Can QD-OLED Text Rendering Be Fixed? - Improving the AW3423DW
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Can QD-OLED Text Rendering Be Fixed? - Improving the Alienware AW3423DW
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Mactype is just Freetype for Windows, and as such you can generally expect the fix to also work on Linux (and it'll likely apply to mostly everything).
best recourse is increased font DPI. closer you can get to 200% the better
i already zoom my text in windows to 200%, so i wouldn't even notice this issue?@@Bimboms
I returned mine for this very reason. I game a lot but I read a lot on the internet, Paying 1000$ for such a visual downgrade was hard to accept.
Such a great deep dive! I'm loving this channel more and more
I'm so glad you have this channel to really get into the details.
6:03 i like that you accidentally captured pixel shift happening right when you were recording
Thank you for this content. These subpixel issues can't get enough awareness, I once bought an Asus 42" monitor that had BGR-subpixel, and was devastated, how bad it was for productivity work. I wished there were some warnings beforehand.
exactly the video i was looking for. Thanks for sharing.
I'dd add that Grayscale font smoothing with Better Cleartype Tuner also seems to be font dependent. Overall it just seems completely broken as some fonts can become totally without subpixel smoothing and others work fine. Some texts will have single letters like lowercase L that may become extra thick, resulting in text that looks like a ransom letter made of random newspaper letter clippings.
Microsoft absolutely should fix at least grayscale font smoothing as on MacOS for example LG's WRGB pixel structure seems to be a non-issue. Ideally they would simply add support for more pixel structures.
I'd be interested to see you make a part 2 testing the Alienware QD-OLED on a Mac and see what results you get there.
Also grayscale font rendering looks *better* in DirectWrite than GDI apps.
I appreciate you spear heading this topic. I also use this monitor and would really like to see Microsoft update the sub pixel layouts for emerging technology. Hopefully you can use your voice to get the initiative started at Microsoft.
Maybe we can submit a windows feature request and refer this video. I’ll check it out tomorrow
The text rendering might not be clear, but your video and your explanation definitely was. Thanks Tim
Amazing technical testing!
Excellent video. Thanks mate.
You should try these in Elite Dangerous. There is a lot of text in menus, messages and the UI and HUD. The extremely high contrast between deep blacks and bright text, couples with poor AA, makes for difficult reading at times, especially in VR. Sometimes the aliasing is so bad, it looks like staircases everywhere. Good work as always, Tim. o7
Text looks great on the C2 42, one of the big reasons i went that route.
I've had this monitor about a week now. Couple of things. Pixel shift is noticeable. Panel refresh and pixel refresh warning pop up way more often than I thought they would and at times comes up every single time I turn on the monitor. You can not update the firmware and in order to get the new firmware you need to send your monitor to Dell and they send you a refurbished unit with the new firmware compared to AW3423DWF where you can update it. The fear if burn in given the 1300 dollar price tag AND this monitors screen is weak to micro scratches and often ships with micro scratches on the screen out of the box due to no prote time layer other than bubble foam sheet from the factory. A quick reddit search will show you. Because of these things I'm thinking of returning the monitor and going with another option or waiting to see what MSI and Samsung offer in the oled market. Oled HDR and picture quality is so hard to beat and going with a IPS LCD option feels like going backwards.
100 bucks says samsung and MSI have the exact same issues, seeing as they are using the same panel.
For me, it's the raised blacks in bright room conditions, making me want to return my aw3423dwf. It's the best monitor I've feasted my eyes on, but there are a few glaring issues that I feel will be addressed eventually. Did your monitor have any visible micro scratches. Mine didn't.
Simplest fix: set windows scaling to 110% then run clear type. You'll be fine and it'll work across all applications
agree
We need update on this !!
I haven't noticed any clarity issues with text on mine... Just a tiny bit of sparkling on darker objects, maybe for some sort of temporal dithering or maybe just a limitation of the panel. It reminds me of an old plasma TV...
The OS should ask which type of RGB u have so their can "Adjust" to the right RGB type that would be the right fix.
There's very little non-RGB diplays so it could be made automatic with a whitelist
it should be just in a display driver and bang, adjusted.
Ideally you'd want a monitor to just hand the correct profile for its subpixel layout to the OS. That however would mean setting up a standard which is a time-consuming process...
Yeah, it could be:
1.) *Default* (RGB)
2.) Same with upside-down panel (BGR)
3.) Current LG OLED televisions (WRGB)
4.) Current Samsung QD-OLED ("GRB-triangle")
5.) Custom.
Preferably with a test image (small or thin text, lines at an angle).
or windows should just not lock the ability to modify text of all things
you are doing god's work here. thank you! I have my AW3423DWF sitting in the mailroom, going to pore through this video when I get it out of the box.
Mactype helped a bit, thank you!
Thank you for posting this! The text clarity is a key reason I’m holding off on the QD OLED
same
On your next Monitor Q&A, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that new Corsair Flex monitor coming out later this year (45inch UW OLED that is curve-adjustable). Disregarding the disappointingly low PPI, I am excited about being able to adjust the screen curvature depending on usage.
Also LG just annonced the UltraGear 45GR95QE with the same panel but without the bending gimmick!
The PPI isn't that bad considering it's an ultrawide. It's only 2 inches taller than a standard 32 inch 1440P panel. It may not be the best PPI, but I'd say it's not terrible.
@@Dudi4PoLFr the 800R curvature makes the bending seem much less like a gimmick IMO
He talked about it on the most recent Patreon livesteam. Paraphrasing obviously, but he said he doesn't understand who it is that needs to be adjusting their screen curve and main disappointment in the PPI of the screen (compared it to that of a 27" 1080p screen)
@@nagorak666 Well i'm sitting in front of a 43" 4K display with 102.46 PPI, IMHO it's OK/Good readability wise but I can't imagine having a 82.87 PPI display. The text on this display will be awful.
Would love to see a review on the ALIENWARE AW2723DF
One of the other fixes not mentioned here is Better Clear Type Tuner, RGB font anti-aliasing with contrast set to 1800-2200. I can’t say this “fixes” it, but it’s certainly better than stock
Sorry, I know this is super late, and you probably won't see this, but if you do can you explain where to find/enable these features? Thank you!
What actual font type do you like?
Hi mate. Awesome content. Have you tried editing videos on this screen? Would you recommend this screen for content creation? thank you.
Are there any larger (38"+) monitors that have a GLOSSY screen...? Still can't seem to find them (other than the smaller OLEDs so far) in 2022. Even though they give you a better contrast, deeper blacks, more saturated colors, etc., etc., etc...
2:03 Did you think you could sneak by the fact that you have the new Asus ROG OLED PG42UQ by us with out us knowing? Can't wait to hear your take on it!
Hi guys, i hope you are intrested in the new OLED lineup of the Monitors/TV's that launched. Some of them are for sale, some of them will be in the 4Q 2022. So i hope you will get them for the next reviews, here are the models that i am excited for:
LG 48GQ900, LG 45GR95QE, LG 42" OLED Flex LX3, LG OLED Pro 27EQ280, BenQ EX480UZ, Philips 48OLED907, ASUS ROG Swift PG42UQ (or PG48UQ), ASUS ProArt OLED PA27DCE, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8 34" (G85SB), Corsair Xeneon Flex 45WQHD240.
Setting mactype to Services caused all kinds of weird functionality issues for me. Stuff like the taskbar being empty and programs taking an eternity to load - if they ever do so.
Would love to know what you think about the new 32GQ950-B from LG.
This is really interesting video. I have already shared it with others. For now my next monitor will be an LCD with full array local dimming at 4K for the text clarity issue. While I agree that Microsoft needs to fix this issue I would not expect that fix to be fast. Designing this into the OS in a reliable way that works will take some fairly serious engineering effort and these panels are quite new. It will likely need an overhaul of how rendering is done not just text rendering in order to catch all the other things like window borders.
If they just fix text that is good enough. But lets assume they are going to fix it for everything, they dont need to 'overhaul' how rendering is done, they just need to use a more intelligent rasterization step in the rendering pipeline that accounts for subpixel sample locations. And if they make such a fix display manufacturers need only to enter relative subpixel locations to pixel center and it should out of box support various subpixel layouts.
Main problem is that all the software is designed to think with 'pixels' and not with 'subpixels'. Accounting for sub-pixels and designing rasterization around that would bring considerably clarity improvements comparable to upgrading to higher res.
Just go with a normal OLED with a WRGB layout, the text is much clearer than a QD OLED, and the options for WRGB OLED monitors is growing.
@@MistyKathrine At least for me it seems like like the TCL C835 is a better option.
Had mine since April and use for work and games. Does not bother me at all, but seem to have been unlucky with the fan as it always comes on after 30 minutes or so and is very noticeable while others say they have no issues. Would love a video on how to replace the stock fan with an upgraded and quieter fan.
This would require disassembly of the monitor and voiding the warranty. God knows how easy or hard Alienware made servicing.
The whole integrated G-Sync module is just stupid and unnecessary on an OLED panel. The module that requires active cooling offers variable overdrive - a feature most scalers mostly lack. But since OLED does not require overdrive the variable overdrive advantage of the module is negated. Alienware could have made the monitor 200 buck cheaper, without the fan and with HDMI 2.1 ports had they NOT used the G-Sync module.
I've seen many complaints about the built-in fans of this monitor emitting annoying sounds
Can you test wether increasing Vertical Totals of a monitor actually improves motion clarity? Does it increase processing lag?
Love your videos! Thank you!
Mine is getting delivered today! Glad to see there is some fix available. Would be much better if Microsoft supported this in their own software.
Yes Microsoft Windows need to have it built in, that would have solve a lot of problems with many monitor that is not rendering text correctly.
Getting mine today as well. It’s gonna be a good day
Hi guys, I’ve been seeing a bunch of ads recently for Prism monitors in Australia with high end specs at pretty cheap prices compared to more well known brands. I’d love to see you guys do a review if some of them to find out if they’re any good.
One would think they'd have worked different sub pixel layouts into the OS by now, given there are Windows tablets and 2-in-1s that can rotate around freely, and these super high density screens with weird sub pixel layouts have been around on phones for 10+ years.
I used to hate the diamond sub pixel layout a lot of phones use now, but over time realized it allows sub pixel rendering in any direction, not just horizontal as with RGB stripe.
This issue also affects the LG 42" C2. I have been fighting with the text rendering for some days now.
thank you for let us know. I'm on the fence about buying this LG 42 C2 to use as a monitor for work so the issue with text clarity is a deal breaker for me
So near monitor Nirvana, yet so far from perfection. C'mon manufacturers, where's the 32" 4K QD-OLED (with proper Windows rendering) I desire! 😬
HereHere!!! WhereWhere??
HDTVTest had an interesting video a day or two ago where he interviewed someone at LG and one of the things said was that LG was working on introducing even more sizes of OLEDs. They didn't specify what those sizes were but it did seem to imply that there might be smaller ones in the not so distant future, so a 36'' or smaller might happen soon.
Typical LCD-monitor: *RGB* subpixels (an even stripe)
Upside-down panel: *BGR* (exact same thing, just upside-down)
OLED (LG): *WRGB* (adds a White subpixel)
QD-OLED (Samsung): *"GRB-triangle"* (G on the top, R and B below it)
The font rendering is nothing the monitor can influence
It's more of a Windows problem rather than a QD OLED one then
When did Samsung inform Microsoft, Apple etc. that they're not going to use RGB subpixles, but non-standard "GRB-triangle" instead?
If the answer is either never or few weeks prior to the release (of an actual product), then Samsung deserves some blame, too...
Fringing happens on every single high contrast edge. Text in the OS is most talked about because this is the first thing you see, but it will happen on any text and any high contrast edge in any application. It is an inherent deal breaking flaw of the panel technology implemented, excusing it or blaming it on Microsoft is just preposterous.
@@krzych3114 why would it happen on every high contrast edge? it should only happen on things that use subpixel rendering, right?
Well, they're referring to the way that they arranged the sub pixels in the panel. But honestly... I think people are being overdramatic. I'll find out if I'll be eating my words when I buy my display. Just not sure which one I'm getting yet. The same panel is going to be put in a few different displays and I'm not sure which one I'll end up getting yet.
@@eukariootti1 incorrect, no one asks microsoft anything anymore because they're not likely to do a goddamn thing, yet ppl are so happy to stick with windows :)
Imperfect Text clarity really doesnt bother me much on a gaming monior; Motion, connected feel, and vibrancy along with decent HDR and deep blacks and clear images in light gradiants and light rays (my personal experience seeing flickering lines all over volume light and certain gradiants while using x35) are. Both the x35 and oled alienware have flickering in different forms. But overall id say the alienware image is less disturbed for my eyes and more predictable and less destractive so a little easier to cope with. Its a shame about the lack of polarizer on the alienware; Im ordering blackout curtains and painting my walls black. My unit has another issue where it black flashes every 15mins. Trying a replacement soon to see if its just my unit. Im loving the new screen though and the lack of black smeering is really impressing me. Its been an upgrade and not a sidegrade for me from long time x35 user.
Will you guys review Viewsonic XG2431? Would love to hear your thoughts on this monitor! Cheers!
MacType works great on my aw3423dwf! i make the text a bit bigger too and increase the monitor sharpness to 70 and its clearer than my other 3440 x 1440 34 inch LCD monitor from philips.
im thinking to get a 3423dwf, does the mac type text on browser looks good too?
Very helpful video. I just got a AW3423dwf and cant believe how bad the text is, The coloured fringing is really annoying and makes text look out of focus's especially the red on the bottom. I assumed it was a fault and Dell sent me another one, same issue. the Mactype app is making it slightly better for my gaming PC, but my MacBook Pro is awful text on the monitor. Im seeing if I can return it as its less than a week old. But its put me off OLED panels. So might go to VA or IPS. My old ASUS ROG TN panel was great for text, black levels suck though.
What 34 UW would you recommend for a 30% gaming 70%music production, productivity & docs usage.
@Monitors Unboxed can you test the new firmware (F05) for M27Q X , in the case for ULMB mode and SMART OD
AFAIK, switching to greyscale is the exact same thing as disabling cleratype. This can be tested by simply enable cleartype in the tuner, start Better Cleartype and Switch to greyscale, start ClearType tuner again which is now off.
Great work, but what did Microsoft say when you approached them?
So we need official support from MS to qd oled displays?
Or do we need direct support from every aps also?
Can you please have this exact video for MacOs? Is this an issue on MacOs? Are there any fixes available?
Random question but can an oled monitor with 400 nits of peak brightness be considered true Hdr? Thinking about getting the innocin 15A1f portable monitor.
You can sorta disable DirectWrite in Firefox's about:config, but I don't know if it's compatible with MacType.
Hello. Can your professional opinion. I'm tossing up between Alienware AW3423DW and 4K resolution for online gaming. Can you please help me which resolution to choose. Which is suitable for online gaming and streaming.
I'm glad that I'm someone who finds the text issues to be pretty difficult to notice, and even when I do it doesn't bother me
But I will have actual experience with the AW3423DW soon as my dad got one recently, he wanted the best gaming monitor money could buy and has absolutely no intentions on using it for anything other then gaming so I told him to get it, but I'll be going over there to test it for myself soon
I got the 3423DW exclusively for gaming so it doesn't bother me either. It's definitely noticeable, but I have alternate monitors on either side of the 3423DW so I tend to do most productivity related tasks on one of those.
Could you please review the LG Ultragear 32GQ950?
Please review the pg42uq, pg48uq, and odyssey ark. I’m torn between which to choose
thanks
I'm lucky I don't notice this on mine unless it's like size 8 font, super thin, and only some fonts. I've never seen it during gaming, movies or TV shows ect. Only very rarely sometimes when a flash game.
this review helped solidify my decison to purchase the G8 and i'm absolutely in love with the display! But even more so, the TV mode which is a huge plus and allows me to catch up from my bedroom.
how is it if I may ask? I'm thinking about buying it.. how does text look on it? thanks!
Any plans on analyzing the new MSI GE67 HX with the 240HZ OLED?
+1
Jarrod’sTech has done a review with response time measurements and HDTVtest also did a video on it saying it was the clearest and cleanest motion on a consumer display Vincent had seen.
After a month with it, it’s the best screen for gaming I’ve ever used.
My AW3423DWF has sharper text on the left side of the monitor. I can clearly see a difference as I move a window with text from side to side. The text gets slightly blurry as it moves to the right as it passes through the center of the screen. Is this the problem he is explaining? It doesn't sound like the same issue as I am having but wanted to make sure.
Basically we just need to wait for a good 4k 27-28 inch QD-OLED, so this issue will probably be unnoticeable due to higher resolution
Agreed, from 1440P IPS monitor, I still see a bit of jaggy/fringing in text and is not smooth enough. The older IPS i have is 4K and the text looks much cleaner to compare to 1440P monitor. So yes I agreed that OLED with 4K will be a lot better.
True true
Or Microsoft could update their ClearType code :-p
@@tivtag doubt Microsoft would update it, considering ClearType is kind of a legacy feature at this point, and the modern Win 11 UI parts seem to mostly use grayscale smoothing nowadays
@@DabiOW Could be, yay :-/ best to use a solution or tech that works right now
I wouldn't blame Microsoft. When your app has to be multiplatform, you probably wanna use a multiplatform/custom font rasterizer for consistency. I had done my own custom one for my apps, so I'm guilty as well. But I also think that good font rasterizing has to snap to pixel vertically but not horizontally, and having a green pixel above others is a real problem.
Did you try RGB at 2200 in BCTT? That's what I use, better than gray scale imo, and better than mactype because it applies everywhere.
I'm glad I held off getting one of these hyped Alienware QD-Oled's...LG have just announced their new Oled ultrawide monitor and it looks phenomenal with a 240hz refresh rate to boot
Em, actually OLED has exactly the same issue. Just the pixel layout is even more complicated.
@@mykolapetrivskyi6977 yeah I know but 240hz Oled is a game changer for competitive players...PQ purists will probably still prefer 4k at 144hz and this is why the LG 45GR95QE Ultrawide is much better in my opinion than the AW3423DW for me
@@mrwalker6026 the only thing that turns me away from the new 45” monitor is that it is the same resolution as the 34” Alienware (3440x1440p) thus having less pixels per inch, if only it had 3840x1600 then it would be a beast
But it is probably only a matter of time before we see 34” ultra wide OLED with 240hz
@@abgersaurus yes 34" Ultrawide would of been preferable..I don't think anyone would get close to utilising 240hz if the resolution was bumped up on this though
@@mrwalker6026 agreed! To me the sweet spot is 3440x1440p 240z, but that will also take a lot of oomph to get there, for now my 3080 seems to pair great with 160hz
This is the biggest reason (besides the odd anti-glare coating) that I never bought a AW3423DW personally. If it was 4K, it might’ve been worth it due to a higher pixel density to help mitigate the issue, but I work a ton in the Adobe Suite and in other productivity apps such as Maya, and the last thing I need is color fringing and color shifting because of my monitor. I’m really hoping that this tech gets put into a 4K panel that’s a reasonable size (a 42 inch C2 is also a no-go due to its shear size) and that the non-standard subpixel layout gets corrected for in Windows. Hopefully within the next few months, more monitors with OLED and QD-OLED get revealed, because having the technology mature will benefit everyone.
Also, speaking of which, I’d love to see you guys cover the professional side of monitors, like Pro-Art style displays! You’ve helped out a ton with clearing up the confusion of displays for the gaming side of things, however I’d also like to see suggestions for people like filmmakers, animators, or game devs, who may or may not need high refresh rate displays, but absolutely need as much color accuracy as possible for different price points. Thank you for all your hard work!
I was concerned about the coating but it’s not bad at all. I have a window across the room (with a blackout curtain) but even when it’s open and the sun is shining in, the picture still looks really good and I don’t notice the purple dark level shifting.
I've seen the complaints about the anti-glare coating but after receiving the monitor I have to disagree with those takes. It looks leagues better than my full matte 2nd monitor. It's possible full glossy could be a touch better for things like colors, but I think Alienware/Dell/whoever made the right call with this coating. It's perfect for my environment
Same for me, but also the bizarre lack of HDMI 2.1. The price tag is fine, but I work from home, do CAD work, and document editing, and I game on my computers both Mac and PC on one monitor / keyboard. I work about 3 times more than I game, so I can't really justify fringed text. I ended up getting the Gigabyte M32U as it has fantastic Mac compatibility with the USB-C KVM so it works really well. I use OLED TVs for all my console games and movies, so it was a shame. I'll just wait for the next iterations.
@@automata. The coating sure, but why lack a polarizing layer? I'm not a display expert by any means, but all my LG OLED TVs have a polarizer right?
@@Kerrathul it’s not really bizarre when you consider the fact that it only affects gaming consoles which can’t support ultra wide resolutions anyway. 1440p 120hz is supported over hdmi2.0 which is all the consoles would support over hdmi 2.1 anyway. You are lacking in nothing with hdmi 2.0.
thanks for the info... I am still shopping for the best 32in 4k 144hz monitor.. I need it for work, games, movies, ect. ect..
Does these help with lg c2 oled also? Text is little pixelated in Windows 11
Can we get a followup on this?
This subpixel layout is what prevented me from buying this monitor.
Yep, I think the OLEDs with the WRGB subpixel layouts are much better for PC use and there is a lot more options coming out now and in the near future.
Just use the QD-OLED for gaming/consuming and have a separate monitor for productivity (aka your current monitor). That's what I'm doing - problem solved.
Please review the LG 32GQ950
I know that you primarily use Windows, but I was wondering how is the subpixel rendering on Linux? I could easily see myself primarily switching to Ubuntu in near future (maybe with a windows dual boot) as majority of the games that I am interested in nowadays support it.
I don't have direct experience with Ubuntu, which defaults to the Gnome desktop environment. I can tell you that subpixel rendering is excellent in Fedora with the KDE desktop, arguably better than Windows--at least with regard to BGR monitors. I doubt the FOSS community has developed a fix for cutting edge, high-end OLED monitors, though.
One of the things you'll learn about Linux, and particularly about stable release distros like Ubuntu, is that compatibility with brand new hardware can be a little spotty--though not all that bad if you're willing to tinker a bit. (And of course, installing NVIDIA drivers can require a little extra hoop jumping, but I'd say that complaint is overblown these days.) Otherwise, on most hardware, Linux can actually be markedly easier than Windows, basically effortless; the drivers are included in the kernel so you don't even have to identify, much less install them. The first time Linux fired up my printer without my having to touch a damn thing was a mind-blowing experience.
So if you're looking to get started with Linux and you think you'll have cutting edge hardware on the regular, you might err away from distros with a slow release cycle (Debian/Ubuntu). I'd definitely stay away from the opposite extreme, rolling-release distros like Arch (and its derivatives, e.g. Manjaro). Fedora's a nice happy medium on that front--the updates are frequent, but not so frequent that you have to tinker constantly.
On the other other hand, if you just want the easiest possible distro for a WIndows user to start with, then Linux Mint is by far the best option, IMO. This is a Debian/Ubuntu-based distro, so it is a stable (slow) release, which means you might have to tinker with drivers occasionally. For example, I had to manually install AMD drivers for my RX 6800 roughly 4 months after the card's release--but as long as you're not buying brand new hardware on the regular, you should be fine.
I've rambled endlessly here and largely off-topic. I hope you do try Linux. Dual booting is a nice option. The main obstacle, to start, is simply getting past the paralysis-by-analysis that comes with all of the many many distribution options out there.
That's a matter of debate, but I agree with @RedundancyDept that the experience can very good, if not better, than Windows. I also think that, generally speaking, Linux handles greyscale text rendering far better than Windows does. As @kasakka has pointed out, it's quite inconsistent on Windows. On Linux it's very consistent, and, with hinting set to "slight", isn't too off from rgb subpixel rendering.
Freetype is very customizable. So if you want quality subpixel-rendering that's compatible with QD-OLED subpixel layout, you can *probably* manage via a custom compiling with similar parameters for the subpixel layout that's offered in this video for Mactype. Freetype *is* what Mactype uses after all. However there is no direct interface - I think - to customize Freetype the way you can with Mactype on Windows. But, hey, at least Freetype works globally on Linux whereas on Windows it's a bit of a broken mess.
The only area wherein font rendering is really lacking on Linux is gamma correction, so with subpixel rendering turned on, some fonts can look a little too dark on dark backgrounds.
@@RedundancyDept that complain is definitely not overblown, and that bit of tinker requires hours of google search so uh, I would refrain from saying Linux can be effortless because it never is. Don't get me wrong I love Linux myself, I dualboot arch (of course had to mention this otherwise I wouldn't be an arch user) and windows on my main desktop and use it for almost anything but gaming and some other windows-specific tasks but for us who are used to deal with these kind of problems it does seem like a small issue now, but in a new user's perspective it is utter pain and I'd like to avoid people thinking it is a pretty experience
@@javierflores09 I hear you, Javier--and usually I agree. It's frustrated me, at times, to see Linux advocates minimize the learning curve. There've been a number of relatively mundane things that tripped me up quite a bit, both because Linux makes certain things needlessly obscure or complicated (to my Windows-trained eye), and because Google is often very much less helpful with regard to diagnosing and fixing Linux issues. Windows spoils us to a large extent just due to its enormous user base complaining on the internet on our behalf, lol.
So I hope RolandsSh won't take my comment as a "lol Linux is effortless." But specifically with regard to NVIDIA drivers, I've found the process to be extremely smooth and easy, both on Fedora and Linux Mint. When I say the complaint is overblown, I'm simply referring to the common refrain in internet comments that you should "just buy AMD" if you're using Linux. I get that NVIDIA's behavior shouldn't be rewarded, but I also don't think people who already have an NVIDIA GPU should let that dissuade them from trying Linux.
And there are certain things that are just easier on Linux. Managing most drivers and pretty much all software updates are the big ones that leap to mind, but there are a number of little things too that may or may not apply to you, if you're using a different Desktop Environment. And the storage options--simply magnificent, though perhaps occasionally difficult or fiddly to configure.
Gaming, likewise, I've found absolutely stunningly easy, but I don't game much, and I don't play games that have Anti-Cheat. For a lot of games Steam/Proton will handle everything for you now, though.
But yes, absolutely, Linux isn't an adjustment for the faint of heart. You have to want to do it, and you have to be willing to spend extra time fiddling with things, much as you would have to fiddle if you were learning Windows for the first time.
Dual booting is excellent in this regard. I have three systems ATM--one's running Fedora full-time, another's running Mint full-time, and my main "gaming" machine dual boots Fedora and Windows. I like having the option of using Windows; it's nice to have that security blanket, the knowledge that I could run a Windows-only app if i absolutely had to--but I really haven't needed it. If you have a working Windows license and sufficient disk space, there's no reason not to keep the option around, particularly if you're just starting out with Linux.
EDIT: to clarify, when I said Linux can be "basically effortless" on "most hardware," in my first post, i was referring to drivers. Now that I re-read it I can see how you might interpret that as a general statement on Linux's ease of use. My fault.
@@javierflores09 I'm surprised you are not booting your Windows installation as VM with dedicated GPU for gaming :) I have an excuse of running on Ryzen in Mini ITX (no second GPU).
will you be doing the dwf variant?
Will this monitor not having free sync negatively impact me? I have a 6800 XT paired with 5800xd3
what is the mactype layout for WBE OLED for my C2?
Great video on a pretty problematic subject. I notice it even on a 4K TV in games from a viewing distance that feel somewhat immersive and it feels like such a huge downgrade in picture quality that I would 100% still go for a WRGB OLED instead even if the brightness gap increases next year. Really hope they can just change the QD-OLED subpixel-layout without a significant loss in brightness.
yep returned a QD OLED and went back to my LG CX lol... ill wait until LG improves with some new tech tbh
This video is great since I get my monitor nexxt week on wednesday. Hopefully the text rendering wont bother me, if not at least there is hope for a future software fix.
Don't focus on it and you wont have an issue. I've had mine for 2 months and would not switch back to an LCD IPS or VA.
@@pyro2677oz oh I'm betting I won't go back either, I already own a lg oled and won't do any other type of tv anymore.
Is this issue present in 14-16 inch laptop screens? What subpixel layout do those eve use? Can it be non-issue due to higher PPI?
Yes with higher ppi it is less an issue. I would hope the laptop manufactures can make their own drivers, so they should avoid the problem all together. But depends on if they put in the effort.
Tim - help!
My ancient glossy monitor is starting to fail and there doesn't seem to be anything like it nowadays. Do you know of any 27" Glossy WQHD monitors that aren't 2012 models? If not - which have the lightest anti-glare coating?
Have had the AW34 for a week now. I feel so lucky that I can't notice the fringing with my eyes. I know it's there cause I can see it if I take a macro photo but with my eyes...nope.
Any plans to review the Dell G3223Q? On paper it seems quite promising for the price. Besides you, the only other reviewer I’d trust to properly test a display is Vincent from HDTVTest.
Would you recommend buying a 4k 28 monitor the samsung G7 LS28 to be specific for 500 dollars? New
Since qd has similar pixels to crt, would old media/games be worth using in it?
When are you gonna review the LG 32GQ950?
Guys are you reviewing the new lg ultra gear monitors?
Silly question maybe, but what does the text of the OSD look like?
Tim, are you planning to review Asus PG42UQ? It seems like a good upgrade over LG C2?
Yeah I agree that OS should be updated to handle different sub-pixel layout. But also, while higher resolution will help this, still, text wouldn't be rendered perfectly. What I hope to see is QD-OLED move to regular RGB layout though. I know they had their reasons why it's using current one for now, but once tech improves a switch would be great to see.
If any, that should be the task for the drivers
Depends which layout is actually better overall though. QLED might allow them to chose a new layout and just stick with it as no need to keep redesigning it.
This monitor should only be used for gaming and media. Bought it a month ago and nothing fixed the horrible blurry text and fringing. I had to return it.
Can u fix the bad reflections on the glossy panel ?
Even if you could somehow fix the text rendering across the entire OS, this problem still affects everything else as well. It's visible on icons, UI, all sharp lines like the edges of windows and so on. I use a LG C2 many hours each day for desktop work, including graphic design and illustration where i need good rendering for all those thin lines and sharp edges. While the WRGB subpixel layout is not quite as good as a standard RGB layout it's still very usable even for this type of display challenging work. I'm happy with the C2 overall, unlike my experience with QD-OLED. I don't consider QD-OLED fit for purpose as a monitor in it's current form.
4K pixel density wont be enough to significantly reduce the subpixel rendering issues either. On some lines/edges at certain angles and colours i could still easily see problems from 6+ foot away (2 meters). Only something like 8K would be enough to _mostly_ eradicate these issues with a typical viewing distance and screen size, which is ridiculous. QD-OLEDs subpixel layout simply needs to be changed.
the c2 is not fit for purpose as a monitor, as it's a tv, and far too large.
@@balls2thewall724 > 42 inch C2 model is acceptable as a monitor
Same problem with my amoled s9 tab i can discern the red and the green subpixel even if the pixels are so tiny
overall windows needs to deal with scale and rendering engine of there fonts and UI elements as the issue with 1440p and 4k at odd sizes look horrible. also dealing with sub-pixel structure would be part of that as well i would say.
but i would say it is good to know that overall this is a software issue more than a hardware issue so it can be improved and fixed with time.
I hope Microsoft updates the built in Clear-type function built into windows to support this sub pixel layout.
I've just gotten used to it after going through the Clear-type process twice, its fine, I can live with it.
There's a bunch of channels 'testing' the Asrock 34" Phantom Gaming monitor. Any chance for a real test?
Please review the PG42UQ
Where is the link to the reddit thread? I can't see it in the description.
Pixel layout reminds me of Oneplus 5 phone where the Optic Amoled had the unique layout. This seems similar. Text was fuzzy on that phone.
Wondering if MSI G27Q is worth buying or should I go for MSI Optix MAG274QRX. The Gigabyte M27Q is not available in my region. But the msi one costs bit more. Primary use gaming, coding and occasional content creation.
@telegram me 👉milliondollarsbogan lol stop
This issue doesn't only affect QD OLED panels but any wrgb oled like lg C2
please review the corsair neon flex pleaseeeeee