One extra note: In English, all hornfolk use They/Them pronouns by default, unless specified otherwise ^^ EDIT: to clarify because I've seen a lot of people in the comments get (understandably) confused, the hornfolk don't grow their horns! They are carved from bone or ivory and permanently attached to the head in a form of body modification. Check out my previous hornfolk video for more detail :3
Question...... Did they needed a type of division of labor as a species to survive??? Can that mean them being more social than humans??? They also seem to have an epigenetic type of gender like clownfish... Is it true???
@@cmaslan The hornfolk are actually regular humans, not a conspecies. They recieve their horns at the age of 16 during a ceremony. The 4 gender system is a completely cultural construct. You can be born female and be an S gender but you can also be born male and still be an S Gender.
@@Duskendawne is it developed from biological sex??? It's no gender than... If it's based on mere stereotypes with only a mere made up construct to ground it instead of something physical like biological sex or actual physical or biological traits....
Given that this doesn't relate to sex or therefore probably not to reproduction, what properties would a "eunuch analogue" have? Eunuchs are special in royalist societies because, in failed hypothesis, they can't have a legacy worth seeking power for (in actuality they obviouslu can still seek power for themselves and establish legacy in their accomplishments and in students and non-biological children of different kinds ((look up adoptee voices including "ward of the state" before assuming i mean "adoptees")) ). What hypothetical lack of ability would a hornless person have that would grant them meaningful status?
Hey, I just wanted to say that I stumbled upon your videos for this project fairly randomly, but I'm really glad that I did. It's obvious you've put so much thought into this world, its history, and its people. In particular (although I'm not sure if there's a specific video on it yet, I'm still going through your catalogue) I admire the conlang you've created for it. I love that the "four genders" have their own complex sets of pronouns that are also affected by things like "class" and familiarity with the individual. I just think that's really neat. Do you take inspiration from any-real world languages for your conlang? Where did you start when you first started making it? Also, I just have to know, are you making a story set in this world, and is it going to be something publicly available to read/watch/listen to?
I'm glad you enjoy my worldbuilding! For my 1000 sub special I will detail the story I originally made this world for, although now I care more about the worldbuilding than the narrative. I actually have two conlangs! Yarmazi and Kenntabre (hornfolk) Yarmazi was inspired by biblical hebrew, arabic and turkish, and Kenntabre was inspired by Japanese, Nahuatl and a little bit of semetic stuff
I'm very curious about how horns are selected for each person. I've never considered making a society where gender roles that aren't female or male are built into it, like here. This is a really cool concept! Just food for thought here; I saw another commenter mention how in real life, gender roles are vaguely associated with physical differences, especially in a society that relies on physicality a lot. Are there any observable differences in the abilities of the genders here, whether physical or magical? Also, how does reproduction tie into the gender system here? Either way this is very interesting to me, so keep it up!
They must be genetical so 'natural selection by evolution of the looks.' They from the art style have 'earthly/our gender' of male and female, but it's the horns that decide their 'caste/gender'
So, if the horned gender is not tied to biological sex, then is growth pattern something that someone cultivates? If not, is it more like astrological signs where the horn pattern someone grows is out of their control but people start making assumptions about them? Is it more like traditional gender ideologies where the actual specifics of gender roles are both well defined but also have a high degree of variability across cultures? Does biological sex have any distinct identity in this world? Do the two interact to form an idea of an individual or is biological sex relatively disregarded and instead only gender is paid any mind when identifying an individual? Does biological sex work along a pseudo binary like the real world or does it have some other means of being defined? Like are they all biologically hermaphroditic or are there multiple sexes? If Horn shape is not personally defined, is it heritable or tied to season or hormone-pheromone interactions with a child bearing individual? What are the standard gender frequencies? Or are they constantly in flux and it just depends year to year? If it depends year to year, is it cyclical? What happens, culturally, if someone shaves off their horns? Do people ever carve on their horns to add personal flair? Do the horns serve biological function? Like do people, or did people, clash horns in order to pick mates? How does inter-gender mate selection work? Is there a cultural expectation for certain genders to link up and others not to or is it a free for all? Is there a market amongst foreigners for the horns akin to rhinoceros horns or elephant tusks? Is that why they dislike foreigners? How strong are their neck muscles? Could they flip each other with their horns? Do they hang goods off their horns to sell in marketplaces? How big do the horns get? Does the size say anything about the individual and their gender identity? Do people trim or shave down their horns? How do leaders treat their horns? Gosh so many questions but it’s a really cool video and very inventive! Worldbuilding is rad!
These are all wonderful questions! The horns are actually a completely man-made cultural construct. They are carved from animal bone or ivory and permanent attached to the head. Biologically they are normal humans with (generally) male and female people. (I say generally because intersex people do exist.). They have just constructed their gender system around the horns instead of their sex. I should have probably clarified it in the video.
@@Duskendawne That's an extremely important part of the overall idea, lol. I thought these entities were also having variant biology as well. Happens irl to a lesser degree.
I remember that goats, when they're young, their horns are loose, so one can alter the shape of the horn while it's still malleable (getting stuff like a "unicorn"). Perhaps something like this could be done with their horns (usually the parents placing expectations of what they want their children to become), maybe with horn bracers or some other intricate stuff (many cultures around the world have and still do this, but more for a beauty standard)
I definitely align most with I-gender! This is really interesting, good work!! And also I'm super curious, what about folk that may fall outside of this quarternary? Are nontraditional identities generally accepted, or are they met with contempt for going against the norm? Will they perhaps alter their horns to reflect this? Maybe even attempt to remove them entirely? I imagine the latter to have some serious social ramifications. Would the others' perspective be more laidback like "ah yeah that one's just a bit strange" or would it be more severe with them being an outcast, banished, killed, or something else?
Removing one's horns would be seen like abolishing your personhood. It is extremely frowned upon and people who do it are seen on the same level as foreigners. Altering your horns after receiving them at the age of 16 is generally frowned upon as well. Everyone can choose their gender, but you are locked into that gender for life (unless you wanna attract hatred.) I've actually made a character who was forced to recieve S Horns but identifies more with a Neva rather than a Rew. You could call her the hornfolk equivalent of a trans person :)
@@Duskendawnethis common type of worldbuilding where perspectives of a society are stated as facts always bug me a bit. Every society is going to have diversity in perspectives as forced by different experiences and eventually forced by evolutions upon the society that bare the same name. If these hornfolk eventually have another subgroup that is far more accepting but still hornfolk, the statements as fact don't make as much sense. Granted you're probably writing about a specific moment and location in time and space for this society. You're also doing good interesting stuff, I just wanted to inject this thought into the comment section to spread the idea of worldbuilding thought diversity into individual societies
@@Hanniah--Heart Yeah I shoulda specified I was writing about the general culture. There are always exceptions and subgroups and differing perspectives.
@@Hanniah--Heart I mean they did say it's 'generally' frowned on and that they had an idea for someone who did not fit into that perspective -- the idea that this isn't 100% the societal expectation and that such diversity existed was already implied.
C-gender. I think that goes with what I said last time, too. Question: how are foreign children treated by the horned adults? I know that it's the foreign adults that are seen as subhuman, but do the children still get treated like hornless canvases, or are they treated the same way as their parents?
I feel like they are treated the same as the adults, but with a little more grace let's just say. Really the horn vs. no horn thing is just an excuse for xenophobia in Hornfolk society
@@Duskendawne Ah, interesting. I imagine like real-world xenophobia that this attitude is misplaced and also massively disbenefits Hornfolk who do not fit the pre-described roles
Heheheh. Another for the Other Worldbuilding Channels playlist. You cannot escape it. Your little legs are not long enough, for I am built like if Slenderman did cardio. I like this idea. I think I identify most with the artists, the I-genders, unsurprisingly. I wonder if a hornless human trying to make their way among these folks might try something like fake horns. Funnily enough, the I-genders seem like the exact ones who'd make fake horns for hornless humans, maybe interrogating them a bit first to figure out which kinda horns are "correct" for them. What determines how these horns grow? I might be about to find out by watching more videos of yours. Is it genetic? Or does development of the brain influence development of the horns? Something more mystical? Is it unknown?
The horns don't grow actually! They're carved from bone or ivory and permanently attached to the head in a special form of body modification. You or the people around you choose the horn shape.
@@duskendawne2239 me and bros deliberately making our friend get horns that don't suit them (it's called a little trolling we make eachother's lives harder and then we call it a little trolling)
This is a pretty interesting concept, makes me wonder what marriage culture looks like especially if there's a nobility system with invested interest in continuing their bloodline.
ANAH - Assigned Neva at Horn-day Would then fantasize about sawing off mine in solidarity after being met with and internalizing the treatment of the marginalized elements of such a system within my local culture while finding out and grieving about all the ways in which I do not fit into the singular, restrictive role I've been prescribed and have, partly, chosen. Although, interestingly, the view of children within this system makes me think that people who were raised within hornfolk culture and, for whatever reason, "lost their identity" would perhaps then in part choose to develop a more childlike mode of expression to still conform to the views of gender / identity they grew up with. Wearing clothes that would be read as being childish, due to the seam and cut, or maybe wearing popular hairstyles and accessories for children, as well as using a childlike dialect and expressions / modes of addressing themselves / pronouns. I suppose some would use those intended for priests but I imagine even within such communities that may be looked down upon due to the sheer social power of the priestly class. Unless the priesthood themselves are in part sympathetic to such groups and their expression. Perhaps parts of that could be used as a discreet signal of sorts to others "in the know" that they do not align themselves with their gender identity or the social structure of such at large. Kinda like the handkerchief code. Or choosing to adopt the fashion and cultural styles of foreigners, since they're already viewed as being outsiders. Also makes me think about discreetness and disguises in general. If a person wanted to keep their identity hidden, for whatever reason, would they hide their horns as well? Now I'm imagining a concept of some manner of celebration / festival that involves donning special masks or head coverings that either obfuscate the shape of their horns or make them appear as another shape, as a kind of carnevale equivalent.
my minecraft skin (and the various ocs derived from it) have G style horns, so regardless of the stereotypes that makes the most sense for me :P (G does roughly fit though)
If gender is totally decoupled from assigned sex that raises some interesting questions. How do family structures and child-rearing work? Are there taboos around what gender can marry / become involved with another? Also horns were a goated choice for expressing gender humanoids w horns always look sick
Nonbinary genders in fictional settings are an interesting concept, particularly in this case as they actually have assigned social roles and physical differences. IMO the believability of alternative gender in worldbuilding increases the moment one realises that human gender exists only as a socialisation of biological sex (sex on its own being a modern scientific concept). Gender has for the longest time served to categorise virtually all humans into the two physical states into which they can be born and to assign social roles based on these states, predominantly determined by what roles they can be most productive in based on their physicality (such as having muscles versus having a womb and breasts). The primary reason for a recession of these strict standards in modern society is the advent of industrialisation and the reduced importance of one's physicality in determining their productivity to greater society, as well as an increased focus (a luxury, perhaps) on individualism over communism (not the economic policy but the prioritisation of the community). Anyway, I'm yapping. What I mean to say is I think it's cool they have physical differences and social roles. Quite believable. Edit: nvm I just read your pinned comment clarifying that the horns aren't real. And here I was giving the benefit of the doubt.
It's not that the horns aren't real, it's that they aren't biological. They're social constructs! Their gender system is not based in biology. Everything you wrote here is (mostly) accurate. might have worded it poorly. I wanted to make a horned culture who are actually standard humans, and tried to make a creative solution to how to give them horns.
I wonder how this would affect relationships, assuming they have monogamous marriages like we do how would this factor into it? I'm assuming homosexuality would be generally accepted since outside of reproduction obviously one's biological sex is kind of meaningless under this system, but they'd probably still have gender roles. Neva might have a similar role as traditional western housewives, though in traditional western marriages the other 3 could all function as the man, being the working breadwinners of the house. But obvious with 4 unique genders, and with that 10 possible combinations there's plenty of complexity a traditional man and woman marriage can't compare to.
Kind of curious about how the horn-folk views those whose horns were either damaged, removed (either willingly or unwillingly), or replaced/changed. (if such a thing is possible) Watched the og horn folk video, so that explains part of it with the whole "trans horn folk choose to have the horn that matches their identity" thing, but I'm curious if this culture has any views towards those who try to have their horns replaced *_after_* they are first attached. (if such a thing is possible) Still though, cool video!
This video is so gender! But for real, what a cool concept! I love all the pronouns at the end, it's a little detail that I really appreciate :). And, of course, I am an "I" gender, like, come on.
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Congrats. You just made the fantasy race with the most gender inclusivity in your setting also the most racist faction in your fantasy setting. Why even make a race baded on gender based stereotypes at all? As far as I can see this looks like an attempt to unify personal interests and vocations with Gendering? You also made a Gender Based hierarchy with 16 or so pronouns for each gender to refer to each other? This looks like a social death trap no matter how you look at it. If a lower caste gender refers to a politician horn person with the wrong pronoun by accident, that's it. And why is there a gender caste system in the first place? I could still understand if it was based on your social role or station. But I'm pretty sure that whoever tries to break out of the box of their caste's stereotype to be the 'exception', to move up the social ladder, would get ruthlessly kicked down by those who have the gender befitting of such a station. While higher caste people would have to face criticism for 'wasting their talents'. The easiest way to handle gender pronouns in a fantasy world of more than 2 genders would be to introduce one single third person singular pronoun to rule them all instead of more than a dozen specific ones. The only in universe reason why the horn people haven't erupted in a bloody civil war yet would probably be their mutually shared racism against the 'hornless'. Which is never a good way to build your OC race's foundation on. As long as you don't intend them to be the a-holes of their verse. I can understand though if you'd just make all the other races more evil to make them look better. Many authors do that in order to make their main characters shine. I see that the comment got pretty passive aggressive. Given, I wrote it while annoyed. Just treat it as a preview of what happens in a society where people aren't equal.
But that's the point? I don't support that kind of culture at all, but I find it interesting to worldbuild such cultures, especially so I can make characters who break that mold and choose freedom and self-acceptance. My other cultures are not portrayed as evil or anything. I just wanted to make a deeply flawed society, one which I can use to make interesting characters. Worldbuilding, in my opinion, isn't only for making perfect utopias. Also they are not a race, they are a culture. Everyone in my world is the same race/species generally speaking. I'll give you an example of a hornfolk character I made: She was forced to become a Rew even though she feels like a Neva. She runs away from the Hornfolk heartland and joins a group of foreign travelers, including a gender-role-breaking Yarmazi guy and another person. Don't assume someone is making a world meant to be idealized.
Hello! I'd love to know why you think these don't work? Keep in mind this is meant to be a gender system completely unlike our own. Based on horn shape and not biological sex. There is no evolutionary basis for the stereotypes.
One extra note: In English, all hornfolk use They/Them pronouns by default, unless specified otherwise ^^
EDIT: to clarify because I've seen a lot of people in the comments get (understandably) confused, the hornfolk don't grow their horns! They are carved from bone or ivory and permanently attached to the head in a form of body modification. Check out my previous hornfolk video for more detail :3
Question...... Did they needed a type of division of labor as a species to survive??? Can that mean them being more social than humans???
They also seem to have an epigenetic type of gender like clownfish... Is it true???
@@cmaslan The hornfolk are actually regular humans, not a conspecies. They recieve their horns at the age of 16 during a ceremony. The 4 gender system is a completely cultural construct. You can be born female and be an S gender but you can also be born male and still be an S Gender.
@@Duskendawne is it developed from biological sex???
It's no gender than...
If it's based on mere stereotypes with only a mere made up construct to ground it instead of something physical like biological sex or actual physical or biological traits....
Background music name?
Wait.. the horns aren't grown? Can they just fall off?@@Duskendawne
Just realized how closely connected the idea of temperaments and genders are. Awesome video, and a really cool concept!
Ah yes the four genders. Curved, wavy, rounded, and straight horns. But in all seriousness this is really cool.
love the bathhouse with the minecraft terracotta frames, just like the one on the server :)
NON TRADITIONAL GENDER CONCEPTS MY BELOVED!!!!
If your horns break is that like being a eunuch
Thats pretty sound logic to me XD
Given that this doesn't relate to sex or therefore probably not to reproduction, what properties would a "eunuch analogue" have? Eunuchs are special in royalist societies because, in failed hypothesis, they can't have a legacy worth seeking power for (in actuality they obviouslu can still seek power for themselves and establish legacy in their accomplishments and in students and non-biological children of different kinds ((look up adoptee voices including "ward of the state" before assuming i mean "adoptees")) ). What hypothetical lack of ability would a hornless person have that would grant them meaningful status?
This is fascinating, detailed and complex world building, love it
1:53 the commitment to squarebrush is intense and really cool to look at. May steal this idea in future, sorry!
Hey, I just wanted to say that I stumbled upon your videos for this project fairly randomly, but I'm really glad that I did. It's obvious you've put so much thought into this world, its history, and its people. In particular (although I'm not sure if there's a specific video on it yet, I'm still going through your catalogue) I admire the conlang you've created for it. I love that the "four genders" have their own complex sets of pronouns that are also affected by things like "class" and familiarity with the individual. I just think that's really neat. Do you take inspiration from any-real world languages for your conlang? Where did you start when you first started making it?
Also, I just have to know, are you making a story set in this world, and is it going to be something publicly available to read/watch/listen to?
I'm glad you enjoy my worldbuilding! For my 1000 sub special I will detail the story I originally made this world for, although now I care more about the worldbuilding than the narrative. I actually have two conlangs! Yarmazi and Kenntabre (hornfolk)
Yarmazi was inspired by biblical hebrew, arabic and turkish, and Kenntabre was inspired by Japanese, Nahuatl and a little bit of semetic stuff
I'm very curious about how horns are selected for each person. I've never considered making a society where gender roles that aren't female or male are built into it, like here. This is a really cool concept!
Just food for thought here; I saw another commenter mention how in real life, gender roles are vaguely associated with physical differences, especially in a society that relies on physicality a lot. Are there any observable differences in the abilities of the genders here, whether physical or magical? Also, how does reproduction tie into the gender system here?
Either way this is very interesting to me, so keep it up!
They must be genetical so 'natural selection by evolution of the looks.' They from the art style have 'earthly/our gender' of male and female, but it's the horns that decide their 'caste/gender'
So, if the horned gender is not tied to biological sex, then is growth pattern something that someone cultivates? If not, is it more like astrological signs where the horn pattern someone grows is out of their control but people start making assumptions about them? Is it more like traditional gender ideologies where the actual specifics of gender roles are both well defined but also have a high degree of variability across cultures? Does biological sex have any distinct identity in this world? Do the two interact to form an idea of an individual or is biological sex relatively disregarded and instead only gender is paid any mind when identifying an individual? Does biological sex work along a pseudo binary like the real world or does it have some other means of being defined? Like are they all biologically hermaphroditic or are there multiple sexes? If Horn shape is not personally defined, is it heritable or tied to season or hormone-pheromone interactions with a child bearing individual? What are the standard gender frequencies? Or are they constantly in flux and it just depends year to year? If it depends year to year, is it cyclical? What happens, culturally, if someone shaves off their horns? Do people ever carve on their horns to add personal flair? Do the horns serve biological function? Like do people, or did people, clash horns in order to pick mates? How does inter-gender mate selection work? Is there a cultural expectation for certain genders to link up and others not to or is it a free for all? Is there a market amongst foreigners for the horns akin to rhinoceros horns or elephant tusks? Is that why they dislike foreigners? How strong are their neck muscles? Could they flip each other with their horns? Do they hang goods off their horns to sell in marketplaces? How big do the horns get? Does the size say anything about the individual and their gender identity? Do people trim or shave down their horns? How do leaders treat their horns?
Gosh so many questions but it’s a really cool video and very inventive! Worldbuilding is rad!
These are all wonderful questions! The horns are actually a completely man-made cultural construct. They are carved from animal bone or ivory and permanent attached to the head. Biologically they are normal humans with (generally) male and female people. (I say generally because intersex people do exist.). They have just constructed their gender system around the horns instead of their sex. I should have probably clarified it in the video.
@@Duskendawne That's an extremely important part of the overall idea, lol. I thought these entities were also having variant biology as well. Happens irl to a lesser degree.
@@Duskendawne So it's essentially a caste system?
I remember that goats, when they're young, their horns are loose, so one can alter the shape of the horn while it's still malleable (getting stuff like a "unicorn"). Perhaps something like this could be done with their horns (usually the parents placing expectations of what they want their children to become), maybe with horn bracers or some other intricate stuff (many cultures around the world have and still do this, but more for a beauty standard)
Oh, these people don’t grow their horns, they glue them to their heads. Check out the previous video for more information!
I definitely align most with I-gender! This is really interesting, good work!! And also I'm super curious, what about folk that may fall outside of this quarternary? Are nontraditional identities generally accepted, or are they met with contempt for going against the norm? Will they perhaps alter their horns to reflect this? Maybe even attempt to remove them entirely? I imagine the latter to have some serious social ramifications. Would the others' perspective be more laidback like "ah yeah that one's just a bit strange" or would it be more severe with them being an outcast, banished, killed, or something else?
Removing one's horns would be seen like abolishing your personhood. It is extremely frowned upon and people who do it are seen on the same level as foreigners. Altering your horns after receiving them at the age of 16 is generally frowned upon as well. Everyone can choose their gender, but you are locked into that gender for life (unless you wanna attract hatred.)
I've actually made a character who was forced to recieve S Horns but identifies more with a Neva rather than a Rew. You could call her the hornfolk equivalent of a trans person :)
@@Duskendawnethis common type of worldbuilding where perspectives of a society are stated as facts always bug me a bit. Every society is going to have diversity in perspectives as forced by different experiences and eventually forced by evolutions upon the society that bare the same name. If these hornfolk eventually have another subgroup that is far more accepting but still hornfolk, the statements as fact don't make as much sense.
Granted you're probably writing about a specific moment and location in time and space for this society. You're also doing good interesting stuff, I just wanted to inject this thought into the comment section to spread the idea of worldbuilding thought diversity into individual societies
@@Hanniah--Heart Yeah I shoulda specified I was writing about the general culture. There are always exceptions and subgroups and differing perspectives.
@@Hanniah--Heart I mean they did say it's 'generally' frowned on and that they had an idea for someone who did not fit into that perspective -- the idea that this isn't 100% the societal expectation and that such diversity existed was already implied.
C-gender. I think that goes with what I said last time, too.
Question: how are foreign children treated by the horned adults? I know that it's the foreign adults that are seen as subhuman, but do the children still get treated like hornless canvases, or are they treated the same way as their parents?
I feel like they are treated the same as the adults, but with a little more grace let's just say. Really the horn vs. no horn thing is just an excuse for xenophobia in Hornfolk society
@@Duskendawne Ah, interesting. I imagine like real-world xenophobia that this attitude is misplaced and also massively disbenefits Hornfolk who do not fit the pre-described roles
@@lemonlordminecraft exactly :3
Heheheh. Another for the Other Worldbuilding Channels playlist. You cannot escape it. Your little legs are not long enough, for I am built like if Slenderman did cardio.
I like this idea. I think I identify most with the artists, the I-genders, unsurprisingly. I wonder if a hornless human trying to make their way among these folks might try something like fake horns. Funnily enough, the I-genders seem like the exact ones who'd make fake horns for hornless humans, maybe interrogating them a bit first to figure out which kinda horns are "correct" for them.
What determines how these horns grow? I might be about to find out by watching more videos of yours. Is it genetic? Or does development of the brain influence development of the horns? Something more mystical? Is it unknown?
The horns don't grow actually! They're carved from bone or ivory and permanently attached to the head in a special form of body modification. You or the people around you choose the horn shape.
@@duskendawne2239 me and bros deliberately making our friend get horns that don't suit them (it's called a little trolling we make eachother's lives harder and then we call it a little trolling)
This is so cool! I think I'd probably be one of the C-gender ones. Keep up the good work!
This is a pretty interesting concept, makes me wonder what marriage culture looks like especially if there's a nobility system with invested interest in continuing their bloodline.
This is intriguing and I love the art!
ANAH - Assigned Neva at Horn-day
Would then fantasize about sawing off mine in solidarity after being met with and internalizing the treatment of the marginalized elements of such a system within my local culture while finding out and grieving about all the ways in which I do not fit into the singular, restrictive role I've been prescribed and have, partly, chosen.
Although, interestingly, the view of children within this system makes me think that people who were raised within hornfolk culture and, for whatever reason, "lost their identity" would perhaps then in part choose to develop a more childlike mode of expression to still conform to the views of gender / identity they grew up with. Wearing clothes that would be read as being childish, due to the seam and cut, or maybe wearing popular hairstyles and accessories for children, as well as using a childlike dialect and expressions / modes of addressing themselves / pronouns. I suppose some would use those intended for priests but I imagine even within such communities that may be looked down upon due to the sheer social power of the priestly class. Unless the priesthood themselves are in part sympathetic to such groups and their expression. Perhaps parts of that could be used as a discreet signal of sorts to others "in the know" that they do not align themselves with their gender identity or the social structure of such at large. Kinda like the handkerchief code. Or choosing to adopt the fashion and cultural styles of foreigners, since they're already viewed as being outsiders.
Also makes me think about discreetness and disguises in general. If a person wanted to keep their identity hidden, for whatever reason, would they hide their horns as well? Now I'm imagining a concept of some manner of celebration / festival that involves donning special masks or head coverings that either obfuscate the shape of their horns or make them appear as another shape, as a kind of carnevale equivalent.
I love the idea of the festival! :3 I might use it in the future for the hornfolk
That sounds more like Myers Briggs personalities than genders. I do like the idea though
my minecraft skin (and the various ocs derived from it) have G style horns, so regardless of the stereotypes that makes the most sense for me :P (G does roughly fit though)
In terms of pursuits and interests, I would be an I-gender, but in terms of personality, I'm a solid C.
That’s quite intresting
Great video!
This is very cool 👍
If gender is totally decoupled from assigned sex that raises some interesting questions. How do family structures and child-rearing work? Are there taboos around what gender can marry / become involved with another?
Also horns were a goated choice for expressing gender humanoids w horns always look sick
Are there ever hornfolk who never grow horns at all? Also I think I horns are for me!
Nonbinary genders in fictional settings are an interesting concept, particularly in this case as they actually have assigned social roles and physical differences. IMO the believability of alternative gender in worldbuilding increases the moment one realises that human gender exists only as a socialisation of biological sex (sex on its own being a modern scientific concept). Gender has for the longest time served to categorise virtually all humans into the two physical states into which they can be born and to assign social roles based on these states, predominantly determined by what roles they can be most productive in based on their physicality (such as having muscles versus having a womb and breasts). The primary reason for a recession of these strict standards in modern society is the advent of industrialisation and the reduced importance of one's physicality in determining their productivity to greater society, as well as an increased focus (a luxury, perhaps) on individualism over communism (not the economic policy but the prioritisation of the community).
Anyway, I'm yapping. What I mean to say is I think it's cool they have physical differences and social roles. Quite believable.
Edit: nvm I just read your pinned comment clarifying that the horns aren't real. And here I was giving the benefit of the doubt.
It's not that the horns aren't real, it's that they aren't biological. They're social constructs! Their gender system is not based in biology. Everything you wrote here is (mostly) accurate. might have worded it poorly. I wanted to make a horned culture who are actually standard humans, and tried to make a creative solution to how to give them horns.
I wonder how this would affect relationships, assuming they have monogamous marriages like we do how would this factor into it? I'm assuming homosexuality would be generally accepted since outside of reproduction obviously one's biological sex is kind of meaningless under this system, but they'd probably still have gender roles. Neva might have a similar role as traditional western housewives, though in traditional western marriages the other 3 could all function as the man, being the working breadwinners of the house. But obvious with 4 unique genders, and with that 10 possible combinations there's plenty of complexity a traditional man and woman marriage can't compare to.
Kind of curious about how the horn-folk views those whose horns were either damaged, removed (either willingly or unwillingly), or replaced/changed. (if such a thing is possible)
Watched the og horn folk video, so that explains part of it with the whole "trans horn folk choose to have the horn that matches their identity" thing, but I'm curious if this culture has any views towards those who try to have their horns replaced *_after_* they are first attached. (if such a thing is possible)
Still though, cool video!
This video is so gender!
But for real, what a cool concept! I love all the pronouns at the end, it's a little detail that I really appreciate :). And, of course, I am an "I" gender, like, come on.
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Ok but seriously i binged the rest of it and it's good shit, bonus points for gender fuckery considering that I'm a 🏳️⚧️living example of such bullshit🏳️⚧️ and love seeing it in me fantasy :3
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I like that idea.
It also shows how our gender system is just a social construct (which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't important) :D
I'm currently working on a tri-sex quintuple-gender society for one of my projects, and I love checking in to see what you've made!
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It use to be that sand world equal huge sand worm apex predator species. Can't do that, because of woke
That's so stupid
Congrats.
You just made the fantasy race with the most gender inclusivity in your setting also the most racist faction in your fantasy setting.
Why even make a race baded on gender based stereotypes at all?
As far as I can see this looks like an attempt to unify personal interests and vocations with Gendering?
You also made a Gender Based hierarchy with 16 or so pronouns for each gender to refer to each other?
This looks like a social death trap no matter how you look at it. If a lower caste gender refers to a politician horn person with the wrong pronoun by accident, that's it.
And why is there a gender caste system in the first place?
I could still understand if it was based on your social role or station.
But I'm pretty sure that whoever tries to break out of the box of their caste's stereotype to be the 'exception', to move up the social ladder, would get ruthlessly kicked down by those who have the gender befitting of such a station.
While higher caste people would have to face criticism for 'wasting their talents'.
The easiest way to handle gender pronouns in a fantasy world of more than 2 genders would be to introduce one single third person singular pronoun to rule them all instead of more than a dozen specific ones.
The only in universe reason why the horn people haven't erupted in a bloody civil war yet would probably be their mutually shared racism against the 'hornless'.
Which is never a good way to build your OC race's foundation on. As long as you don't intend them to be the a-holes of their verse.
I can understand though if you'd just make all the other races more evil to make them look better. Many authors do that in order to make their main characters shine.
I see that the comment got pretty passive aggressive. Given, I wrote it while annoyed. Just treat it as a preview of what happens in a society where people aren't equal.
But that's the point? I don't support that kind of culture at all, but I find it interesting to worldbuild such cultures, especially so I can make characters who break that mold and choose freedom and self-acceptance. My other cultures are not portrayed as evil or anything. I just wanted to make a deeply flawed society, one which I can use to make interesting characters.
Worldbuilding, in my opinion, isn't only for making perfect utopias. Also they are not a race, they are a culture. Everyone in my world is the same race/species generally speaking.
I'll give you an example of a hornfolk character I made:
She was forced to become a Rew even though she feels like a Neva. She runs away from the Hornfolk heartland and joins a group of foreign travelers, including a gender-role-breaking Yarmazi guy and another person. Don't assume someone is making a world meant to be idealized.
While cool in concept, I don’t think these really work as genders.
Gender concepts irl are often based on arbitrary biological factors. I can believe an alien culture doing it as well
Hello! I'd love to know why you think these don't work? Keep in mind this is meant to be a gender system completely unlike our own. Based on horn shape and not biological sex. There is no evolutionary basis for the stereotypes.