7 Of The Best Buick´s V6 Classic Engines
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The Buick 3.8 is one of the best engines ever made.
I have a 3.8 series 2 in an 04 Bonneville. 205 hp and 230 lbs/ft of torque but I bet thats at least slightly underrated. So smooth and such a great powerband.
Yeah the power band is really nice
Oh it is
This video should have been titled 7 of the most abused Buick V6's ever!
This guy's done just like those engines lol
We had one 83 Cutlass 4dr 231 carb we had it 20 years grandpa got it after it over heated on freeway sezed he bought it fixed it my aunt had a Regel limited 231 2nd owner too
Yeah, couple of them sounded like they had some lug nuts bouncing around inside.
Yeah huh. Like that L37 these morons featured: sounds like it's got 3 bent pushrods and 4 collapsed lifters.
Come on. Buick Grand Nationals w/turbo V6 were bad ass. Not all clunky rattled old junkyard POS featured in this stupid video.
Who paid to produce this crap? Some slinky Ford/Chrysler/Chebby freak?
So many of these videos they are revving unloaded engines, to pretty high revs too. Not good - piston slap. I guess they don’t care
I drove my 88 Bonneville with no exaust in heavy city traffic. A cop tried to find me but I blended in. That probably wouldn't work today with all the trapezoids on the road.
My mom owns a 2002 lesabre with a 3.8L v6, very beautiful sound.
that one 3800 sound's like a woodpecker is trying to escape from the heads
Yep ur right the ones we got in nz is the aussie one rwd go hard ass I got two of them near 300km easy
Yeah if that's the best that they have wow! That was painful to listen to that engine 3800
@@robwilliams682 sounds like bad tuning, but it's the firing order, it actually results in a poor idle, but much flatter torque curve..Hey if I were doing a jeep swap from an I4, I would have this thing over a 4.2 any day...had great low down grunt, cheap as shit to fix, or replace, much better on fuel, and a better highway performer than the I6 (doesn't mind being wound out for extended periods), legendary reliability, cant really think of a better choice..My junkyard guy saved carbed ones in the mid 80's , knowing the Jeep guys love em..4.2 is the king of off road, but if you do some travelling with the thing..3.8 is a no brainer of fuel alone.. and you can beat on it endlessly ,still have some fun in the dirt , and it'll take you home every time.. they say it's gm's best engine ever.. that's a lot to say..
@@robwilliams682 Much better than Ford's 2.9 and 3.0. Those engines had a constant lifter tap and were probably the least reliable V6 engines ever built.
@@tskraj3190 I hear you I think Ford is shit! I have an 03 Silverado with a 4.3 creeping up on 400000 Miles runs like a raped ape! Never had any internal engine or transmission work done at all! I love my fucking bow tie makes me money!
The series 2 3800 L67 is rated 240hp and 280 tq, and the series 3 was 260 hp up to 2008! BEST V6 EVER, also rated Ultra low emission engine, and 30 mpg hwy!
brad chandler 2009 I thought with the lacrosse
brad chandler I get 35 mpg with mine with dual 2.5 in out straight through stainless mufflers and deleted the resonator.
I don't know why Turbo 3800s weren't included (Buick Grand National). NA and Supercharged were included, even though the NA you showed was about 5 minutes from throwing a Rod.
U must be smart asa bag of rock gn 3.8 can make a lot of power stock , I went 10,s on a stock long block 87 3,8
Buck 87 is called lc2
3800 is a modern version of the 3.8 (231). Don't have much in common.
The 3800 and 3.8L are entirely different engines.
Ya it did not sound too good that 3800 TPl.
3300s are grenades, but I stand firmly with you on the rest. I've had two 3800s, one supercharged, two 231s, one a t-type that I put the EFI and intercooler stuff from a GN on, and a 225 in a CJ5, all of which I flogged mercilessly, all of which still ran flawlessly when I sold them. Two things: why did you choose a clip of a badly rod-knocking 3800 series I to show? And also, the N/A 3800 didn't make 240 horsepower, that was the supercharged one (the one in my Regal GS made 248 to the wheels with a pulley, a throttle body, an exhaust and a tune). Great, under-appreciated motors every one. Plus my T-Type and Regal GS were both genuinely fast while being comfortable, inconspicuous, reliable, and kind of shockingly efficient (I averaged 23 mpg in the old turbo and 26 in the GS if I drove them responsibly). I even think they mostly sounded pretty good, and V6s almost always sound TERRIBLE. No replacement for a big, burly V8, but fantastic for a daily driver.
I love the 225 odd-fire V6, I've had 2 of them both in a 1970 & 1970 Arrow-glass ski boats. Bulletproof engines, great torque, could pull up 2 skiers out of the water instantly. They do have a unique sound compared to the 231 v6.
Excellent engines for early Jeeps.
Volvo also used it as a marine engine.
I have a 1965 Oldsmobile f85 with that engine. Not a real powerhouse for that size car but it actually doesn’t do all that bad!
@@OwensGarage I run a 225 Odd Fire (former sprint car engine) with Kenne Bell No.1 intake, cam... too much carburetor, MSD, fat headers, in a (titled as) 1946 'flatfender' Jeep.
Runs like a stiped ape.
If interested in more power; lose the two barrel, let her breathe through high rise, dual plane intake and fat tubes.
Add hot spark and hot cam, all properly balanced.
They're notoriously durable. They can take the increased strain without overheating or failure.
You did the series 1 dirty with that clip
Fucking right?! My series 1 has zero rod knock, and it's a 30+ year old engine, and I beat on that engine and tuned it up.
That tick on the 3800 is not a rod knock. It is a broken harmonic balancer that had the rubber inserts rotted out. You can see the accessory belt tensor pulsing with the clicks.
Bought one for 100$ cause of that 25$ bucks fixed it
Rod knock
ONE OF MY FAVORITES!!!!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
love the holden v6's
That is the Series I engine. The best of the bunch.
Too right Bro. From a Kiwi . Buick V6 all the way. Like the good old Holden Red 6. Keep going and going. Regular oil filter and oil changes are all you need to do and the occasional spark plug change. No problem.
Is there a reason the 3.8 Turbo LC2 from the GN wasn’t included?
Cool video I absolutely
Jeep Dauntless 225 - love them.
**Great idea for a TH-cam channel! Find short videos of people with trashed cars, and half destroyed motors, edit the videos together, and label it "Greatest **_________** Engines of All Time"!**
Right seems like every motor sounded horrible not smooth like every 3800 ive ever owned
@@jamescole2266 you trippin tf the first one sounded nice af
A TOTALLY AWSOME VIDEO AND A TOTALLY AWSOME MOTOR.
At the other end of the spectrum, I would suggest the 305 ci V6, and others in this series, as a tough truck stump puller.
A 305 ci is a v 8
@@shawnsecleter2453 Skip Stein refers to the GMC only 305 cu.in. V-6 offered in light duty pick-ups / suburbans /panels from 1960 to at least 1966 . I had a 1961 Suburban with the engine he refers to ...
Last 2 engines we have here in Australia in the GMh Holden commodore
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Best V6's and the 3800 sounds like someone with a hammer trying to get out?
Michael Fitzgerald that 3800 sounded like a bad rod knock, great motors, but didn't last for very long
My NA 3800s lasted a LONG time for $500 and $700 a piece.
The older ones all sound carburettor (even the single point and multipoint injected models)
U could still drive that fucker another 10k miles...for real.😳😂
@@WhistleTeets85 mine is an ecotec l36 3.8 (australia and new zealand version) it has aprox 140kmiles and has never been rebuilt has never had a gasket replaced and has always had rocker srm ticking it was used on beaches and ran a few miles on low oil and no coolant and all ive done was change the filters and fluids and the coil packs and removed the rusted thermostat since ive had the car and before i had it it sat in a barn for a few years and its still going strong (mine is the pre-2000 version so it has 197HP the later post-2000 has 204hp and our l67 has 260 with a special model with 270)
The dauntless 3.8l had 160 horsepower with a one barrel carb? That's impressive!!!
It had a Gross HP rating of 160hp with a 2bbl carb. Net HP with a 1bbl 'miser' carb would be around 90hp or so. If you stuck these in front of a 3 speed automatic, damn thing couldn't get out of its own way, it was so slow. If you advanced the timing, put a 4bbl Holley and stuck with a manual gearbox, the Dauntless was a pretty potent V6.
@@RockandrollNegro I run a 225 Odd Fire (former sprint car engine) with Kenne Bell No.1 intake, cam... too much carburetor, MSD, fat headers, in a (titled as) 1946 'flatfender' Jeep with 4 speed and Warn overdrive.
Runs like a stiped ape.
I'd like to know where I can get a set of block hugger headers for a 79 Buick 231 ?
The 225 wasn't the smoothest or quietest of Buicks engines. But it was very good on gas and quite powerful for a six. I had one in a 64 Buick Special, at speeds as high as 70 mph even with a two-speed automatic behind it I had no trouble getting 23 miles per gallon. For a six it didn't waste time getting to 60.
Great Jeep engines.
High torque, runs cool, won't stall.
My pushrod v6 sounds like the first one. It's the LS of the V6 world, it's American, made by gm, and can take one hell of a beating
I had a 231 punched with oversized pistons, and a edelbrock 4 bbl intake. People thought it was a 305.
Is that a good thing?
A V6 has always been buick's heritage.
Only since the 1960s.
The 'Valve in Head' engines built their reputation, beginning with an inline two cylinder job..
I gave a thumbs-up even-though some of the production dates and horse-power numbers were incorrect.
I due belive that you have the hp rating for the 3.8 and 3.8 SC turned around. The 3.8 SC has the most go. That 3.8 you filmed is ready to put a rod through the oil pan.😂🤣😂
yeah does
and there is no way that rod knocker even had 150 hp way it sounds
it's not the rod knocking .it's the pulley. he tried to show that in the video
The L36 series II naturally aspirated engine made 205 H.P. not 240 H.P. The L67 supercharged series II version of the L36 made 240 H.P.
Is it any of these commercial engines the one that goes with the INDY 500 Lola T 9000 series?
So smooth
I have a 3800 and it doesn't tick like the ones in the video. Are they supposed to sound like that?
Where do you find the older ones now? The carb ones not FI ?
What about Buick's big-bore 4.1 litre even-fire version in the early 1980's? The extra torque never hurt anybody. You could even order one for a Caddy to avoid their V8-6-4 stinker...
I was waiting for that one too
So this 1981 Cadillac coupe deville with the V6 is good... I should get it?
Interior is A1 and only has 74k miles on it
@@DJDISCIPLEDREW A smooth ride but not a swift one. Biggest problem right now is finding parts. Don't make it your daily driver -- even mid-80's RWD GM parts are a long day of hunting.
@@peters8758 gotcha yea I'm not worried about a fast ride.. and I will not be driving every day.. just a weekend cruzer
4:52 you show the years of a series I engine but the engine in the video is a series II 96-03.
best engines ever made, I've never seen a better list of lifter knocking, exhaust wheezing, smoke blowing engines in all my life... now the 3300 is an amazing engine, 'not the one shown it clattered like marbles in a blender', just the transmissions and cars they put them in were not.
Although a very nice engine, that 3800 needed some love and attention. Sounds like neglected oil changes has perhaps taken a toll on lifters.
Thomas Elliott, exactly! Another 200,000 miles of that and they might seriously damage the engine!
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Spun a rod bearing i think
Why did you cut the 4 barrel in half on the first engine
At 3:43, isn't that the L27 / 3.8L, VIN code L? That is, Series I, not code K (series II). Still, nice display / video. Thanks!
what about the 231 turbo?
How about the 231 ci outta an 85 LeSabre
4:08 rod knock
How do you forget VIN code 7?
Ten Second BuickGN Amen!!!
I remember one of the Buick engines had a vibration at idle. Think it was a229 normal felt like an engine skip
Magna Tron the 3300 vibrates at idle
The 225 'Odd Fire' hits at 90 and 150 degrees rather than 120-120.
3300lg7 I've been a Buick guy all my life and never seen a Buick 3.3 with remote injectors is this Australian Maybe they have some real cool stuff over there maybe a Holden 3300
Never realized that they made so many
I have a 92 Riviera with the series1 it doesn't even have EGR. Odd that EGR came back on the series 2.
Robert Bell. That's funny I have a 91 Riviera right now also. The lady bought it brand at 65 years old. She stopped driving it at 90. Her son, a friend of mine, sold it to me when she was 92. It looks close to brand new and only has 104,000 miles on it.
I think your 3800 V6 HP figures are off somewhere, as you give the Naturally Aspirated version at 240hp,then later give the Supercharged version lower HP figures of 205-225 HP. I was a Buick dealer technician when these engines were new (82-99) & the 3800 Supercharged was a high HP, low production option in LeSabre & Park Ave . Otherwise i like the video.
Unfortunately, for that poor l36, it'll knock like that for a long time. The buick v6 is one of the most durable engines out there. Why do you think AMC bought the design and put em in jeeps. Kickass. Love my lil 3300.
AMC did the exact opposite.
Kaiser had purchased the 'Fireball' V6 from Buick in 1966, manufactured and installed them in Jeep products through 1970 as the 'Dauntless'. When AMC purchased Jeep they stretched the CJ's nose to accept the AMC inline six and sold the V6 back to GM.
I run a 225 'Odd Fire' in my ol' Flatfender (titled as '46 Willys), Kenne Bell equipped, MSD, fat headers, too much carb, 4 speed with Warn overdrive... . It's the perfect engine for an early Jeep.
Alexandre Garofano definitely spanned a rod
Didn't some of these see life as half-engine, half air compressor?
Yes 👍
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That’s a lot of hp from a stock V6 from the 1960’s and early 70’s. Bad by today’s standards tho but under appreciated
No LC2?
SUGGESTION: BUICK MOTORSPORTS PARTS.
The L36 never made 240 hp, the L67 did. The L36 made 200 since it was the N/A version. The L36 also has higher compression, and weaker rods. The series 2 3800 L67 is where it’s at. Series 1 was never very good, and series 3 wasn’t around for too long.
3800 series 2 & 3 should've been on here
The original 3800 should have been too. My buddy had a '91 Regal with a Pre Series I in it that had 175k miles and blown head gaskets and it started every time and would drive anywhere. Those engines don't die.
Where were the GrandNationals and Commodores (Aussie tuned L36 OBD1 less tech more reliability and they can go for over 240000mile (estimated) 400000ks if they are taken too a mech every 6 months or 20000ks) and of treated properly they will keep going
If you change the oil and oil filter every 10k a ecotech 3.8 will do 400k easy
4:00 As someone with a pre series I 3800 this makes me cringe
The pre-3800s are great too. I know the 3800 guys knock them, but they are every but as reliable.
Who needs a Harley if you have an Odd-Fire V6?
You've heard my Jeep?
Missed the series 3
The series 3 had the weakest block of the bunch.
What! Where is the 252 cu.i 4
1 L
Tappets HT rubber assist on hydraulic system.
series 3 is the best of the best
I didn’t know anyone made a good V6.
Buick Fireball / Kaiser Dauntless 225 inch 'Odd Fire'.
The 225 'Odd Fire' Buick and the Kaiser/Jeep 'Dauntless' are the very same engine.
Don’t come knocking when these rods a knocking
Geez not a stage 2 3.8 or 4.1 turbo in the bunch. Ever hear about Buick Motorsports.
Here you go th-cam.com/video/DLdxiDcdipU/w-d-xo.html
They aren't very good at this, they left out the 252 oddfire four barrel motor.
At least the had the 3.8s in there. Most of them were destroyed though.
252 or called 4.1 L is even fire..odd fire stopped at 225 cup. Models.
@@bugnfront Buick Skyhawks had an odd fire 231.
Yeah what about the GMC 1960s late sixties V6 350 in³ kicks butt
My 2000 park avenue 3800 540000 miles just won't die, I even ran it with no oil for over a year please help its 2022 and it's still alive I just wants a new Buick bad at this rate the 3800 will out last me.🥺
Literally put the l67 and the l36 horsepowers opposite and you put a supercharged clip for the na one
@3:38 sounds like it's about to throw a rod
Commodore v6 fwd rear mount sports 2 seater .
Had one in 1978. Pitiful 105 hp. Could not pass anybody unless I had a mile of road.
I always advised my buddies to spring for the optional V8 and forget about the 231 V6. None of the GM V6 engines made it past 70,000 without a rod knock and sounded like the engine at 3:50
Early ones yes mid 80’s on were great
nice try, but you are full of it.
If it's a odd fire they dont sound pleasant ever.
But that's kinda what the nature of a odd fire is even tho they last forever
SUGGESTION: RETRO RETURN.
L36 is actually 205hp and supercharged L67 are 240hp. No GN.
3.8 engine series 3 is best engine
Agreed. 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix Gt here
I feel insulted that all of the 3.8L engines had ticking from them. I have never have a tick or know on a 3.8L
John Killright Right my series 1 runs like new, these examples are a disgrace to this engine.
John Killright my pre series I (in my 89 Reatta) runs perfect. Sounds amazing. Never had an issue. The example in the video must have been abused to shit!
Hamilton Dashcammer All original. Including the oil!
John Killright mine has 400000 sounds and runs like new the 3.8 series 3
I had a 2000 Bonneville ssei with 3.8 sc series 2 and I think it was rated at 265hp & 285tq. Not a 100%, so don't quote me on it. And I think the na version was only about 30hp/tq less.
240HP & 260TQ.
Alfa romeo ??
The 3.8 is a great v6 however the one in the video sounded like ass !
No power unless power adder is added
Yikes the 3.8 is about to seize
That 3800 TPI did not sound too good
holy what a damn fail ... the LC2 didnt make the list as number 2 and the Buick Stage 2 Indy blocks didnt make number 1
Hp is off. Series II Supercharged is 240hp TQ 280. Non supercharged 200hp TQ 225. Series III 205hp TQ 230. Supercharged 260hp TQ 280. Series I 170hp TQ 210. Supercharged 225hp TQ 260. Pre-Series I 165HP TQ 210.
Lol video says 7 best v6 engines. Shows 3 different engines multiple times then shows one that has at least 2 rod knocks. BTW that knocking engine series never made 240hp. They only made that supercharged.
No 3.0 V6 the one they built back in 1989 roughly the 3800 you had had a rod knock and where the hell are The Supercharged V6 is this post is a joke
Love the 3300. Open the system up and give some air to breath and get rid of nasty ass cat in the exahaust and give it a small cherry bomb or a rice cooker. I. I have smoked alot of v8 that was supposed to be bad and hadsome say they know better than to try . what alot of people dont realize that's a little tourqe monster. It's making more torque than hp. And one tough little engine .. Ive had a few well over 4hundred thousand on the engine and dog the he'll out of them .
I've heard the chole is in the valve covers. Do you know if buying aftermarket OEM covers will help it breathe, or if the L36 SII covers will fit? Not looking for huge power, just want it to breathe a little better.
looks nail head.
There basically all the same engine.
The 1 gallon v6 was shit, they did last for a while but output was piss poor.
Why’d you show a 3800 that was running like shit lol
My series 1 sounds like the 3300 in this video
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