Well, kinda but not really.(?) In the first episode, the phone was ringing while Loki (past) was still in the corridor, and the phone was what lead him to the spot where Loki (future) pruned him. In this episode, the phone only starts ringing AFTER Loki (past) has already been pruned. This massively confused me when I first watched this, and I think it might just be an oversight. (Could also be that we just don't get to hear it, because our viewpoint is focused on something else. But that wouldn't make much sense, since we still hear sounds like the elevator.)
This was, I’d say, the darkest, bleakest thing marvel has ever done. That scene with Dox and the others getting crushed by Renslayer and Ms. Minutes was *actually* insane. And that ending…hooboy. Buhhhh-leak. GOD I loved it though.
@@Agent_Number13it’s not about how memorable the moment is, though. It’s just pure darkness. If you put a person who’d never seen any MCU stuff and had them watch the last ~40 minutes of IW, and then show them this episode - no other context - there’s no contest, this ep of Loki is far, *far* darker and bleaker. Having such a deep connection to the characters in IW made it more emotional and painful, of course. But that’s not the same thing as pure darkness and bleakness.
This episode made my stomach drop so many times Viktors death is so violent. All those red ribbons is his muscles and flesh peeled off him in a painful but seemingly quick death
My brain still hurts after watching this episode. The whole "ouroboros" effect and even the backwards Prisoner of Azkaban link (current Loki saving the past Loki who jumped forward in time, instead of current Harry jumping back in time to save past Harry) has just broke all my senses.
When OB rebooted the system to shutdown Miss minutes so the dampener for magic powers be turned off that means those infinity stones that are being stored inside the desk drawers in the office section of the TVA can be used for their powers so with this assumption if Loki thinks fast enough before the blast in the end wipe them out he could probably use the time stone to reverse or going back in time before the loom melts down to change things.
This episode possibly changes the MCU forever and I think Victor Timely could've been scattered throughout time when he died creating all the Kang variants
OB already explained that you age really fast, your skin peels off and you die when exposed to temporal radiation. Like you literally see the strands disappear and then poof into smoke or whatever it was
No. The temporal energy just ages you then it disintegrates you. It kills you. Nothing else. It does not send you, multiple of you or any of your atoms/particles through time. Victor Timely is dead.
What if the “Big Bang” that Wong talked about in Infinity War was THIS EVENT?? And then the beacon he talked about in Shang Chi was the pulsing of the device before it went super nova
Her plan was exactly the same as Loki & co, except she wanted to be the leader when the TVA is safe again and probably go back to a sacred timeline. But she wanted to fix the loom with Victor just like the others.
@@majidoujaa5592 I think her self-righteousness is what makes her a villain. Her hatred for the loki variants unable to see the good in them, going after sylvie as kid, destroying her timeline... Ravona would rather risk destroying everything than working with them. She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g I don't think it's personal towards Loki himself, it's the fact that SHE isn't on the action, a good outcome that doesn't involve her in any capacity might as well be the worst for her
i think Loki will time slip to before TVA exist & recruit all the characters:- Mobius, B15, Casey etc. back to form the original TVA which is created by OB a.k.a. "Master of Time", then hijacked by Kang to use in d Multiversal War
Honestly, that was the moment that freaked me out the most lol. I’m not a horror movie watcher and I kind of predicted Victor Timely would die when they kept mentioning the temporal radiation levels, so when Miss Minutes did that, I was just like…that’s some horror movie shit right there lol
19:59 Wait for real, she did the same thing to Loki and Mobius, and just crushed abunch of tva agents, she deserves to be imprisoned in the void or eaten by Alioth.
i have a wild theory but what if the explosion of the sacred timeline is like the bigbang its creating one sacred timeline with all the branches weaved into one and the possibility of other branches to be weaved into the new timeline possible without any disruptions
People keep forgetting that this Victor Timely wasn't from the sacred timeline he was from a branched timeline the little boy who received the TVA book is the real Kang.
My working theory: They got played by Kang. There was a reason Timely needed to be turned into an infinite number of spaghetti pieces just as the loom exploded. It was to infect every surviving and emerging timeline with his essence/presence.
But it’s all just timelines of the same universe. I mean the destruction of the sacred timeline opens the door to the multiverse but I’m not sure how his death in this universe would scatter to other universes
That doesn't logically follow. Kang appears in every timeline regardless. His origin story is literally him stumbling upon an infinite number of him and Tadaa, war. There's no need to seed timelines when he simply is
I think timely dying represents the breaking of the loop if was destined to become He Who Remains...we as an audience may not know it yet but that episode was the end of the "sacred timeline loop cycle"
Yeah. HWR told them that if they kill him he’s gonna end up right back there anyway. I feel like all of this is actually supposed to happen. The outcome will always be the same, with HWR on top of the TVA again
X5/Brad experienced the torture of that room when Loki actually trapped him in the box and squeezed him, so his decision to side with Ravona and Miss Minutes is justifiable.
@@StarkRG I don't see it as justifying the murder, more like it justifies his fear. He didn't want to feel that way again, and he did want to feel life on the timeline again. His actions totally make sense, that's what I read cerberus' comments to mean, not "murder is OK" but "His logic is OK".
This is fascinating! It feels like a roller coaster that reveals the first half is only setting up a wilder last half. Episode 4 closed the loop to episode 1. It’s like this season is 2 seasons in 1. And Episodes 5 & 6 will explain everything else thats going on. The horror aspects were an especially nice touch. Brad fumbling in the darkness, Miss Minutes sadist disposition and cryptic final response. And a feeling, at least at the end of 4, the heroes don’t win.
I have a feeling Victor is still alive or maybe he's played his role and the real Kang is on his way, but all of this is part of He Who Remains contingency plan. Doing everything to prevent your future only ensures it's completion, and the heavy Ouroboros metaphors along with the "time is a flat circle" thing is far too important to disregard.
You're reading way too much into it. It's too stupid to put that much effort into. The characters are good, the direction is good. The story is fucking stupid and nothing can fix that. Time-travel, Multiverse, and rogue AI is always absolute stupidity. Just enjoy the genuinely good parts.
i completely forgot that the whole plan was essentially to get he who remains back at the citadel. so yes im sure he even planned down to these moments to get rid of other variants. very nice idea.
I just got done watching it a few minutes before watching your reaction. That was my reaction as well. That ending was BRUTAL. Fuck Renslayer, Fuck Brad, Fuck Miss Minutes. Rip Victor Timely. Man I cannot even begin to imagine how the rest of season is going to wrap up, what an episode. 😦
Yeah i knew pretty much from the start that the TVA Handbook is a Paradox, could not exist without OB, but without Victor who used it HE could not have written it. :P
Miss minutes is literally like a YO ROBOT. And you don't know what artificial intelligence will do that will end up betraying you. But Victor Timbley left me in shock, he just wanted to do the right thing and be supportive. And they killed him in a way that made me feel... when I experienced the sensation of the heroes fading away in Infinity War.😭😱😭
Keeping the Wall-E meat cube off screen to just think about it, dripping sounds as well, was probably the most gruesome the MCU has ever been debatably
This move could piss off a ton of fans, but I think it'd be wild if Ravonna took on the mantle of Kang and she's who becomes the big villain of Kang Dynasty. She's more than capable (both character and actress), they introduced the idea narratively (classic 'general usurping the throne' trope), and who really knows what happens when someone gets obliterated by temporal radiation (erased from all timelines, perhaps?). Not heart-set on this idea, but it's an interesting one.
Ouroboros' memory was not erased following the plan. He should have written the Tva manual. Which was supposed to be given to Victor. Surely Ouroboros’ meeting with Victor was part of the plan. And without memory it is of no use. Maybe
@@gingerdog8203 I think he's saying He Who Remains *wouldn't* wipe Ouroboros' memory, because that would throw a wrench in his "in case of death" plan. Essentially Victor and Ouroboros meeting is all part of the plan. Perhaps it could even be that if Ouroboros loses his memories, he doesn't write the TVA handbook, and the TVA handbook doesn't get passed down to Young Victor Timely. It kills that loop.
I think Sylvie with HWR's timepad saves those in the room, but she doesn't have time to fully calibrate it which is why we see Casey in some sort of worker camp. And also because that alternator thing Victor had looked so much like the engine in Quantumania, I am guessing the opening scene is that Kang dropping out of the ether, and probably into the Void.
The writing, cast, set design, dialogue, special effects, and character development. They're all so good! I expect this level of excellence from the MCU from now on. There are no more excuses.
I feel like it might be a big reset or something, like they all go back to a point in time. But they have their memories. Because they are really hinting at the whole time looping/Ouroboros/snake thing and the getting their magic back thing kind of stuck out to me. And I totally forgot about the magic blockers the TVA have. Either way this is the best Marvel show and I can't wait to see what happens.😄
This episode was freaking fantastic, it literally shocked me that timely just went holy force it’s a shame I liked him!!! Miss minutes reaction to dox and her minutemen getting boxed she looked so happy. What the hell is gonna happen now can’t wait for next week ❤ great reaction Omn1
Subscribed 😊 also; victors death was just cold 😮miss minutes took “wipe their minds”-to a whole ‘nother level 😮 Ravonna definitely running into “variants” she’s sentenced to guilty 😬
It makes me so curious, if He Who Remains planned all of this, he must have known Timely would die. But why? His whole life creating the time loom, going to fix the TVA time loom, only to get absolutely vaporized? What an incredibly unfortunate demise. Filled with childlike wonder and excitement to have such a horrific death 🫣
I think at the end of this season Loki, Sylvie, Mobius and Hunter will be the new "timekeepers" running the TVA; putting in place the offer He Who Remains gave them in season one. i love it when the Marvel Studios goes weird. beautiful episode.
Man, I really need a Loki and Thor reunion scene now that Loki is an actual good guy.. I know he was basically good by the end of Ragnarok, but I bet they'll have a great brotherly relationship now.
The stones were prune by B15 in S1. Plus, they’re not magic. And they don’t work bc they from other universe. I think the Space Stone might still be around somewhere.
I wonder if he DOES know what his life was on the timeline . It would be interesting if it’s not hood , but rather he’s on death row or serving 50 years so going back had no appeal
Don't worry.....the Victory Timely that turned into spaghetti is a variant from a branch timeline ....the variant Victor Timely on the Sacred Timeline is still alive.
When you said about Sylvia causing many deaths when she set off all the ‘things’ to lure everyone out of the TVA in season 1, I’m not exactly sure what she did, but didn’t it cause the timeline to produce loads of branches rather than prune them? It would’ve been the TVA who then pruned those again after that wouldn’t it?
Good point with the infinity stones, i totally forgot about those. I bet they use the time-stone to revert the time in the TVA to restore it and bring back everbody that died... mybe even the loom 🤔
I think Victor being spaghettified within that Probability Storm, just like the one seen in Quantumania that created the Ant-Man variants, but on a Multiversal scale, dispersed his Aura throughout all probable timelines, throughout the Multiverse. It's a likely, and fairly reasoned theory. I immediately thought of it myself after this episode, after I picked my jaw up off the floor lol Just think about it. In Quantumania, Kang didn't dare go into the Probability Storm he sent Scott into because it would've created variants of him. The last thing Kang would want. When Victor shreds, you can also see a purple or blue energy (possibly his Aura) disperse from his body into the Multiversal Probability Storm. I think this is the end of the TVA, and I think the end of the TVA and the "death" of Timely are also the beginning, being the catalysts that gave rise to all the Kang variants and was also the beginning of the Multiversal War, which will lead to the eventual creation of the TVA by He Who Remains, which will, once again, lead right back to He Who Remains death and the TVA's and the original variant Victor of Victor/Kang/He Who Remains' destruction. And it just repeats, "like a snake eating its own tail". 1893 Timely was the ORIGINAL variant of ALL the Kang variants, including He Who Remains, who knew this and planned for his "sacrifice". Ms. Minutes coaxed Timely into the Multiversal Probably Storm because it was all part of He Who Remains' plan to "end up right back here anyways" Victor Timely was originally from the Sacred Timeline, before Renslayer giving him the TVA handbook caused a branched timeline, making THAT Victor, the FIRST variant, with the original being of Victor Timely, the original predecessor all the Kang variants still existing on the Sacred Timeline, the same timeline that He Who Remains also happens to be from. So logically, that should mean that the 19th Century Victor Timely on the Sacred Timeline eventually BECOMES He Who Remains, after his future self sets his failsafe plan in motion with Ms. Minutes and Renslayer going back in time to He Who Remains original place on the Sacred Timeline as a child, creating the first variant that would be used to create his other variants by "paving the way" for O.G. variant Victor to expose himself to the Multiversal Probability Storm, spreading his Aura throughout space and time because He Who Remains knew, in order for him to get back on the throne, he would have to trigger the event that gave rise to his Multiversal variants and the War. With variants now visiting the Sacred Timeline, among others, and influencing the original Victor Timely/Kang/He Who Remains, who still exists on the Sacred Timeline, into defending his timeline which eventually leads right back to him at the end of time, dictating his Sacred Timeline once again. And it all ended AND began with the death and dispersion of Branched Victor's Aura, and the destruction of the TVA. A repeating, looped cycle. One that may possibly be finally broken in Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars.
I'm hoping that the spaghettification of the good and whole man of Victor Timely, seeds the multiverse with shards of himself to create the 33rd century variants of himself, leading to the chaotic multiverse war and Kang Dynasty... But for the rest of this series,bi don't know either, Loki clearly starts getting unstuck in time again on the sacred timeline, perhaps that gets him back InTouch with the Avengers??? It's got to end with Loki so it can start with Loki again right? Curiouser and curiouser
What if Loki already has been doing the loop he's just in the middle of the apex picking up in the story us reliving his and others viewpoint from the wall...
People have pointed out the profundity of how old Loki would have said "I'm a god" to posture himself as being superior, but he's grown to the point where he now says "we are gods" as a statement of moral responsibility. As in, "I'm a god, and that doesn't mean I'm better than you, it just means I have a responsibility to help and protect you". Character growth! The villainous team is just a shit-show of a hierarchy. You've got Brad, who's just selfish; following Rennslayer, who's an opportunist; following Miss Minutes, who's a psychopathic, psychotic, delusional, obsessive nutjob. Almost feels like how most real-world evil organizations are... organized.
I gotta give it to them - with the telephone thing they rlly had us thinking it would be a huge mcu moment but nope 😭😭😭 i cant even get mad at it it was lowkey a pretty funny GOTCHABI*** moment to the viewers xD
We are watching a snake eat it’s own tail at the end of this episode. Watching the end of the TVA means we are about to see it’s beginnings. It could have been it was Loki who took Mobius, Cassie, and B15 off the timeline originally which also is the time they find themselves in now, and set them on the path that lead them to the TVA. Maybe OB is like Kangs memory. He knows he will lose his memory, or another one of his variants must come into possession of the TVA first for it to end up in his hands, maybe OB is his partner and he wiped his memories of their true friendship to make him a sleeper cell moderator of the TVA. The broken statue at the end of time could even be Loki. Him and OB might have been who the two other time keepers are based on. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence we saw Victor and Mr Fantastic get spaghettified. Could be an Easter egg of their lineage. He could find himself being reassembled in the 31st century with the tech to power his ideas. I noticed one time keeper has eyebrows that flare up like Loki’s crown, the other has a mustache just like Mobius and the last looks like Kang. Also Ravonna is probably a Kang variant because now that she is in the void she will probably dominate Alioth and weaponize it…something Kang says he does. I don’t think that was a lie, I think he said “I,” as in a Kang variant. It could be why the TVA only allowed secluded lonely Lokis alive on the sacred timeline. He wanted to ensure that the only Loki’s capable of partnering together with their variant reach him at the end of time and do what him and his variant Ravonna could not. Work together.
What's worse; seeing the Minutemen being squished to death or just hearing and imagining what Renslayer (professional stern I don't give a shit look) and Miss Minutes (grinning and enjoying this look) or B-15's shocked facial expression. I'd prefer what was seen by the characters facial expression then that execution anyday.
Ouroboros calling the phone and causing the closed loop of loki pruning himself is figuratively brilliant.
everything is a ouroboros this season
@@LoneStarrTFTAnd quite fittingly, every bootstrap is related to OB in some way.
Well, kinda but not really.(?) In the first episode, the phone was ringing while Loki (past) was still in the corridor, and the phone was what lead him to the spot where Loki (future) pruned him. In this episode, the phone only starts ringing AFTER Loki (past) has already been pruned. This massively confused me when I first watched this, and I think it might just be an oversight.
(Could also be that we just don't get to hear it, because our viewpoint is focused on something else. But that wouldn't make much sense, since we still hear sounds like the elevator.)
The fact that Victor didn’t stutter when he said ‘Time to be brave’. It’s just that good good stuff.
He did however stutter as he violently turned to spaghetti
Poor B15 who keeps on witnessing things that are breaking her heart.
She needs a vacation lmao. I want her to get her own life on the timeline that involves nothing gruesome at all. Like a job making candy or something
Pretty insane ending... Victor thinking that Miss Minutes was mocking his stutter was hilarious.
😂
This was, I’d say, the darkest, bleakest thing marvel has ever done. That scene with Dox and the others getting crushed by Renslayer and Ms. Minutes was *actually* insane. And that ending…hooboy. Buhhhh-leak. GOD I loved it though.
oof that's rlly tough to say just given the impact of the first viewing of infinity war. that said i think i agree. this ep was fuuucked
That Victor timely death was actually disturbing
@@allymofo2332I think IW is now (a close) second, and I think most of why IW was so brutal was because of our connection to the characters.
@@Agent_Number13it’s not about how memorable the moment is, though. It’s just pure darkness. If you put a person who’d never seen any MCU stuff and had them watch the last ~40 minutes of IW, and then show them this episode - no other context - there’s no contest, this ep of Loki is far, *far* darker and bleaker. Having such a deep connection to the characters in IW made it more emotional and painful, of course. But that’s not the same thing as pure darkness and bleakness.
@@Agent_Number13Lol it was all undone in the very next crossover. This allows for the entire multiverse to die and secret wars to happen.
For the first time ever, Loki is taking the responsibility of being a god seriously. I loved that whole scene.
This is what I thought. Honestly the weight he said "we are gods" with was the first convincing portrayal of godhood in the MCU
No one is talking about Ravonna now being in a place with a bunch of Lokis that she most likely pruned
thats great! hate that b
She'll be fine. She's not going anywhere
And a giant temporal beast that consumes pruned timelines for its endless buffet
I'm almost thinking that's where next weeks episode will open up at!@@purgeblue
Good luck to her. She isn’t a match for them.
This episode made my stomach drop so many times
Viktors death is so violent.
All those red ribbons is his muscles and flesh peeled off him in a painful but seemingly quick death
Like Reed Richards when he was killed by a variant of The Scarlet Witch in the last Dr Stange film.
Victor’s demise was so gruesome. You can even see when his skull gets vaporized too after his skin is burnt off
My brain still hurts after watching this episode. The whole "ouroboros" effect and even the backwards Prisoner of Azkaban link (current Loki saving the past Loki who jumped forward in time, instead of current Harry jumping back in time to save past Harry) has just broke all my senses.
Episode 4 of most MCU series really have that WTF moments
This was the best ever ending of an episode of any Marvel series ever, making it so dramatic yet continuing with a horrific ending was marvelous
When OB rebooted the system to shutdown Miss minutes so the dampener for magic powers be turned off that means those infinity stones that are being stored inside the desk drawers in the office section of the TVA can be used for their powers so with this assumption if Loki thinks fast enough before the blast in the end wipe them out he could probably use the time stone to reverse or going back in time before the loom melts down to change things.
The Infinity Stones only work inside their own reality, so they probably won’t work in the TVA anyway.
This episode possibly changes the MCU forever and I think Victor Timely could've been scattered throughout time when he died creating all the Kang variants
OB already explained that you age really fast, your skin peels off and you die when exposed to temporal radiation. Like you literally see the strands disappear and then poof into smoke or whatever it was
No. The temporal energy just ages you then it disintegrates you. It kills you. Nothing else. It does not send you, multiple of you or any of your atoms/particles through time. Victor Timely is dead.
His rib cage and his jaw bone would say otherwise
@@aidenemerson670i cant 😂
@@Blehblehblehhowlongwillthisgo- I'm not joking. His bones are shown when he gets spaghettified
What if the “Big Bang” that Wong talked about in Infinity War was THIS EVENT?? And then the beacon he talked about in Shang Chi was the pulsing of the device before it went super nova
I really love Sylvie... she is not a nice person, but still feels like a good person.
@@freelikeyve but the team decided on keeping the branches, the meltdown is just a byproduct of that.
@@freelikeyveher actions are literally just a byproduct of the tva and their actions anyway. This was inevitable
she's a good egg acting on fight or flight mode
6:25 I love love LOVE the reference to the world's most famous time-travelling inventor, Doc Brown of the Back to the Future trilogy!
The look of horror when Timely got ribboned was the same look i had ...i still havent got over it
I felt sooooooooo bad. Especially since he was forced into this situation.
@@freelikeyve Ditto, my same look of shock and horror
Her plan was exactly the same as Loki & co, except she wanted to be the leader when the TVA is safe again and probably go back to a sacred timeline. But she wanted to fix the loom with Victor just like the others.
and she would be the one to decide the sacred timeline, the power hunger was strong with her
@@majidoujaa5592 I think her self-righteousness is what makes her a villain. Her hatred for the loki variants unable to see the good in them, going after sylvie as kid, destroying her timeline... Ravona would rather risk destroying everything than working with them. She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g I don't think it's personal towards Loki himself, it's the fact that SHE isn't on the action, a good outcome that doesn't involve her in any capacity might as well be the worst for her
By far the best Marvel since phase I. 💯
i think Loki will time slip to before TVA exist & recruit all the characters:- Mobius, B15, Casey etc. back to form the original TVA which is created by OB a.k.a. "Master of Time", then hijacked by Kang to use in d Multiversal War
Miss Minutes gathering all strength before reset just to tell Timely "Fuck you"
Honestly, that was the moment that freaked me out the most lol. I’m not a horror movie watcher and I kind of predicted Victor Timely would die when they kept mentioning the temporal radiation levels, so when Miss Minutes did that, I was just like…that’s some horror movie shit right there lol
19:59 Wait for real, she did the same thing to Loki and Mobius, and just crushed abunch of tva agents, she deserves to be imprisoned in the void or eaten by Alioth.
i have a wild theory but what if the explosion of the sacred timeline is like the bigbang its creating one sacred timeline with all the branches weaved into one and the possibility of other branches to be weaved into the new timeline possible without any disruptions
think this was my favorite MCU show episode of all the series so far.
Get ready to read a lot of comments Omni!!! One of the; if not the best of content Marvel has made!🤘🏿😱
People keep forgetting that this Victor Timely wasn't from the sacred timeline he was from a branched timeline the little boy who received the TVA book is the real Kang.
Ahhhhh
This comment gave me goosebumps
My working theory: They got played by Kang. There was a reason Timely needed to be turned into an infinite number of spaghetti pieces just as the loom exploded. It was to infect every surviving and emerging timeline with his essence/presence.
But it’s all just timelines of the same universe. I mean the destruction of the sacred timeline opens the door to the multiverse but I’m not sure how his death in this universe would scatter to other universes
That doesn't logically follow. Kang appears in every timeline regardless. His origin story is literally him stumbling upon an infinite number of him and Tadaa, war. There's no need to seed timelines when he simply is
@@nomercy4186yeah that’s true. I’m afraid Timely is dead dead
I think timely dying represents the breaking of the loop if was destined to become He Who Remains...we as an audience may not know it yet but that episode was the end of the "sacred timeline loop cycle"
Yeah. HWR told them that if they kill him he’s gonna end up right back there anyway. I feel like all of this is actually supposed to happen. The outcome will always be the same, with HWR on top of the TVA again
X5/Brad experienced the torture of that room when Loki actually trapped him in the box and squeezed him, so his decision to side with Ravona and Miss Minutes is justifiable.
He wasn't really tortured, he was threatened. Even if you do consider it torture, I'm not sure how that justifies murdering someone that way.
You’re crazy
@@StarkRG I don't see it as justifying the murder, more like it justifies his fear. He didn't want to feel that way again, and he did want to feel life on the timeline again. His actions totally make sense, that's what I read cerberus' comments to mean, not "murder is OK" but "His logic is OK".
@@Anitube He said his decision to side with them was justifiable. So, yeah, he's saying it was ok for him to side with murderers.
@@StarkRG "I understand why this character is responding to the situation that is in line with their character". That is what they are saying.
I'm glad you said the "you didn't say the magic word!" line ... I thought exactly the same thing! It had to be a reference to Jurassic Park. lol
Pruning has never felt more satisfying. Also, I laugh whenever two or more people say the same thing at the same time.
They forgot to tape the crack on the helmet
RIP Victor
I`m really excited to see how this season ends at.
Makes me what the final two episodes have in store
This is fascinating! It feels like a roller coaster that reveals the first half is only setting up a wilder last half. Episode 4 closed the loop to episode 1. It’s like this season is 2 seasons in 1. And Episodes 5 & 6 will explain everything else thats going on. The horror aspects were an especially nice touch. Brad fumbling in the darkness, Miss Minutes sadist disposition and cryptic final response. And a feeling, at least at the end of 4, the heroes don’t win.
I have a feeling Victor is still alive or maybe he's played his role and the real Kang is on his way, but all of this is part of He Who Remains contingency plan.
Doing everything to prevent your future only ensures it's completion, and the heavy Ouroboros metaphors along with the "time is a flat circle" thing is far too important to disregard.
You're reading way too much into it. It's too stupid to put that much effort into.
The characters are good, the direction is good. The story is fucking stupid and nothing can fix that. Time-travel, Multiverse, and rogue AI is always absolute stupidity. Just enjoy the genuinely good parts.
i completely forgot that the whole plan was essentially to get he who remains back at the citadel. so yes im sure he even planned down to these moments to get rid of other variants. very nice idea.
TIL, miss minutes is voiced by Tara Strong. I knew there was a reason I loved the voice
Dear princess...today I learned:
"You'll never be him."
I just got done watching it a few minutes before watching your reaction. That was my reaction as well. That ending was BRUTAL. Fuck Renslayer, Fuck Brad, Fuck Miss Minutes. Rip Victor Timely. Man I cannot even begin to imagine how the rest of season is going to wrap up, what an episode. 😦
Yeah i knew pretty much from the start that the TVA Handbook is a Paradox, could not exist without OB, but without Victor who used it HE could not have written it. :P
Miss minutes is literally like a YO ROBOT. And you don't know what artificial intelligence will do that will end up betraying you. But Victor Timbley left me in shock, he just wanted to do the right thing and be supportive. And they killed him in a way that made me feel... when I experienced the sensation of the heroes fading away in Infinity War.😭😱😭
hot coco needs to be on a shirt. like an add from the 1868: timely's hot coco machine or something
Just Great!! ….Sylvie ‘s pad;)
Keeping the Wall-E meat cube off screen to just think about it, dripping sounds as well, was probably the most gruesome the MCU has ever been debatably
Well, there was Thanos ripping the mind stone out of Vision's head, that was pretty brutal. But, yeah.
I was shocked they showed Loki getting his neck crushed on screen . It was horrific . I don’t watch it when rewatching the movie .
Each season of Loki episode 4 is always the shocking ones
I have always thought of the snake eating its tail as a symbol of self-destruction.
Now, the TVA will branch. Each TVA will work on its own branched timeline. Clean.
The effervescent clock lady monster thing!
This episode was absolutely insane!!
RIP to mom’s spaghetti
Omg 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Poor Victor didn't even get to try the cocoa...
This move could piss off a ton of fans, but I think it'd be wild if Ravonna took on the mantle of Kang and she's who becomes the big villain of Kang Dynasty. She's more than capable (both character and actress), they introduced the idea narratively (classic 'general usurping the throne' trope), and who really knows what happens when someone gets obliterated by temporal radiation (erased from all timelines, perhaps?). Not heart-set on this idea, but it's an interesting one.
Something has occurred to me, if Ms. Minutes was ordered to erase everyones memories, why does it feel like OB's memory is still the most in tact?
Ouroboros' memory was not erased following the plan. He should have written the Tva manual. Which was supposed to be given to Victor. Surely Ouroboros’ meeting with Victor was part of the plan. And without memory it is of no use. Maybe
@@kridens6536yeah. I think O.B will unfortunately take a turn which I would hate cause he has been my favourite character so far.
@@kridens6536I can not understand anything you are saying
@@gingerdog8203 I think he's saying He Who Remains *wouldn't* wipe Ouroboros' memory, because that would throw a wrench in his "in case of death" plan. Essentially Victor and Ouroboros meeting is all part of the plan. Perhaps it could even be that if Ouroboros loses his memories, he doesn't write the TVA handbook, and the TVA handbook doesn't get passed down to Young Victor Timely. It kills that loop.
THIS is a Loki that Thor and the Avengers can truly trust, at this point
I think Sylvie with HWR's timepad saves those in the room, but she doesn't have time to fully calibrate it which is why we see Casey in some sort of worker camp.
And also because that alternator thing Victor had looked so much like the engine in Quantumania, I am guessing the opening scene is that Kang dropping out of the ether, and probably into the Void.
He was spaghettified while holding a Throughput Multiplier, makes you think where he could be.
"You'll never be him."
The writing, cast, set design, dialogue, special effects, and character development. They're all so good! I expect this level of excellence from the MCU from now on. There are no more excuses.
This is the same thing that happened with endgame and now everyone wants every release to be endgame level but are disappointed when it’s not
But until now this series has been cheap, oddly acted and badly written so I don’t know what you’re talking about!
@@ZyliceLiddell bro tryna be different
I feel like it might be a big reset or something, like they all go back to a point in time. But they have their memories. Because they are really hinting at the whole time looping/Ouroboros/snake thing and the getting their magic back thing kind of stuck out to me. And I totally forgot about the magic blockers the TVA have. Either way this is the best Marvel show and I can't wait to see what happens.😄
Man that’s what I said. This has to be a big reset
Those two kill scenes are Disney Plus contribution to this year's Halloween season.
This episode was freaking fantastic, it literally shocked me that timely just went holy force it’s a shame I liked him!!! Miss minutes reaction to dox and her minutemen getting boxed she looked so happy. What the hell is gonna happen now can’t wait for next week ❤ great reaction Omn1
Dude this is insane
Subscribed 😊 also; victors death was just cold 😮miss minutes took “wipe their minds”-to a whole ‘nother level 😮 Ravonna definitely running into “variants” she’s sentenced to guilty 😬
It makes me so curious, if He Who Remains planned all of this, he must have known Timely would die. But why? His whole life creating the time loom, going to fix the TVA time loom, only to get absolutely vaporized? What an incredibly unfortunate demise. Filled with childlike wonder and excitement to have such a horrific death 🫣
That ending went from we've got a chance to oh no we lost to everything is terrible/spooky now real quick.
I think Victor did the 'sacrifice' at the end to use the 'multiplier' to make many copies of himself through out the timelines.
i was thinking about what if loki get those infinity stones before they go to that room and at the end he may use the time stone? well who knows 😅
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I think at the end of this season Loki, Sylvie, Mobius and Hunter will be the new "timekeepers" running the TVA; putting in place the offer He Who Remains gave them in season one. i love it when the Marvel Studios goes weird. beautiful episode.
Man, I really need a Loki and Thor reunion scene now that Loki is an actual good guy.. I know he was basically good by the end of Ragnarok, but I bet they'll have a great brotherly relationship now.
The stones were prune by B15 in S1. Plus, they’re not magic. And they don’t work bc they from other universe. I think the Space Stone might still be around somewhere.
The end credits music gave me some heavy Conjuring vibes lol Chills!
Now there are infinite universes with the end of the loom.
And also infinite amount of kang variants thus the return of the council of kang/ kang dynasty
You could say this is the true Ragnarok
I have this sneaking suspicion that the next episode is going to be a Groundhog Day scenario.
When Sylvie was chewing out Mobius. He was blinking quickly while Sylvie wasn't blinking at all.
I wonder if he DOES know what his life was on the timeline . It would be interesting if it’s not hood , but rather he’s on death row or serving 50 years so going back had no appeal
Did anyone else catch the subtle Back To The Future reference when OB was talking about his model loom or am I reaching?
Don't worry.....the Victory Timely that turned into spaghetti is a variant from a branch timeline ....the variant Victor Timely on the Sacred Timeline is still alive.
Good theory about Mobius in his life with Jet Skis. I think everything gets reset. Loki is back to his mischievous self.
When you said about Sylvia causing many deaths when she set off all the ‘things’ to lure everyone out of the TVA in season 1, I’m not exactly sure what she did, but didn’t it cause the timeline to produce loads of branches rather than prune them? It would’ve been the TVA who then pruned those again after that wouldn’t it?
Good point with the infinity stones, i totally forgot about those. I bet they use the time-stone to revert the time in the TVA to restore it and bring back everbody that died... mybe even the loom 🤔
I lost track of the number of times I yelled “BRAD YOU BITCH” tbh this episode solidified him as one of my favorite new characters
As i said, destroy all ai clocks!!! I dont even want the time dispayed on my phone anymore!
THIS SEASON FEELS LIKE IT'S MADE FROM NETFLIX AND ALWAYS HAS POTENTIAL TO HAVE ANOTHER SEASON.
Is Victor Timely the Impossible Girl?
Miss Minutes scares me! Even more now....
Imagine Miss Minutes reappears in Deadpool 3 and she takes him to the Deadpool Corp. timeline 😂😂 would be insane lol
I think Victor being spaghettified within that Probability Storm, just like the one seen in Quantumania that created the Ant-Man variants, but on a Multiversal scale, dispersed his Aura throughout all probable timelines, throughout the Multiverse.
It's a likely, and fairly reasoned theory. I immediately thought of it myself after this episode, after I picked my jaw up off the floor lol
Just think about it.
In Quantumania, Kang didn't dare go into the Probability Storm he sent Scott into because it would've created variants of him. The last thing Kang would want.
When Victor shreds, you can also see a purple or blue energy (possibly his Aura) disperse from his body into the Multiversal Probability Storm.
I think this is the end of the TVA, and I think the end of the TVA and the "death" of Timely are also the beginning, being the catalysts that gave rise to all the Kang variants and was also the beginning of the Multiversal War, which will lead to the eventual creation of the TVA by He Who Remains, which will, once again, lead right back to He Who Remains death and the TVA's and the original variant Victor of Victor/Kang/He Who Remains' destruction. And it just repeats, "like a snake eating its own tail".
1893 Timely was the ORIGINAL variant of ALL the Kang variants, including He Who Remains, who knew this and planned for his "sacrifice". Ms. Minutes coaxed Timely into the Multiversal Probably Storm because it was all part of He Who Remains' plan to "end up right back here anyways"
Victor Timely was originally from the Sacred Timeline, before Renslayer giving him the TVA handbook caused a branched timeline, making THAT Victor, the FIRST variant, with the original being of Victor Timely, the original predecessor all the Kang variants still existing on the Sacred Timeline, the same timeline that He Who Remains also happens to be from. So logically, that should mean that the 19th Century Victor Timely on the Sacred Timeline eventually BECOMES He Who Remains, after his future self sets his failsafe plan in motion with Ms. Minutes and Renslayer going back in time to He Who Remains original place on the Sacred Timeline as a child, creating the first variant that would be used to create his other variants by "paving the way" for O.G. variant Victor to expose himself to the Multiversal Probability Storm, spreading his Aura throughout space and time because He Who Remains knew, in order for him to get back on the throne, he would have to trigger the event that gave rise to his Multiversal variants and the War. With variants now visiting the Sacred Timeline, among others, and influencing the original Victor Timely/Kang/He Who Remains, who still exists on the Sacred Timeline, into defending his timeline which eventually leads right back to him at the end of time, dictating his Sacred Timeline once again.
And it all ended AND began with the death and dispersion of Branched Victor's Aura, and the destruction of the TVA.
A repeating, looped cycle. One that may possibly be finally broken in Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars.
Everyone’s MCU minds got bodied lmao this shit happens all the time in the comics but seeing it actually finally happen in Live action was badass
I'm hoping that the spaghettification of the good and whole man of Victor Timely, seeds the multiverse with shards of himself to create the 33rd century variants of himself, leading to the chaotic multiverse war and Kang Dynasty... But for the rest of this series,bi don't know either, Loki clearly starts getting unstuck in time again on the sacred timeline, perhaps that gets him back InTouch with the Avengers??? It's got to end with Loki so it can start with Loki again right? Curiouser and curiouser
What if Loki already has been doing the loop he's just in the middle of the apex picking up in the story us reliving his and others viewpoint from the wall...
OB is salty at at Silvie. But it is cute coming from him....
People have pointed out the profundity of how old Loki would have said "I'm a god" to posture himself as being superior, but he's grown to the point where he now says "we are gods" as a statement of moral responsibility. As in, "I'm a god, and that doesn't mean I'm better than you, it just means I have a responsibility to help and protect you". Character growth!
The villainous team is just a shit-show of a hierarchy. You've got Brad, who's just selfish; following Rennslayer, who's an opportunist; following Miss Minutes, who's a psychopathic, psychotic, delusional, obsessive nutjob. Almost feels like how most real-world evil organizations are... organized.
Yes!! Great points .
They got reset to start of their lives all the way back to Jotunheim...
I don't know if I'm overthinking things but the shot of Casey going down with the device is odd. Maybe he tampered with it?
I gotta give it to them - with the telephone thing they rlly had us thinking it would be a huge mcu moment but nope 😭😭😭 i cant even get mad at it it was lowkey a pretty funny GOTCHABI*** moment to the viewers xD
We are watching a snake eat it’s own tail at the end of this episode. Watching the end of the TVA means we are about to see it’s beginnings. It could have been it was Loki who took Mobius, Cassie, and B15 off the timeline originally which also is the time they find themselves in now, and set them on the path that lead them to the TVA. Maybe OB is like Kangs memory. He knows he will lose his memory, or another one of his variants must come into possession of the TVA first for it to end up in his hands, maybe OB is his partner and he wiped his memories of their true friendship to make him a sleeper cell moderator of the TVA. The broken statue at the end of time could even be Loki. Him and OB might have been who the two other time keepers are based on. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence we saw Victor and Mr Fantastic get spaghettified. Could be an Easter egg of their lineage. He could find himself being reassembled in the 31st century with the tech to power his ideas. I noticed one time keeper has eyebrows that flare up like Loki’s crown, the other has a mustache just like Mobius and the last looks like Kang. Also Ravonna is probably a Kang variant because now that she is in the void she will probably dominate Alioth and weaponize it…something Kang says he does. I don’t think that was a lie, I think he said “I,” as in a Kang variant. It could be why the TVA only allowed secluded lonely Lokis alive on the sacred timeline. He wanted to ensure that the only Loki’s capable of partnering together with their variant reach him at the end of time and do what him and his variant Ravonna could not. Work together.
This is Ragnarok even for this loki
What's worse; seeing the Minutemen being squished to death or just hearing and imagining what Renslayer (professional stern I don't give a shit look) and Miss Minutes (grinning and enjoying this look) or B-15's shocked facial expression. I'd prefer what was seen by the characters facial expression then that execution anyday.
Okay, show of hands, who actually saw that ending coming? 😨
I had a feeling Victor would die. But not like this.
@@crimsonghoul8983”but not like this” 😂😂🍝
i was jokingly saying victor just dies the moment he steps out of the blast doors
i... i didn't think it would actually happen... shit.