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To be honest I don’t know why we keep arguing about this. This world is so huge and vast. For the explorers, please explore. Live in multiple countries if you can, before you leave earth. Explore other cultures, languages, learn from other humans. Don’t stay stuck in a place because you love it. Your love for Nigeria should not stop you from experiencing the world by living in multiple countries if you can. EDIT: Wow there are so many comments! Anyway I came back to say: not everyone who relocates from Nigeria is “fleeing” from something! Some of us actually want to learn from the best industries outside Nigeria to improve our skills, meet diverse people and experience other cultures. Some of us cannot attain this by merely visiting. Yes people like this exist and we love Nigeria regardless. 🙏🏾
@@muhammadnabeel2200 lol thank you!!!! That people like me shout and proclaim our love for Nigeria is not because we do not want to explore. And Japaing is not exploring. Japa is leaving. Exploring is visitation. Very different things. I love cultures and new places but God forbid that I would value them and long for them by putting down my own beloved country. They would be appreciated quite alright but my country remains supreme to me!!
100% It’s good to travel and explore the world. It’s a pity that we view Japa purely as an escape from a bad economic situation we’re experiencing but it shouldn’t be. Travel is an opportunity to learn from the best globally and actually use it improve your own country. You limit yourself when you don’t travel. And there is nothing that says if you Japa today, you can’t return to Nigeria tomorrow. We have to take the long view of this. Finally, people find happiness in different circumstances- some people are happy with good weather, others are happy where there’s good food, others depend on family for happiness. So I’m making your decision, it’s good to know what brings you happiness. It’s an individual race.
@@pearlrants7798 Hello! I’m a huge advocate of living in different countries (if one is able to) and not being “tied” (so to speak) to any specific country, especially if one is young. This is my opinion and this is what I’ve defined as exploration in my earlier comment... Living and working in multiple countries while experiencing different cultures. Sometimes you get to truly know more about a country by having the opportunity to work there, and visiting visa rarely gives you this option. This is my reality so far and I’m speaking from experience. Clearly everyone has different interests.
This conversation can only be had by two types of people. People who have left and returned back home, people who left and don't intend returning. A lot of the opinions on both sides come from a myopic point of view about relocation, and you don't have so much of an opinion till you have experienced life abroad. I'll say leave if you have the resources to, but make sure it's for the right reasons, not for a romanticized idea you have come up with. As you get older, you realize you can leave Nigeria, but Nigeria never leaves you.
I live in the uk. 90 percent of Nigerians abroad are doing jobs like care, warehouse etc. These jobs are depressing. they wont tell the people back home this. the uk and canada would only give you the good jobs if their people wont do it. Japa sweet to dey talk am for mouth.
I disagree because this conversation has always been done by people in the diaspora. This is the first I have seen which gives the perspective of those who have not left.
My own is this, 'Japa in Peace' without running Nigeria down with your mouth. Some people still live there and believe in the country. Japa has it's pros, but there are lots of hidden cost to Japa that these folks are oblivious to.
As a well travelled Afro Caribbean who has spent extensive periods living and working in different countries I can tell you for a fact that this discussion can only have substance and be constructive when it is being discussed by intelligent people who have experience living in other countries. Worldwide, the idea of migrating to European or North American countries have been romanticized by poor people in the global south to a point of sheer delusion. This is due to history, social engineering, propaganda but also more recently the media. Therefore it is quite difficult to convince someone from the global south that Europe/America is not as rosy as it seems because this goes against the status quo, and everything that they have been told since birth. Because the idea of migrating has been so romanticized that it is viewed as prestige. This status quo now forces even unsuccessful and struggling immigrants (the overwhelming majority are) to lie and be deceitful to family back home because they have to live up to the prestigious status automatically given to them merely because they migrated. Their fake lifestyles and lies now influences people back home to want to migrate. And while people can use their developing countries in Africa/ Caribbean or wherever as a scapegoat for all their problems, no one feels sorry for you when you are struggling in foreign countries, in fact people back home blame you that is struggling because everything is supposedly perfect in these developed countries 😂. This creates a lot of depression among migrants, especially black migrants because black people struggle and have the lowest living standards all over the world. I know, there’s a lot to unpack but it’s crazy!
Exactly but I beg to differ for your last point. In places like Canada the Indigenous people are still treated terribly, for more than any black person. It still does not change the fact that a lot of migrants do suffer
@@nneoma_nu while I do understand your point and I’m fully aware of and empathize with the plight of the true Native Americans in both the USA and Canada, there cannot be any significant comparison between the discrimination faced by black people vs native Americans for a few key reasons. These reasons include: 1. The difference in population and global presence - the Native American population is really really small. They are marginalized but not on a grand/global scale as black people due to their small numbers. The black population in the USA alone is bigger than Canada’s entire population, and black people have a significant minority presence also in Europe and South America, where they are at the foot of the social hierarchy in these places. 2. Seeing that we were initially talking about migration, the native Americans are not immigrants. They do have access to land (tribal lands/reservations) and other forms of means of production that is not available to black people. Native Americans also do not have to worry about citizenship like black immigrants who normally get caught up in the bureaucratic limbo and have to be running around in a frenzy just to gain legal status, which often gets them exploited. There are also other factors etc
@asap5529 1000% Truth. Also, people fail to recognise that countries we often flee or "japa" to were actually BUILT over time by their citizens. If their populace had ran away during that process, they would not be the places many want to go to today. It's a human trait to want to go where someone else has done all the work. To come around when you smell the cooked food, rather than during the prep. That smell is not so inviting but is a necessary part of the cooking process. It's not wrong to seek new experiences or new horizons, but we have a vested interest in turning our own countries into places others choose to migrate to and also not leave. We should have more ambition for our own country.
You made a fair point. Quite valid I must say....but throwing in the phrase "intelligent people"; smeared your apt analysis. We can appreciate the attempt at discourse without being condescending towards the participants. International exposure alone as a basis is more tenable and that in itself doesn't make an individual intellectual.
Im Nigerian based in Nigeria, I'm successful in Nigeria, I worked hard to achieve my success. I love my country and I have employed people in Nigeria. That's my little contribution to making Nigeria better. 💪💪💪🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬
Good for you, enjoy your grace and luck, some of those that worked harder than you didn't make nothing, so everyone's life is different and we have different grace
I left Nigeria 27 years ago. I used to miss it and planned on returning there one day. However. After my visit to Nigeria last year, I realized there was nothing there. Even if you have the money in Nigeria, there is no stability, no safety, no law, no assurance, no voice, no government. People are just living by chance. No one wants to assume responsibility for action. There is no accountability. It is difficult to plan for the future. I'm a Canadian, and I'm happy to call here my home. Canada gave me the life I only imagined when I was in Nigeria.
Then you are no longer a Nigerian. I wish Canadians ran away like to other countries like we do in Africa instead of staying back to solve our problems. The country you stay in has problems like Nigeria they just don't run from it they face it and solve it.
Home is home. Make Nigeria what you want it to be. Canada was made comfortable by people like you. What I have come to discover is that Nigerians are takers and not givers. We need more of these discussions
@@deebookoonmie5375 Exactly, yet they foolishly go around talk about how smart they are. If we are that smart we shouldn't be battling basic problems in 2023. The leadership is a projection of who we are and our seriousness as a people.
I’m Ghanaian and Nigerian, I currently live outside Africa but there is some type of peace that you get when you are home. Most people won’t understand till they’ve left which is ok. The peace in the west is solely based on comfort but there is an overall peace that just comes with being at home. Unfortunately bad governance pushes people out. That is why most people try to make plans to move back after they have set themselves up. There are also many opportunities in Africa that many of us don’t see until we leave and most of us will never see either way but if you do, try and invest back home and give back to the community. Many westerners and people from other part of the world see opportunity in our problems and make the most of it. I dislike it when people make Africa seem to be the worst place in the universe and think the west is Heaven.
We are the only people that think running away from our problems will solve the problem. What if the country we run to also run somewhere. Would they have developed themselves to this point?
Africans living in the African continent have a big difficulty to have enough funds to start big business ,where I came from, outside of foreigners nationals business, most big business are own by locals who came from the diaspora It is easy for a disciplined person who live in the west to save a huge amount of money in a short period of times to start a big business in Africa.
Born and bred in the UK and I'm actively planning on retiring to Nigeria. My parents came to UK in the 60's and both yearned to return to Nigeria but sadly they passed away here in the UK. Some of the statements made about how wonderful Europe or America is amazing, will be so shocked if and when they Japa. You will work tire and still not have enough, you'll pay taxes and wonder why bother working. The grass is never greener on the other side or better the devil you know.
@@trustfieldrealtylimited8805He's telling the truth. Most who have japa agree. You guys don't even know what it's like to live in a racist society but some have convinced themselves it's heaven. Everything has pros and cons. If I had to do it again, I would stay in Naija. All my peers who didn't leave ended up making about the same anyway.
Really nice conversation. It will be exciting to have this kind of conversation with 4 sets of people. 1. Those who have JAPA'D for at least 3 years and now actively trying to come back.(mix of those that JAPA'D to different countries) 2. Those who have JAPA'D for same 3 years and don't intend to come back. 3. Those who are actively hoping to JAPA, but haven't had the opportunity. 4. Those who have never JAPA'D and don't intend to.
I left Nigeria 3 years ago. The truth is, I really miss home, but I don't see myself coming back for now. Yes, I agree 100%, there's no place like home, but outside is safer than home.
People like you are what's wrong with Nigeria. There are Nigerians who are born and raised and they are coming back to help progress Nigeria. We don't need you to come back stay there
@@chidubem826 it doesn't need to happen to me. I am born and raised in London but I am planning to move there soon. I just don't understand why our people hate Nigeria so much. I wish I was there.
My parents left Nigeria in the 1970s with the hope of eventually returning once the country's economy improved. It never did. They visit, but they have never returned. Healthcare is a major barrier and until more Nigerian-trained doctors practice in Nigeria than outside of it, it will not be a place where many can return. I can also say that being female in Nigeria is harder than in a Western country. Your opportunities are greater and you are safer. Sexual assault is investigated and maternal outcomes are higher. Safety, health and security are very legitimate concerns and for most Nigerian women are very good reasons to leave.
My parents left Nigeria over 30 years ago, moved to Jamaica, and came to UK 25 years ago. They would never dream of moving back to Nigeria. They don’t pay any school fees, I have some of the best teachers in the world, they have a comfortable salary and don’t have to worry about healthcare because of the NHS. And as they’re getting older, the government helps out through the pension schemes that they have worked for as British citizens as well as private pensions. They’re trying to get my cousins to come and study at universities here and eventually join the workforce for a better life.
The NHS is okay. But works according to budget and not in the interest to save life, so it is substandard . Secondly, getting free stuff makes one less ambitious and moreover the system is designed not to make black billionaires but rather semi- satisfied subjects of a kingdom
I've been searching for such a discussion on TH-cam for such a long time. This is such a wholesome conversation, shedding light on such a delicate topic amongst young people. Proud Nigerian for life 🇳🇬💪!
Honest Response based on Romans 8:14 th-cam.com/video/K99K62808Lw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=V4aybiTsvWUpWZDW to be Led, because the Grass on the other side is most often Not greener, Except you're in God's Will ⚠️📢
My sister, Nigeria has loads of problems but because I follow the news of so many countries and I know how horrific they are, I am working towards making heaven because ignorance is what's making people assume other places are rosy. I follow channels of Americans who are fleeing America and forfeiting their passports. Lmao. Nowhere is rosy! I love your brain!
@@pearlrants7798shut up. I am in US. I close from work at 11 and get home at 12 midnight by public bus. I prefer my security guard job in california to the Access bank job I had in lagos
Not an accomodation option. Its just comfort. They want to have a ready place they can use as they like. I'll shock you by saying Dangote doesnt have any house abroad. He said it! The reason most people have a house in their villages in nigeria is to have comfortable place to stay when they travel home. Thats excatly why billionaires buy homes abroad. Nigerians,truth is we love comfort as long as we can afford it!
@@victoradejumo566all the rich people I know their kids are abroad and they visit abroad from time to time that guy on suit just de try hold back him true intent or he is 0.0000% of people that loves Africa at the expense of the future
I am grateful that I left Nigeria a while ago, it changed my perception of reality, how I see and show up in the world and dual citizenship makes the universe a playground, the freedom to just travel the world at your own time without visa or immigration stress , had the opportunity to see alot of ancient historical places in Europe, America and Asia and experiences stays with me forever and I am so gratefull to give my teens kids those experiences and they are going have the freedom to experience the world out of cultural boxes/norms because life is all about experiences and expansion and travel gives you those, also your mindset become more universal not some brainwashed puppet controlled by the conceptualize societies and cultures. Life that we are is way lager than our so called Nationalities.
People had to stay to their country and build just like others did ... Immigrate then you come back and be part of building the country... Stop talking about universe without knowing how it works.
@@tshidioageng6918 I know how the universe works because I am part of it and all life on earth do migrate for many reasons , this has been part of our existence,and I had privilage to pay attention to how nature works in the winter and summer here , birds species do migrate to Africa in the winter. I was in Dubai fews years ago and was blown away , UAE and Nigeria discovered oil quite the same year but today they are ahead and so are many Nations who are pragmatic about growth and development.
@@tshidioageng6918 I know how many wants to leave if Nigeria is allow to come in visa free,millions would migrate. My experience for the last 40yrs about Nigeria has been dissatisfied .
A more insightful conversation would be with we that lived abroad and moved back and those that lived abroad and stayed- there’s a lot of “I think I think” in this conversation which isn’t reality.
Am currently in France 🇫🇷 and I tell you... I will rather make my millions in Nigeria and have the luxury of visiting any country for leisure than for settling or work. Once I get what I want because am still a student, am coming back. I didn't come to this life to just be seen as machine.
Those who are speaking in favour of staying back in Naija are speaking from a place of privilege. A place where not many Nigerians are speaking from. They have something solid going for them and it that sense, it’s not so great to leave. Someone struggling in Nigeria will have an equal playing ground abroad and that’s a life and generational changing opportunity for them. Many Nigerians can’t see the reward of their labour after many years so being in a clime that rewards your hardwork after a number of years, is golden for them. I see privilege speaking but salient points as well.
I saw your channel today and from the thumbnail I thought Jubilee!!!! I love Jubilee so much and I love to see the Nigerian pov/version of it! Your production is excellent! Well done, I love to see it and I look forward to more episodes for you guys! New subbie 🎉🎉🎉
I don't like arguing with people on whether to stay in Nigeria or to japa anymore because I feel like people need to experience both sides to make a decision for themselves. Personally, I feel like loads of people who live very comfortable life in Nigeria CANNOT afford to do so abroad because there are so many factors working against you especially as an immigrant. I have spoken with people who once lived in Nigeria, worked in respectable jobs but eventually come here and become support/social workers, cleaners, etc. (working 40+ hours a week to have half of your pay/salary taken off every month just because of taxes, NI, etc). However, some people come here with good strategies either to study, learn high-income skills (ofc this CAN be done in Nigeria) which eventually opens you to better job opportunities and a better standard of living. To each their own honestly but the grass isn't always greener on the other side!
@@AnnieSpecial92861 Everything is wrong about. As someone currently in France for close to 2 years. If you are coming as an immigrants just know you are coming to be a machine with no life other than work. I know there is more to life than just work and that is the kind of life I want.
Let me make it simple for you guys. If you earn more than a million naira in Naija, there's no need to Japa. If you make below 500k then you can Japa (if you want). If you are highly skilled you can live any where you choose to in the world. And there is no place like home. Naija man living in Germany Nice Topic!
Money is not the only reason people japa sha. A sense of security. Access to basic things like electricity, internet, healthcare, these are all valid reasons why people leave. There are rich people that Nigeria has killed. P.S: I totally understand that nowhere is safe. I get it. But people some people don’t want to walk around every day with the fear of being kidnapped.
@@user-ht9uv1wg4jVery true. There are so many reasons why people migrate and the irony of it all is that for one to be able to migrate, you have to have funds in the tens of thousands of dollars and above so the people that end up migrating are the middle class or children of rich families. I believe most people would not want to migrate because the weather and the culture is very different hear but Nigeria’s economy is not stable
Don't worry, let him get one job offer first and he will see how he is treated at the workplace and the rights that are his, and the recognition that comes when he does a good job without knowing no one. No abuse not even verbal assault let alone salary deprivation....you think he will go back?@@karojames8202 story.
My bro before U go back MAKE SURE U HAVE A HIGH PAYING JOB OR U HAVE A BUSNIESS THAT IS CASH FLOWING ! Don’t think U can Solve Nigerian Issues . NIGERIAN PROBEMS ARE MADE MY OUR OLDER GENERATION. The Generation born from 1960.
The lady with blonde hair has an adventurous personality. There are people who want to experience another world, it’s fine and there are people who are comfortable with living in the same place, it’s ok. I love Nigeria but if I had the opportunity and chance I would want to go somewhere else not because I’m running but because I want to experience something new. But yeah there’s no place like home at the end
Living in Northern Europe has taught me mobility is what you should strive for. Being stack in Europe is just as limiting as being stack in Africa. Pursuit of a career that gives you that sort of leverage should be the goal. My country Uganda has issues but it can't be replaced.
@@nneoma_nu Not the ones I work with. Most who own homes and cars are in debt -- loans. If you went to college, most are repaying loans. And, let's not mention credit card debt. For most $100K per year isn't enough.
Have been in d states for 14 yrs, but have no single dept, and am doing well for my myself, Nig nor be country, na animal supposed to dey love there, d way them design am, but unfortunately humans are living there, i prefer to be a 5th class citizen here dan to be a first class in Nig, i beg Nig can never be good. Thou home is home, and no plc like home
I do not only love my country Nigeria, but I believe I also have a mission and an assignment to do here and in Nigeria, but it's been 5 yrs since I graduated and I am still struggling. I gave myself 5 years to make it in Nigeria. I have decided to leave to try the next 5 yrs of my life somewhere else, I am doing it on God's direction, I will still come back, and invest and do something here. I know there is money in Nigeria but just few people can assess it, I have tried and it seems it's not for me.
Look for the National Directorate of Employment in your state of residence. They train and fund young people on different businesses. Most Nigerians are unaware of it. Take advantage of the cost free help if you still want to stay and not Japa.
Wosh😍. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Wanted it to go on and on. It is beyond refreshing to see people share the same thoughts/opinions concerning this japa fever. I have never caught it. Want to go or stay? Great! Just don't make those who want to stay feel small and make yourself feel superior. A very relatable conversation. Looking forward to more videos. Well-done ❣️❣️
This debate is interesting. I'm very happy to have found this channel to be part of the discussion. As a traveller from the west, we have a saying when someone would ask where we were going, and the answer sometimes, 'Anywhere but here.' I've come to learn that 'here' is at home with yourself. As a child, my mother used to always warn me that I would think the grass is greener on the other side. I will tell you it's not. The grass is only green where you water it. Should you travel, you will encounter things that will make you long for home, giving you a greater appreciation for where you are from. Be with God and may God bless.
I wish I was on this show because I would have given them back to back and explain somethings to people about living Nigeria or coming back. I love Nigeria and I will say there is no place like home
This was a nice attempt at getting a glimpse of the mindset of the nigerian youth regarding 'japa'. A key thing to note is that one persons view/experience should not invalidate that of another. If a person feels strongly about migrating, lets not shame them and for those who want to stay behind and build, more power to them. My opinion is that japa is prevalent in Nigeria in particular due to the disconnect between talent and reward. In my experience, talent is not typically rewarded in Nigeria, instead its all about nepotism, tribalism and connections. To be clear, there are lots of successful folks in Nigeria who made it on their own but this can not be said for the vast majority of folks. Talent will always seek where it is adequately rewarded. Having said that, lets address why folks who migrate end up with vastly different outcomes. There are a few key factors that can accelerate or mar your chances of success such as; age at time of migration, profession/discipline, method of migration (visiting or permanent resident), availability of support abroad (friends & family), and last but certainly not least, acess to resources at home. To delve deeper into the last point, someone with resources at home may find it harder to feel successful abroad because the gains may appear to be marginal, as compared to someone with very little to nothing. My point here is that individuals should be allowed to make informed choices about the course of their lives without being subject to public criticism. There are pros and cons with japa syndrome. For most, benefits are econmical and costs are cultural. Just make sure sure the benefits outweigh the costs.
That would be great! While we can't tell if there's going to be a part 2, you can follow us on IG @jointhecruise where we'd be dropping updates on casting calls and just maybe, you might see a call for a part 2. Thank you for watching 🙏🏽
This conversation had potential but there was a lot of people on the discussion field who didn’t know what they were talking about and were only speaking from what they heard and not what they’ve been able to experience. Next time you a discussion similar to this topic it is wise to get those who were born abroad and decided to locate back to Nigeria and those who were born in Nigeria and left Nigeria to relocate abroad. Also please get TH-camr Akubeze as she’s someone who has spoke out about Japa season and is very strong on believing Nigeria is better than abroad.
This is nice. Nigerians still have a long way to go in terms of having conversations though. I am not sure if this is the Nigerian version of Jubilee but we can sure take learnings from how they coordinate. They don't interrupt or speak over one another. There is clear communication and civil conversation. Keep up the good work guys as you coordinate better.
@@jessidiary4884 We can still do better. That's all I care about. We are targeting a global stage. They are doing a great job as already stated. Despite the flaws, Jubilee must be doing something good for us to imitate their ideas don't you think. The show is new and it won't be too far fetched if they can simply take learnings. No harsh criticism there, just honest recommendations.
This convo really resonated with me when that guy said name 1 person who is a billionaire that are Nigeria watch out Nigerians in the diaspora are working on something big because it’s not out there doesn’t mean it’s not happening 😂
The biggest cultural shock I faced in Obodo Oyibo was the individualism and I dey us no be say I dey Italy. It’s different for everyone sha but I miss the community back home
If you are good at learning and understanding to fluent innerstanding, your chance of progressing and becoming successful is high. If you are going to Japa, make sure you have one of those oil companies as reference - they should be able to vouch for you whey the time comes.
that guy's comment about getting a generator, you spend more money up-keeping a generator and buying fuel (min a place that has fuel shortages on top of that)... getting a generator is not cost effective as one may think it is
I really want to be on this program, so interesting. I hope i can get a chance someday, and some topic should be brought up repeatedly again to see peoples thoughts after years.
The illusion of Nigerian residents thinking they are the ones building Nigeria when half the infrastructure thriving in Nigeria is built by Nigerians in the diaspora. It's a fact that the amount of money Nigerians in the diaspora put into the Nigerian economy has been keeping the country afloat, particularly during the pandemic. A working Nigeria is what we all want; As a resident in Nigeria please don't undermine the influence of Nigerias away from home striving toward the Nigeria we all want.
The net capital flow is negative... U can't even get the real figure of capital that leaves Nigeria. The number is big. Mostly by dubious means. Think of Abacha alone, Lucky I. James Ibori, etc
It depends on what you want and how you want to live your life. For creatives or people in the arts and social sciences, it might be harder to make an impact abroad because you first have to learn their history and culture and the zeitgeist of the youth. For pure sciences it might be easier to make an impact because the rules are the same everywhere. If you just want to live a comfortable life you have to learn and apply the specific ways to survive in Nigeria. It's easier abroad to live a comfortable life if you're hardworking. If it's about the education of your children, they'll get a better education abroad and you can choose to be with them there or not.
Education in Africa is the best, Government just need to put more work and put somethings in place for the gen z, but as a mom abroad I say education in Nigeria is the best. I agree with your other points
Am a Nigerian living in the US. I'll put it simply. Both have pros and cons. If Nigeria had electricity and security i'd have returned home long ago. Right now I have to save more so I can live comfortably when I eventually return home. America is not the place to retire if you dont have at least a million dollars networth. Even if you own your home the taxes are high. Mortgages are a big NO NO.
@Cruise - just started watching your channel today, watching from the US. I noticed some videos have subtitles and some do not. I find them very helpful, so I can understand all the speakers better across all the varieties of accents. This video I am losing the thread, and I really want to hear what everyone has to say. Can you please add the subtitles for all of your videos? It is so helpful. Thank you for making these. Already I am learning a lot. These are conversations I do not have the opportunity to hear here in the US.
I stumbled upon this channel, and I love it already. The major contributing factor to Japa is unequivocally bad governance. Prior to the END SARS protest, many of us never believed in Japa. But what do you do when your own government kills you the supposed future of the country and denies ever committing that crime? What? It was bad when buhari was the president, but it's even worse now. We now have a country where everything the government does is for the optics, where the government believes it's them against the people. We have a country now where it pays to be a politician or a political thug than to be industrious. I have only lived in Europe for a year and a few months, and I can tell you that it's the best decision of my life yet. Whenever the people in power are ready to build a nation, we will all come back because there's no place like home. Until then, japa if you have the mean, but make sure you got a job already before leaving. Thank you.
Rich Nigerians abroad off the top of my head. Mikel John Obi, Ahmed Musa, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Adebayo Ogunlunsi (Owner of Gatwick Airport London), John Boyega, Chiwetel Ejiofor, David Oyelowo, Rotimi, Ngozi Okonjo Iwela, Israel Adesanja, Joshua Phillip. If one wants to stay in Nigeria because they prefer the culture, food, weather, familiarity with the system making working it to ones favour easier etc. then that's fine. Don't lie about Nigerians unable to achieve success at the highest level abroad because they are doing it in droves...
Over the past 2 years I have traveled to 4 different countries both in Africa and the US, what I've come to realize is that if you have MONEY and a good source of income, travel around and meet people but honestly there is no place like home. I miss home and will love to establish myself there.
I moved to the UK from Namibia, and want to retire in Spain. I want to be located centrally where I can travel easily for a weekend off of what I earn from one day’s work. I could never live in a country where the police can beat you up without being checked. I also want to live around people who are different from me, I couldn’t live around my culture because It’s not going to teach me anything new.
If you waka go another place, e get some yawa wey fit follow: 1. **Family Wahala:** Your family fit miss you well-well, and homesickness fit catch you like craze. 2. **Culture Shock:** You fit enta one kind place wey dem no dey reason like Naija people. E fit shock you. 3. **No Pidgin English:** Dem fit no understand your sweet Naija pidgin, you go dey yan like person wey just learn language. 4. **Weather Fit Be Wahala:** If you go cold place, you fit dey wear jacket like coat of arms. If na hot place, you fit dey melt like ice cream. 5. **No Jollof Rice:** Dem fit dey cook rice like rice wey dem no get joy. You fit miss Naija jollof. Think well before you waka, e get advantage but e get wahala too.
True talk! If you fit dey earn dollars for Naija, e fit be like say you dey use machine dey print money. E fit give you better level and fit help you upgrade your Naija swag.
It will be nice to get the opinion of people who are already settled abroad, guys with sincere and honest views. Im happy to join in the convo , I've lived in the UK for 15 years doing ok and I tend to agree with some points raised, but i think some folks are delusion in their expectation of abroad.
True. We'll gladly reach out if we decide to do another installment of this episode. Meanwhile, please follow us on Instagram @jointhecruise. We'll be leaving show updates there.
My advice is, if you have the financial means to relocate abroad pls do but note, have something waiting for you there is very important. Remember its not your country, you are an immigrant and all the good life you think ull have there does not apply to you. You will work your way to the top like everybody else.
When you have kids then you would know that japa is an option 1. Dada said TAX kills you but if you have the mind set of tithe which is for you to take tax I have to make something and mind you that tax gets your child in school, less your transport, and some other subsidy so the tax is nothing compared to this subsidy you get. 2- you spoke about police taking you as an immigrant but mind you with your dread, an iPhone and a laptop you are a gonner in LAGOS ISLAND. I am nothing even talking about the inner place but I am saying LAGOS ISLAND case study 3- you know igbos are termed glorified refugee even in Lagos that they were born in !! Mind you they were born in but the same people would forget that the law of the fact that you can stay in a place or country for 10yrs and apply to be a citizen(this is in our constitution ) but they are making you feel like a refugee 4- let’s be factual also if not that Nigerian have plenty Bukata of family and friends bills , an average uk worker is supposed to work for 40hrs a week that’s 4days and you make at £12per hour you make £480 per week take out the tax that’s leaving you with about £430 pounds by 4 weeks that £1720 per month after expenses you should have £600 if you have friends and you do ajo of 10persons do you know can make a deposit for a house and spread payment even as a refugee but can you achieve this in Nigeria as a FREE BORN ??? common one month data plan last for a a week in Nigeria but here in the uk one month data plan is one month data plan and nothing stops that 5- Dada said that he can’t move because he is building something it’s just a mindset I have a family business before I left but I still handle that from uk, also it took my dad 30yrs to build the company in Nigeria but I built that branch in uk I’m less than two weeks. 6- there is a community everywhere depends on your personally my wife and I are two different persons if you leave my wife we won’t have any friends except for family but I make friends even down to my delivery driver, Uber driver, the person I see a fridge packed infront of his house and I want to carry to send to Nigeria to make extra bucks it’s a personality. 7. Places like Canada even as a refugee coming on PR your child that was born in Nigeria gets a stipend but you that is in Nigeria and you are a citizen ooo not refugee would be given 1cup of rice as palliative and they would expect you to be happy!! I would say I was TEAM NIGERIA until I started birthing kids and it dawned on me that something needed to be done asap and I have left. My wife knows that the day Nigeria get better the next morning I Dey MMA2
Y'all keep forgetting that those countries you are migrating to built those things you are going to enjoy with their blood and sweat so if y'all don't build your own country you will never get a iota of respect from them
I love the Nigerian version of Jubilee! It’s pretty cool but please try and get TH-camrs, influencers and public figures who use their voice to speak out on topics.
no shade and i’m sorry if this comes off rude but aren’t the people already on the show, expressing their views human beings?😭 is what they’re saying not valid? i don’t understand why influencers or all that is needed. it’s about meaningful conversation and anyone can have it.
@@daraiwaloye5381 I’m saying those who have a platform and use it to speak up on important matters should come on this show to voice their views, stop reading too much into my opinions. It’s never that serious
I like Mex. As someone who wants to move abroad (hopefully this time next year, i will be in Europe) i see so much good in Nigeria & Africa. When i move, i don't see myself marrying a Whitie or staying there long, but get skills & access that will set me off nicely....come back to some part of Africa & build.
Very interesting conversation! Back in the day, I used to be desperate about JAPA! then I had nothing going on for me in Nigeria! I am glad they refused me the two times I have tried! This days I am a cofounder of an international START UP! I have been to france once and during my stay I longed to come back to Nigeria! I think if things are good for people at home they wont want to migrate! BUT again some people admire the life abroad all the same even while they have better opportunities in Nigeria! Na those ones I dont understand
This was a very interesting conversion.Kudos to the team and everyone involved.👍🏿 First of all, the discussion of Japa is based on personal choice . I don't see any reason to convince anyone to do what they don't want. When e set nobody go tell you. Secondly, i hate the fact that people talk about japa from a perspective of sentiment or privilege like people just hate their home and culture or they're brainwashed. Lets be honest most people are not happy leaving everything and everyone they have behind to start a fresh in a new place where nothing is guaranteed. Nigeria is difficult place to live even for the wealthy, plus your money the system will frustrate you, nothing works. From the justice system to infrastructure, electricity, healthcare, transportion, security (did i mention the alarming rate of inflation), just to name a few. For me, i'll do whatever i think is best for me and those i love, and if that means i have to relocate, so be it ..
You do have a valid point, actually. The show's aim is to explore opposing perspectives and one way or the other you begin to see some sense in your opponent's perspective. Thank you for watching 🙏🏾
If the country you are running to also ran away without solving their problems. Would it have been better for them? It is only Africans that think running away from problems solves the problem.
To be honest I don’t know why we keep arguing about this. This world is so huge and vast. For the explorers, please explore. Live in multiple countries if you can, before you leave earth. Explore other cultures, languages, learn from other humans. Don’t stay stuck in a place because you love it. Your love for Nigeria should not stop you from experiencing the world by living in multiple countries if you can.
EDIT: Wow there are so many comments! Anyway I came back to say: not everyone who relocates from Nigeria is “fleeing” from something! Some of us actually want to learn from the best industries outside Nigeria to improve our skills, meet diverse people and experience other cultures. Some of us cannot attain this by merely visiting. Yes people like this exist and we love Nigeria regardless. 🙏🏾
I don't think that's the general argument though...most people that go abroad don't do so because of "exploring"
@@muhammadnabeel2200 lol thank you!!!!
That people like me shout and proclaim our love for Nigeria is not because we do not want to explore.
And Japaing is not exploring. Japa is leaving. Exploring is visitation. Very different things.
I love cultures and new places but God forbid that I would value them and long for them by putting down my own beloved country.
They would be appreciated quite alright but my country remains supreme to me!!
@@pearlrants7798 I agree with you hundred percent
100% It’s good to travel and explore the world. It’s a pity that we view Japa purely as an escape from a bad economic situation we’re experiencing but it shouldn’t be. Travel is an opportunity to learn from the best globally and actually use it improve your own country. You limit yourself when you don’t travel. And there is nothing that says if you Japa today, you can’t return to Nigeria tomorrow. We have to take the long view of this. Finally, people find happiness in different circumstances- some people are happy with good weather, others are happy where there’s good food, others depend on family for happiness. So I’m making your decision, it’s good to know what brings you happiness. It’s an individual race.
@@pearlrants7798 Hello! I’m a huge advocate of living in different countries (if one is able to) and not being “tied” (so to speak) to any specific country, especially if one is young. This is my opinion and this is what I’ve defined as exploration in my earlier comment... Living and working in multiple countries while experiencing different cultures. Sometimes you get to truly know more about a country by having the opportunity to work there, and visiting visa rarely gives you this option. This is my reality so far and I’m speaking from experience. Clearly everyone has different interests.
This conversation can only be had by two types of people. People who have left and returned back home, people who left and don't intend returning. A lot of the opinions on both sides come from a myopic point of view about relocation, and you don't have so much of an opinion till you have experienced life abroad. I'll say leave if you have the resources to, but make sure it's for the right reasons, not for a romanticized idea you have come up with. As you get older, you realize you can leave Nigeria, but Nigeria never leaves you.
EXACTLY!!!!
That sounds interesting.
Thanks for the suggestion 🙏🏽
"As you grow older, you realize you can leave Nigeria buy realize Nigeria never leaves you" 🤔 🤔
I live in the uk. 90 percent of Nigerians abroad are doing jobs like care, warehouse etc. These jobs are depressing. they wont tell the people back home this. the uk and canada would only give you the good jobs if their people wont do it. Japa sweet to dey talk am for mouth.
I disagree because this conversation has always been done by people in the diaspora. This is the first I have seen which gives the perspective of those who have not left.
My own is this, 'Japa in Peace' without running Nigeria down with your mouth. Some people still live there and believe in the country. Japa has it's pros, but there are lots of hidden cost to Japa that these folks are oblivious to.
I agree very well said.
Thank you my brother. That lady with short hair just dey vex me
@@Danorous Then ignore her.
My thoughts exactly. It's one of those things that you really don't know until you've experienced it.
As a well travelled Afro Caribbean who has spent extensive periods living and working in different countries I can tell you for a fact that this discussion can only have substance and be constructive when it is being discussed by intelligent people who have experience living in other countries. Worldwide, the idea of migrating to European or North American countries have been romanticized by poor people in the global south to a point of sheer delusion. This is due to history, social engineering, propaganda but also more recently the media. Therefore it is quite difficult to convince someone from the global south that Europe/America is not as rosy as it seems because this goes against the status quo, and everything that they have been told since birth. Because the idea of migrating has been so romanticized that it is viewed as prestige. This status quo now forces even unsuccessful and struggling immigrants (the overwhelming majority are) to lie and be deceitful to family back home because they have to live up to the prestigious status automatically given to them merely because they migrated. Their fake lifestyles and lies now influences people back home to want to migrate. And while people can use their developing countries in Africa/ Caribbean or wherever as a scapegoat for all their problems, no one feels sorry for you when you are struggling in foreign countries, in fact people back home blame you that is struggling because everything is supposedly perfect in these developed countries 😂. This creates a lot of depression among migrants, especially black migrants because black people struggle and have the lowest living standards all over the world. I know, there’s a lot to unpack but it’s crazy!
Exactly but I beg to differ for your last point. In places like Canada the Indigenous people are still treated terribly, for more than any black person. It still does not change the fact that a lot of migrants do suffer
@@nneoma_nu while I do understand your point and I’m fully aware of and empathize with the plight of the true Native Americans in both the USA and Canada, there cannot be any significant comparison between the discrimination faced by black people vs native Americans for a few key reasons. These reasons include:
1. The difference in population and global presence - the Native American population is really really small. They are marginalized but not on a grand/global scale as black people due to their small numbers. The black population in the USA alone is bigger than Canada’s entire population, and black people have a significant minority presence also in Europe and South America, where they are at the foot of the social hierarchy in these places.
2. Seeing that we were initially talking about migration, the native Americans are not immigrants. They do have access to land (tribal lands/reservations) and other forms of means of production that is not available to black people. Native Americans also do not have to worry about citizenship like black immigrants who normally get caught up in the bureaucratic limbo and have to be running around in a frenzy just to gain legal status, which often gets them exploited.
There are also other factors etc
@asap5529
1000% Truth.
Also, people fail to recognise that countries we often flee or "japa" to were actually BUILT over time by their citizens. If their populace had ran away during that process, they would not be the places many want to go to today.
It's a human trait to want to go where someone else has done all the work. To come around when you smell the cooked food, rather than during the prep. That smell is not so inviting but is a necessary part of the cooking process.
It's not wrong to seek new experiences or new horizons, but we have a vested interest in turning our own countries into places others choose to migrate to and also not leave.
We should have more ambition for our own country.
most of these people dont have the capacity to speak on this topic. They are so ignorant lol
You made a fair point. Quite valid I must say....but throwing in the phrase "intelligent people"; smeared your apt analysis. We can appreciate the attempt at discourse without being condescending towards the participants. International exposure alone as a basis is more tenable and that in itself doesn't make an individual intellectual.
The guy in locks is balanced and smart
Agreed 100%
Im Nigerian based in Nigeria, I'm successful in Nigeria, I worked hard to achieve my success. I love my country and I have employed people in Nigeria. That's my little contribution to making Nigeria better. 💪💪💪🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬
Thank you for your contributions.
You're proof that not everyone needs to migrate!
Thank you
Well done for doing well, despite evil, life-ending corruption. NOBODY leaves a decent home. The leaders have so much curses heaped upon their heads.
Thank you 🙏
Good for you, enjoy your grace and luck, some of those that worked harder than you didn't make nothing, so everyone's life is different and we have different grace
I returned to Nigeria happily with my family. My wife is not Nigerian and she definitely do not wish to leave Nigeria
I left Nigeria 27 years ago. I used to miss it and planned on returning there one day. However. After my visit to Nigeria last year, I realized there was nothing there. Even if you have the money in Nigeria, there is no stability, no safety, no law, no assurance, no voice, no government. People are just living by chance. No one wants to assume responsibility for action. There is no accountability. It is difficult to plan for the future. I'm a Canadian, and I'm happy to call here my home. Canada gave me the life I only imagined when I was in Nigeria.
So in other words, anywhere you are is home?
Then you are no longer a Nigerian. I wish Canadians ran away like to other countries like we do in Africa instead of staying back to solve our problems.
The country you stay in has problems like Nigeria they just don't run from it they face it and solve it.
Home is home. Make Nigeria what you want it to be. Canada was made comfortable by people like you. What I have come to discover is that Nigerians are takers and not givers. We need more of these discussions
@@deebookoonmie5375 God will bless you! You should be a leader in Nigeria. You are legend
@@deebookoonmie5375 Exactly, yet they foolishly go around talk about how smart they are. If we are that smart we shouldn't be battling basic problems in 2023.
The leadership is a projection of who we are and our seriousness as a people.
I’m Ghanaian and Nigerian, I currently live outside Africa but there is some type of peace that you get when you are home. Most people won’t understand till they’ve left which is ok. The peace in the west is solely based on comfort but there is an overall peace that just comes with being at home. Unfortunately bad governance pushes people out. That is why most people try to make plans to move back after they have set themselves up. There are also many opportunities in Africa that many of us don’t see until we leave and most of us will never see either way but if you do, try and invest back home and give back to the community. Many westerners and people from other part of the world see opportunity in our problems and make the most of it. I dislike it when people make Africa seem to be the worst place in the universe and think the west is Heaven.
We are the only people that think running away from our problems will solve the problem.
What if the country we run to also run somewhere. Would they have developed themselves to this point?
Africans living in the African continent have a big difficulty to have enough funds to start big business ,where I came from, outside of foreigners nationals business, most big business are own by locals who came from the diaspora
It is easy for a disciplined person who live in the west to save a huge amount of money in a short period of times to start a big business in Africa.
West is not heaven, but Africa is sure is close to Hell.
@@ot4625Yahuah Barak you 😊❤
@@ot4625Deuteronomy 28
This is my first time of coming across this channel..As a big fan of Jubilee I appreciate this Nigerian version cos it’s moreee relatable ❤️❤️…
Thank you for the kind words ❤
Definitely felt this too. Love the Nigerian version of jubilee
Born and bred in the UK and I'm actively planning on retiring to Nigeria. My parents came to UK in the 60's and both yearned to return to Nigeria but sadly they passed away here in the UK.
Some of the statements made about how wonderful Europe or America is amazing, will be so shocked if and when they Japa. You will work tire and still not have enough, you'll pay taxes and wonder why bother working. The grass is never greener on the other side or better the devil you know.
God highiy bless u,for words of wisdom
You make a fair point. Its been plaguing me for a bit. I think I'll stay and water my grass literally.
You know you're lying!
@@trustfieldrealtylimited8805He's telling the truth. Most who have japa agree.
You guys don't even know what it's like to live in a racist society but some have convinced themselves it's heaven. Everything has pros and cons.
If I had to do it again, I would stay in Naija. All my peers who didn't leave ended up making about the same anyway.
BTW, how is Japa.still a thing in the Internet age. The Internet was new when I left, una no know say u fit work remotely?
Really nice conversation. It will be exciting to have this kind of conversation with 4 sets of people.
1. Those who have JAPA'D for at least 3 years and now actively trying to come back.(mix of those that JAPA'D to different countries)
2. Those who have JAPA'D for same 3 years and don't intend to come back.
3. Those who are actively hoping to JAPA, but haven't had the opportunity.
4. Those who have never JAPA'D and don't intend to.
I left Nigeria 3 years ago. The truth is, I really miss home, but I don't see myself coming back for now. Yes, I agree 100%, there's no place like home, but outside is safer than home.
don't ever come back!
People like you are what's wrong with Nigeria. There are Nigerians who are born and raised and they are coming back to help progress Nigeria. We don't need you to come back stay there
@@jayo3074 Abeg there is nothing wrong in not wanting to come back to Nigeria. I'm sure Nigeria hasn't happened to you before.
@@chidubem826 it doesn't need to happen to me. I am born and raised in London but I am planning to move there soon. I just don't understand why our people hate Nigeria so much. I wish I was there.
You said nothing but the truth.
My parents left Nigeria in the 1970s with the hope of eventually returning once the country's economy improved. It never did. They visit, but they have never returned. Healthcare is a major barrier and until more Nigerian-trained doctors practice in Nigeria than outside of it, it will not be a place where many can return. I can also say that being female in Nigeria is harder than in a Western country. Your opportunities are greater and you are safer. Sexual assault is investigated and maternal outcomes are higher. Safety, health and security are very legitimate concerns and for most Nigerian women are very good reasons to leave.
My parents left Nigeria over 30 years ago, moved to Jamaica, and came to UK 25 years ago. They would never dream of moving back to Nigeria. They don’t pay any school fees, I have some of the best teachers in the world, they have a comfortable salary and don’t have to worry about healthcare because of the NHS. And as they’re getting older, the government helps out through the pension schemes that they have worked for as British citizens as well as private pensions. They’re trying to get my cousins to come and study at universities here and eventually join the workforce for a better life.
Interesting they went to Jamaica first. I’m Jamaican. Just wondering why they went that route first?
The NHS is okay. But works according to budget and not in the interest to save life, so it is substandard . Secondly, getting free stuff makes one less ambitious and moreover the system is designed not to make black billionaires but rather semi- satisfied subjects of a kingdom
30 years ago is VERY VERY different from now
I've been searching for such a discussion on TH-cam for such a long time.
This is such a wholesome conversation, shedding light on such a delicate topic amongst young people.
Proud Nigerian for life 🇳🇬💪!
Honest Response based on Romans 8:14 th-cam.com/video/K99K62808Lw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=V4aybiTsvWUpWZDW to be Led, because the Grass on the other side is most often Not greener, Except you're in God's Will ⚠️📢
Wow,these is nice as a fan of Jubilee i cant wait to see more Nigerian issues being discussed on this page.❤
We've got you covered!
More videos coming soon.
I’m Nigerian based in Nigeria and I love Nigeria!!!!
There is no place like Nigeria!!! On periodtttttttt!!!!!
When I remember the heat and no light issue, I’d hate the country but I live Naija
Nigerians think that every country outside Nigeria is better. Very myopic!!!!
My sister, Nigeria has loads of problems but because I follow the news of so many countries and I know how horrific they are, I am working towards making heaven because ignorance is what's making people assume other places are rosy. I follow channels of Americans who are fleeing America and forfeiting their passports. Lmao. Nowhere is rosy! I love your brain!
😂. I will rather live an average life where I am than live miserably in Nigeria
@@pearlrants7798shut up. I am in US. I close from work at 11 and get home at 12 midnight by public bus. I prefer my security guard job in california to the Access bank job I had in lagos
There’s no billionaire in Nigeria that doesn’t have an accommodation option abroad 😂..
Hahaha... That a point too
Not an accomodation option. Its just comfort. They want to have a ready place they can use as they like. I'll shock you by saying Dangote doesnt have any house abroad. He said it! The reason most people have a house in their villages in nigeria is to have comfortable place to stay when they travel home. Thats excatly why billionaires buy homes abroad. Nigerians,truth is we love comfort as long as we can afford it!
How many of them do you know?
As poignantly,
no politician doesn't have a foreign option.
@@victoradejumo566all the rich people I know their kids are abroad and they visit abroad from time to time that guy on suit just de try hold back him true intent or he is 0.0000% of people that loves Africa at the expense of the future
One Nigerian that left Nigeria and is a billionaire. Tope Awotona.
Interesting conversation nonetheless.
I am grateful that I left Nigeria a while ago, it changed my perception of reality, how I see and show up in the world and dual citizenship makes the universe a playground, the freedom to just travel the world at your own time without visa or immigration stress , had the opportunity to see alot of ancient historical places in Europe, America and Asia and experiences stays with me forever and I am so gratefull to give my teens kids those experiences and they are going have the freedom to experience the world out of cultural boxes/norms because life is all about experiences and expansion and travel gives you those, also your mindset become more universal not some brainwashed puppet controlled by the conceptualize societies and cultures. Life that we are is way lager than our so called Nationalities.
“Dual citizenship makes the universe a playground.”
That's a great way to say it.
Thank you for watching 🙏🏽
People had to stay to their country and build just like others did ... Immigrate then you come back and be part of building the country... Stop talking about universe without knowing how it works.
@@tshidioageng6918 I know how the universe works because I am part of it and all life on earth do migrate for many reasons , this has been part of our existence,and I had privilage to pay attention to how nature works in the winter and summer here , birds species do migrate to Africa in the winter. I was in Dubai fews years ago and was blown away , UAE and Nigeria discovered oil quite the same year but today they are ahead and so are many Nations who are pragmatic about growth and development.
@@tshidioageng6918 I know how many wants to leave if Nigeria is allow to come in visa free,millions would migrate. My experience for the last 40yrs about Nigeria has been dissatisfied .
@@timmorakinyo9529Nigeria is a reflection of her citizens including you
Dada the only man who know what he is saying!😊😊
I saw the title and immediately clicked. I love these discussions with Africans and African issues ❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥
A more insightful conversation would be with we that lived abroad and moved back and those that lived abroad and stayed- there’s a lot of “I think I think” in this conversation which isn’t reality.
Thank you. We have more episodes coming on. Stay subscribed ....
Am currently in France 🇫🇷 and I tell you... I will rather make my millions in Nigeria and have the luxury of visiting any country for leisure than for settling or work.
Once I get what I want because am still a student, am coming back. I didn't come to this life to just be seen as machine.
@@apachekafka773 most nigerians dont understand that Nigeria is greemer than abroad
I agree you can’t speak with people who have never lived abroad
@@GodwinOk why do you say that? I’m actually curious.
Those who are speaking in favour of staying back in Naija are speaking from a place of privilege. A place where not many Nigerians are speaking from. They have something solid going for them and it that sense, it’s not so great to leave. Someone struggling in Nigeria will have an equal playing ground abroad and that’s a life and generational changing opportunity for them. Many Nigerians can’t see the reward of their labour after many years so being in a clime that rewards your hardwork after a number of years, is golden for them.
I see privilege speaking but salient points as well.
I saw your channel today and from the thumbnail I thought Jubilee!!!! I love Jubilee so much and I love to see the Nigerian pov/version of it! Your production is excellent! Well done, I love to see it and I look forward to more episodes for you guys! New subbie 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you so much! 🤗
We're glad you loved the production.
Not to worry, we have more interesting episodes coming soon. ❤
10:06 Excellent point, that's one thing we miss when we are abroad the community that we normally have in nigeria
Love this conversation. Thank you. Please keep it going
Thank you for watching!
More videos are on the way.
I don't like arguing with people on whether to stay in Nigeria or to japa anymore because I feel like people need to experience both sides to make a decision for themselves. Personally, I feel like loads of people who live very comfortable life in Nigeria CANNOT afford to do so abroad because there are so many factors working against you especially as an immigrant. I have spoken with people who once lived in Nigeria, worked in respectable jobs but eventually come here and become support/social workers, cleaners, etc. (working 40+ hours a week to have half of your pay/salary taken off every month just because of taxes, NI, etc). However, some people come here with good strategies either to study, learn high-income skills (ofc this CAN be done in Nigeria) which eventually opens you to better job opportunities and a better standard of living. To each their own honestly but the grass isn't always greener on the other side!
You made a valid point, i have experience both world. But the grass still non green for some part naija too 😂😂.
This whole show is an example of “We saw it over there, so We’ll bring it here” ask Jubilee😂
Nothing wrong with that.
@@AnnieSpecial92861 Everything is wrong about. As someone currently in France for close to 2 years.
If you are coming as an immigrants just know you are coming to be a machine with no life other than work.
I know there is more to life than just work and that is the kind of life I want.
This is very educative stuff. I really enjoyed the conversation.
Let me make it simple for you guys. If you earn more than a million naira in Naija, there's no need to Japa. If you make below 500k then you can Japa (if you want). If you are highly skilled you can live any where you choose to in the world. And there is no place like home.
Naija man living in Germany
Nice Topic!
A million can’t do much with Naira devaluation
Money is not the only reason people japa sha. A sense of security. Access to basic things like electricity, internet, healthcare, these are all valid reasons why people leave.
There are rich people that Nigeria has killed.
P.S: I totally understand that nowhere is safe. I get it. But people some people don’t want to walk around every day with the fear of being kidnapped.
We love to see Nigerians flying Nigeria's flag in the diaspora.
A very valid point you have by the way 👏🏽
@@user-ht9uv1wg4jVery true. There are so many reasons why people migrate and the irony of it all is that for one to be able to migrate, you have to have funds in the tens of thousands of dollars and above so the people that end up migrating are the middle class or children of rich families. I believe most people would not want to migrate because the weather and the culture is very different hear but Nigeria’s economy is not stable
@@nneoma_nu If you think a million can't do much then you are living beyond your means.
You are trying to impress people.
I left Nigeria just for studies, but I’ll come back to build it.. we are already doing our best. Nigeria is home.
First build yourself first, established connections and see what you can bring in
Don't worry, let him get one job offer first and he will see how he is treated at the workplace and the rights that are his, and the recognition that comes when he does a good job without knowing no one. No abuse not even verbal assault let alone salary deprivation....you think he will go back?@@karojames8202 story.
Na so dem they do, patriotic Nigerian outside the country.
My bro before U go back MAKE SURE U HAVE A HIGH PAYING JOB OR U HAVE A BUSNIESS THAT IS CASH FLOWING ! Don’t think U can Solve Nigerian Issues . NIGERIAN PROBEMS ARE MADE MY OUR OLDER GENERATION. The Generation born from 1960.
The lady with blonde hair has an adventurous personality. There are people who want to experience another world, it’s fine and there are people who are comfortable with living in the same place, it’s ok. I love Nigeria but if I had the opportunity and chance I would want to go somewhere else not because I’m running but because I want to experience something new. But yeah there’s no place like home at the end
Xactly!
The guy on dreads🙌🙌🙌🙌 Very intelligent conversation
Wow… home grown jubilee middle ground. Thank you guys oooo. Bring us more topics Abeg 🙏
More topics are on the way.
We're glad you love it.
I hate it when someone is trying to make a point and he/she is being interupted with silly comments
Very happy to see Nigerian version of this show
I'm glad you love the show... We were greatly inspired by Jubilee. We need to start discussing social issues like this in Nigeria now. No better time
I watch jubilee a lot and this is very inspiring. Keep up the good work! Just subscribed 👏🏼
Same! I am so happy😊😊😊😊. Well-done Cruise👏👏
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Living in Northern Europe has taught me mobility is what you should strive for. Being stack in Europe is just as limiting as being stack in Africa.
Pursuit of a career that gives you that sort of leverage should be the goal. My country Uganda has issues but it can't be replaced.
The guy on Suit is very knowledgeable. Good work!
Their friends abroad are not honest. Most people in the US and UK are in debt up to their eyes.
While a lot are financially free. There’s always two sides to a coin
@@nneoma_nu Not the ones I work with. Most who own homes and cars are in debt -- loans. If you went to college, most are repaying loans. And, let's not mention credit card debt. For most $100K per year isn't enough.
Have been in d states for 14 yrs, but have no single dept, and am doing well for my myself, Nig nor be country, na animal supposed to dey love there, d way them design am, but unfortunately humans are living there, i prefer to be a 5th class citizen here dan to be a first class in Nig, i beg Nig can never be good. Thou home is home, and no plc like home
In debt but enjoying light, healthcare, opportunity and security 😂
I do not only love my country Nigeria, but I believe I also have a mission and an assignment to do here and in Nigeria, but it's been 5 yrs since I graduated and I am still struggling. I gave myself 5 years to make it in Nigeria.
I have decided to leave to try the next 5 yrs of my life somewhere else, I am doing it on God's direction, I will still come back, and invest and do something here.
I know there is money in Nigeria but just few people can assess it, I have tried and it seems it's not for me.
Look for the National Directorate of Employment in your state of residence. They train and fund young people on different businesses. Most Nigerians are unaware of it. Take advantage of the cost free help if you still want to stay and not Japa.
@@chukwunomsootusi3155Okay thanks a lot 🙏 I'll check it out
@@chukwunomsootusi3155 do you live in Nigeria?
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@passionplay well said.
I just love the way dabest speaks 💯💯
Wosh😍. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Wanted it to go on and on. It is beyond refreshing to see people share the same thoughts/opinions concerning this japa fever. I have never caught it. Want to go or stay? Great! Just don't make those who want to stay feel small and make yourself feel superior.
A very relatable conversation. Looking forward to more videos. Well-done ❣️❣️
Absolutely!
We can be more empathetic towards people with contradicting opinions.
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I love the timing factor... pass your own opinion quickly... no time
Nigerian version Jubilee Middle Ground.
Love it, hoping to see more videos.
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@@jointhecruise I subscribed immediately.
Love this. We need to have these conversations 👏🏽👏🏽
My opinion shoots towards migrating for a very valid reason..and be smart in the process too... I love love this channel.. Post notification ON..
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life is not about happiness its about contribution and connection (relationship)
we can change our situation.
Love to see a show between Northerners and Southerners.
especiallly the nordthern youths and lets see their perspective on Japa, because most Northerners dont believe in Japa, only Igbo and Yoruba
Loool. Sorry for the laugh
As a northerner I can relate, but there are changes now because we the younger ones are having a different perspective
@@preciousdidam511are you serious? 😅
@@sadraolaedo4733 yes of cause
This debate is interesting. I'm very happy to have found this channel to be part of the discussion. As a traveller from the west, we have a saying when someone would ask where we were going, and the answer sometimes, 'Anywhere but here.' I've come to learn that 'here' is at home with yourself. As a child, my mother used to always warn me that I would think the grass is greener on the other side. I will tell you it's not. The grass is only green where you water it. Should you travel, you will encounter things that will make you long for home, giving you a greater appreciation for where you are from. Be with God and may God bless.
This is my favourite face to face episode so far. The characters are awesome, nuanced and based. Most importantly, they have a level of politeness
I wish I was on this show because I would have given them back to back and explain somethings to people about living Nigeria or coming back. I love Nigeria and I will say there is no place like home
Like what
This was a nice attempt at getting a glimpse of the mindset of the nigerian youth regarding 'japa'. A key thing to note is that one persons view/experience should not invalidate that of another. If a person feels strongly about migrating, lets not shame them and for those who want to stay behind and build, more power to them.
My opinion is that japa is prevalent in Nigeria in particular due to the disconnect between talent and reward. In my experience, talent is not typically rewarded in Nigeria, instead its all about nepotism, tribalism and connections. To be clear, there are lots of successful folks in Nigeria who made it on their own but this can not be said for the vast majority of folks. Talent will always seek where it is adequately rewarded.
Having said that, lets address why folks who migrate end up with vastly different outcomes. There are a few key factors that can accelerate or mar your chances of success such as; age at time of migration, profession/discipline, method of migration (visiting or permanent resident), availability of support abroad (friends & family), and last but certainly not least, acess to resources at home. To delve deeper into the last point, someone with resources at home may find it harder to feel successful abroad because the gains may appear to be marginal, as compared to someone with very little to nothing.
My point here is that individuals should be allowed to make informed choices about the course of their lives without being subject to public criticism. There are pros and cons with japa syndrome. For most, benefits are econmical and costs are cultural. Just make sure sure the benefits outweigh the costs.
You've outdone yourself with this writeup🙌
Giving me jubilee vibes.
I love it!
@cruise If there's a part two for this topic, I would LoVE to be a part of it!
That would be great!
While we can't tell if there's going to be a part 2, you can follow us on IG @jointhecruise where we'd be dropping updates on casting calls and just maybe, you might see a call for a part 2.
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This conversation had potential but there was a lot of people on the discussion field who didn’t know what they were talking about and were only speaking from what they heard and not what they’ve been able to experience. Next time you a discussion similar to this topic it is wise to get those who were born abroad and decided to locate back to Nigeria and those who were born in Nigeria and left Nigeria to relocate abroad. Also please get TH-camr Akubeze as she’s someone who has spoke out about Japa season and is very strong on believing Nigeria is better than abroad.
💯💯💯. The conversation was tunnel vision'd and myopic.
This is nice. Nigerians still have a long way to go in terms of having conversations though. I am not sure if this is the Nigerian version of Jubilee but we can sure take learnings from how they coordinate. They don't interrupt or speak over one another. There is clear communication and civil conversation. Keep up the good work guys as you coordinate better.
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That's not true for all jubilee discussions, there are many that are kinda rude or narrow minded
@@jessidiary4884 We can still do better. That's all I care about. We are targeting a global stage. They are doing a great job as already stated. Despite the flaws, Jubilee must be doing something good for us to imitate their ideas don't you think. The show is new and it won't be too far fetched if they can simply take learnings. No harsh criticism there, just honest recommendations.
Great video but needed subtitles, even as someone born in Southern Africa I struggled at times to understand 😂
This convo really resonated with me when that guy said name 1 person who is a billionaire that are Nigeria watch out Nigerians in the diaspora are working on something big because it’s not out there doesn’t mean it’s not happening 😂
being an immigrant isn’t a flex at the end of the day
And that's a fact.
Very great point!!
That's it 📌
The biggest cultural shock I faced in Obodo Oyibo was the individualism and I dey us no be say I dey Italy. It’s different for everyone sha but I miss the community back home
The community that exists in Nigeria is something everyone agrees on but do you think it's weighty enough an argument to stay in Nigeria?
I've fancied going on vacations, etc. But no place like home.
I love the guys that said "my breeze is saying, this is not the time to Japa"
If you are good at learning and understanding to fluent innerstanding, your chance of progressing and becoming successful is high. If you are going to Japa, make sure you have one of those oil companies as reference - they should be able to vouch for you whey the time comes.
I left Nigeria in 2002 to UK and came back 2009 and I left and Will never consider coming Back . Nigerians are the best Immigrant in UK; USA; Canada.
that guy's comment about getting a generator, you spend more money up-keeping a generator and buying fuel (min a place that has fuel shortages on top of that)... getting a generator is not cost effective as one may think it is
I really want to be on this program, so interesting. I hope i can get a chance someday, and some topic should be brought up repeatedly again to see peoples thoughts after years.
24:19 said it all!
The illusion of Nigerian residents thinking they are the ones building Nigeria when half the infrastructure thriving in Nigeria is built by Nigerians in the diaspora. It's a fact that the amount of money Nigerians in the diaspora put into the Nigerian economy has been keeping the country afloat, particularly during the pandemic. A working Nigeria is what we all want; As a resident in Nigeria please don't undermine the influence of Nigerias away from home striving toward the Nigeria we all want.
The net capital flow is negative... U can't even get the real figure of capital that leaves Nigeria. The number is big. Mostly by dubious means. Think of Abacha alone, Lucky I. James Ibori, etc
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It depends on what you want and how you want to live your life. For creatives or people in the arts and social sciences, it might be harder to make an impact abroad because you first have to learn their history and culture and the zeitgeist of the youth. For pure sciences it might be easier to make an impact because the rules are the same everywhere.
If you just want to live a comfortable life you have to learn and apply the specific ways to survive in Nigeria. It's easier abroad to live a comfortable life if you're hardworking. If it's about the education of your children, they'll get a better education abroad and you can choose to be with them there or not.
Education in Africa is the best, Government just need to put more work and put somethings in place for the gen z, but as a mom abroad I say education in Nigeria is the best. I agree with your other points
Solid conversation, reasonable argument on both sides. Great job guys!
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This panel needed a person that is an ex pat or nigerian living abroad. This panel is full of people romanticizing "the abroad"
Exactly!! I thought it was pple that gone there and returned that cane to share their experiences..#smh
Am a Nigerian living in the US. I'll put it simply. Both have pros and cons. If Nigeria had electricity and security i'd have returned home long ago. Right now I have to save more so I can live comfortably when I eventually return home. America is not the place to retire if you dont have at least a million dollars networth. Even if you own your home the taxes are high. Mortgages are a big NO NO.
usa is a living hell if u are not higher class
I enjoy the convesations and ove the different perspectives, but from personal experience no pace like home.
@Cruise - just started watching your channel today, watching from the US. I noticed some videos have subtitles and some do not. I find them very helpful, so I can understand all the speakers better across all the varieties of accents. This video I am losing the thread, and I really want to hear what everyone has to say. Can you please add the subtitles for all of your videos? It is so helpful.
Thank you for making these. Already I am learning a lot. These are conversations I do not have the opportunity to hear here in the US.
Thank you!
We're working on subtitles for our older videos.
I stumbled upon this channel, and I love it already. The major contributing factor to Japa is unequivocally bad governance. Prior to the END SARS protest, many of us never believed in Japa. But what do you do when your own government kills you the supposed future of the country and denies ever committing that crime? What?
It was bad when buhari was the president, but it's even worse now.
We now have a country where everything the government does is for the optics, where the government believes it's them against the people. We have a country now where it pays to be a politician or a political thug than to be industrious. I have only lived in Europe for a year and a few months, and I can tell you that it's the best decision of my life yet. Whenever the people in power are ready to build a nation, we will all come back because there's no place like home. Until then, japa if you have the mean, but make sure you got a job already before leaving.
Thank you.
Rich Nigerians abroad off the top of my head. Mikel John Obi, Ahmed Musa, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Adebayo Ogunlunsi (Owner of Gatwick Airport London), John Boyega, Chiwetel Ejiofor, David Oyelowo, Rotimi, Ngozi Okonjo Iwela, Israel Adesanja, Joshua Phillip. If one wants to stay in Nigeria because they prefer the culture, food, weather, familiarity with the system making working it to ones favour easier etc. then that's fine. Don't lie about Nigerians unable to achieve success at the highest level abroad because they are doing it in droves...
Chimamanda Adichie too
He said billionaire who became such from japa not already rich ppl japa-ing. There’s a difference
Love this convo.
I'd like to see this again with people that I've japad and return vs those who have japad and have no plans of returning.
yea that would be good to watch.
That's a very good suggestion.
We've noted that! Thank you.
Over the past 2 years I have traveled to 4 different countries both in Africa and the US, what I've come to realize is that if you have MONEY and a good source of income, travel around and meet people but honestly there is no place like home. I miss home and will love to establish myself there.
I moved to the UK from Namibia, and want to retire in Spain. I want to be located centrally where I can travel easily for a weekend off of what I earn from one day’s work.
I could never live in a country where the police can beat you up without being checked. I also want to live around people who are different from me, I couldn’t live around my culture because It’s not going to teach me anything new.
That's really fascinating.
It's nice to see your perspective on migration which is rare but interesting also.
If you waka go another place, e get some yawa wey fit follow:
1. **Family Wahala:** Your family fit miss you well-well, and homesickness fit catch you like craze.
2. **Culture Shock:** You fit enta one kind place wey dem no dey reason like Naija people. E fit shock you.
3. **No Pidgin English:** Dem fit no understand your sweet Naija pidgin, you go dey yan like person wey just learn language.
4. **Weather Fit Be Wahala:** If you go cold place, you fit dey wear jacket like coat of arms. If na hot place, you fit dey melt like ice cream.
5. **No Jollof Rice:** Dem fit dey cook rice like rice wey dem no get joy. You fit miss Naija jollof.
Think well before you waka, e get advantage but e get wahala too.
True talk! If you fit dey earn dollars for Naija, e fit be like say you dey use machine dey print money. E fit give you better level and fit help you upgrade your Naija swag.
Valid points but there is a lot of jollof rice abroad and African foods in general just that it is a bit pricey
I like the idea of conserving culture
It will be nice to get the opinion of people who are already settled abroad, guys with sincere and honest views. Im happy to join in the convo , I've lived in the UK for 15 years doing ok and I tend to agree with some points raised, but i think some folks are delusion in their expectation of abroad.
True.
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Delusional is the prefect word.
My advice is, if you have the financial means to relocate abroad pls do but note, have something waiting for you there is very important. Remember its not your country, you are an immigrant and all the good life you think ull have there does not apply to you. You will work your way to the top like everybody else.
When you have kids then you would know that japa is an option
1. Dada said TAX kills you but if you have the mind set of tithe which is for you to take tax I have to make something and mind you that tax gets your child in school, less your transport, and some other subsidy so the tax is nothing compared to this subsidy you get.
2- you spoke about police taking you as an immigrant but mind you with your dread, an iPhone and a laptop you are a gonner in LAGOS ISLAND. I am nothing even talking about the inner place but I am saying LAGOS ISLAND case study
3- you know igbos are termed glorified refugee even in Lagos that they were born in !! Mind you they were born in but the same people would forget that the law of the fact that you can stay in a place or country for 10yrs and apply to be a citizen(this is in our constitution ) but they are making you feel like a refugee
4- let’s be factual also if not that Nigerian have plenty Bukata of family and friends bills , an average uk worker is supposed to work for 40hrs a week that’s 4days and you make at £12per hour you make £480 per week take out the tax that’s leaving you with about £430 pounds by 4 weeks that £1720 per month after expenses you should have £600 if you have friends and you do ajo of 10persons do you know can make a deposit for a house and spread payment even as a refugee but can you achieve this in Nigeria as a FREE BORN ???
common one month data plan last for a a week in Nigeria but here in the uk one month data plan is one month data plan and nothing stops that
5- Dada said that he can’t move because he is building something it’s just a mindset I have a family business before I left but I still handle that from uk, also it took my dad 30yrs to build the company in Nigeria but I built that branch in uk I’m less than two weeks.
6- there is a community everywhere depends on your personally my wife and I are two different persons if you leave my wife we won’t have any friends except for family but I make friends even down to my delivery driver, Uber driver, the person I see a fridge packed infront of his house and I want to carry to send to Nigeria to make extra bucks it’s a personality.
7. Places like Canada even as a refugee coming on PR your child that was born in Nigeria gets a stipend but you that is in Nigeria and you are a citizen ooo not refugee would be given 1cup of rice as palliative and they would expect you to be happy!!
I would say I was TEAM NIGERIA until I started birthing kids and it dawned on me that something needed to be done asap and I have left. My wife knows that the day Nigeria get better the next morning I Dey MMA2
Hmmm 🤔
Y'all keep forgetting that those countries you are migrating to built those things you are going to enjoy with their blood and sweat so if y'all don't build your own country you will never get a iota of respect from them
I love your analysis but it seems like experiencing a bit of both worlds might be the only way for some people to reach the same conclusion as you.
Where do you live currently?
Omo see explanation😂😂😂😂
This is just like Jubilee TH-cam channel. Love this!
We're glad you do 🤗
Wow.😂i just found the Nigerian jubilee channel
Nice!
Thanks for coming ❤️
Anyone that has the option is more well off than 90% of Nigerians
That sounds a bit extreme though.
But thank you for watching 🙏🏽
This Oluchi should let other people air their opinions. Abegggggg
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Thank you for this and the set that you brought. At least most had sense.
They understand life and not some dumb utopia mindset.
That silence from the question at 6:16 was deafening.
No one knew how to reply to his question. Says a lot
The locs guy is the wisest.
We are blushing on his behalf 😊
Thank you for watching.
I love the Nigerian version of Jubilee! It’s pretty cool but please try and get TH-camrs, influencers and public figures who use their voice to speak out on topics.
no shade and i’m sorry if this comes off rude but aren’t the people already on the show, expressing their views human beings?😭 is what they’re saying not valid? i don’t understand why influencers or all that is needed. it’s about meaningful conversation and anyone can have it.
@@daraiwaloye5381 I’m saying those who have a platform and use it to speak up on important matters should come on this show to voice their views, stop reading too much into my opinions. It’s never that serious
I like Mex. As someone who wants to move abroad (hopefully this time next year, i will be in Europe) i see so much good in Nigeria & Africa.
When i move, i don't see myself marrying a Whitie or staying there long, but get skills & access that will set me off nicely....come back to some part of Africa & build.
Very interesting conversation! Back in the day, I used to be desperate about JAPA! then I had nothing going on for me in Nigeria! I am glad they refused me the two times I have tried! This days I am a cofounder of an international START UP! I have been to france once and during my stay I longed to come back to Nigeria! I think if things are good for people at home they wont want to migrate! BUT again some people admire the life abroad all the same even while they have better opportunities in Nigeria! Na those ones I dont understand
Japa is very good for exposure. I don't want to Japa for life, I want to come back and use whatever experience I got for the better good
That's a great way to go about it.
This was a very interesting conversion.Kudos to the team and everyone involved.👍🏿
First of all, the discussion of Japa is based on personal choice . I don't see any reason to convince anyone to do what they don't want. When e set nobody go tell you.
Secondly, i hate the fact that people talk about japa from a perspective of sentiment or privilege like people just hate their home and culture or they're brainwashed. Lets be honest most people are not happy leaving everything and everyone they have behind to start a fresh in a new place where nothing is guaranteed.
Nigeria is difficult place to live even for the wealthy, plus your money the system will frustrate you, nothing works. From the justice system to infrastructure, electricity, healthcare, transportion, security (did i mention the alarming rate of inflation), just to name a few.
For me, i'll do whatever i think is best for me and those i love, and if that means i have to relocate, so be it ..
You do have a valid point, actually.
The show's aim is to explore opposing perspectives and one way or the other you begin to see some sense in your opponent's perspective.
Thank you for watching 🙏🏾
If the country you are running to also ran away without solving their problems. Would it have been better for them?
It is only Africans that think running away from problems solves the problem.
Nice video and conversation
Glad you enjoyed it
great discussion topic!
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