test drove this car the other day, it had a good amount of power, smooth shifter and clutch, and handled decently. overall i was pretty satisfied with it.
I see Honda is taking notes. That HP numbers seems weak, but Honda always sandbags the numbers. Having multiple hondas and loving every variations, those who are quick to say Honda has "fallen off" have no clue what Honda has always done going back several decades.
I love my Si! Feels really nice, sucks after 70pmh(5th n 6th gear) doesn't really give that good feeling, really slows down, but w.e still love it and handles really great its surprising!(agree with more hp but torque makes up for most of it)
Purchase a new Honda Civic Del Sol Si in 1993 automatic and still drive it daily! Yes, a host of repairs required, however, same engine and transmission. I still get compliments! Loved your review, perhaps I ought to treat myself.
Dude you are seriously in my opinion the greatest TH-cam car reviewer I have ever heard Oh one more thing, I wanted to hear other stuff about the car's dynamic, like throttle response, gear change throws, stuff like that but other than that you were very good and I really enjoyed watching the video :)
looks? yes the 8th gen is better, but the 9th gen is a better built si imo. it has much more usable torque for city driving and a all around better engine. the 9k tach was nice but thats all i miss on the 8th gen. the bolt ons are almost the same, the 9th gen just needs more time so people can familiarize themselves with the new motor and setup.
@@kevingomez6652 oh my bad I miss read your comment lol yea thats a good ass deal just make sure it hasent been fuckerd with by ricers. The motor is good and will last a long time
The 2013 interior is so much better then the 12 and it’s not 2 tone it’s all black 14 and 15 are even better although I personally prefer the the 2013 coupe before the refresh imo but still love them
Had my 2012 for 2 years and some change now got it at 49,000 miles and now clocked at 87,000 miles and still running strong. Only major issue I’ve had was getting my CMC changed at 62,000 miles, since then no problems. Just regular oil changes. Once I get to 120K I’ll be upgrading to a Stage 1 clutch. Any owners out there reached over 150K yet? I plan on riding this Si til the wheels fall off lol. Just an update if anyone is curious. I finally reached 200,000 miles on my Si and it’s running strong as ever. Replaced my clutch with OEM clutch @ 118,000 miles and replaced my alternator @ 160ish,000 miles other than that she still health and reliable.
@@GhadSpeed :) I know right? I thought of getting it orange but even most ladies prefer it white as I am told by them. I managed to haggle the price down to $13,500 at least. Plus navigation, 2 original keys with an extra copy.
Mine was a loaded 1997 model. I drove it for 6 years. It was LOT's of fun and outside of the standard oil change and normal maintenance procedures had ZERO problems. I was VERY happy with the Civic Si, hard to beat !!
i actually always liked high torque at low revs. That's what puts you ahead of the pack, i remember the Toyota Celica had to be floored and be screaming to get any torque.
I looked in the 2012 SI accesories and there definitely is a front lip, rear lip and side skirt options for the SI so idk why the reviewer said there wasn't any options to make the SI look "meaner"
I've been thinking about getting a 2019 Si and was kind of wondering if I got a 7 year loan if looking at a current 7 year old Si would give me any idea what kind of shape the car would be in in the year 2026 when I get it paid off. Obviously this is a 9th gen Si and the 2019 is 10th gen with a smaller turbo charged engine. But I could afford the payments and I just want something new with a warranty something stylish with a little pep and easy to maintain.
I realize this video is looking at the 2012 as it was brand new. I was curious what the selling points and specs were at the time it came out compared to what is new now.
I test drove the Subaru BRZ a couple weeks ago and it was awesome. It's like a higher quality FRS. Rear wheel drive 2.0L monster that hits a 7400 redline just like our prelude's. It really blew the prelude away in every category, the interior was the nicest I've seen next to a Aston Martin DB9. Honda just doesn't care for the "tuner" community anymore. They discontinued the NSX, S2000, and Prelude, then to top it all off they shit some CRZ's and 4 door Civic Si's out of their factory.
has anyone mentioned that the exhaust manifold is CAST WITH THE HEAD on the k24z1, so if you want to modify it, your going to have to swap out the head. 8th gen ftw
@FT86TT i know, but my point is if you want power at mid range rpms you put it a turbo on a smaller engine and you have less fuel consumption and less weight, if got an aspirated engine, needs to be a little bit more fun just like the old civic si that revs at 8300 rpms
AWESOME car and a great review although realistically it probably doesn't need any more horse power for American roads. Although... I'd love to see Honda release an AWD version with around 300hp and call it the Honda Civic Si-X coupe. It'd be a proper WRC car that I'd buy on day 1!
@0FromFarAway0 Well...didn't exactly forget them. The ST is not available yet and the genesis is a midsizer, not a compact (so technically not a direct competitor...even if often cross shopped).
@Ethan Hamm tc is nice i mean with its's price tag you could never go wrong. It's just that when your sitting in tc's cockpit i just don't feel like driving it.
@MBP6705 agreed. the s2k was a very nice and affordable car and if they do bring it back (hopefully) i hope they do with a lil more leg/head room. i was very upset to find out i couldnt comfortably fit in the previous model...
I put on a hitch and pull my 3 rail dirt bike trailer with a crf450 a 700 raptor and a 5 gallon can of race gas and the torque pulls right off the bottom with minimal clutch.. engine is super powerful. Rush hour creeping along in and out of the clutch you need not touch the gas to keep it running.
@leabuelo are you talking about the ep3 type R? cause the ep3 in the US doesnt even have real vtec, shitty redline, etc. the ep3 type R is a totally different story
@LuchadoreBob Yeh the rolls is annoying but this model doesn't have the factory performance springs and although it does lean i've hit some good corners at high speeds in my Si, and I have yet to run into a mazdaspeed3 to see just how fast it is. The SI isn't the fastest car but the motor has so much potential and that's the specific reason why i got it because only a few pounds of boost and this thing can stomp any WRX sti maybe not from the dig (wheelspin >.
If anyone is questioning how this thing drives..... you haven't driven one. The first time i got in one it felt amassing! The car is so perfect in every where it's worth every single penny! To bad i still can't afford one! Yet....
@hondaspeed152 but the focus svt also outhandles the si in all aspects in comparisons. like I said I do respect the si for what they have done with it, it is a great car for what they are working with. You can not be biased though and give credit where credit is due and appreciate a car no matter what logo is on it. I had an svt in 2003 and it was my favorite car (I've had a 06mustang, 07wrx, 95 prelude si w/jdm h22a red top n.a modded to the max)so I love all cars and each one has their perks.
I don't think I would WANT it to stand out in a crowd too much. If I want "ground effects," I can buy them later. This could be something of a sleeper as it is now. The narrator is right... maybe it could use a bit more horsepower and be even better at its job... taking rivals off guard when the time is right. You can buy that later too. My daughter bought her 2012 Civic (base engine) exactly one year ago. She still can't believe it's as good as it is.
stupid ? did the 2011-2012 civic si sedan change in any major way? iv found some nice carbon parts for the 11 but nothing for 12 but they look the same
I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but I think Honda got it right with the EP3 Si. It doesn't have straight line speed, and it has skinny tires that can break away from you. There is some body roll, but that's all part of it. It won't win awards on the Nuremburgring, and won't seem like the best car if you are a number crunching accountant. But through the twisties you feel involved in the driving. It's a pleasure.The fun factor starts so early. And then it gets 26mpg when driven hard.
@ty922 well maybe is because i didn't drive it for hours, i just test drove it, but i've owned several civics, eg6, ek9 and ep3, i really don't think there's a better one than the ep3, but maybe i just need to give it more time
Hate it or love it, good cars don't need to change. Look at the Porsche Carrera, Aston Martin's.This has evolved, not too much but just right. Honestly the person who buys a regular Civic doesn't want power, they want it to be quiet, reliable, roomy, good on gas and this car does it. And the Si is a lot better, with the more displacement Si owners will start to know what torque is. IMO it's a better car overall but I'm not sure if it's a better Honda Civic.
I think the one blatantly clear argument to made made in defense of this car is price. With an entry price of under $23,000, you do get a lot of car for your money. More powerful engine than you'd find in most if not every other other car costing that much, and the (somewhat tarnished) Honda reputation for reliability.
@nigma195 Then I'm sure you know that the 3 door FN2 chassis of Type R competes in British Touring Car Championship and competes against all types of other chassis including the RSX, which both FN2 type R's consistantly place ahead of. The 3 door config has structural and handling advantages in motorsports, but in the regular driving world, the hatchback combines the advantages of the "pocket-rocket" with the utility cargo space of larger vehicles. In summary, civics are better as hatchbacks.
lol everyone mad saying 8th gen is better. It may look better. but I ran runs all night with this 8th gen which also had mods and although it was close, i still won every run. So i don't care that i don't have a sweet spoiler or w/e rims are nicer interior is nicer and runs better. And the motor has twice as much potential when modded.
I like them, at first I was kinda iffy about the way the back come down, but once u see the lowered, they look awesome, my buddy has one and its nice. Besides can't complain with the k24, gobs of trq is always great. The dash is cool as well, I like how it show's u wen ur hittn vtec. The powerband is basically a 45 degree line all the way across, if trq and hp are close in numbers, u got a good car, and this has both.
When I bought this car in summer 2019, I couldn’t care less about the new generations. 🤗
Am I the only person that’s looking at this video in 2019?
No, lots of people look at this when shopping used cars! Thanks for watching!
Lmao me
Who still has their 9th gen?
I have mines for about 3 years now. 112,000 miles on it. Running strong.
No it’s 2020
2020
test drove this car the other day, it had a good amount of power, smooth shifter and clutch, and handled decently. overall i was pretty satisfied with it.
I see Honda is taking notes. That HP numbers seems weak, but Honda always sandbags the numbers. Having multiple hondas and loving every variations, those who are quick to say Honda has "fallen off" have no clue what Honda has always done going back several decades.
I love my Si! Feels really nice, sucks after 70pmh(5th n 6th gear) doesn't really give that good feeling, really slows down, but w.e still love it and handles really great its surprising!(agree with more hp but torque makes up for most of it)
Purchase a new Honda Civic Del Sol Si in 1993 automatic and still drive it daily! Yes, a host of repairs required, however, same engine and transmission. I still get compliments! Loved your review, perhaps I ought to treat myself.
Thanks for a no B.S. and honest review. Very informative.
Dude you are seriously in my opinion the greatest TH-cam car reviewer I have ever heard
Oh one more thing, I wanted to hear other stuff about the car's dynamic, like throttle response, gear change throws, stuff like that
but other than that you were very good and I really enjoyed watching the video :)
looks? yes the 8th gen is better, but the 9th gen is a better built si imo. it has much more usable torque for city driving and a all around better engine. the 9k tach was nice but thats all i miss on the 8th gen. the bolt ons are almost the same, the 9th gen just needs more time so people can familiarize themselves with the new motor and setup.
I have a serious question... Does the 2013 Honda Civic SI comes with Hill Starter Assistance (HSA) ???
I know the 2014+ has it!
It doesn’t have that…
Hopefully this can car can come down in price to maybe $15,000 soon.
I got it for 15 bud
@@mexican8485 what you think this 2012 honda civic is stock they want 11,000$ and has 76miles on it its from a delaership oh and is stick shift
@@kevingomez6652 it's hard to find a 12 si with low miles plus after everything it was 15 k which is pretty good
@@mexican8485 yeah I'm THINKing buying it but idk
@@kevingomez6652 oh my bad I miss read your comment lol yea thats a good ass deal just make sure it hasent been fuckerd with by ricers. The motor is good and will last a long time
test driving a low mileage one Saturday, hoping for the best
I love the 2012 honda civic si. My friend owns one and it is an amazing car.
The 2013 interior is so much better then the 12 and it’s not 2 tone it’s all black 14 and 15 are even better although I personally prefer the the 2013 coupe before the refresh imo but still love them
Had my 2012 for 2 years and some change now got it at 49,000 miles and now clocked at 87,000 miles and still running strong. Only major issue I’ve had was getting my CMC changed at 62,000 miles, since then no problems. Just regular oil changes. Once I get to 120K I’ll be upgrading to a Stage 1 clutch. Any owners out there reached over 150K yet? I plan on riding this Si til the wheels fall off lol.
Just an update if anyone is curious. I finally reached 200,000 miles on my Si and it’s running strong as ever. Replaced my clutch with OEM clutch @ 118,000 miles and replaced my alternator @ 160ish,000 miles other than that she still health and reliable.
I'm about to buy one. White, 2013, 50k miles on it. Can't wait.
Kiba Whitefang the 2013 model is the best looking in my opinion! You’ll love it bro. Let VTEC take your soul.
@@GhadSpeed :) I know right? I thought of getting it orange but even most ladies prefer it white as I am told by them. I managed to haggle the price down to $13,500 at least. Plus navigation, 2 original keys with an extra copy.
Kiba Whitefang it’s a steal man. Congrats.
@@GhadSpeed Thanks buddy! :) I am just wondering how to use a Hondata but that's too complicated! D:
Mine was a loaded 1997 model. I drove it for 6 years. It was LOT's of fun and outside of the standard oil change and normal maintenance procedures had ZERO problems. I was VERY happy with the Civic Si, hard to beat !!
EM1’s are still sweet and SUPER hard to find
i actually always liked high torque at low revs. That's what puts you ahead of the pack, i remember the Toyota Celica had to be floored and be screaming to get any torque.
I'm thinking getting the sedan and getting snow tires to survive this Michigan winter... not sure if it's a good idea or not...
Looks a lot better than the last Si coupe.
What are your thoughts of the Si compared to the 2011 MINI cooper S that you reviewed previously?
whats this guy bitching about engine hp for, hondas the only one who puts out a naturally aspirated 4cylinder that has 200hp without a turbo
I looked in the 2012 SI accesories and there definitely is a front lip, rear lip and side skirt options for the SI so idk why the reviewer said there wasn't any options to make the SI look "meaner"
I wonder if the 2012 addressed the transmission issues as 2nd and 3rd gear that plaqued the 8th gen?
is this for sale in australia? Havent seen this car here
@cibodrake You cant. The exhaust manifold is casted into the block...
I've been thinking about getting a 2019 Si and was kind of wondering if I got a 7 year loan if looking at a current 7 year old Si would give me any idea what kind of shape the car would be in in the year 2026 when I get it paid off. Obviously this is a 9th gen Si and the 2019 is 10th gen with a smaller turbo charged engine. But I could afford the payments and I just want something new with a warranty something stylish with a little pep and easy to maintain.
I realize this video is looking at the 2012 as it was brand new. I was curious what the selling points and specs were at the time it came out compared to what is new now.
@krifansuil Header? The exhaust manifold is casted into the block...
i don't get it, what is the sense of a sport aspirated car if they hit the limiter at 7000rpms?
Have to say after the '14 refresh on the suspension, interior, and technology, this car really stepped up to be one of the best for the money.
dapper_si 2013*
@mrlaocean Haha. I'm in asia and it hasnt come here yet. What is your impression of it "in person"? Does it look big? classy? sporty?
I test drove the Subaru BRZ a couple weeks ago and it was awesome. It's like a higher quality FRS. Rear wheel drive 2.0L monster that hits a 7400 redline just like our prelude's. It really blew the prelude away in every category, the interior was the nicest I've seen next to a Aston Martin DB9. Honda just doesn't care for the "tuner" community anymore. They discontinued the NSX, S2000, and Prelude, then to top it all off they shit some CRZ's and 4 door Civic Si's out of their factory.
I drove one today and I felt in love with the performance esp the features inside with the nav xm radio link and more. I definitely want one.
has anyone mentioned that the exhaust manifold is CAST WITH THE HEAD on the k24z1, so if you want to modify it, your going to have to swap out the head. 8th gen ftw
Will get one soon! I'm so excited, a sporty fun coupe with the reliability and practicality for my everyday needs!
would you say this is a good starter car i just turned 16 and i might get this any other suggestions?
@FT86TT i know, but my point is if you want power at mid range rpms you put it a turbo on a smaller engine and you have less fuel consumption and less weight, if got an aspirated engine, needs to be a little bit more fun just like the old civic si that revs at 8300 rpms
This guy is a good reviewer. He touched all the important aspects of the car.
how much did you end up getting the si for?
2:23 Trash control?
wanna see what tuners do with the bigger engine/torque.
@Acc0rd79 so what's a good new car, im 17 i want to get something like thia civic si, but is there anything better?
do you know how much he got it for?? final price and how much he pays a month? if u can tell me that would be great!
will we get this model in australia?
Was the 2012 Si remodeled for 2013 or was it only the sedan?
coupe was remodeled for 2014
how much are those selling for?
mine is NA to ... thou it is not stock
with forged rods pistons and crankshaft and all..
@knownhuman1 when are they onna come out with a rear wheel srive turbo car....
@mrlaocean Thanks for the reply, and its good to hear a positive review. The car is coming here early next year, i hope to get one!!!
wow this is a really good review, the little illustrations helped me understand a bit more about the engine, hahaha good stuff!
Front wheel drive?
So what are your guys Opinion on this? do you like this 9th Gen better than the 8th gen? or no ?
AWESOME car and a great review although realistically it probably doesn't need any more horse power for American roads. Although... I'd love to see Honda release an AWD version with around 300hp and call it the Honda Civic Si-X coupe. It'd be a proper WRC car that I'd buy on day 1!
@ninjaseven1 why don't you look up what Jeremy Clarkson had to say about the Honda v-tec systems?
@reeroca you can add headerson the 9th gen , hell you can add a turbo if you want. i work for honda and have seen it
@0FromFarAway0 Well...didn't exactly forget them. The ST is not available yet and the genesis is a midsizer, not a compact (so technically not a direct competitor...even if often cross shopped).
Tuners are actually complaining about the 9th gen Si because of the integrated exhaust manifold. Makes it more difficult to put bolt ons there.
@Ethan Hamm tc is nice i mean with its's price tag you could never go wrong. It's just that when your sitting in tc's cockpit i just don't feel like driving it.
wow, a shift light? last time I saw a stock shift light was in an old '87 ford escort that my dad had when I was young.
He is exactly correct about the lack of styling flair, but I disagree about suspension/engine tuning. I very much prefer my Spec-V over the new Si.
@MBP6705 agreed. the s2k was a very nice and affordable car and if they do bring it back (hopefully) i hope they do with a lil more leg/head room. i was very upset to find out i couldnt comfortably fit in the previous model...
It looks like the subaru brz might be a cooler option cuz if the rear wheel drive plus it looks better. Hmm idk
I personally don't like the car but I can't mix that with the great review AutoguideVideo did for it. Awesome Video!
Only manual transmission right?
nice review
@mayhem523 so what about the 50 somethings that buy ferraris, lamborghinis, aston martins, BMW M cars, Mercedes AMG cars, Audi S models, and porsches?
I put on a hitch and pull my 3 rail dirt bike trailer with a crf450 a 700 raptor and a 5 gallon can of race gas and the torque pulls right off the bottom with minimal clutch.. engine is super powerful. Rush hour creeping along in and out of the clutch you need not touch the gas to keep it running.
Ironically this guy just reviewed the two colours that I am deciding on....
DBP or ROP
Any suggestions?
hfp is basically a body kit. but it does give it sportier suspension, and stickier tires.
@tommiedatrip yea they do there working on the new nsx and s2000 but i do feel like the new civic design in the back of the car was a step backwards
@leabuelo are you talking about the ep3 type R? cause the ep3 in the US doesnt even have real vtec, shitty redline, etc. the ep3 type R is a totally different story
@LuchadoreBob Yeh the rolls is annoying but this model doesn't have the factory performance springs and although it does lean i've hit some good corners at high speeds in my Si, and I have yet to run into a mazdaspeed3 to see just how fast it is. The SI isn't the fastest car but the motor has so much potential and that's the specific reason why i got it because only a few pounds of boost and this thing can stomp any WRX sti maybe not from the dig (wheelspin >.
They should keep bumping the specs but bring back the look of the eg's or ek's.
I'd love a 2013 "EM1" style civic....
it says premium fuel is required for this car. but do you think it REALLY needs premium?...
If anyone is questioning how this thing drives..... you haven't driven one. The first time i got in one it felt amassing! The car is so perfect in every where it's worth every single penny! To bad i still can't afford one! Yet....
Good reviewer
Civic SI is a phenomenally good car, and I absolutely love its styling.
Nothing can touch it, in its class.
@jayhova Potential? You cant even bolt on a header. The exhaust manifold is casted into the block.
still no LED lights?
why haven't they tacked a turbo on that damn thing?
@BlueAvenue22 You cant even bolt on a header, the exhaust manifold is casted into the block.
@hondaspeed152 but the focus svt also outhandles the si in all aspects in comparisons. like I said I do respect the si for what they have done with it, it is a great car for what they are working with. You can not be biased though and give credit where credit is due and appreciate a car no matter what logo is on it. I had an svt in 2003 and it was my favorite car (I've had a 06mustang, 07wrx, 95 prelude si w/jdm h22a red top n.a modded to the max)so I love all cars and each one has their perks.
after watching this video, I feel more grateful that I live in a country where cars have their steering wheels on the right-hand..
I don't think I would WANT it to stand out in a crowd too much. If I want "ground effects," I can buy them later. This could be something of a sleeper as it is now. The narrator is right... maybe it could use a bit more horsepower and be even better at its job... taking rivals off guard when the time is right. You can buy that later too.
My daughter bought her 2012 Civic (base engine) exactly one year ago. She still can't believe it's as good as it is.
stupid ? did the 2011-2012 civic si sedan change in any major way? iv found some nice carbon parts for the 11 but nothing for 12 but they look the same
I know a lot of people won't agree with me, but I think Honda got it right with the EP3 Si. It doesn't have straight line speed, and it has skinny tires that can break away from you. There is some body roll, but that's all part of it. It won't win awards on the Nuremburgring, and won't seem like the best car if you are a number crunching accountant. But through the twisties you feel involved in the driving. It's a pleasure.The fun factor starts so early. And then it gets 26mpg when driven hard.
@ColdNapalm42 Why would awd turbo cars compete with N/A fwd cars like the Si? Haha, next thing you say is that the GT-R competes with a sentra
how fast 1/4 mi?
@ty922 well maybe is because i didn't drive it for hours, i just test drove it, but i've owned several civics, eg6, ek9 and ep3, i really don't think there's a better one than the ep3, but maybe i just need to give it more time
Hate it or love it, good cars don't need to change. Look at the Porsche Carrera, Aston Martin's.This has evolved, not too much but just right. Honestly the person who buys a regular Civic doesn't want power, they want it to be quiet, reliable, roomy, good on gas and this car does it. And the Si is a lot better, with the more displacement Si owners will start to know what torque is.
IMO it's a better car overall but I'm not sure if it's a better Honda Civic.
good review ^^
I have that i-VTEC indicator on my 07 Type-R Civic. Nothing new there.
yeah hated it when the 06 came out the look freaked me out but i liked it over time i dont see that happening again with this one...
I agree, after about 2003, honda's designs have really taken the biggest drop.
I think the one blatantly clear argument to made made in defense of this car is price. With an entry price of under $23,000, you do get a lot of car for your money. More powerful engine than you'd find in most if not every other other car costing that much, and the (somewhat tarnished) Honda reputation for reliability.
@nigma195 Then I'm sure you know that the 3 door FN2 chassis of Type R competes in British Touring Car Championship and competes against all types of other chassis including the RSX, which both FN2 type R's consistantly place ahead of. The 3 door config has structural and handling advantages in motorsports, but in the regular driving world, the hatchback combines the advantages of the "pocket-rocket" with the utility cargo space of larger vehicles. In summary, civics are better as hatchbacks.
lol everyone mad saying 8th gen is better. It may look better. but I ran runs all night with this 8th gen which also had mods and although it was close, i still won every run. So i don't care that i don't have a sweet spoiler or w/e rims are nicer interior is nicer and runs better. And the motor has twice as much potential when modded.
@mtmyjak 8th. 9th gen is 2012 +
99-00 civic si was the best
Loving the new 2014 look gonna pick one up in a few months
I like them, at first I was kinda iffy about the way the back come down, but once u see the lowered, they look awesome, my buddy has one and its nice. Besides can't complain with the k24, gobs of trq is always great. The dash is cool as well, I like how it show's u wen ur hittn vtec. The powerband is basically a 45 degree line all the way across, if trq and hp are close in numbers, u got a good car, and this has both.
the 2006 SI just became an instant classic