The High Horology Movement in Affordable Watches
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- In Standard Horology we find the reliable ETA 2892-A2 and Sellita SW300 at work in running our watches. But here’s news: In some you will find a high horology movement that you may have thought was an ETA clone-the Soprod A10. This video digs into the roots of the A10.
I really appreciate your effort in recording a new video to offer an even more precise content !
A very rare and underestimated attitude nowadays. Thank you :-)
Maurizio, it's my pleasure. If I get something wrong; it should be fixed. Take care and be Safe, Bill 😷
I absolutely love watching your deep informative videos..
Your knowledge and how easy you communicate it to us is a joy...
I got hooked in quality watches and watch making about 5 years ago ..
Saw a documentary about Seiko and how quartz almost destroyed Swiss mechanicals
I was so fascinated and got so interested in everything I could see and watch ..
I’m 57 years old and spend so many hours trying to figure out what to buy and not to buy ..
If I should save up a few thousand on just 1 watch or to spread that amount on 4-5 quality watches ...
It drives me crazy...
The best looking dial with a very good movement or a okay dial with a fantastic movement..
Some have everything that I want but to thick to wear or it doesn’t come with a sapphire crystal..
Anyway,
I do appreciate your love and knowledge and a willingness to do what you do...
God Bless
Greg
Hey Greg, thanks man! It's a disease ok ... hooked on watches ... especially ones I cannot afford. Take care and be safe, Bill
Learn something new everytime I watch a WatchArtSci video ... thanks Bill.
Hey J.R., thanks man! Had to re-do the video because my Christiaan van der Klaauw was keeping perfect time on a different movement than CVDK led me to believe ...... grrrrrr. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Hi Bill, hope all is well, definitely a great way to get a watch with a great movement with an affordable price as well 👍 I think these value plays are always a great buy as you always get what you paid for. Kind regards, Abdul
Thanks Abdul ... I guess as collector we try and get more than what we pay for and avoid the opposite! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Your channel is extremely underrated ! Love your videos
I appreciate that Jorge! I enjoy watches and making the videos ... so what you see is pretty much me enjoying myself! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Hi Bill, thanks for the video. Actually building a watch and was debating on putting an A-10 in the watch or an eta 2892. The A-10 is much cheaper but was unsure because I’ve never heard of it. Thanks for educating me.
Hi Libertarian! If you can get a Soprod A-10; do so. I've been looking for an ETA 2892-2 and may just pull one out of my Raymond Weil, but if I could find an A-2, that'd be far better. Where did you find the A-10? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci found them on eBay from a seller in Switzerland. Have multiple grades of 2824-2 and 2892/2893. The A-10 is $239. Btw really enjoy your videos.
@@mattstakeontheancients7594 Thanks man! I also found a place called Orange Watch Company, but I saw their Instagram page .... not too encouraging. That eBay deal for an A-10 seems to be the best bet. I've been looking for an ETA 2892-2, and the SW300 (Sellita) may be another option. Looking for center second, 3-hander with date window at 3 o'clock. I'm thinking of having a series of VestPocket videos going through the steps in making a watch using that movement. What do you think of the idea? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci that would be great honestly would help me greatly. Planning on making myself a watch and then my daughter one for her birthday.
As usual Bill nice job. Hamilton watch Khaki we’re always a good one too
Nice video mate.
Hi Tim, yes the Hamilton Khaki are great field watches. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
I want to clean your glasses so badly!! Haha! Thanks for the vid!
Clean my glasses??!!! J. I clean them once a month whether they need it or not! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci 😀
Hi Bill. Came across a beat up old 1976 Rolex Daytona ref. 6263 at an auction site yesterday.For the longest time I was the winning bidder at $3,200. It eventually went for
$40,000, a Paul Newman. Out of my league for a beat up Rolex. I liked it at $3,200.
Well, Gunther, I would have probably pass were it under $2,000. A beat-up Rolex Daytona is just that...a beat up old watch. I think you could put that $3,200 to better use! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
WatchArtSci Somebody bought it. I couldn’t agree with you more.
The 4L has involved into the 6L and 8L. The are other models available other than the 005.
The 4S Movement produced in the 90's, some manual wind are also very good Movements.
The the upgraded 6L75 I s used in the Credor and 6L35 is used in the Presage line and now, the King Seiko reissue. The 8L35 is used in the fan's favourite, the MM300. The 8L55 is used in the higher end divers. The 4S has evolved into the 9S, the latest being the awesome 9SA5.
Yes, definitely Canon. The 4L, though is my favorite because it was one of the pioneering entries into high horology movements. That's also the reason I got the original Seiko 5 -it introduced new features to mechanical horology. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
It's good to know more about Seiko movements sir! I like Seiko because their prices are friendly for a starter collector like me; and yes I started my collection with a Seiko watch, a SARB-017 aka The Alpinist.
Best, Thanh
The Alpinist is one of my favorite Seiko's, Thanh! Do you still have it? Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Of course, I still have it sir! I've decided to keep it for a long time, just love the green dial and the overall aesthetic of it. Best, Thanh
Bill, do you have media background because you are great on camera and are able to construct a wonderful presentation?
No Al Bundy, I have no media background. I just enjoy the hobby of watch collection. Take care, Bill
This is what I don't understand: A lot of effort is made to create a caliber and when perfected, it is massed produced and very watch company can stick any label in the dial and include this caliber in their watch. Where is the individuality? Isn't the brand claiming prestige for a movement they did not create? It's like buying a frozen French croissant at Cosco and relabelling it.
Hi Antonio, it's in the design. Like Haute Coultre ... one dress mass produced. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Hi Bill, I have a Triton Subphotique, which is a remake of a 60's Triton, which is made in small numbers in Switzerland. I believe this also has a Soprod Movement - a modified M100, but I am not sure how this compares to the A10. Not sure if you would see this an an overpriced ETA clone or more high horology.
No Paul, the A10 and M100 are based on the Seiko 4L (not an ETA.) When Seiko came out with the 4L, it was to be their movement for High Horology , but their line of watches with the 4L didn't do well because Seiko buyers were used to lower prices. So, Seiko went into a deal with Soprod to use it in a movement, and that was the original A10. About the only thing ETA-like about the movement was the size and the position of the parts that would fit into as case made for an ETA. Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
Thanks Bill for the great content.
I was wondering if you have an opinion on D. Dornbluth & Sohn watches. It seems to be a very interesting proposition from a microbrand. Cheers
Hi Rodrigo, thanks man! Dornbluth has been somewhat of an enigma to me. They emerged out of the former East Germany in the early 90s and were using ETAs and modified ETAs in developing what is their own caliber. With their watches you get some excellent workmanship priced at a fair amount. Check around for some detailed reviews, but my general sense is that they have good quality watches. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Nice! I will look into it. So far I have liked what I have seen from the brand. Stay safe as well. I very much appreciate the load of information with each of your episodes.
Hey Bill. Is Soprod A10 being marketed as J820.4 by Jurghans??
Not that I know Anshul. What makes you ask? Is there something in the J820.4 that looks like a Seiko 4L base? Take care and be safe, Bill😷
WatchArtSci on their website the movement is mentioned as J820.4
@@anshulgupta9412 I saw them mention it, but what's the connection to a Soprod A10? Thanks, Bill
WatchArtSci ohh you mentioned Junghans Meister Classic as a watch with Soprod A10 movement but in the website the movement for Meister Classic is mentioned as J820.4. Hence my query. Thanks.
Hi Bill, how do you compared Zenith elite cal 682 and Seiko 6L (4L successor) in terms of performance and collectibility?
Hi Pecha ... they're both collectable, but my own personal selection would be the Zenith Elite ... mainly because I have one now! Great watch and movement. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
It's sort of a shame though that the Soprod A10 doesn't have the magic lever... it's so much more efficient than reversing wheels, I don't understand why the Swiss don't use it
Andrei, Seiko took out the existing lever that was never 'magic' and put in one that their engineers felt was more efficient. I guess the Swiss and Japanese engineers will have to fight that one out. Take care and be safe, Bill
@@watchartsci I had the impression that the 4L35 was designed from the start as sort of a movement to be exported to Switzerland from the start... which in my understanding is why it doesn't use the magic lever, unlike even the higher end 8L and 9S movements, as well as the automatic Spring Drive which all use the magic lever. I don't know if there are any problems with the magic lever, but in my experience, my Seiko watches start after just one shake which I find impressive. Correct me if I am wrong though :) Best wishes and stay safe!
Hi Andrei, I know that they had to change the position of the dial feet locks on the 4L but not very much more. Initially, they had so many aspects that were the same that I've wondered the same thing. If the 4L25 on the SARA pre-dated the deal (or dealings) with Soprod then they may have had two tracks in mind from the start: one for the SARA/Credor and another for selling the movements to a Swiss movement maker that would replace the ETA. Nobody...neither the Swiss nor the Japanese seemed prepared to lay it all out. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
So did the 4L have the same lineage as the 8L? I have an SLA021 with the 8L35 and absolutely love it. It's the newer B version which actually has some decent finishing as well. What are your thoughts on the 8L line of movements?
Hey McStarling, most everything Seiko does is from the same set of workshops/ factories; so in that sense, the 4L and 8L could be said to share a lineage. All I have experience with is the 4L based Soprod A10 and my faithful Seiko 5; so any comments on the 8L would be fairly speculative. Take care, Bill
Unfortunately, the Merveilleux Enamel did not make production.
John, I just got an PM from Benjamin Chee with this link to them: millechron.ch/collections/mervilleux-enamel/products/mervilleux-enamel-1?fbclid=IwAR1ppl3yxAIhWAw-YFuAR8-q9I6I6xyMz88ana9RkNr56MGNgLogO5hsyAs What makes you believe the Merveilleux Enamel did not make it to production. I'll check further, and in the meantime, take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Hey Bill, he told me. Unless I misunderstood, but that's what his message said.
No worries John. I messaged Benjamin for him to clarify. You could be right or just a misunderstanding. take care and stay safe, Bill😷
John K.L. ... turns out you were right. Benjamin told me he's waiting for the Soprod M100s that were held up in the pandemic. We'll see... Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci No worries, keep well and safe too! See you in the next vid, or in the forums! 🙏
Am I crazy or did I watch this video already
Baltimore, you might be crazy, but I re-did the video because I had said (incorrectly) that my Christiaan van der Klaauw had an A10. After really investigating it (even though CVDK said it was an A10); I found otherwise, and didn't want to have misleading information in the video. Take care and be safe, Bill
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Déjà Vu Haaaaaaa Vee Vee Vee Vee Vee Vee... Take care and be safe, Bill😷