Absolute Best 5 Muscle Car Engines of the 1960s
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There were so many great engines in the '60s it is hard to pick just 5.
The Chrysler wedges were great; they were tough and made lots of torque and power. The cross-ram 413, 426 Max wedge, even the old 383s were a lot of fun. The small block 340 was an awesome engine with 4 bbl or 6 bbl induction. And, of course, the Elephant of all engines.
Chevy had a number of engines too. The LT1 350. The high horsepower 327s, coming in 350, 365 and 375hp; you can just hear the big cam idle. The various 396s and of course the LS 454s.
Pontiac was right up there with the 455 SD, the early 389 Tri-power, the 326 and even the overhead cam 250 six. HO series, Ram Air series, SD series engines were all great engines.
Olds had their share too. Start with the 330 in the first 442. The 350 w-31 and 455 w-30. The Tornado 425.
Buick wasn't thought of as performance oriented, but made some great performance engines. The 445, 430 and 455 engines were tough and once they started the Stage 1 series, they really made people pay attention. Their small blocks were no slouches either, with the 340 and 350s.
And of course, the most overlooked company, Rambler/AMC. In the mid 60s they had their own 327 that had reasonable performance, but once they changed to the 290/343/390 and then the 304/360/390/401, they really livened things up. Cars like the 390 AMX, the 390 SC/Rambler or Scrambler Rambler as it was nicknamed, and the 390 Rebel Machine. (supposed to be '69, but first produced in 1970)
And as we saw, the Fords had a number of great engines. The 289s, 390, 427 with all the different heads, 428 Police Interceptor, CJ, SCJ, 429, 351 Windsor (which was never really taken to its potential), 302 Boss, 406 and 352.
There were so many great engines, I am sure I missed some. The only question is, which company and engine is your favourite?
I had a Rambler Ambassador station wagon with a 401. I stripped all the smog stuff off and my lead foot wife drove it. She had a lot of fun blowing the doors off young punks who weren't looking out for a woman in a station wagon with two kids in the back.
Chevy 409
Dodge 273 commando, the 440 6 pack
Just a couple more I wanted to add
The street version of the Boss 429 was actually kind of a dog unless you ditched the smog pump and added a bigger carburetor, headers, and a more radical camshaft. Ford really de-tuned the Boss9 quite a bit from the factory. The Boss 302 definitely is not top 5 all time among muscle car engines...but it definitely is top 5 all time among small block muscle car engines though. And the Chevy ZL1 427 is an extremely limited production race engine like the L88 427...not really a street engine. Here's my top 5 all time muscle car street engines but not necessarily in this order:
1. Chrysler 426 Street Hemi(1966-71)
2. Ford R-Code 427 Side Oiler(1965-67)
3. Chevy LS6 454(1970)
4. Pontiac 455 Super Duty(1973-74)
5. Chrysler 440 6 BBL/Six Pack(1969-71)
I would've added the Buick 455 Stage 1(1970) with its 510 lb/ft torque rating but didn't only because that engine only used 2 bolt mains and was known for cracking engine blocks in the lifter valleys under high RPM abuse because of very thinwall casting and it was well known for oiling problems too. I also had a hard time excluding the Chevy L78 396 and L72 427 and Pontiac 400 Ram Air IV too
Here's my top 5 small block muscle car engines but not necessarily in this order:
1. Chevy LT1 350(1970)
2. Chrysler 340 6 BBL/Six Pack(1970)
3. Ford BOSS 351(1971)
4. Chevy 302(1967-69)
5. Ford BOSS 302(1969-70)
I had a hard time leaving the Chevy L79 327 and Ford K-Code 289 off the list too
One thing: L88
the L-88 was not as limited as the ZL-1, but I see your point. The r code 427 was not a high production engine either. I am pretty sure the Chevy 327 was always a 2 bolt main engine, even the fuelie with solid lifters. Still you have some great engines selected and the almost made it engines were pretty damned good too. The youth of today wasting time on vidiot games have no earthly idea what life was like hearing the crackle of uncapped high compression hot cammed engines with headers, was like. Pathetic. You must have known!
The Boss 429 does much better if it is stroked also. The big valves like more cubic inches more.
@@chrisdaigle5410 a good potential engine just never got it from the factory
I absolutely 100% agree with your lists. Those would be EXACTLY the same list in the same order I would pick both big and small block. Great minds think alike i guess
289,301,302,305,318,350,351,425,426,427,455...etc etc etc I missed a few but all were great in my days.
I'm a Ford man, but where is the 327? I have no problem with the Boss 302, but come on the 327 was one bad a_ _ small block.
I had a 65 Corvette 327/365 four speed with 4:11 rear end from the factory. Those solid lifters and second gear were phenomenal. I was a 0-80 hot rodder and off the line it was untouchable by many big block cars from 0-60 back then. Like a jack rabbit off the line.
My best friend in high school had 66 Nova with a 327. Off the line nothing could stay up with him. I was with him when a man with a 383 magnum Road Runner said he would smoke us. He only saw the back of that Nova as it got smaller and smaller. lol
Agreed. I also wondered where the ZZ302 from GM is. I love old school ford and GM...but this is far from a "best list" overall
@@1LOCKNLOAD no duh small block ver a big block small block wines up faster.
No Sohc 427?? Thats one of Fords meanest V8's ever
They had to leave room in the top 5 for GM & Chrysler. :)
You mean one of the meanest V8's ever.
@@duradim1 The Ford SOHC was, for its intended purpose, a failed design. It was created to defeat the Chrysler Hemi in NASCAR events. It had some wins, but overall it failed to do so & was never installed in a production, street legal car. That it was a good & powerful engine can not be denied, but the production Chrysler Hemi remained the engine to beat both on the track & the drag strip, & it WAS available in a variety of production street legal models for a number of years.
Which Muscle Car did the Cammer come out in,Derrick?
@@KB10GL: You are totally wrong.
The SOHC NEVER had a victory at NASCAR.
When the SOHC showed up at Daytona in 1964 and ran almost 20 mph faster than the race Hemis. Chrysler went right to NASCAR and told them if the SOHC was able to compete, they were going home.
NASCAR immediately banned the SOHC.
NO VICTORIES for SOHC because they were not allowed to race.
The race Hemi should have also been banned because ZERO were sold in 1964, and the street Hemi did not come out for two more years, 1966.
The only part of the SOHC design that failed is Ford DID NOT have NASCAR in there back pocket.
You totally left out Pontiac 400 and 455 cid. They were vicious
fuk pontiac... the OLDs 455 Rocket was twice the motor any pontirag were and I'm a Ford guy... the Rocket 455 for 1968. was rated the same HP as the 69 429 Thunder jet but here is one for ya.. Ford under rated it for insurance reasons for the customers .. my 1968 Tbird 429 when it had 122k miles on it dyno'd at just over 400hp.. and my 4door Tbird would eat pontiac Trans AMs for lunch.. most of the time I didn't even have to use passing gear...
A 428 CJ in C/SA in a Mustang can lay down 10.5 1/4 mile times even now and I have been in one of the engines and it is stock blueprints Ford, simple as dirt. Put that on a midnight street run and it will stun you what a 50 year old engine with a blueprint little roller can do, a stock engine that can carry the front wheels 60 ft. Amazing and I helped put it together, legit and spooky as hell! The FE punches way above its weight even now. A guy won EMC with a 400 ci 390 with 64 390 heads and made 596 hp on pump gas. I miss the 60s/70s
That was not a ZL-1 motor it was a tri power 427 out of a vette the ZL-1 was all aluminum even the water pump
So much incorrect information in this video. Like the 427 side oiler being developed for the Shelby Cobra. The 427 side oiler was a engine developed through trial and error for nascar racing . And the Boss 302 having tunnel port Cleveland style heads is a new one to me. My 69 Boss 302 certainly doesn't have tunnel port Cleveland style heads. It does have heads quite similar to 351 Cleveland heads though.
Gotta love those early ford engines!!!
The Ford 427 SOHC engine should be at the top of every list.
What for.....blowing up?...Apparently they did THAT very well
No it shouldn't
The video is about "Muscle Car Engines" not Race Car Engines.
The Ford SOHC was created to compete against [& beat] the Chrysler Hemi in NASCAR events. It failed in this endeavour completely. When Bill LaFrance told Chrysler & Ford that he needed to be able to buy either of these engines in a production car off a dealers showroom floor for legal street use or they would not be allowed to use them in NASCAR competition, both manufacturers had a choice. So Chrysler made the Hemi available in a variety of models while Ford tucked its corporate tail between its legs & waved the white flag. The SOHC engine would be available as a race car engine only as a separate purchase item.
It was NEVER installed in a "Muscle" car that the public could buy & legally drive on the street, which is why it shouldn't be, & wasn't, included in this video.
Oh yeah, it's my understanding that the Chrysler Hemi is still available as a crate motor in [I believe] three displacements more than 50 years after it was released to the public in a passenger car. That's how good it is. I don't believe that I can buy even factory supplied spare parts for the Ford SOHC these days, let alone a new crate engine.
Which Muscle car did the Cammer come out in?....It was a race only engine
@@68bobba2: Well, to be fair, the SOHC made 200 more HP than the hemi. Not really in the same league.
@@turbojetpowered8299: I just looked up the factory hp on the race hemi (425) NHRA has refactored it at (505) the SOHC engine with 2 fours was (645) so if you use factory numbers, (220) more for the SOHC. The NHRA numbers are a little closer (140) more for the SOHC.
Besides the obvious hp difference, MOPAR refused to race against them.
A different league.
BB Chevy Engine wasn't a ZL1 Engine, which is 427ci Aluminum Block / Heads. The engine in the Video is an L71/89 427ci/435hp available only in 67-69 Corvette. OEM L71 had Rectangular Port Cast Iron heads. That engine had the Optional Aluminum closed chamber heads(#3919842) which gives it the L71/89 desigination. Triangular Aircleaner is a give away for the Tripower Carburation which used three Holley 2300 series 2bbl Carbs (also used on L68 BB) ZL1 Engine used a single Holley List 4296 850cfm DPer on a highrise open plenum aluminum intake #3933198 (same as L88)... ZL1 Engine available only in 1969 as an RPO Corvette engine option (2 made) and as a COPO 9560 Camaro ZL1 (69 made) Engine in Video was quite rare as the Aluminum head option was quite expensive ...
The engine that is shown and called a Boss 302 is not a Boss 302 ether it is just a regular 302 engine with a set of M/T Aluminum Valve covers. A Boss 302 has Cleveland heads with much larger heads and valve covers!
There's nothing like American muscle
My pic is the 427 sideoiler ..Thats all ya need to win
no doubt whether there's a lot of four guys on here you got a lot of Chevy pieces of s*** Hillary voters on here you have a great night buddy
hey there Tim this is JJ you're absolutely right what a great motor truly a legendary motor for as I'm concerned the only Ford motor that wasn't any good was the 4 cylinder hell in even there flathead motor was astounding Ford's day so all these Chevrolet guys out there there are a joke or actually laughable the 428 and the 429 all three of those move Motors were true greatness have a great day and you take care buddy
, no doubt Tim you're 100% correct along with the 428 and the 429 how some people would even throw in the 460 interceptor have a great night buddy take care
i still think its crazy how on the intake port on a Boss 429 is so large, you can fit a beer can in it, and the exhaust port was about the same size....a monster of a motor. I am an avid fan of Fords BBs, as my 1966 F100 has the 352, no matter what displacement, the FEs just simply run forever. The Y block design was a stroke of genius, and made those motors basically indestructible, can handle all the power you want, with no fear of blowing up.
@@josephtaverna8167 chevy is such a joke mustang owners run them instead of ford engines in their 'stangs.
why your ford go so fast?
cause it has a chevy under the hood, duh.
61 Falcon 144 six , 0 to 60 28 seconds , totally badass.
If you had the two speed automatic the time would be 45 seconds.
Never lost a race in my 66 olds 442 racing all these production engines. That 400 would scream.
5:28 can't beat the sound of a Hemi!
427 side oiler over the 427 SOHC? Dont get me wrong, I got a side oiler and its a BAAD engine, but the SOHC makes it look like its carrying an anchor.
The 427 SOHC was never a production engine
The Boss 351 was the engine that the Boss 302 should have been. Too bad Ford dragged their feet and didn't release it until 1971 and the Muscle Car party was over by then. Cubic inch for cubic inch, it was the best engine of the whole era.
Yes totally agree the Boss 351 Was Ford's Baddest Small Block (Cleveland)
Give me a gas guzzling, environmentally unfriendly, ball tearing V8, over a turbo rice grinder, any day of the week.
what if the rice grinder gets better power than your V8 and is itself a V8
Agreed, i am officially on this planet to leave the largest carbon footprint i can just to piss off the left. GO TRUMP
sir loin alot .HAHAHA .Amen
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Great engines have been made all over the planet. Seems a shame to put all of them down just because they weren't made here in the US.
In 1965 Chevrolet 327 kicked out 365 horse with a single carburetor. Stock horsepower per cube is up there!
I was going to make a brief comment, but after looking at all the pointed comments I changed my mind.
1st - Thanks for the video. It’s not perfect and considering many of the comments it may be a good idea to make another more comprehensive video.
I was a Ford guy, bought a 70 Boss 302 in 72. Same color, medium metallic blue, as the 69 in the video.
Even though favoring Ford I really appreciate and admire so many engines from GM, Chrysler and even American Motors.
2nd - The Boss 302 was not a tunnel port. Ford did prototype a 302 tunnel port for 68, but it never went into production. It was even listed in the early 68 Mustang sales brochure.
3rd - Even though the small block Chevys were powerful and cheap to hot rod, the poor little Ford 289 is forgotten, even though that was the engine in Carroll Shelby’s world championship AC Cobra coupes.
4th - There is history and interesting stories behind many of the engines mentioned by everyone else. If someone wants to make those videos . . .
The very first motor they show is the best motor No Doubt
Definitely needed the 327 on this list. My dad had 1968 c20 with a 4 speed and a vette 327 on doublehump heads, 4 barrel, stock ram horn headers into true duals with cherry bomb glasspacks. Said he got into it with a camero on his way home, camero passed him off first and second but once he hit 3 it was all over for the camero. The dudes in the camero followed him home and asked to see whats under the hood. One of his best friend had a 68 c20 with a 327 and a 3 speed colum shift. Said he had it to 120 and he was only mashed a 3rd of the way into the floor. I'm currently building a 69 c20. Its getting a sbc 350 4 bolt main, thumper cam(ill determine which one I want once I get the heads flow tested), 1.94 camelhump heads, victor junior high rise intake, holley 750 double pumper, hooked competition headers into true dual with either Flowmaster super 10, or cherry bombs. I'm swapping the 700r4( I put that in temporarily because my th400 has shot clutch packs. Only works on reverse and that 2 mph at 5500rpm🤣) anyways, im swapping it for a sm465 equipped with a gear vendors overdrive. I'm converting my diff to posi and keeping the same ratio which is 3.54/1. I'm here cause I'm looking at different motors to eventually swap. My ranger might get the 302.
Lots of great motors. Mouse motors won a bunch of light to light races. Oval port Pontiacs? The 400 inch Olds from 65-67 were great too.
The 302 shown was a standard 302 (inline head) not boss (Cleveland head)
Windsor head, not Cleveland. Good eyes!
I just love how at idle big block Fords sound like tractors. I love the 460 cid in my 92, F-250!
Sorrist MTR I ever owned was a 460 Ford engine and I swore I would never own another and I was in my 20Swhen I own the first I am now 63 years old and I have never had another one!?!!!!!
How about the L78 396.which produced well over 375 horse which it was rated..
But actually put out over 425 horse.
All of these are great engines and I'm certain everyone that comes here has a different list of engines that *should* have made the top 5 that didn't. Perhaps there should be a different list of engines that were and remain reasonably attainable for the ordinary driver/mechanic without requiring a second mortgage.
I had a 1966 Marauder engine in a hopped up, no accessories station wagon. High compression and valve relief but my dad always put regular in it so once a year when he owned it I had to take the heads off and that was not easy.
You forgot the Chevy 302, Ford didn't have the only 302 on the block. The Chevy version had taller deck, longer rods and a vert rev happy nature to it. My dads friend built a home made version, using a 327 small journal block and a 283 crank. Everything else was factory 302, Pistons, heads cam and intake, it'd consistently peg an 8k RPM tack with no problems. He put this engine in a 72 Vega, with a power-glide and ruled the streets around Lenawee county Michigan for years
Don't forget the 440; 426 wedge and 409, dude! Also the 428 CJ and SCJ, dude!!
And the 425 nailhead. don't forget that
Bought an 'R' code 1969 SCJ Mach 1 in Berkeley, California for $4K in 1985. Orig black jade gold stripe. Top parts of the shaker assembly were missing so I bought OEM replacements from Perogie NJ. C-6 a/t A funny car type monster. 850 Holley mechanical advance, curl hopped from standing start with a 3:91 Detroit locker. Made that 'clunk' when going slow and pulling a slow u turn. $100,000 is what some want now.
340 chryser to
This makes me feel young again. Hou-Ra !
The 426 Hemi may have been held off the market until 1966 but Chrysler sold engines with hemispheric combustion chambers as far back as 1951. They were then known as Chrysler Fire Power, De Soto Firedome, and Dodge Red Ram engines.
I had a 67 GTO I rebuilt from a junkyard in 1971. It was in great shape, the engine was blown and cost me $250. When finished about 4 months later this was its config: 389CI with 3/4 cam w/ twin Rochester 4 bbl, Munsey H/D 4 speed with speed shifter, Twin Golden Goose exhaust, L50 rear, L70 front tires, Monroe Air Shocks, and a bunch of other mechanical stuff I cannot remember after half a century. The car got less than 6 miles per gallon but who cared when you could by 4 gallons for a dollar in Tampa. I could boil rubber in 1st, and if not careful, 2nd and 3rd could cause the car to drift a bit. 4th would make the tires bark. I won many 1/4 mile races with it. I sold it the summer before the famous energy crisis of 73. Lucky me.
Only one engine chosen for the basis of top fuel cars to this day. The 426 Hemi was the only engine that could make the power and not explode, it will always be the King.
Just beautiful
If you're gonna claim you're showing a ZL1, show a ZL1. If anything that could've been an L88. Don't know where you get the 376 HP from, the 430 HP rating was to keep insurance companies at bay as the ZL1 was truly an all out race engine. I've seen dyno runs on the ZL1 pushing 500-550 HP gross.
The engine running on a stand may have been a 427, but it is not a ZL-1. A ZL-1 is a single four barrel.
Tom Worthington I agree it was an L88 which was a great engine but it wasn't a ZL-1
An L88 427/430 (solid lifters, 12.5:1 compression) is a single four barrel, as well.
The 427/400 (hydraulic lifters, 10:1 compression) and the 427/435 (solid lifter cam, 11:1 compression) were the engines fitted with three 2bbl carburetors.
427 I'll put it up against any junk General Motors and that's including the 455 that all you bowtie guys brag about a 428 429 all great Motors
427 I'll put it up against any junk General Motors and that's including the 455 that all you bowtie guys brag about a 428 429 all great Motors
Missed a few, 421 SuperDuty, Mopar wedges including the 340's. 427 Ford Cammers. Not a SB Chevy fan, but the last year 327 fuelies and Z28 301's were strong runners.
formerice you mean chevy Z28 302 ???? never saw 301
@@martinrivera3230 probably a typo, but the Ford cammer saw very little action, because of such low production numbers, and being banned by NASCAR. If and that is a big IF, it would have smoked anything else listed here, at least naturally aspirated. The 421 SD, was Pontiacs last serious race engine, put into production. The bottom end and valve train seemed to be able to handle high revs for extended periods of time. Pontiac did make some awesome street engines afterwards though. Pontiac had a 303 all out tunnel ported hemi head, in development, tested but never released for production or racing. The 9000 redline would have required some unusual warranties, and insurance premiums. The heads supposedly flowed better than the 426 Chrysler Hemi. Not streetable. Driving around, with the rpm range above 4500, to get any torque on the street was, pardon the pun, a no starter.
I meant to say up here, the 428CJ in a Mustang or Torino was a workin mans ride. I have seen a 400 ci 390 knock down 596 hp at EMC on pump gas. My .O20 over 390 with 64 model heads I ported myself dynos at 505hp and 466 ft lbs on 93 octane. I built this engine in 1999 and it is still set to stun. Ford delivered on the 428 CJ, but you could build your own 390 and really stink up the place. Lol.
Nothing wrong with any of these engines, but...there's no "absolute best" engine.
Depends on what you're gauging, what you're looking for.
You are so correct. Hemi in a straight line 1/4 mile, and super speedways. Too bad the SOHC 427 was banned by NASCAR and 385 , banned by NHRA. The Chevrolet big block, especially in the CAN AM configurations, and R code Ford 427 were the best in road racing. The Boss 302 and 302 Z-28 were awesome in the Trans Am class. Street light to street light, had Pontiac Ram Air 4, 421 SD, and the 455 SD, Olds 455 W-30, and the Buick 455 Stage 1, Chrysler 440 Magnum, Chevy LS-6 454.
How about the engine with the highest torque available for the next 20 years or so??? The Buick 455 Stage 1 TORQUE MONSTER!!!!
the 2nd eng. shown ZL1, WAS NOT A ZL1 MOTOR,
i owned a 1967 comet with the 427 engine and 4 speed.after i sold that car i bought a 1969 ranchero with the 428 cobra jet engine.i swapped the cobra jet engine for another 427 engine.this was a killer car on the street but i could not race it with out a scatter shield at our local drag strip.
Although it was a 1970 model, or it would obviously been on this list, LS6 is the King of the Muscle Car Engines. Only available in the Chevelle and given the size and weight of that car, imagine what a lighter car like a Camaro, Nova or Corvette equipped with an LS6 under the hood would have been capable of.
Where is the 427 SOHC FORD ENGINE ?
That engine was never installed in one single production car
What beauties, I love women but muscle cars evoke more emotions from me. I can proudly cry tears of joy as a man.
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The Boss 429 gets a lot of attention, but it was an engine designed for NASCAR and successfully used in Torinos and Cyclones. Ford dropped it in the Mustang so it would qualify for use in NASCAR. The Mustang version was detuned plus it was a helluva a lot of weight for that car , so it actually was not a very good performer. Yeah, it's the coolest looking, but not a "top" muscle car engine. Ford's 289 Hi-Po was a totally bullet proof reliable street & track performer (just ask Carroll Shelby) the 427's and 428CJ may also qualify. My personal vote goes to the 351 Cleveland (a baby Boss 429) 'cause I drove the crap out of my '70 Mach 1 with that one, and I won a lot of races on the street and on the dragstrip.
Good performance and would take a bearing and keep running, and was economical enough us little guys could afford. Chevy 327 cid.
Ron Fullerton 100% with you, this is real facts
I'm a huge fan of FORD racing and owner of a 1968 428 Cobra Jet Mustang but that original Chrysler 426 Hemi sounds like a fire breathing dragon
Volumetric flow..only the Hemi! Spark plug through the valve cover very easy to spot. It wins the drag races it is in the Guiness book of records, 1967 Richard petty won 27 of 33 races, it was untouchable. nascar had to do something. Now Nhra drag cars are getting 8,000 +hp with blown nitro. volumetric flow says it all.
No sir...11,000 HP
Wasn't the Mercury 410 really powerful motor if you modded it properly?
A buddy of mine had one. He thought it was a 390. When it was torn down for a refurbishing, the machinist said there was something odd about the stroke measurement. It wasn't what it was supposed to be for a 390. It turns out that FORD basically did a factory stroker with the 390 by putting a different crank in it. They were strong on the bottom end with really good midrange. Great power for moving a two and a half ton car. Only available in Mercury.
Comments are very enjoyable reading, just as in religion and politics. Many car freaks are totally committed to one brand, and that line of thinking yields many good emotional conversations to those of us sitting on sidelines.
Hawgslayer, you are right liking all brands, of old cars that is. The current designs have far too much sameness in cars now. The old ones could be identified half a mile away
The boss 302 you pictured was not actually a boss but could have been a tunnel port 302 used in the 1968 trans am Mustangs.
@ 2:25
The 302 Tunnel Port (which had the described Tunnel Port heads) was NOT the Boss 302, which -- as ALMOST correctly noted -- used heads almost identical to the 335-series ("Cleveland") "4V" heads (the difference was water passages and valve sizes).
As there was no RPO Tunnel Port 302, the nominal Trans-Am Racing Series Mustangs generally competed as Boss 302 CARS for marketing purposes -- which was the same thing the other makes were doing: the race car started as a body-in-white.
@ 3:30
The 427FE wasn't finicky on the street; rather, (a) Ford had too many versions of it to support: there was the "low riser," the "medium riser," the "high riser," the "tunnel port" and the SOHC (the latter pair being dealer-level and parts program options).
Of the basic trio, different oiling schemes existed, etc.: getting a junkyard 427 is like buying jewelry: if you know what you're doing, you can get a great deal; if you aren't an expert, you can lose your proverbial butt. From a production/profit perspective, the 428 provided 7-liter displacement (an important marketing segment) for much less than the cost of the 427.
At 2:03 That was a good Launch
the very first motor there's your winner no doubt about it no doubt that's the one man
Good list, but I would have replaced the 302 with the 396.
Sub contractor for the Boss 429 was Car Craft. Shock towers moved out wards and other modifications were needed to get that elephant in the engine bay. Too bad the 429 cams and carbs had to be modified down to make the motor tractable for the street which killed the potential horse power those huge intake ports could have made. You could almost put your fist in them.
It was actually Kar Kraft. Car Craft is a magazine. And it wasn't the carb or cam that limited the B429, it was the exhaust manifolds and rev limiter.
What about the 389 tri-power? Or the 396 and 454? This video needs expansion
What about Oldsmobile's 400 with a w-30 package? Rated at 365hp...more like 380. Dr Old's answer to the 67 vette 427 with 2 four barrel carbs was a a single 4 barrel carb on a 400 with ram air. Olds won.
Richard Courter maybe one race, and maybe you were the only one there watching it, lol
What order code had a 427 2x4bbl? The W-30, had 455 CID, if I am wrong do correct me. The Olds W-31 350, might have been the best 350 CID in the 60s.
Where exactly do you get these inaccurate figures from?
If we're talking the best racing street/track muscle car engine and you could only pick one it is not debatable. Chrysler 426 dual quad hemi. It changed performance forever. By far the single most dominant race engine of all time, it was so good in the 64-65 seasons, it made a mockery of the competition, Nascar wanted to ban it because Ford and GM claimed it a was a hand built custom race motor, So Chrysler released the minimum amount to the public starting in the 1966 season to make it a "production" engine available to all, at the time I believe it was 2 per every Plymouth and dodge dealership. Aka (homologation). But no engine ever came close to the winning record of the hemì. The earlier models of the 413 and 426 max wedges were quite good too, and Def more rare and valuable today....... now if we're talking small blocks I'd have to say the Chrysler 340 was a fire breathing monster, capable of taking down many big blocks...... just my opinion
1) Boss9 came with valve springs that limited Rpms to about 5000. Having to modify the lightest platform in 1969 was another issue. You couldn't swap the straight 6 out and a Biss9 into your 65 Mustang over the weekend. Same with a Cuda or Challenger. Chevy and Pontiac were no problem.
2) the engine you show for the ZL1 is not. ZL1s never had a Tri Power set up and they were not a cast block.
3) Boss2s were equipped with specialty heads?? to try and catch the Z28s which used across the line parts which were already available. Aside from a piston with a different pin height and 2 different intakes, the Z28 was not the engineering hassle that the Boss was.
Best 4 American engines of the 60s & 70s with potential to go far beyond what was offered with the least effort? Ford Cammer (not offered in a car), Boss9, Chrysler Hemi, Pontiac RA V (not offered in a car). The last one is hard to call since the offerings of tunnel port/hemispherical chambers falls off from there.Buick Stage II, but there were not many of those around.
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That's nice about the Chevy ZL1 but what you picture running is not a ZL1. That engine has three deuces on it.
1:10 its my heaven.
Awe , you forgot the Dodge slant six , the leaning tower of power! And the blue boss 302 mustang in the video looks like a really nice car.
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BOSS 302 was not a tunnel-port head. It replaced the tunnel-port 302 engines in Trans-Am . BOSS 302 were standard 351C 4v heads in 69 and 2v heads in 1970 and the SBF in the video is not a BOSS 302 either. Those are a standard Winsor head design. 427 Ford was a street engine. Cobra, Fairlane, Galaxie, even a milder 390hp 427 in the Merc Cougar. Just never in a Mustang.
FORD! 427 side oiler!
o.k. guys don't get your panties in a bunch! cant we all be thank full for all these the competition was great! the small block chevy was designed by duntoff in 53 when he worked for FORD. They respected him so much they let him go to GM with it cause they didn't have thier thin wall casting down well enough to do the design justus!!!!!
Where's the Mopar, Guys? 383, 440, 396, 340 360! ,,,, C'mon! These engines STOCK put out great HP...
A mopar 396? Thought the 396 was a Chevy
Chrysler had a 400
Your pictured 302 is NOT a Boss and a Boss 302 did NOT have tunnel port heads. FORD made a tunnel port 302 that was for Trans-Am racing and had very little success with it. The Boss 302 is the engine that replaced the tunnel port! FORD also made a 3 valve small block called the Calliope, but never raced it or sold it.
Am here for the loud noise .....not for information
Chrysler has all the records of the era.
boss 429 is number 1
How'd u leave out 383 and 440 Chrysler's most had forged cranks and rods
Totally missed the 340 and 440 wedge motors. Chrysler demolished ford and chevy in the 60s and still continue to do so today.
Matthew Shipp sorry kid, that's in your drug induced dreams,
You are correct on the 1/4 straight line strip, and the super speedways, with a lot of help by banning the Ford 385, by NHRA, and the 427 SOHC by NASCAR. On the street, which this discussion seemed to be initially directed toward, and road racing, you would be completely wrong. On the street, there were many top flight engine combinations that were very potent, Including Olds, Pontiac, Buick, Fords, and Chevys, but not excluding Chrysler. Road racing was dominated by Ford and Chevy.
I mean all the brands you showcased...besides the hemi....most people never saw many..oh the 302 boss...
The Boss 302 was not a Tunnel Port design like the Ford 427 Tunnel Port, the Boss 302 had canted valves just like the 351 Cleveland. Ford did make a prototype 302 Tunnel Port, but Ford abandoned it in favor of the Boss 302.
No ones going to mention the excellent stabilization edit on the boss 302 video? 🤣
Nice video would like to be able to read the fine print that was in the video
Sound so sweet. ever time i near a Nissan 6v i get nauseous .
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The Boss 429 in factory stock trim was a disappointment. On the street the 428 Cobra jet was faster. The Boss combined large, torque killing ports with a mismatched camshaft. This engine needed more cam and steep gears to perform. It was a race motor, pure and simple.
soaringtractor the truth may be and not ford propaganda
The cam was too tame, and the carb was smallish but it was faster than a 428 CJ. Those large port hurt low end torque, you don't use low end torque while racing and acceleration is all about HP.
They were neither as fast nor as powerful as they SHOULD HAVE BEEN. Ford built an underachiever for the street.
Yeah, a bigger cam, and the carb off the tiny Boss 302; plus, do a forged 460ci crank, and better intake and exhaust set up. That combo would have made the BOSS 460 the king, undisputed, of the first muscle car era; easily making 500+ horses !!
Now you're talking. By the way, I recall reading that Pro Stock racers like Bob Glidden actually filled the ports a bit to reduce their size/volume to increase air/fuel mix velocity. I wonder if Ford intentionally limited the power the Boss put out. One reason besides NASCAR rules for dropping the SOHC "Cammer" was Ford was reluctant to unleash a 650 HP monster on the streets.
What the hell where is small block chevy make be the best motor if all time 283 302 327 350 or 400 all good one
67 68 69 L88 Corvettes for Monsters I had a 69 427 tripower for 35 horse they under rated horsepower they are more going towards like 500 but the L88 with a four-barrel was rated at 4:30 and it was over like 5:50
I noticed the Chevrolet and Mopar did their run next to a wall creating the illusion that they are going faster than the Fords. That's typical of the Chevrolets.
@tmodel8681 :D you made my day, I like jokes like this
Big mistake you left out the Ford SOHC 427 one of the best.
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Boss9 429 semi hemi
I liked that!!!
Where's the Cammer?
289 HIPO
no ford sohc 427?
The Sideoiler is a SOHC 427
It was also called a Cammer
@@warnerhudson6393 side oiler was a pushrod engine not an OHC....which was different from the "Cammer", which was derived from the over head cam...the SOHC 427 "Cammer" was never installed in anything
ZL1 did not have a triangle shaped valve cover ! Only tri power engines did . The L89 (aluminum head) and L71 iron head. Bolth @ 435 hp. Really wish people would check info first. Getting really old with incorrect info !
Verl Rigby what do you expect from a Ford guy. He knows nothing else.... LOL
That was not a Boss 302 on the stand, just a regular windsor headed 302
spread the writing along the bottom of the page,with less lines, see more of the video...........
FE man all the way here...427 SOHC is the baddest of the bunch!!
The Ford 427 SOHC was so fast that Chrysler Corporation threatened to pull out of Nascar unless they banned the motor. The 427 SOHC, with 650hp was the top of the heap of all 60's engines. Its a pity that Ford never got around to installing them in their cars, because of Nascar's decision to ban them.
Still, just under 1000 of them were sold over the spare parts counters at the Ford dealerships. Naturally, most were used very successfully in racing.
David Jury-How did they know the Cammer was so fast if it never raced in Nascar?...The mystery fastest lap at Daytona?(Funny thing is no one seems to know the ACTUAL speed,or who was driving)
Chrysler only withdrew it's factory cars AFTER Nascar banned the Hemi AND the Cammer(at the same time),at the end of the 64 season.
Ford had no intention of putting the Cammer in production cars...It was a race engine.
Research Nascar history,instead of listening to Ford folklore
Not true. Bill France put the stop to ALL specialty engines after the 1964 season (which targeted Chevy's "mystery motor", Chrysler's "Hemi" and Ford's "Cammer") and stated that only production line engines (available to the public) may be used in NASCAR racing. Chrysler boycotted NASCAR in 1965 (this is why Ford won); however, Chrysler offered the splendid street hemi to the public in 1966. The Hemi (Gen II) was made available to the public in Chrysler automobiles (Dodge and Plymouth) from 1966-1971. Ford NEVER offered the "Cammer" to the public in any production line automobile, this is why it was not allowed to race. Ford's SOHC engine was also plagued with an inferior oiling circuit and an inadequate timing chain; thus, its durability in a 500 mile race comes into question.
I've been a motorhead since I was just a kid and I've only seen 1 cammer actually installed in a running car. Oh, yeah, I'm 60 now.
Daniel Adams. Go to theHEMI.com. Go to the General Hemi discussion forum. Go to the 427 SOHC thread. And when you're done reading that, for your edification read the FORD fudge factor thread that's on the same page.
funny thing is the engines with the most favorable bore/stroke ratio and good rod angle best suited for high performance are not included. the Mopar 383/400 and the chevy 327. the Mopar low deck wedge is so rugged well designed and easy to work with. in my book the best engine of all time. these engines last forever.