American .300 Blackout vs Russian VSS Vintorez - Suppressor Showdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2022
- Since we have a 9X39 VSS, we figured it only made sense to put it up against .300blk, it’s American counterpart, to see how the two actually stack up!
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Thanks for watching guys! So which one of these guns would you rather have? Let me know down in the comments!
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Vintorez, ez
Yo
The Sig Rattler, no bias here!
Got here after it was 22 seconds old
Impressive, very nice. Let’s see Paul Allen’s subsonic ammo
This comment wins
XD
Even has a watermark
look at the subtle, rose gold colouring, the tasteful thickness of it, oh my god, it even has a steel core
The soft, subtle, off color white of the ammunition
Video was too quiet, can’t hear the gunshots
Laughing way too hard at this...😂😂
AK50=problem solva
Sound is a figment of Brandon's mind. Lol.
People don't get this comment are so disappointed lmao. Great job to the AK lord!
ja
I'm no gun person. But the VSS is one of the coolest guns in existence.
Thanks STALKER.
Fellow stalker how is the zone treating you
Good hunting stalker!
*NOSTALGIA INTENSIFIES*
@@MounibAjdknope that is the emissions that is intensifying
@@mrstalker4733 true
If a suppressor hasn't had a round fired for a period, it will in fact be louder due to atmospheric oxygen burning inside. After its been shot the residual gasses help reduce the atmospheric oxygen inside so followups will be quieter
Thank you for this :)
@@CouchDoritos With the downfall of course of producing a shit load more smoke when you start letting off rounds. Just food for thought
Science.
yes exactly what i was thinking
Oil imo
I read that as ".300 Blackout Russian VSS Vintorez" and I thought I was about to watch an unbelievably cursed caliber swap.
Don’t lathe that into existence
pls
Middle Eastern gunsmiths are angrily scribbling notes now
@@zfangelo2693 "Write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!"
@@zfangelo2693 "Yooooo... YOOOOOO! Hamood! Warm up the lathes; we got some SHIT to do!!"
The sex appeal on the VSS is unmatched
ain't no way i find your ass down here
We all know which Rasputin would have chosen.
I generally find ARs (that don't have too many accessories) to be much more attractive than AKs, but _damn_ that VSS is hot!
Have you seen the wood furnitured Honey Badger?
Its sex appeal is improved by that 29 round magazine.
but can the .300 blackout hunt bloodsuckers?
Get out of here, Stalker!
i mean it probably could but unless youre a merc or freedumb i dont think you would get too much ammo availability in the zone lol
Long live duty
That shit could kill a pseudogiant with one or two magazine, but goodluck getting any aac blackout rounds in the zone.
----12 gauge gang
the real questions
VSS for me wins the looks. It looks unique, simple, and i love the AK platform.
Its not an AK though
@@foxy126pl6
its as much an ak as the pp19 or the dragunov
@@themilkman6969 You are wrong. PP19 is literally AK for pistol cartridge and 60% of its parts are from AK74SU. Made by Kalashnikov's son for Kalashnikov concern. So PP19 is AK. Dragunov is different, yes, but still inspired by AK platform heavily and inherits many constructive ideas from AK. And it's made for Kalashnikov concern too (by Dragunov obviously). VSS is completely different. The only thing resembling AK is its looks, nothing more. Made at TsNIITochMash by many people and have nothing in common with AK
@@KeksimusMaximus
the point i was making is that it *is* part of the ak family
@@themilkman6969 Well, you're wrong either way. PP19 is AK family. Dragunov not so much. VSS not at all.
Brandon: Sound isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
Also Brandon: Throws sound meter at AK.
rip the ak
@@gamingghosto8494 AK not hurt. AK kills even if it just hang on the wall.
Best comment today
F**k that sound meter lol I woulda done the same thing
10:26 Demo explained that in a video. The first shot with a suppressor is always louder because of the oxygen built up in the suppressor, so the first shot will get rid of all the oxygen and then make the nexts shots quieter.
Doesnt help when he took off the shroud he exposed all the baffles lol
He also said FRP after which is First Round Pop, So he 100% knew anyway.
Came to the comments expecting to see this. Glad I didn't have to type it myself.
Pretty sure a lot of
People have made that explanation.
Polenar Tactical also explained this in their video about silencers
Original VSS' silencer have only 3 deflectors because of resonance and standing wave effect. The deflectors are at the right distance, it is easy to calculate, because the soundwave from a subsonic bullet is harmonic! It's not to easy as seems :)
Yeah it sounds really cool 😎
When VSS was modernized as VSSM, they kept the same suppressor. They didn't go fix something, that wasn't broken.
And that is the thing here, the gun has incorrect suppressor because import sanctions.
The VSS was well designed, and even when it can be joked "worst muffler, with some bent hardwarestore washers in it" it still does correctly everything, and is easy to clean and service.
@@paristo That doesnt make it good lol. The T34 tank "won the war because it was easy to make and repair" but if it got rained on it would kill the electronics lolll.
@@Salamandra40k T-34 didn't have any problems with rain.... You even thinking that to be true tell how little you don't just know, but understand about the topic.
And VSS suppressor design is specifically designed by purpose, not by just slapping something together that was on the table at that moment when someone told "I want it to be low noise!".
@@paristo Lolll, go tell that to the chieftan, who specifically mentions it in one of his videos on the topic, that the T34 would break down not only crossing small streams because it would fry the electronics if they got wet, but also that a heavy rain would do the same to them. You are legit just biased- they were garbage tanks AT THE BEGINNING. Obviously they got better over time, but that takes til the end of the war to reach real, reliable quality.
An interesting fact about the Val is that the cartridge and supressor were designed not only to supresss the sound, but also to create vibrations that our hearing aids are less able to perceive. The sound of the shot itself is still relatively loud, but we react worse to sounds in this range.
React worse to the sound of a suppressed rifle? How so?
I was definitely not expecting a dankula edit, but for sure is a welcome surprise
When is it?
@@gustavferreira627 Somewhere around 6:30.
@@gustavferreira627 6:34
Loved it, cleck the lenk 😂
@@thetankhunter100 Thank you.
That "first round pop" (from the bolt-action) is caused by more oxygen being in the barrel than the follow-up shots.
Edit: If you want to fill your barrel with Co2 look up a "Gallo Drain Gun" and use that to remove the oxygen. You can then seal your system by chambering a round and taping the other end. Some suppressors also support sealing with a "wipe".
It's also because it's a monolithic suppressor design.
They always have more FRP than conventional baffle stacks.
TFB tv covers this pretty good. And explains exactly that
Epic. You learned this 1 day ago on a other gun tube channel. Thanks for sharing! It IS caring
@@notyouraveragegoldenpotato learned this a while ago. At least someone put it in the comments for the people. Stop being so petty
I just know Matt says the first round is always louder so I believed him, nice to know the reason.
It feels so wrong to see vintorez without its signature scope
You mean PSO-1?
@@glebonita fellow stalker chad
PSO-1-1
@@daveabobda6239I’m out here smoking that zone za 💨
The VSS is an incredible rifle. You barely hear it when shot outside
Brandon: Sound isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
Deaf people: *Puny mortal*
Aint the 16" mains on Iowa Battleship
loud enough to kill people standing to the side of it (over-pressure)
@@rwbimbie5854 there were in fact safety regs which forbade the guns from firing at certain angles in order to prevent that.
@@rwbimbie5854 Ah, I love heavy artillery.
@@rwbimbie5854 If you were anywhere on the deck when those fired you would be liquid instantly.
@@nathanz7205 if I remember right, the Imperial Japanese Navy had regulations that required their anti-aircraft gunners (ALL of them, lol) to evacuate below decks before the main battery would fire, at least on their battleships
Kongo, Hiei, Haruna, Kirishima, Ise, Hyuuga, Fusou, Yamashiro, Nagato, Yamato and Musashi
so good luck fighting off an aerial attack, and surface combatants at the same time
That first round pop is because there's still oxygen inside the system. When you fire off the 1st shot it will ignite along with whatever propellant, making more noise. The second shot is quieter because there's less oxygen in the system to ignite because of the gas exiting the system
I commented on the first round pop... but I went scrolling to make sure... this needs more upvotes
yep that's why you wet your can if you go for that sneaky hood rad shit like a pro! I am a lot bit disappointed that Mat didn't know that!
this^
Somebody design a forced nitrogen purge for cans. I love the idea of a "Push to Shush" button.
"still oxygen inside the system. When you fire off the 1st shot it will ignite along with whatever propellant"
Oxygen by itself does not ignite, it needs fuel.
The propellant has both fuel and oxidizer in it, both are released from the surface of a particle when its heated, it does not need external oxygen to burn.
Make sure you've calibrated your sound level meter before use. Also, you should try to set the scaling to dB-C on the instrument; it's much more accurate for impact noises.
dB-A would more closely match what the human ear perceives. My guess is that they had it on dB-C.
Too late.
Yah I don’t see that happening, I’m pretty sure I heard plastic breaking, hope he bought it on amazon, I would send it back and get a refund since whoever sold it had false and misleading statements in the description. $350 for a decibel meter is bs.
Do you want humans slaves to make media for other human slaves and their owner?
I love how Brandon got to find out that Decibels don't mean jack with suppressors lol
These rounds give a whole new meaning to “suppressive fire” lol.
XD
Wow… 🤣
Suppressed suppressing fire!
I see.....I see what you did there but that was a dad joke so I'm gonna need you to take the long distance high 5 I'm sending you and then see yourself out.
Crazy how Brandon uploading can drastically change your day for the better
Damn this sub level content!
Bro, too true. He's got a great sense of humor. I NEVER (literally) laugh-out-loud, but Brandon's vids usually illicit a chuckle or guffah. FUCK I need those, these days.
This is my current mood.
The louder first shot is always going to happen. The baffles don’t have the gasses from the rounds initially. But after the gasses fill up the can, it’s definitely quieter
3:49 The bottle starts spraying and the guy still focuses on the rifle by putting it on safe, you can see his hand doing it. That's what i love to see, proper handling of firearms. Many people would be focused on the bottle and try to move, and maybe they would forget about the safety switch. And possibly they would end up in a Darwin Award video.
How can you tell either of them have the brains required to focus?
Personally, I love that VSS's look. Just so simple and clean looking, very minimalistic functional. I'd still love to have that Rattler though for personal normal use.
I felt the same way. I wouldn't turn either one down
The VSS reminds me of the rifles used in the original Planet of the Apes, just clean and cool.
"Comrade, what if AK, but suppressed rifle?"
@@PlgDctr what if we put maglite flashlight on end of ak and it go quiet?
The VSS is just a classic looking firearm in addition to being pretty unique to boot so while the 300 is clearly the practical choice, the VSS takes all of the style points.
This is the correct take
so that's why Brandon need to rechamber Vintorez to .300 Blackout
Man I would have loved to see just a simple 3A armor setup with ballistic gel behind it... Feel like you could have shelled out for that to test these two amazing cartridges. Also, decibels are measured exponentially, just by the by
That sound that the VSS Vintorez makes is INSANE! It sounds like something you might here in a Hollywood movie! In fact, it's the closest sound to a Hollywood sniper rifle or silenced rifle I've ever heard!
The VSS just has that old world charm.
Like it's been around a while and knows what it's doing.
Rattler looks like it's the new hotness, probably runs well, is engineered for more specific scenarios,
but i still say the VSS just has that sexy shape.
VSS is babushka rifle
9x39 is one of the few rounds that makes 300blk look cheap and available!
I've never had trouble getting my hands on 300 BO rounds, and its the cheapest round i use for hunting so to me its not too expensive.
@@gregorybower2759 do you use sub sonics? If yes, for which animals
@@darkice4546 elephants duh
@@darkice4546 Brontosauras
don't forget 9x39mm enter soviet service in 1980
+1 for the Count Dankula "Foreshadowing" bit!
Actually the whole video was awesome and literally answered my questions about 9x39 VS .300! nice!
To my knowledge to get the most accurate decibel reading the meter needs to read the sound waves coming and going. If the meter is behind the breach it's only measuring the sound waves as they are going sway.
we need more collabs like this. I love my ARs but that VSS is a thing of beauty.
yeah love black rifle getting a lil involved too
If anyone is curious, the sound meter is not working for guns because gunshots are really loud and they are really quick. Most of the OSHA meters are trying to make sure something is under 130 dB as that is the usual limit in the United States, and it takes an average of the pressure over several seconds to register the constant but it does not sample fast enough to actually register the peak of the pressure wave. They can be somewhat useful to give relative ratings, so if you put a sampler the same distance and orientation from the muzzle of two guns then it will tell you which one is probably louder, but how much louder it is still cannot be trusted. There is absolutely no way to convert or translate those readings to actual accurate numbers. Most of the time dB ratings are worthless anyway and virtually all of the advertised levels for silencers are lies, and I say that as a design engineer for a silencer manufacturer that has published some obviously incorrect dB ratings. I still give a manager grief for publishing the dB level he got on his iPhone in the product launch announcements. "Really, you think its a 78 dB reduction? You think you invented the quietest silencer in the world on your first try?? Oh wait, our good meter says it is only a 12 dB of reduction, weird! I wonder which one is correct, given the ringing in my ears???" Daily reminder that just because someone does something for a living it doesn't mean they have any idea what the *F* they are talking about. Anyway, while the military does have an official standard of testing for how loud a gun is, usually manufacturers are not using that standard when testing (if actually testing at all). If you want legit levels hire a reputable sound engineer for a day or drop $3-5k on a forensic sound meter designed specifically for gunshots.
Underrated comment
Best comment so far! And even if they had the right equipment they still have had to measure the exact distance from the source, as well as take different readings from different directions as i guess a gun is no where near a perfectly omnidirectional source
Thank you, you explained it better than I could have.
I still have to explain to people that the suppressed M3 was not 85 dB as people claimed. If they could get a .45 that quiet in the '40s, we could still do it today. They just sucked at measuring it because, well, they were using 1940s technology.
@@TheScrubsfanforever That's not even the half of it! Sound itself is not a simple thing, it's our interpretation of very tiny changes in air pressure over time. This means that environment is a major factor as well because the pressure wave reverberates off surfaces and comes back in echo. Outside of a sound booth there is always an echo but usually it is so fast our brain doesn't register it unless the reflection is from far enough away or if it's an echo of an echo of an echo. Since sound is a factor of pressure over time if you shoot outside in an open field on a grassy knoll for instance you mainly get the primary wave then a minor ground reverberation and that's it. If you shoot in a typical indoor range you get the primary wave then you get the reverberation off the shooting booth then off the concrete floor then off the bullet trap combined with the noise of the bullet hitting the trap (which, as they noted, is frequently louder than the gun when shooting suppressed) then the reverberation off the floor of the bullet hitting the trap. That noise just got like 6 times longer, which means it is perceived as being louder to the ear even if the actual peak of the noise was the same.
@@Bacteriophagebs haha exactly. This isn't to say things like the welding rod and the zipper gun and the de lisle were not super quiet for the time, they for sure were, and in some cases some guns can be made Hollywood quiet, but most were still pretty loud. It's also important to remember that the past was very loud too! Machines were much louder, cars without mufflers before our man Maxim, hard hobnailed shoes on cobble, and the reports of generals having silenced stens mag dumped within 10 yards of them and them not hearing it is less evidence of the silence of the sten and more evidence that general was a veteran of many Enfield firing lines, artillery barrages, or Vickers nests because he is probably deaf as a cabbage.
The sound of the ricochet from the VSS is absolutely insane and I'm all in for it 🙌
Brandon: Sound doesn't actually exists
Veterans: Then we don't actually have tinnitus
Tinnitus isnt sound.
@@rist98 it is what happens when there's TOO much sound
The VA definitely says they don't
@@Stlaind "We've determined that you injury isn't service related due to its inexistence"
Oh, rist98, you’re so funny
can we take a second to appreciate matts attention to his muzzle direction in the beginning when showing off the rattler, chef's kiss
I thought I was the only one who appreciated it. My comment before I read this 👆up there somewhere.
And trigger discipline after the soda stream dodge.
Yeah I noticed that, was very cash money of him. Actually made me want to check out his content
@@warrenharrison9490 if you watch in the slo-mo he even engages the safety before standing. excellent gun handling skills
I already upvoted for the Dank cameo, but:
"America is awesome. If you don't agree with that, then you probably had oil in your country at some point" deserves a second one. :D :D :D
I learned from matt: the first shot with a silencer is always little bit louder cuz there is oxygen in the silencer and after the first shot thats gone(burned) and thats the reason its much quiter😊
Aesthetically speaking, the Rattler is one of the coolest modern ARs, but the VSS is one of the most beautiful weapons in history imo
How about Knights Armament tho?
@@milkyyanks765 anyone who likes Knights for anything other than the MSASS is a fucking hipster
Agreed
It also carries 950 rpm
How about SVD sniper rifle?
On why the first shot was louder, that's a phenomena called "First Round Pop" or FRP. Before you start shooting there's a lot of oxygen in the suppressor that is burned off by the first and second shot and replaced by burnt gas and it gets silent after that. To negate FRP you can spray an inert gas into the suppressor to replace the oxygen like a CO2/Nitrogen spray and some military guys shoot off a round into the dirt before going on mission and tape off the barrel to keep FRP to a minimum.
Surprising people who own all these suppressors and make a living off shooting them don’t know that ; o.
This is an awesome explanation, thank you man!
I noticed this but never knew the reason why. Fantastic to know some of the science behind it.
The "Shoot a round off into the dirt and put a strip of masking tape over the muzzle" trick is good for a few hours of eliminating FRP. After that, enough O2 works its way in that you have FRP again.
So it does work, but it has its limitations.
Also, this only applies to closed bolt guns. Where rhe fresh cartridge "seals" the breech end.
I learned something here. Cool.
9x39 is THE most comparable round to 300 Blackout sub-sonic loads. If you graph their ballistics, they're almost parallel performers, with 300 Blackout holding ~10% higher performance from muzzle to 500 meters.
Had to Smash the Like Button just for the presence of MBestix!
Also smashed it for suppressors no matter if they're thread on or integral because well like I told your girlfriend, Silence is Golden and Duck tape is Silver.
10:03 its called a supressor pop, happens when taking first shot, while the oxygen is still in the device. Next shot is much more quiet. Becouse of the gunpowder, thats Just burned inside the supressor.
Probably made even worse by the fact that Matt literally took the thing off to show us the baffles, which was really cool, but definitely meant that he was gonna have a loud(er) first shot.
Yep, got to urinate in that fucker first piss on your enemy.
brandon im an nvh engineer and would love to do a complete spectral analysis using iso standards, Those sound meters are notorious for being inaccurate and need to be calibrated against a reference tone and pressure, you can get extremely technical with sound pressure/power on something like ballistics
I think he'd also need to measure peak, no? He's measuring LAF Max, which I don't think is repeatable for proper transients... He'd also need to calibrate it, which he didn't do.
Distance from sound and objects materials around also influence it.... its magic sorta
Jay at PewScience is already ahead of you.
I just built a 10 inch .300 blackout... went with a vortex holographic with 3x magnifier cost me about 2200 to put it together.... and I love the gun I got a OSS suppressor I run on it and it runs amazing!!!
As far as I understand suppressors, while they do provide room for the gasses to expand in the baffles, another significant part is that they direct the sound of the shot downrange better. Most likely, the sound meter is picking up the poorly reflected and disrupted sounds off of the berms and less from the rifle itself.
The boost in confidence I get whenever Brandon calls me a “Sexy TH-cam mother lover” is indescribable with words.
Well some time ago he said he wanted us all to go to the gym so that we will all be sexy youtube mother lovers
Really cuz I’m always filling suit for sexual harassment!!!
Obviously sarcasm 😂
I think you meant to say all the vahjeens drying up when he says sexy TH-cam mother lovers is indescribable with words
Ive always loved the look of the AS Val and VSS Vintorez, so they are clear "Winners" for me.
yep. When he said the Sig was so much prettier I chuckled because I think the VSS is one of the sexiest guns ever. The Sig isn't even close.
@@usernamesrlamo EXACTLY
Sgt, согласен с тобой✔️
Shorty AR blows all these out of the water.
yes
Your t-shirt with "стопхам" is as awesome as this video ))
The 300 whisper actually came out in 1992 when JD Jones developed it. The commercialization of the 300 blk might be recent but the round isn’t. Pretty much any suppressed caliber you can think of was done by him.
Referring to this as scientific makes me want to see a 5hr livestream of Garland Thumb and Paul Harrell testing ammunitions rifles from WW2 and Korean War Era.
*Utopia does exist*
“Garland thumb” 😂
@@musicman3351 need to add Charlie in there for some expert commentary too.
robski from akou has a channel where he shoots older rifles and shoots targets till one countries rifle misses if im not mistaken vintage rifle club i think is the name
with commentary by ian
The first round is always gonna be louder in a suppressor because of the oxygen that gets burned thats in the suppressor. After the first shot there is no oxygen left to be burned so it muffles more. There are plenty of other videos that explain this better than what Im saying. But you get the idea.
Looks like I gonna go to bed less stupid tonight.... ;)
@@alainarsenault1458 Less ignorant, not stupid.
Now even less ignorant.
Also monocore has a little more pop on the first round over k baffle, it is user serviceable though
@@BB-1990 I was gonna say less stupider
Yay. I have gained knowledge
Brandon Herrera is the only man in flip flops that I respect
I was stoked to build a 9x39 AR platform having read Russians development of the subsonic 7.62 which lead to the 9x39. Then the 8.6 Blackout became a thing, which further advances the heavy subsonic ideals. Having a 8.6 build I'd still wouldn't mind a VSS in the stall.
“360 no scope!”
*turns 180 degrees*
Brandon should build an integrally suppressed Hi-Point Carbine
I hate this idea so much.
Brandon please do this.
Finally, some Herrera level dogshit!
Make one in full auto too.
We need this. If only for Brandon's hate and/or apathy to show more. It might need help from friends too...
In 10mm?
@@IgoByaGo YES!!!
for those who doesnt know, According to Matt (demolition ranch) the first shot of a surpressed barrel is always louder than the second shot because the air inside is different
Love the show.....great to see the difference and choice to have our there...Thank you for the comparison ...like both...would not kick them out of bed😉
Excellent dank cameo. AKG AND COUNT DANKULA CROSSOVER!
Oh yes!
From somebody who works with sound and sound measuring let me tell you: A decent decibelmeter that works good and can actually be used to measure for example workplace noise etc. costs upwards of 4k$ and needs to be calibrated every year.
The key to measuring gunshots is the rise time of the sound meter. Suppressed gunshots are VERY short events and so the meter must be able to react quickly enough to capture all of the sound event. The meters that are used to capture gunshots typically require a rise time faster than 20 microseconds.
First shot through the bolt ignited the oxygen in the suppressor. First shot louder. You had both already shot the ox out of your cans when you tested the Rattler and Vintorez.
Wish I could afford all three of those!
Mat Best seems like a really chill guy underneath the crazy paint job
For a self defense or primary weapon, I'd choose the rattler. As a collector or cool factor I'd choose the vss.
@Broccoli Rob VSS of course. Even right now in Ukraine FSB Spetsnaz use some of these together with AS VALs.
Im pretty sure Lobaev DVL 10 can beat both of them in cool factor, usability, practicality and collectability. They already combat proven in Ukraine and somehow escape US sanction.
@Broccoli Rob Lobaev DVL 10 is a hot gun among Mercenaries and rebel forces on Russian side and I think is a far more useful gun since it has the option to shoot full cartridge.
@Broccoli Rob battle proven doesn't mean "best". Is a basic bitch Colt M4A1 a better AR than a Knight's SR16 or LMT SpecWar because the M4A1 has seen waaaaay more combat usage than the other 2?
Also, the Rattler has seen usage for PSDs by Naval Special Warfare DEVGRU whereas the VSS is a standard issue weapon to some Russian infantry, of course it'll see more use.
Don't discount the BRN-180S, the BRN and the MCX use the same gas piston and dual buffer arrangement as the AR-18 but the BRN is way cheaper and shares more parts commonality with the AR-15.
I still can't believe Brandon, an SOT, didn't make his VSS full auto. Truly a tragedy
I think it makes sense, he probably won't have his sot forever, sad to say but realistic. At least if/when he decides not to renew it he can keep it , and pass it to children or family he may have in the future
Most likely due to Ammo cost
I can't believe this is like the one comment be didn't like
I'm not from the US so I have no idea about ammo prices, but if the 9x39 goes for $3-4 a pop... That's like sending $3-4k per minute in the trash lol
because he didn't make it there's a company that makes them
I love the way the VSS looks
In Russia VSS available for all who have license for rifled hunting weapon, ammo also in stock. Silencers denied, so civil version has barrel all way long through outer tube. But we have desigion for this - outer tube just 4 inches longer and quiet more than original.
what I learned from forgotten weapons is that the second and third shots are lower in volume because the expansion gases fill the barrel instead of air and due to their nature supress better than the air that was here on previous shot
Also the original VSS shroud / suppressor was designed to use rubber wipes for the first few shots, it was reported quieter than shown by Brandon's
A sound meter for measuring firearms needs a rise time of 20 micro seconds or less, and 160,000 sample rate to meet the mil standard.
Haha first thing I thought when I read your comment was “look at this nerd.” Love it!
I have no idea if this is correct but it sounds good so thumbs up.
Translated... "you used the wrong meter gents!"
They also need to take the audio samples from the specified range or else the sound data is pretty useless.
Love the VSS Vintorez subsonic round that packs a punch
I had my AR in a 9x39 with an 8.5 inch barrel with a Rugged Obsidian 9 Suppressor.It took a lot of spring and buffer weights to get it to function flawlessly.Much quieter than a 300 even the 300blk out owners agree.Sold the gun because I could not longer find cases of ammo
the sound of 9x39 ricochets makes is awesome.
11:53 That poor AK was so happy to be considered worthy of a spot on the gun wall, it didn't realize the responsibilities that come with it...
If that VSS still has no fun switch then its a wasted opportunity.
Full auto isn’t fun when it’s $4 a round 😂
@@BrandonHerrera Well, it'll be fun at the moment, won't it?
@@BrandonHerrera wouldn't even suprise me if it's at 8$ by Tuesday lmao
That’s what the AS VAL or SR-3 Vikhr are for.
@@BrandonHerrera plus it would hurt the value making it a postie. You could probably come up with a drop in sear though
Comparing noise levels is fine, but those will be close anyway (actually it would be more interesting to compare those at ~50-100 m, where some additional differences may appear due to the different sound spectra - and it's the distance where silencing actually starts to have some tactical meaning anyway). The most important part, however, is that all the tested weapons have very different ballistics, so the most informative comparative testing would be measuring accuracies and penetrating capabilities at various distances.
Love the wood stock w/camo gun
The 300BLK technically came out in the early 90s and was originally called 300 whisper. I am willing to bet that the rattler was running in the low 900fps with that super short barrel.
yea. Nato standardized it from .300 whisper. Guy who made the whisper was a genius.
the 300 only need a 9 inch barrel to get full rotation velocity, i think 900s way too much of a low ball tbh, this prob has at least 1750
most factory 300BLK subsonic ammo (what he's shooting) is loaded to go 1050ish FPS out of a 16" barrel, with 5" barrel you are more than likely be in the lower 900 FPS. If he was shooting supersonic (1750FPS) which you suggested you would hear the sonic boom of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. You can achieve enough rotation velocity to stabilize the bullet with as short as a 4 inch barrel and maybe shorter. The whole 9" barrel thing is that if can efficiency burn its powder charge in a 9" barrel, but still benefits from added velocity in longer barrels.
vintorez for sure, I love how integrally suppressed looks with the thick "barrel"
Thicker than a snicker barrel lel
it´s so unique so thats why it´s is better... becouse when shooting you wanna enjoy not to succeed.... just like that most unreliable pistol....
the only thing that looks better is the as val
Watching this video, enjoying some gun facts, and then...
SUDDEN DANK!
Hell yeahs
The bolt action was the quietest, followed by the VSS, that came across pretty clearly on my end. Still a great video and informative!
The bolt action sounded louder than the bolt action.
I gotta disagree with Matt, the VSS has a rustic charm to it, especially with wood furniture and the blackened steel body. But to be fair, looks don't mean much, I'll take .300 blackout any day of the week just for convenience.
I love the VSS. It's a seriously sexy piece of work.
@@AlphaMachina Too, russian guns had my heart bcs They are cheap, Durable, beautiful Post World war building style using Stamped Metal and Wood
And the other thing, after seeing like a gazillion AR variants I can only appreciate the unique looks of the VSS.
Wood and steel will always be sexier than alloy and polymer, but the Sig is far more useful with better controls.
@@Russinh0
Russian guns aren't exactly cheap
Brandon, as scientist myself, i can tell you there are sounds you can't hear that are loud. Called ultrasounds.
They have high frequency, human ear can't hear it, but some animals can, dogs, bats etc.
Just as you can't see ultra-violet or infra-red light. Maybe you got wrong settings on the device.
I didn’t know that’s what that was called. That’s cool to know.
You made my morning with this video thank you
Lots fun watching the goof Offs. For better impact with the 300 Blackout the 240 gr Sierra Matchking was superb until they quite making them. 220 MK seems as heavy as they make now so if are using those a little doctoring to increase expansion rates may help if done carefully. I did this a long time ago with original Sierra 185 gr 45 Hollow points that would not expand. A 60 degree angle center punch my dad a tool and die maker reprofiled tap gently into the nose made a huge difference in performance and were shown to Sierra at a NSGA show in the 60's resulting in line shut down and redesign of their bullets. The same can be done with match king with a very small sharp angled punch open the tip about 2 millimeters wider in a uniform matter. Test until fast uniform expansion with tight groups are achieved.
One of my anti-gun friends…
So well played.
Indeed
it's true tho
@@T4nkcommander wdym
@@bigtony2559 The founders/owners of Black Rifle (almost all of them) are anti gun. They and the company have donated to democrats and anti gun organizations numerous times.
TheModernSurvivalist has a great video on the topic.
@@bigtony2559 he donated money to anti gun democrats and then refused to support Kyle Rittenhouse after acting like he was cool with him
9x39 is definitely my favorite soviet cartridge. The SR-3M is one of the coolest guns that uses it too.
9x39 does what it's intended to do, 300 blk is more of an improvised way of doing something similar. 300 blk factory loads are either sub sonic and equivalent in power to .45 acp or pretty much 5.56 power with more recoil and less accuracy. Would be really cool if 9x39 just became a thing instead of .300 blk becoming a thing because everyone already has .223 brass to re neck.
Love the VSS, all day! 300BLK is pretty cool; very easy to come by and looks good. The VSS is just badass. 9x39 is super hard to come by here in CT (because we are a great, gun-hating state), and the gun itself is nearly impossible to find.
Awesome video as always!
10:14 the first shot was louder because the baffles in the supressor were filled with oxygen wich alowed the powder to burn longer and as a result you bullet goes faster and sound is louder, avery subsequent shot is quieter because that first shot used up all the oxygen in the supressor
The hidden jokes had me dying. The “I should call her” and “we’ll you’ve probably had oil in your country” was amazing and perfect. Keep it up and Let’s Go Brandon
Yeah especially from a dude whos life was enforcing deep state rule for corrupt politicians in foreign countries and continues to push their bs in ours. It's "haha" funny.
Lol I missed the oil one
I love your videos but teaming up with Evin from brcc is lame.
@@ryanmeeker8587 That isn't Evan?
@@Andy-rr6hz Sorry I ment Matt.
I think we all know that feeling when you worked on something real hard to later realise it was all for nothing, and that Brandon had such moment we can all find ourselves in
First round had oxygen that aided in combustion and made it louder., that’s why really sneaky cans had wipes. So powder doesn’t go in there and increase sound.
Haven’t finished watching, but right off the bat at 1:05 , massive difference in recoil and follow up shots.
I guess that's the in-line design of the AR platform at play.
@@LUR1FAX I'm sure the rattler probably weighs less too.
@@LUR1FAX Rattler is a Short-Stroke piston design, so internally the operation is a bit different, but no doubt that advances in technology is at play here and visually easy to see.
The air inside the can needs to burn on the first round, still sending out more noise. The second and third round will be quieter.
Air/oxygen doesn't really burn, it allows other compounds to burn, but I'm just a pedantic autist.
Good to see Matt. Nice video
The vss is definitely cool but I like the look of the Rattler better, it just screams tacticool and it's modular so you can turn it into whatever you want with ease while the AK platform, you can modify it but it's not as easy for the average person
I can definitely say. That decibel meter throw was subsonic.
10:15 According to DemolitionRanch, the first shot through a supressor is louder because of the amount of oxygen present... Since most of the "barrel" IS the supressor on that gun, and the cover was screwed on just before the first shot, it would be louder than the following shots by that logic. But you'll have to contact/ watch DemolitionRanch for the specifics. (I just watched a fairly new video with Nicholas Iriving where this was mentioned by Matt 🙂)
Was going to say there is a first shot rule with suppressors. I believe you are right. The first shot burns up some oxygen in the suppressor or inert gas helps suppress noise. Oxygen is what makes things go boom.
you're right.
If you are going to get an silencer education, there are better sources than sellout ranch.
@@ja0298 "sellout" LOL! Say you are a bitter beta without saying it!
@@eriklarson9137 spoken like a true cuck. Ever wonder why his channel appeals to the lowest common denominator of firearms owners?
Everybody recognizes the vss and the fact that it can hang in there for comparison videos with platforms from the 21st century is pretty neat.
Put it infront of the rifle where your target would hear the sound coming from not next to the rifle. When you buy a suppressor it tells you what sound it makes by the same devise