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McLaren 765LT & 620R | Hot Lap Trackbattle Hockenheim-GP | sport auto
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ย. 2020
- Cars: McLaren 765LT, McLaren 620R; Driver: sport auto's Test Driver Christian Gebhardt; Track: Hockenheim-GP; Lap times: 1.46,2 min (765LT), 1.49,4 (620R); Tyres: Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC1 (765LT), Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC (620R). Full exclusive review in sport auto 12/2020.
Top 10 Hockenheimring
1. McLaren Senna 1.40,8 min
2. Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series 1.43,3 min
3. Manthey-Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR 1.43,5 min
4. McLaren 720S (Trofeo R) 1.45,5 min
5. Ferrari 488 Pista 1.45,9 min
6. a-workx-Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1.46,0 min
7. McLaren 765LT 1.46,2 min
8. Lamborghini Aventador SVJ 1.47,3 min
9. Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) 1.47,8 min
10. Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro 1.48,0 min
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McLaren 600 LT: 1.48,9 min
Mercedes-AMG GT R 1.48,5 min
Lamborghini Huracán Evo: 1.49.0 min
McLaren 620R: 1.49,4 min
Porsche 911 Turbo S (991.2): 1.50,0 min
Tracktest in sport auto 12/2020.
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Why is the 765LT (1.46,2 min) slower than the 720S (1.45,5 min)? The 720S with Track Pack / Trofeo R had a very well balanced setup with perfect traction and a good drivability. In the 765LT it was the opposite. First problem: Entry oversteer when the steering input is a tiny bit too sharp (You have to work very, very sensitive on the steering wheel at the corner entry). Second problem: Less traction and snappy oversteer during accelerating out of the corner. Why is the 620R (1.49,4 min) slower than the 600LT (1.48,9 min)? Less topspeed in the 620R than in the 600LT (Parabolica: 600LT 271 km/h, 620R 259 km/h).
Couple of months ago, I have joined a McLaren track-day with Dörr Group and driven both 720S and 600LT in Hockenheim with GP setup. 600LT was very similar to Cayman GT4 in term of behavior, but 720S was in a different league and it was really scary fast. Hats off to McLaren - they have built really good cars.
Oh wow! Thank you for the explanation and great content 💪🏼 🇩🇪
Many many thanks for giving us these absolutely necessary information WHY these disappointing lap times vs. the other McL models. McLaren has really screwed up the set-up of these test cars, unbelievable!!!
The weather, the tires, the driver. You ever will find differences.
@@michaelzehnder3040 Same driver and tires for the 720S and 600LT tests... and several setup issues spotted. For me this result is not excusable and a serious problem for McL.
Love reading what the "experts" have to say in the comment section. McLaren should really hire some of you.
They did, you have no idea who’s commenting.
@DAN NNY Wow, great rebuke. You're smart.
Well didn’t expect that, after all the hype top gear was right about the 765lt
Wow... these were some unexpected poor results for McLaren 's last top releases 🤨
Thanks for the video! So, I think both track monsters need more set up time to perform at it’s full potential!
Although the 765lt was very unstable, it made a 3-second difference, that's the kind of monster
Robert Mitchell mentioned that apparently, the 765 toed too close to the Senna's performance on high speed tracks. Who knows if it's hyperactive nature is intentional. Still, I'm very disappointed.
But in straight line this 765LT beats senna by a huge margin
Alter Vatter das is einfach der Wahnsinn wie diese McLaren abhausen! Danke für die schönen Eindrücke. Gruß aus dem Honda Lager #TypeR
Die Ergebnisse sind eher sehr ernüchternd. Aber war zu erwarten.
perfect piloting
I guess Chris Harris was right... 765 LT the Deontay Wilder of supercars.
LOL, nice comparison... Maybe the suit and helmet the driver put on made the car overcumbered, causing the tyres to overheat before the hot lap began 😄
Lol, basically it whas Chris crying that the car was "to hardcore" and was undriveable and was useless. But actually the 765lt (on track) is meant for advanced drivers and not for someone who has basic knowledge of racing. This is Mclaren delivering a pure race car and not bothering you with holding your hand. The 765lt is just too much car for a guy like Chris plain and simple.
And change the street tire to a R888R and the performance will be a lot better, on the track you are better off with some cup 2 or some cup 2 R's. These Trofeo tires are absolute dogshit on any Mclaren.
@@magisterartium Chris Harris is a professional racing driver...
@@magisterartium ummmm.....what do you think Chris does for a living? What do 99.9% of the rest of us do for a living?
@@magisterartium trofeos were the fast lap kings not too long ago, widely superior to toyos you are suggesting, now fanboys use them as excuse.
thought that this car supposed to be amg gt black series and gt2rs competitor.
it is... depending on the track ! There is a video at Paul Ricard, where the 765LT destroys a GT2 RS
That McLean 765lt was just wheel spinning. Powerful Car need the right size tryres.
Or maybe a proper diff. All McLarens run open diffs with brake torque vectoring like a Golf. They are the only supercar manufacturer that does this...
@@gazman9468 what diff should they implement?
@@achilleconte4385 a limited slip diff could better distribute the power and also help with turn in snappy ness
And, Mercedes AMG GTR Black Series win the War... I would never have thought.
Not totally surprised, McLaren tend to keep there track specials more street/cruising focused. Even the Sena has a 70mm tyre width stagger, should have had a 60mm tyre width stagger: 265/35r19 on 9.5's and 325/30r20 on 12's. What I am suprised about is the 765LT's snap oversteer/lack of grip, could be dangerous for customers, and tarnish McLaren's reputation.
@@onehorsepower Rumour has it that it (GT Black Series) also did pretty well on the 20,8km long Nürburgring with those "basically qualifying tyres", so, I'm not buying this excuse against a car that has Trofeo R MC rubber to roll with...
Eine Angabe des Fahrzeuggewichts wäre noch interessant. 🙂
@@pillemannseinsohn Alle weiteren Details stehen in sport auto Ausgabe 12/2020 ;-)
This video destroyed the hype around the 765LT. Was that the goal? 🤷♂️
So dissapointing.. *goes back to his 20 year old VW Golf with worn out tires*
On the bright side, 765lt would still be the king for straight line speed (especially for rolling race). Though that's not exactly the poin of LT series.
The Senna achieved 285km/h
best motoring should test mclarens at tsukuba, to give more variations to what kind of track suits what kind of car
Gutes Video! (als konstruktive Kritik: G-Kräfte Messer wäre noch interessant gewesen zu sehen ... um einen noch detaillierteren Vergleich zu haben)
Uh - that didn`t come out as expected. I thought the 765LT is faster than the GT Black Series. I think 620R is the better bang for the money, as you can easily adjust and approve it to your needs and that for way less money compared to the 765LT. (For sports purpose)
How would the 675LT compare? Thank you!
They should tweak the ECU for track mode. They did great in the straight line but not so fast around the corner.
So much understeer in the 620R.... Setup could have done with a tweak, or is it just built into the package?
1.8g on the first braking zone wow
That looked a handful, nice driving, I would not have the courage.
For the road with all the driver aids set to maximum it might be that the reduced gearing means the straight line acceleration is more impressive than the 720S though and on the road you don't normally drive like that around the corners, unless you are mad. So perhaps ironically perhaps this car is better for the road, the standard car better for the track, at least time wise.
From the reviews it can be either scary or playful depending with oversteer depending what mood you are in, and that is for good drivers. For me as an average driver who does the odd track day, if I had this amount of money I would probably get a Ferrari F8 and let the electronics help me out more whilst making the impression I am a better driver than I am :)
I'm getting old though, and more cautious.
Still a lovely car to look at from Mclaren and obviously extremely impressive speed wise.
Is the 620R running slicks like it's meant to?
Trotz der relativ schmalen 225 bzw. 245er Reifen an der VA, top Performance. Wenn das Gewicht und Setup stimmt, auch wenn es hier etwas missglückt ist, scheint es auch ohne extremer Breite zu gehen.
So the ‘regular’ 720S on the same tyres was 0.7 sec quicker. Once set up is optimized on the 765LT, what lap times do you think it’ll do?
Well... they can't, McLaren mechanics already set it up in the pit. The only solution is to reduce throttle response so the car won't ended up hypersensitive on slower speed corners.
I don’t understand why you would give a car shorter gearing when it already struggled for traction below 70mph! I actually think the gearing has totally fcuked it up! Reminds me of the p1! Just too much power for those narrow tyres
1:42
All this needed was Michelin tires. Changed them on my 720S and a lot of friends I know with McLaren's all change to Michelin. McLaren techs themselves admit that the Pirellis are not as good as Michelin's...
Bullshit, the 720s did it's time on Pirellis
He's right, Michelin are better. You two are jealous.
@@MrCyberamp Corsa's are good when warm! But the standard Pzero's are complete crap!
@@WayneGarrison I only put in Michelin on my GT3RS. SOLID.
620R w/roof scoop=perfection
Will you do this again?
Operation warp speed!
Could it be that due to the more highly strung chassis setup and sticky tyres, the fall-off of the on-limit grip in the 765LT is more abrupt. Could it be that it would have been more efficient to find the right ESC setting (Variable Drift Mode has a total of 16 settings in Track mode and another 16 in Sports mode). As for the 620R, was the car using the suspension for slicks or the road suspension from the 600LT?
This could explain it.
th-cam.com/video/oEa5R1dM5rM/w-d-xo.html
Gearing issue
HI sport Auto, want to ask if the test was carrying out recently and at relatively low track temperature? or same same as others? as 3sec different to GT2 and AMG GT black is quite a lot
Lap times were done on October 22nd: A sunny and warm day at Hockenheimring! Temperatures: Air 20 degrees Celsius, Track 22 degrees Celsius!
@@SportautoDe will the michelin cup sport 2 R on AMG and GT2 also make a difference on Pirelli Trofeo R? noted same car in a 1 minute circuit, Trofeo R is like 1-1.5 min slower than Michelin, but Trofeo is more durable.
Damn a slightly modified gt3rs with over 200 less hp is somehow 2 tenths of a second quicker. Porsche always has, and always will know what they're doing in terms of track performance.
I think mclaren will be making some adjustments to the 765lt if more tests come out this slow
Do you think it’s simply an alignment/setup issue with the 765LT? I can’t verify if this is true, but I heard when you guys first tested the 720S, it was 4 seconds slower than the current listed 720S time and this was all do to setup/alignment. It seems the setup on McLarens is poor out of the factory?
No actually, the first 720s time which was around 1:48 was done with factory corsas, the 1:45 lap was done with trofeo, which aren’t actually available for the 720s as a buyable option. I guess it had something to do with the 488pista time, being faster than the regular 720s time. Therefore McLaren retaliating with a track pack to beat that time.
The first 720S lap time on GP Track wasn't done by sport auto! We drove the 720S with Corsa on the old, small circuit and the 720S Track Pack/Trofeo R on the GP Track (1.45,5 min).
@@SportautoDe Thanks for the clarification! Well I hope there can be some setup changes made and you guys can retest. Would love to see a Nurburgring run as well, properly setup of course :) Thx for the content.
@@matzepizzaheld8541 Appreciate the info. Looks like first run wasn’t sportauto either so I guess that comparison isn’t relevant.
On street, which feels more curious and enthusiastic?
Sorry for offtopic. Why german sports cars so heavy (Amg GT Black Series 1600+kg, 911 GT2 RS 1500+) vs 1300+ McLaren of 488 Pista? And why they all the same faster on track? Grip, downforce, better suspension?
They look to behave more reasonably on the corners. After some small drift the driver can accelerate easily with Porsche or Mercedes, but in this video he has to fight at first against oversteering and only then give full throttle. It looks like the suspension of McLarens was not designed in a proper way.
If have collected data of the 4 relatively new cars: 620R and 765LT from this video, and 911 Turbo S 992 and AMG GT Black Series from the previous videos of sport auto. I do not include the GT2 RS because it is relatively old one, although a very fast car. The times are:
620 R: 1.49.4
765 LT: 1.46.2
911 Turbo S: 1.47.8
AMG GT Black: 1.43.3
So even a heavy Turbo S is faster than a track car 620R, which is 300 kg lighter.
If we have a look on the top speed achieved on the Hockenheim:
620 R: 259 km/h
765 LT: 281 km/h
911 Turbo S: 271 km/h
AMG GT Black: 276 km/h
Here we can see, that the 620R is slow also on a straight line. Ok, 765Lt and AMG GT have much more horsepower, but Turbo S doesn't. That may be because of the larger downforce of the 620R, but it doesn't help on the corners because of the unsatisfactory suspension adjustment. But 765LT is good here.
If you have a look on the slowest speed along the track (that is on the right corner after the longest straight line):
620 R: 42 km/h
765 LT: 48 km/h
911 Turbo S: 45 km/h
AMG GT Black: 47 km/h
Again, 620R is the worst. 765LT looks better, but if you have a closer look, then you will see, that Porsche and Mercedes already accelerate, while the McLaren driver still fights for the trajectory.
If you have a look on the acceleration after this slow corner (on the next 3 gears after reaching the minimal speed on the corner):
620 R: 0.7g, 0.5g, 0.4g
765 LT: 1.0g, 0.9g, 0.7g
911 Turbo S: 0.9g, 0.7g, 0.5g
AMG GT Black: 0.8g, 0.7g, 0.7g
Again, the 620R has the worst acceleration, although it has a small weight in comparison to 911 Turbo S. 675 LT has a nice acceleration. And AMG GT has a very smooth one: the next gear supports the previous one in a perfect way. Mercedes has the best gearbox ratios for the track.
If you have a look on the speeds on the last left corner on the tack (it is also relatively sharp):
620 R: 78 km/h
765 LT: 86 km/h
911 Turbo S: 81 km/h
AMG GT Black: 83 km/h
Again, 620R has a lot of problems. 765LT looks great with the numbers, but again, it is painful for the driver: he can not start accelerating immediately: he struggles with the oversteering.
The maximum achieved lateral accelerations on the track, such that car was still stable on the curve:
620 R: 1.2 g
765 LT: 1.2g
911 Turbo S: 1.3g
AMG GT Black: 1.5 g
So AMG GT Black Series is a proper track car. And the both McLarens have problems with a stability on the corners. Even the heavier 911 Turbo S looks better.
And the last one is the breaking negative acceleration:
620 R: 1.5 g
765 LT: 1.7 g
911 Turbo S: 1.4 g
AMG GT Black: 1.7 g
So here without surprises: Porsche is the heaviest car.
To sum up: McLarens have significant troubles with the stability on the curves. And the 620R has some problems with acceleration also.
@@valeriymanin1090 Thx a lot! Very informatively. However the first part of question is still actual: why german cars so heavy? Even track versions such as Black Series and GT2RS.
@@eugenemanin2543 You cant compare aluminum build car to a sophisticated Carbon tub supercar like Mclaren, second reason these are build to be supercars while those are sports cars made into high performance cars........ so one is purposly build for this others taken from normal heavy sports car (even though they are not that heavy) into high performance track machines, for example GT2RS comes from 911 which have seats at the back, even by removing them in GT2RS you have ton of wasted space which adds weight!
@@TRX25EX Thx. Sounds reasonable.
@@valeriymanin1090 Awesome analysis of data.
Dont forget that 992 Turbo S went for that lap with the worst tire of those 4! A tire that isnt on the same league at ALL! Imagine what it can do with Cup 2 R!, And with proper lighter spec, carbon roof and so on...
Was the track cold or less than ideal? I thought both cars would be faster.
No! Setup on both cars could be better. Snappy oversteer in the 765LT, understeer in the 620R. And: Less topspeed in 620R than in the 600LT.
@@SportautoDe That makes the 720S with Trofeo Rs lap time that much more impressive! Thank you for the response.
@@SportautoDe Isn't snappy oversteer a mclaren characteristic all across the range, because they don't have LSD? Or is it that worse on the 765LT?
@@SgtKanyo no, understeer is par course for the McLaren range.
@@el7284 Understeer on turn in (thanks to the midengine layout), but since they have a lot of power, you can power oversteer. Also since there's no LSD, it can be a bit tricky, that's why I was asking, but I'm guessing there's just so much power in the 765, it's uncontrollable when it lets go.
Der 765LT ist einfach ein Traum, egal in welcher Farbe! Braucht jedoch dringend mehr aero,insbesondere beim harten bremsen wirkt das Heck sehr nervös ..Mit 4WD wäre wohl besser gewesen.
Allrad hätte nicht viel gebracht, nur zusätzliches Gewicht. Breitere Reifen und bessere Diff. Einstellungen, damit der weniger ausbricht, würden mehr bringen. AWD würde nur aus der Spitzkehre nach der Parabolika geholfen. Auf der Nordschleife mit langen schnelle Kurven bringt Allrad nichts. (Außer im Regen natürlich)
Honestly, seeing all these hyper/supercar times since makes the a-workx GT3 RS time with stock engine all the more impressive. Clearly having 600+ PS does not translate into better laptimes on its own.
Remember, a 720s on the 2nd hand market is cheaper than most entry level supercars. Put the trofeos on that and you have a 350+ grand 765lt beater.
I wouldnt advice anyone to buy a 2nd hand market McLaren 😬 Remember, these things are unreliable as hell
@@nik7bkh965 You nailed it
@@nik7bkh965 at least you won't have to eat the depreciation of a NEW Mclaren haha.
@@DonLee1980 I guess thats the only good thing about it haha
765lt make u feel fast but just feel
At every new test I think the Pista becomes more and more impressive. Not only it's fast, but also it leaves all other cars behind when it comes to engine sound and beauty. These Mclarens are awesome machines but they are ugly compared to any Ferrari.
Wouldnt say the Mclaren are ugly... Some Ferrari are ugly too!😉 But Yes, engineering, driveability and sound is important too! The Mclaren look like they are a bit too overengineered... Tried to hard?
The 620R seems much better composed then the 765LT. It has less understeer and seems to grip way better.
More power=less traction
both cars looked like huge handfuls of understeer, oversteer...
It needs wider tyres on the front and back. At least 285 on the front, preferably 305.
The problem is that will tramline like crazy on the street and when braking.
Needs more front tire
720s on Trofeo R😇
Eine Angabe des Fahrzeuggewichts wäre noch interessant! 🙂
Hoka Hoka track
Something wrong with the 765lt setup 720s faster so set up bad
Call those guys shitting in the TopGear guy because he isn't "enthusiast" enough LMAO.
...PISTA ✌️
Why senna so fast? Is it fake? What's his secret? Tires?
Downforce
Pista is faster
1.45.90 for Pista
So the 720s
I thought 765lt would be faster than pista and gt2 rs
Seems strange that the 765lt is slower than the 720s, but seriously the 620r slower than the 600lt. Come on!
Any clue as to why Mclaren went with such a setup on the 765LT?
It seems like they wanted it look and feel "extreme", "savage"... and ended up missing the mark.
Die Kameras im Fahrzeug wurden heftig durchgeschüttelt...
I dont think they should have lowered the gear ratios, there was no need for it. The 720s already had good ratios and was powerful enough for them.
hahaha 765LT just hype!!
@Valkyrie 007 I guess on carwow, where they only do 1/4 mile on unprepped surface right? With such powerful cars it's no longer a matter of which car is actually the fastest, it's all about launch control and AWD. The Pista would crush a bmw m5 with 800 hp on a track. I am also pretty sure that the Pista would be faster in the 0- 200 kmh and 0- 300 kmh, as well as in the roll races. It's sad that Carwow is only interested in 1/4 mile times (on unprepped surface, which gives a huge edge to AWD cars)
@Valkyrie 007 sure, the bmw won fair and square. Even a Taycan Turbo S could beat a Pista on a 1/4 mile on carwow. I am not arguing about the outcome, I am just saying that carwow is all about launch control and traction. I am also saying that carwow doesn't measure track ability. This is a video about 2 laptimes. I am sure that if that modified BMW was tested at Hockeneim it wouldn't even come close to the laptime of the Pista
@@icydelight3693 pista is quite frankly a disappointment. The 720s costs less and is faster in a straight line as well as on some tracks
@@justina9914 I don't know, to me it's worth the price. It's slightly less fast on a straight line than the 720s, but also slightly faster on a track (yes, the 720s won at Hockeneim, but basically on every other track the Pista won). It's pricier but it also retains the value better. I'd be happy with both of them
THE TWO MCLAREN ARE IN THE FORZA HORIZON 5 GAME
Very strange result of 765LT..
My goodnes this was so disapointing! You guys need to try a new laptime in the 765LT.
No problem, but only if we get the 765LT with a better balanced setup again. Snappy oversteer and no traction does not help to set a fast lap time!
@@SportautoDe of course, because this laptime was so poor for a car like this. It was slower than 720S with the same tires!
@@8Lucas1Simoes2lsdGT We know, because we did the lap time with the 720S ;-)
I think that car would do better with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires. James (Mr.JWW) said that he thinks the car outperform the tires. I don't know why McLaren insists in going with Pirelli over Micheline.
@@SportautoDe
You guys should ask McLaren if you can try Michelin Pilot Sport cup 2 tires on the 765LT, next time you do a test run. I believe it will do better, even without balanced set up.
I’m no Mclaren engineer but I think they tweaked the 765lt the way it is for more fun, rather than just lap time Slayer.
With this performance, this can't exactly be considered as a lap time slayer
@@morepanicboy7120 , yes
@@skydriver2639 , It depends on if you know what you are doing. If your a bad driver, and don't know a track then good luck. But someone that knows how to drive will be fine, especially since I doubt they be pushing to the limit all the time.
If you bought a high performance car for track day. The very first thing that you want is consistency in the lap times. 765LT is a temperamental car even with fresh set of tires. There's no point in clocking fastest lap of the day but finished up the race at quarter back position.
@@arapaimagold8088 , true it’s meant to be more playful rather than senna type of sticky. Also lap times depend on a lot of things. Including what track your actually driving.
McLaren 😍 Best Super Sports Car in the World
After all these years, McLaren still can't figure out how to make the cars handle well.
they handle well, but the front end grip has to be improved
@@Heinz19946 You're contradicting yourself buddy. Front end grip sucks therefore it doesn't handle well for a car in this league.
The 720s handles just fine, and the Senna is the best track car in the market. Just because this 765lt doesn't have a perfect setup it doesn't mean that Mclaren doesn't know how to make a car handle well. They're one of the most successful f1 teams in history
@@icydelight3693 yap, just wont argue with the other dude
@@icydelight3693 The 765lt should have demolished the Pista with more than 100hp. And the Senna's acceleration is even worse than a 991 turbo.
Da hätte ich mir bessere Zeiten erhofft. Naja......Power allein reicht halt nicht!
7:48 2020 Money WIN th-cam.com/video/MNNd2DZSdKs/w-d-xo.html
Ich dachte der 765LT wird mit Porsche GT2 RS und GTR B.S. Auf Augenhöhe sein. Ist leider wirklich enttäuschend.
@@jasonwhite736 Und dazu die vielen Schwachstellen an dem Engländer. Wirklich eine schlechte Leistung.
@@Question.Authority der 992 gt3 ist komlett serie schneller als ein mclaren 765lt mit vergleichbaren reifen und 260ps mehr, auf hockenheim, was hat also die nordschleife damit zu tun?
BOTH CARS ARE DAMN FAST..BUT FERRARI PISTA DID IT AROUND 1 MIN 45.9 SEC IF NOT MISTAKEN! BRAVO FERRARI
And the Mercedes did it even faster than the pista. Hats off to AMG
@@drepark2294 yeah but the Pista aero isn't even that advanced compared to all the wings and aero the AMG has
@@Bohuc56 lol, you are just full of excuses. Ferrari built the car for the track. If it doesn’t have enough downforce that isn’t Mercedes problem. Lol, perhaps that’s why Mercedes beats the shit out of Ferrari each weekend in F1.
@@drepark2294 pointless argument it ain't an excuse I know the AMG faster I'm just saying that I respect Ferrari for the great setup they made for the Pista
In case you didn't know, 720S with Trofeo clocked faster lap times on some tracks then a P1. Which is a car with more advanced aerodynamics. So for a Pista that got beaten by a car with less active aero and also with older chassis. The problem is with Ferrari themselves.
Slower than expected, guess the extra power is too much to handle.
Setup in the 765LT wasn`t well balanced. No traction and snappy oversteer.
@@SportautoDe Did it come from factory like this? Why not adjust the suspension to fix these problems? Still think it will be slower than GT Black Series
It relies heavily on downforce since the car is lighter than 720S. And with more horsepower and sharper throttle response. It goes all over the place on slower speed corners. The fastest solution is for them to reduce the throttle response. And anyone who's gonna buy 765LT should skipped all weight reduction options on the list.
Cars need to be faster carrying speed on curves, proper racecar are 30/40km/h slower on topspeed than those Street legal monsters but can carry a lot more speed on curves.
These cars are amazing feats of engineering, but I can't find them interesting, honestly. I would never have the ability to push a car like that... and that's the fun part of track driving for me.
Mclaren obviously had to nerf the 765lt to keep those people who just spent nearly a million on a Senna! Looks like they went too far and made it slower over a lap than the 720s, the one car its suposed to be quicker over a lap!! However all is not lost as after watching a few drag races on the street with cup2 tires and not even the stickier trefeos it did 2 runs of the quarter mile in under 10's!!! One run was a 9.8!! On the street, average road tires, no prep, normal gas!! The extra power,180lb's dropped in weight and different gearing ratio's has turned it into a drag machine! With all the right conditions on a prepped surface, trefeo tires and race gas we could see it do a 9.5 or even 9.4 and consistantley be in the 9's, so its a fail for the track weapon side but street drag racing production cars with no mods, its a win! I did notice the Senna did a 1.40, so Mclaren did have room to get the 765lt inbetween that and the 720s! 5 seconds a lap!! Thats huge!! Maybe Hokenhiem is a bad track for a car set up like the 765lt, we see it all the rime in F1 where some cars a bad and others good then the next track its all swapped around! Id like to see the 765lt and 720s do a few more tracks before condeming the 765lt to just a quick car in a straight line over the 1/4
Show the cars weights! !!
765 is 3050+/- pounds with fuel.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
Kg like normal people
Just money making McLaren just slapping the models out lol. But nice cars never the less
Wrong width of tire setting, waste the good engine and aerodynamic, McLaren should set front 9.5J wheel with 265/35/19, rear 12j with 325/30/20 tire(or like the 918/GT2RS/GT3RS wheel/tire set: 9.5J+265/35/20+12.5J 325/30/21) definitely make a different lap time....
I just compared both onboards 720 vs 765.
1. Look where the cars are at 1:08.5 (lap time. not video). Completely different lines
2. 765 lost everything in last corner.
yes, very good view! But the 720S line was not on track anymore! He drove off the track ! With the 765LT he was on track completly without using the curbs which took much time again. And especially the last corner line I also do not understand too...
But when the car has not the setup you prefer to drive it will be always difficult to create a good lap time.
Make some Drag Race Videos 🏁
720s is just a better all rounder
Ferrari 488 Pista : 1"45"9 =)
AMG BS: 1'43" 3 😅
Unglaublich, selten 2 so unausgewogene Autos gesehen! Haben die keine Teststrecke bei MC Laren? Der 765 LT sieht unfahrbar aus, als wenn er Winterreifen drauf hätte. Der 620R ist wohl für Slicks gebaut, daher verständlich, dass er untersteuert.
720S 1.45 wtf?
Yes! 720S with Track Pack, Trofeo R and well balanced setup. 765LT with snappy oversteer!
@@SportautoDe
But I never understood why you didn't test the 720s "track pack," with trofeo r tires, around the green hell.
@@SportautoDe Are you going to do a hot lap at the Nurb in the Senna?
Disappointed with the 765lt lap time
765lt looks like a real handful, but holy cow the acceleration one it catches traction is hypercar like. How are cars that insanely fast even street legal at this point? They are pretty much useless
True. They are too fast for 99% of all situations in everyday driving.
Those tires have zero grip
They need to be warm before they give good traction
Lol is this real?
wtf? 620r 100kph-200kph in 6.3s?? fake car?
it can do 4-5 seconds better.
Das gesuchte Wort hier im Clip ist ganz klar FAHRBARKEIT!👨🏻🏫
Mclaren hat hier offensichtlich zuviel gewollt und auf Krampf versucht, Modelle schneller zu machen! Es reicht nicht einzelne Komponenten einfach extremer abzustimmen oder dem Motor mehr Leistung zu verpassen...
Das Auto muss am Ende mindestens genauso fahrbar sein wie das Basismodell!
Wenn es allerdings zickiger und schwerer am Limit zu bewegen ist, läuft ganz klar was falsch...
Okay, manche Rennfahrer mögen ja diesen Drahtseilakt am Limit, aber der Großteil bevorzugt doch eher perfektes Fahrverhalten a la Porsche...😉
LOL. I don't have problems with this car(765LT). But I still want to laugh? because all those fanboys trying to convince others that the 765LT will have chance against GT Black series and GT2RS MR aroud tracks. A three seconds gap at a sub 2 min track means that it's just worse engineered. Please accept the truth fanboys. Don't embarrass McLaren. They are pretty good track weapons. （not as reliable but still good）
@Valkyrie 007 Who fxxking cares about those emmision cases. Literally all EU manufacturers were found involved in this. But the main case is the VW one.
The most important things for sportscar people are that manufactures don't lie about their cars performance. Don't try to fake a laptime or something. Look what Lambo did, they just kept embarrassing themselves.
@Valkyrie 007 Go google yourself. By your definition of cheaters FCA, Renault and PSA and others also involved in this case. And Toyota, GM also involved in many other cases by cheating in different ways. Again nobody cares about this. That doesn't change the fact that 765LT is three seconds slower than Porsche and AMG.
@Valkyrie 007 Porsche and Mercedes always make better track weapons. This new flagship 765LT 3 seconds slower proves it again. Senna is a good car. And it's faster here doesn't mean it's the same case in other tracks. At sachsenring it's like only 0.1 faster than MR and Black series maybe faster. Alao GT Black series is already the faster road legal car around Nurburgring. Will be announced in a few days. Senna may have a hard time to actually go faster. And AMG ONE will crush all road leagal cars on this planet even GT Black series and the upcoming 992 GT2RS.
@Valkyrie 007 Oh you know what. I recognize you. You're that funny guy who are laughed at everywhere because you have a delusional feeling that Aston Martin cars are better than others. Why you change your name? Because too many people make jokes of you?
@Valkyrie 007 Poor guy. I don't think Aston Martin is ever gonna make that track car you mentioned. They have nothing successful in their history of making any cars. So they broke 7 times and now still can't sell cars to profit until Mercedes became their biggest share holders and give them the AMG engines and technology. But still, Mercedes only allows them to aim a very small market. It's controlled by AMG like its satellite brand but still Mercedes hasn't decided to fully buy them in which means there is still high possibilities that they broke again and disappeared. Anyway it doesn't matter. People already forget this car brand. 007 movies are not that popular anymore. Nobody cares any car of A M
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