this video.
I was under the impression that Britain's biggest appeal to, first, the Romans then later the Anglo-Saxons was that the island is a very arable land because it is so well irrigated and frost-free due to the gulf stream. The Romans certainly needed a good source of crops to feed its urban centre's, particularly Rome, and the Anglos preferred the milder climate of Britain to the more frigid and dry areas of Northern Germany, or swampy lands of Frisia.
well, most of west europe has that, including the fact rome had egypt at this point, they didn't need much more land for food, the anglos however came from holstein area which is generally a colder environment then even britanny (think I spelt it right) in France that reduced time for specific crops, and swamps because, well the swamp isn't a good place to farm with soft soil
it was the only sizable source of tin in Europe and the Mediterranean basin.
It had no such appeal for the Romans, because wheat, barley, oats and most vegetables require a drier climate, which is limited to South Eastern Britain and even that isn't ideal. In Britain, furnaces had to be used to dry grain (and plenty of these have been excavated)
Compared to the massive grain productions of Egypt, the rest of North Africa and Sicily and even the Pontic Steppe (the modern bread basket of the world), why would Britain have such an appeal to the Romans specifically?
To some Scandinavians, it would be an agricultural upgrade...but not for the Romans.
Britain was known as the Land of Tin (it's where most of the Tin for making Bronze during the Bronze age, came from...after the end of the Bronze age, Britain's value/appeal decreased significantly)
The biggest appeal Britain had was it's previous mythological status.
To the Romans, before Britain was discovered by Caesar, it was a mythological place kind of like the Lost Atlantis, that most Romans thought didn't really exist and was just fairytales, which included similar stories of a great civilization, technological advancement and great wealth. To learn that Britain really does exist, and isn't just a fairytale created great fascination among the Roman public.
The Phoenicians and their dependents the Carthaginians managed to keep Britain a secret, in order to retain their virtual monopoly on Tin.
Btw, Britannia comes from the Phoenician, Bratanac which means, Land of Tin.
Caesar milked huge popularity from confirming it existed, sending home written material of his discovery. Claudius wanted/needed some of that milk to shape his political image....beyond that, it had no value to the Romans and it cost them more resources to occupy it than they could extract from it (in fact, Egypt was funding the occupation of Britain...the same was true for Germania)
@@tylerdurden3722 You know, people from Phoenix are called Phoenicians.
@@tedcrilly46 lol 😂
Legionnaires in battle against some farmers. It is like if Navy SEALs were fighting a group of competitive paintball players
Even then 23-1 odds would probably still have the navy seal getting overwhelmed. The paintball players you’re referring too had to be under 12
@@Joseph-z2kjdbdbekdbit’s more like 1-10 since the majority of Boudicas men retreated (most of them probably never even got to swing their weapon once). But the comparison was mostly about the skill and combat readiness
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My greatest wish is to find a game like this
Yep
yeah graphics should be 2d. this 3d games good for eye but thats all. why cant we get a good strategic game with logistics, army morale. eu4 is kind of good. but they are just like real time board games with weird rules.
There is one very similar but small game. It was originally released on the browser, but now it is on steam (the full version is not free). I do not remember the name of the game. I will try to find:...
Edit: Winter Falling: Battle Tactics.
Total war is literally like this if you turn on a certain option and make your command boxes only
Crusader Kings 3, not exactly like this but worth a look either way
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Great video as always.
Thank you 😊
I love these new breakdowns before the battle, with Claudius here and in the video about Vlad the Impaler
Great video, as always.
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Thank you for this post, much appreciated.
Boudica-The patron saint of Karens. Screeching "i want to talk to your Procurator"!!
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Wonder what it was like going in to that battle thinking they had a massive advantage, only to see it slowly chipped away over several hours and the realization that they were doomed. How infuriating it must be to put up so much of a struggle only to have your "dreams" crushed in such a methodical manner.
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It's always a great day when HistoryMarche posts a new video, especially about Roman history. We hope soon Part 20 of the Hannibal series will come out. We eagerly await to continue his story.
I have 19 episodes of Hannibal, you can find them on the Hannibal playlist. I'm working on part 20
@@HistoryMarcheso it will come right
@@HistoryMarchegotcha. Corrected on how many parts have been done thus far.
@@drunkmonk3376I believe they have finally done the writing after some revisions. Animation is taking some time to be completed if I do recall from previous comments. Could be wrong, of course.
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3:05 even his mother, poor Claudius
Awesome to watch after reading the vespasianus books that also describes this battle and the rebellion. Much appreciated!
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Thanks to this great victory, the Romans retained Britain, and their descendants, the Welsh, live on today!
Thanks HM for a full account of the Boudica episode.
Now I'm off to listen to the Boudica song of the Horrible Histories team.
All say yah! Boudicca!
@@jonbaxter2254 Boudicca! Superstar!
Don't diss this miss
Lovely as always!!!
Thank you so much 😊
Another amazing video HM! love these Roman videos!
Thank you very much!
Great presentation. Very well done. I enjoyed it immensely.
There are times when sheer numbers can overwhelm superior training and equipment, but the Battle of Watling Street was not one of those times.
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Another superb video, thank you guys!
I've been waiting on this one to come out for a week now.
I think the quality of History Marche is, next to Epic History, the best. But the topics are also excellent, because they talk about themes that others do not. Like the Attila of the East.
For the record it is highly unlikely that Claudius took war elephants to Britain. The records don't say he did.
I was wondering where they got boats that big...
For the Algo, as always, thank you for the video HM.
Cheers for watching!
That battle with the druid army sounds like a fascinating spectacle. But alas t'was as you said a way of life was lost forever.
From this battle we can learn that "NEVER LET A WOMEN LEAD"
Yes. And also, don’t let them hold a remote control. Way too much power for a woman to handle.
Yes. And also, don’t let them handle a remote control. Way too much power for them to handle. They immediately begin to abuse it.
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If only a mind like Hannibal's
had been there to counsel Boudicca... 😖
Great story, thank you
But that is a story for another time 😊
The sequel is the Battle of Mons Graupius. I actually covered that one as well. th-cam.com/video/UbnKi3wsppQ/w-d-xo.html
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Boudica's rebellion was understandable, would you let a personal humilitation go without trouble?
A rebellion that utterly destroyed her people and culture😂
This was in part a case of cultural shock.(in part Rome trying to squeeze water from a rock...Britain had no real value to extract, but governers were under immense pressure to deliver extracted returns)
This type of humiliation was the norm among prominent Roman rivaling families. Boudica and her family chose to become Roman Citizens because they thought it would bring advantages and were merely treated as Romans in that scenario, in terms of the norms and Roman Law (Roman female citizens couldn't inherit...tgis didn't apply to non-Roman citizens).
Boudicca's family offended Seneca with that Will by giving what is owed to him, to the Emperor (he gave huge loans to them, and others). Seneca was a typical Roman era Loan Shark, so then he hired private thugs (another normal roman event) to treat them as Romans.
What Boudicca suffered, thousands of prominent Romans suffered and worse...if this occurred in the city of Rome, it would have just been a normal Teusday.
@@jamescawl6904 Better to truly live even if it's just for a moment and die standing, than live on your knees in chains forever. Had they not rebelled their culture would have been destroyed anyway, their people enslaved and their roots cut off.
@@jamescawl6904 You'd have done the same
According to the Romans and noting they did tend towards political exaggeration. Many Roman captives in the sacked cities were boiled alive among other forms of ritual atrocities.
There is a fine line between justified resistance and becoming a monster of vengeance. Its easy to romanticize history, but it is usually way worse than imagined.
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Casus belli, not causus belli.
you guys should make a game out of your format, battle system and campaign using your maps. it could have a battle system like total war with the litle boxes having distinguishing features to be able to easily make out units
"Without discipline, a military force is no more than an armed mob."
I feel like the battle between Rome and Boudica painted this adage *very* clearly. Another thing to note is Rome's ability to NOT fall when it should've been. I swear, EVERY time Rome is on the brink of collapse, their leaders just pulled a fucking win out of absolutely nowhere.
Like Thermopylae, a terrific lesson in the use of force multipliers in battle. Being outnumbered, even conservatively 5:1, doesn't matter when you're light infantry, fighting heavy infantry, in one direction.
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@@StarFox31 Caesar si viveret ad remum daereris stultus
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In 9:43 the subtitles are wrong. Legio VIIII is incorrect, it should be Legio IX instead. Please give a like to this comment so there is a higher chance for HistoryMarche to correct it
Sometimes the shortened versions were never counted. The 14th Legion (Legio XIV) was officially Legio XIIII, so it must've been the same for the IXth legion.
both are correct. VIIII is called the additive form and was actually more commonly used in official capacities. E.g. to number a legion, it was significantly more likely you'd see VIIII than IX.
Seeing both forms used by the same Roman writer in the same document was not uncommon either. In fact, both forms were even sometimes used in the same number.
Even numbers like IIIIIII or XXXXXXXXX existed lol.
There wasn't any standardization.
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Boundicca was brave while massacring civilians but when she faced the Roman legions she abandoned her followers to their death.
How, when, and where her end came is unknown to history.
Great video
I cincerly doubt all of Britain could've sustained an army 230,000 at this time. 50,000 at most given that her army was growing right up until the battle of Watling Street.
Of the 230k most were camp followers, entire families. Typical for all tribes of this era. Maybe a third of these were fighting men, if even that much. But estimates go up to 80-90k warriors, with the rest being their families. Roman historians overblew the numbers by presenting the non-combatants as combatants.
@@HistoryMarche Yeah, 230,000 including the families makes miore sense.
It was not an army, just peasants. The number are acurate.
@@ChristianAuditore14 And how were they fed?
@@brainflash1 how are you fed?
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Don't compare the Emperor who conquered Britannia to that nursing home patient.
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Boudica should have continued with guerrilla warfare against a better led, armed, experienced, and trained Roman army. Her Frontal attack was a mistake. Also she did not consider what if she lost the battle. One lost should not have been her end. Peter the Great fought many battles with the Swedish and learned from each lost battle.
"She a woman will fight for freedom"
*flees as soon as the fight is lost without fighting herself*
Big mouth, not much substance.
Truely a "strong, modern woman who needs no men"
Well, except to do the dying and fighting for her of course.
No man, you're too rude. She made an outstanding achievement that nobody else in history was able to do both before and after her !
Getting defeated in battle against an army of 10.000 soldiers while having 230.000 men on her side and suffering 80.000 casualties 😂😂😂😂😂
How, when, and where her end came is unknown to history.
@@Sirilere But it is known that she fled the battlefield cowardly - and that is all that matters.