all these chickenshit hoa money cases: i've noticed over six years of watching and tracking down on the internet invariably embezzlement is the explanation.
That could of been easily won in a small court. She had hard evidence that she made every payment. The bank would back her up and then she could turn around and sue the HOA for harassment.
If your bank shows you made the payments they cant do crap. Now you go get an attorney and sue them for your wasted time. Make them pay you for stress and emotional damage.
nah my uncle paid through his bank and his HOA did the same thing to him. he started to get mysterious damage to his property. he installed a security system and saw it was one of the HOA's kids. he had to call the state Attorney general on them.
They need to initiate a suit against the HOA, so they can get the HOA pay their attorney fees. If the HOA sues, then they can’t get attorney fees reimbursed. This is standard practice.
@@kenyettaready never said what you describe doesnt happen. People are fd up. Legally you cant be held responsible for funds not being paid if you have records to prove youve paid. Yes you can hire an attorney to sue for emotional, physical or property damage if you can prove they did that to your property.
This reminds me of what happened to my wife in the 70's. She is a veteran and was receiving a VA College benefit check every month or whatever. Anyway, at one point she didn't receive it so she called the VA and asked about it. They told her it was sent and that she was going to have to prove she DID NOT receive it. Good luck with that. So she visited our local congressman's office and explained the situation. As I recall, about a week later she received her check. That was back when our representatives cared about their constituents.
I feel so sorry for your wife. I served with the 101st Airborne 2/502 Inf Vietnam and plus 7 more years Army before in 79' moving to Australia to teach. Fighting the VA over a the little we got for college, compared to what people got after WWII sucks. I worked with many of those WWII vets during the 70's and to hear their stories about what their benefits were made me so very angry. Now to listen to this poor veteran fighting an HOA, is shocking... time to remember those combat skills and maybe remind that HOA of them ... LOL ... one can dream.
They need to prove the payment was received ? I'd tell them , Ok i'll have the IRS audit you. I have proof i paid , do you have proof you DID'NT claim it on your taxes ?
Yep. This should do it lol. If they claim payments werent made while it is shown to be made, then something is going on with their system and accounting, which means they could also be trying to rip uncle sam and we all know if you mess with taxes, they will come for a arm and both legs xD
Nobody can request IRS to audit anyone. State's attorney journal or local sheriff department probably could be of help. Send a notice through a lawyer. That works the best.
@AHR 12 WTF, did you not watch the video? They have proof verified by the bank that all the payments were made and on time!! You are another example that you can't fix stupid!!!
@AHR 12 I am white you dumb ass!!!! So actual physical paperwork from the bank, plus the actual bank stating the payments were made and on time is just an excuse? I could be wrong but I would think even in the Middle East that would be proof of payments!!! What does your stupid self consider proof?
I live in a neighborhood with covenants. Something similar to HOA, with special rules and restrictions, but without the members and fees. It's something the builder put in place with the county when he built up our neighborhood. What's different for us though, is if someone doesn't follow the rules, it is up to an individual in the community to take legal action against them if they don't like the rule they are breaking, such as a boat parked in yard, cars parked in street, etc. But, unless someone complains and decides legal action is needed, it's basically a do as you please type neighborhood. We have the protections in place should things get out of hand, but we also have our own leniency.
If you respond with "sometimes payments are made, but not received" that means this has happened several times before, if that's the case you don't jump to foreclosing on the house
That happened to me. The HOA lost my check, then I repaid it with late fees, then 2 years later they found my old check, cashed it and never applied it to my account. Total incompetence!
Always pay your HOA dues by check so you always have a paper copy or cancelled check from the bank account to prove it. Especially if it's an off site HOA management company.
HOA lose all right to ANY money after making such statement "HOA wanted copys of cashed cheaks both front and back" from a homeowner that Direct Debits the HOA
I hope this company is shut down and sued! I bet someone was stealing the money instead of applying it to the proper account. This woman and her family deserve justice! Also, thank you for your service as a combat veteran- Respect!❤
Disputes with the bullies running the HOAs should be settled by the homeowners suing them in court for a legal solution and transgress well as legal fees. When enough HOAs are sued often enough, they will go out of business and maybe even to jail.
I wasn't clear enough about suing the individuals sitting on the HOA board. An even better solution is to rally the owners to disband the HOA altogether.
OMG my blood would be BOILING! Imagine busting your ass to pay for something, and in turn you're told you NEVER paid it!? Especially something as important as your home!
This happened to me although not as extreme. But our HOA treasurer called me and said he had not received payment for the association fee. I said what do you mean I hand delivered it to you. He basically called me a liar. I went to my bank and got a copy of the canceled check and hand delivered it to him. I honestly think he was in the early stages of dementia. I think he must’ve made a few more errors like that so wasn’t handling the money much longer.
the problem here is there was no notification from either side, to the resident, that there was a technical error and it wasn't her fault. technology, no matter how advanced it is, will fail. this is why, once i am out of debt, ill save up for some land, and barter as much as i can for the building materials for a new home. no HOA bs, no city bs. county property near joplin mo or no dice!
If an HOA tried to take my home I would simply be ready to violently resist their efforts. I don't recognize the authority or legitimacy of the law that gives them that right. Thankfully I am not enough of a brainlet to ever buy a property owned by an HOA.
It's not like the hoa is the ones coming to kick you out.. that'd be the police if it got that far.. good luck getting violent with them.. but as you stated you're smart enough not to get a home with an hoa, and I agree wholeheartedly
In a lot of cases they DO NOT OWN those properties< they just manage them. Don't see how an HOA can foreclose on a property they just manage? Makes no sense. Kind of like an insurance company selling your car when you miss payments!
I'm going through the very same thing at the moment with my water supplier. The bank says I paid, the supplier says I haven't, and have passed it, plus charges, to a debt collector.
Phuque! do people have to spoon-feed these assholes?! Lawyer. Up. Get all your paperwork and go after them. Demand damages for mental anguish while yer at it. Good luck.
Last year I moved from one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the area (with an HOA) to a working class/lower-middle-class neighborhood (sans HOA) in a more central location. Barring some insane circumstance or deal, I will NEVER live in an HOA neighborhood again!
If I pay you cash and you hand me a receipt, that's it, my responsibility ends there. I don't owe you another payment if you rip up the bills, misplace them, the lockbox is stolen, whatever. If your online payment system isn't set up correctly (not depositing to the correct account or whatever), that's on you as the business, not me as the customer. I really like bravobob1's answer: "They need to prove the payment was received? I'd tell them , 'Ok I'll have the IRS audit you. I have proof I paid , do you have proof you DIDN'T claim it on your taxes?'"
Get a few guys from your old unit - full suited up from Afgan and go visit the HOAs office. See how quickly they find stuff when you have the power on your side
FSR could not account for 60k worth of funds to our treasurer last year when we got rid of them...looks like we were not the only HOA that had problems with them.
I’m pretty sure this HOA area is right near the HOA area I owned a house in. I sold it in 2015. I don’t care how tempting it is, I will never buy a house in these HOA controlled areas again.
I'll put it this way. Somebody sends you $20 in the mail and your mail is stolen, that's your problem not the person who sent you the money. "First Service Residential" Ahh well there's your problem right there!
My current HOA is the reason I’m selling and I won’t be involved with an HOA even again. HOAs end up with people calling the shots who have NO BUSINESS being in charge of anything. And definitely not in charge of my home.
Yes, being in an HOA can be messy & corrupt. The only way it's good if your the president of the HOA so you never get fine, pay late fees or get harass by the HOA for leaving junk around your property.
Listen here I have been paying my mortgage every month I have electronic records that show that very clearly. If you try to evict me I was sue you. An I don't have to pay HOA dues because I never agreed to pay them. My lease doesn't state anything about HOA dues. mainly because I had my lawyer remove that entire section.
Nearly 90% of new homes around the Vegas region are mandatory HOAs, no other choice! Since HOAs are magnets for corrupt narcissistic control freaks, many of their abuses make the news so LV needs a special show "Hall of Shame" just for them! Proof that HOAs make false promises of raising property values, foreclosure rate in LV 2nd highest in U.S., because real estate market/economy decides that!
The Law should be changed that the HOA cannot foreclose on a home, the mortgage lender should be the only one to have that authority and so the HOA has to contact them and only if they think the HOA has a case can they sign off on it.
I learned along time ago always always send a check or cashier's check or united states post office money order that can be checked. a young man showed me this about paying his rent that way and they said they got then they didnt get it but I sure did,
THEY'RE DOING THIS TO A *VETERAN*!? Oh my holy shit, they are fucking evil. It's bad enough to have a corrupt HOA, but to disrespect one of our countries finest is something beyond despicable. This person put herself in harms way to protect the very GROUND the HOA sits upon. I'm not a veteran, nor have I served. But veterans are THE ONE group of people we need to support. Period. Without them, we are no better than Germany in 1939.
They should take their HOA to court with their paperwork and should look into embezzlement
all these chickenshit hoa money cases: i've noticed over six years of watching and tracking down on the internet invariably embezzlement is the explanation.
Check into the audits. Most HOA's are required to have regular audits by outside CPA.
That could of been easily won in a small court. She had hard evidence that she made every payment. The bank would back her up and then she could turn around and sue the HOA for harassment.
wolfpackflt670 Then she could buy a nailclipper
ya..those nails actually gave me the "flip my nail back" clench
nate379 you're correct, cut those ugly nails.
the problem there is small claims court. you know how many people win there but dont get whats been awarded to them?
@@zerodawn09 Small Claims Court. What a joke. My friend tried that and Won,but try to collect. Yeah right!!!
If your bank shows you made the payments they cant do crap. Now you go get an attorney and sue them for your wasted time. Make them pay you for stress and emotional damage.
Danielle Wilson amen!
Yep
nah my uncle paid through his bank and his HOA did the same thing to him. he started to get mysterious damage to his property. he installed a security system and saw it was one of the HOA's kids. he had to call the state Attorney general on them.
They need to initiate a suit against the HOA, so they can get the HOA pay their attorney fees. If the HOA sues, then they can’t get attorney fees reimbursed. This is standard practice.
@@kenyettaready never said what you describe doesnt happen. People are fd up. Legally you cant be held responsible for funds not being paid if you have records to prove youve paid.
Yes you can hire an attorney to sue for emotional, physical or property damage if you can prove they did that to your property.
This reminds me of what happened to my wife in the 70's. She is a veteran and was receiving a VA College benefit check every month or whatever. Anyway, at one point she didn't receive it so she called the VA and asked about it. They told her it was sent and that she was going to have to prove she DID NOT receive it. Good luck with that. So she visited our local congressman's office and explained the situation. As I recall, about a week later she received her check. That was back when our representatives cared about their constituents.
I feel so sorry for your wife. I served with the 101st Airborne 2/502 Inf Vietnam and plus 7 more years Army before in 79' moving to Australia to teach. Fighting the VA over a the little we got for college, compared to what people got after WWII sucks. I worked with many of those WWII vets during the 70's and to hear their stories about what their benefits were made me so very angry. Now to listen to this poor veteran fighting an HOA, is shocking... time to remember those combat skills and maybe remind that HOA of them ... LOL ... one can dream.
They need to prove the payment was received ? I'd tell them , Ok i'll have the IRS audit you. I have proof i paid , do you have proof you DID'NT claim it on your taxes ?
Yep. This should do it lol. If they claim payments werent made while it is shown to be made, then something is going on with their system and accounting, which means they could also be trying to rip uncle sam and we all know if you mess with taxes, they will come for a arm and both legs xD
Nobody can request IRS to audit anyone. State's attorney journal or local sheriff department probably could be of help. Send a notice through a lawyer. That works the best.
Yeah That's it. The IRS should put the fear of god into them. Then do just that. They'll be sorry. Betcha they'll never,never bother you again.Nope.
@AHR 12 WTF, did you not watch the video? They have proof verified by the bank that all the payments were made and on time!! You are another example that you can't fix stupid!!!
@AHR 12 I am white you dumb ass!!!! So actual physical paperwork from the bank, plus the actual bank stating the payments were made and on time is just an excuse? I could be wrong but I would think even in the Middle East that would be proof of payments!!! What does your stupid self consider proof?
I would rather live in a neighborhood where the homes have high grass and Christmas lights until June then move into an HOA neighborhood.
I do live in that sort of neighborhood now and love it. Small town in E Tx. Did live in Henderson, NV.
Same here!!!!
I live in a neighborhood with covenants. Something similar to HOA, with special rules and restrictions, but without the members and fees. It's something the builder put in place with the county when he built up our neighborhood. What's different for us though, is if someone doesn't follow the rules, it is up to an individual in the community to take legal action against them if they don't like the rule they are breaking, such as a boat parked in yard, cars parked in street, etc. But, unless someone complains and decides legal action is needed, it's basically a do as you please type neighborhood. We have the protections in place should things get out of hand, but we also have our own leniency.
Me too, amen
We call em summer lights because they stay there all year round and keep working even after like 3yrs
HOA lost the money, then they should be held accountable for the missing money.
"lost"
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As a resistant she should demand copies of the HOA bank statements (which she legally can do) and she will see her payments...
David B bank statements would prove one way or the other.
Simple case of embezzlement.
Maybe not embezzlement, but certainly mismanagement. And not the problem of the homeowner!
No it was probably embezzlment or money laundering. I swear every HOA is just a money laundering service. Call the IRS on your HOA and they'll stop
@@leelitchfield8370 no they were definitely pocketing the money
This is why I won't buy a house with an HOA. Been there, done that; they stole from me. Like this HOA is stealing from these people.
A wise older veteran once told me the most absolute truth I have ever heard ... “nobody gives a shit about veterans but other veterans” ,
Sad but true
If you respond with "sometimes payments are made, but not received" that means this has happened several times before, if that's the case you don't jump to foreclosing on the house
Tamala-Thank you for your service to our country. And, just like you did in the military, fight back hard & give 'em hell! Good luck!
This is one reason why I won’t live in an HOA.
I used to live in an HOA to back in Fremont California I don’t like living in hoa anymore either
That happened to me. The HOA lost my check, then I repaid it with late fees, then 2 years later they found my old check, cashed it and never applied it to my account. Total incompetence!
Which is highly illegal and you need to sue them. That is not incompetence, that is illegal. That is thievery.
@@tinosdragatsis
People dont have time and money to sue these corrupt HOAs over ever outrageous scam.
That’s not incompetence it’s fraud.
I'm glad y'all are exposing these horrible HOA. What a mess! I can't believe it.
Always pay your HOA dues by check so you always have a paper copy or cancelled check from the bank account to prove it. Especially if it's an off site HOA management company.
First service residential seems to be the common denominator in all these HOA battles
I had a condo and paid monthly payments but they kept applying my payments to another unit even with it on the checks....yes it was first residential
I never would buy a HOA property. Madness
This poor woman.
God bless her for her service.
People need to start filing individiual lawsuites agianst their HOA when they get abusive.
Welcome to American were "Home Ownership" is really just fictitious term.
Property taxes in particular
HOA lose all right to ANY money after making such statement
"HOA wanted copys of cashed cheaks both front and back" from a homeowner that Direct Debits the HOA
These HOA folks are one day going to mess with the wrong one and end up on the news
First service financial has been on so many of these fraud cases across the country. The state should get involved.
I hope this company is shut down and sued! I bet someone was stealing the money instead of applying it to the proper account. This woman and her family deserve justice! Also, thank you for your service as a combat veteran- Respect!❤
Take them to court. You have paperwork. Your bank even tried to help.
This is crazy. I pay electronically. But I save confirmation from the management company that it has been paid. I can't imagine living through this.
Disputes with the bullies running the HOAs should be settled by the homeowners suing them in court for a legal solution and transgress well as legal fees. When enough HOAs are sued often enough, they will go out of business and maybe even to jail.
I wasn't clear enough about suing the individuals sitting on the HOA board.
An even better solution is to rally the owners to disband the HOA altogether.
Something tells me someone pocketed the money and trying to cover it up
OMG my blood would be BOILING! Imagine busting your ass to pay for something, and in turn you're told you NEVER paid it!? Especially something as important as your home!
This happened to me although not as extreme. But our HOA treasurer called me and said he had not received payment for the association fee. I said what do you mean I hand delivered it to you. He basically called me a liar. I went to my bank and got a copy of the canceled check and hand delivered it to him. I honestly think he was in the early stages of dementia. I think he must’ve made a few more errors like that so wasn’t handling the money much longer.
First mistake was moving into an HOA
the problem here is there was no notification from either side, to the resident, that there was a technical error and it wasn't her fault.
technology, no matter how advanced it is, will fail. this is why, once i am out of debt, ill save up for some land, and barter as much as i can for the building materials for a new home.
no HOA bs, no city bs. county property near joplin mo or no dice!
Thank you for your service to our country so sorry you have to deal with your crazy HOA
I’m just thinking that’s a beautiful house
Her cook range is about 5-8 grand. She paid HOA their money. They better live her alone.
Stay away from HOA.
or learn to obey
They don't even send the cheques back to you anymore, so just how is a person to prove that that they made a payment?
HOA theirs a thief among you, look in the mirror!
It’s crazy how an HOA can do this...
2:47 when a deer is caught in the headlights
Hahaha..true !!
How many more times will First Service Residential be features in these episodes? Probably, a lot more.
Embezzlement pure and simple. Somebody is lining their pockets.
That is why we still PAY by Check. We do nothing on line. I know who cashes the check and got the money. Start using paper again.
1:06 I can't take any organization seriously with that font
If they try taking that house, sue them for millions.
If an HOA tried to take my home I would simply be ready to violently resist their efforts. I don't recognize the authority or legitimacy of the law that gives them that right.
Thankfully I am not enough of a brainlet to ever buy a property owned by an HOA.
It's not like the hoa is the ones coming to kick you out.. that'd be the police if it got that far.. good luck getting violent with them.. but as you stated you're smart enough not to get a home with an hoa, and I agree wholeheartedly
In a lot of cases they DO NOT OWN those properties< they just manage them. Don't see how an HOA can foreclose on a property they just manage? Makes no sense. Kind of like an insurance company selling your car when you miss payments!
I'm going through the very same thing at the moment with my water supplier.
The bank says I paid, the supplier says I haven't, and have passed it, plus charges, to a debt collector.
Phuque! do people have to spoon-feed these assholes?!
Lawyer. Up. Get all your paperwork and go after them. Demand damages for mental anguish while yer at it. Good luck.
Last year I moved from one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the area (with an HOA) to a working class/lower-middle-class neighborhood (sans HOA) in a more central location. Barring some insane circumstance or deal, I will NEVER live in an HOA neighborhood again!
I hope they sell that house and move somewhere without HOA. I know that's hard in Vegas because almost every home is an HOA, but they're out there!
If I pay you cash and you hand me a receipt, that's it, my responsibility ends there. I don't owe you another payment if you rip up the bills, misplace them, the lockbox is stolen, whatever.
If your online payment system isn't set up correctly (not depositing to the correct account or whatever), that's on you as the business, not me as the customer.
I really like bravobob1's answer: "They need to prove the payment was received? I'd tell them , 'Ok I'll have the IRS audit you. I have proof I paid , do you have proof you DIDN'T claim it on your taxes?'"
Get a few guys from your old unit - full suited up from Afgan and go visit the HOAs office. See how quickly they find stuff when you have the power on your side
FSR could not account for 60k worth of funds to our treasurer last year when we got rid of them...looks like we were not the only HOA that had problems with them.
I’m pretty sure this HOA area is right near the HOA area I owned a house in. I sold it in 2015. I don’t care how tempting it is, I will never buy a house in these HOA controlled areas again.
First Service seems to be a common factor in most of of the HOA issues in las vegas.
I'll put it this way. Somebody sends you $20 in the mail and your mail is stolen, that's your problem not the person who sent you the money. "First Service Residential" Ahh well there's your problem right there!
My current HOA is the reason I’m selling and I won’t be involved with an HOA even again.
HOAs end up with people calling the shots who have NO BUSINESS being in charge of anything. And definitely not in charge of my home.
Living in an HOA is the dumbest move you'll ever make. If you must buy a new house, ask your agent about independent houses (houses without an HOA).
Yes, being in an HOA can be messy & corrupt. The only way it's good if your the president of the HOA so you never get fine, pay late fees or get harass by the HOA for leaving junk around your property.
Of course they don't want to talk to anybody because they want that house for next to nothing.
Get a lawyer sue them they're trying to steal your home
First Service Residential Nevada, involved again. President: Steven Parker (BYU class of 1991), of Henderson, NV.
That HOA is embezzling
Audits need to be done on every hoa to see where your fees are going and then if you see corruption hoa needs to be dissolved
Listen here I have been paying my mortgage every month
I have electronic records that show that very clearly.
If you try to evict me I was sue you.
An I don't have to pay HOA dues because I never agreed to pay them.
My lease doesn't state anything about HOA dues.
mainly because I had my lawyer remove that entire section.
What’s up with all these stories on HOA’s in Las Vegas ? It’s like the Land of all Bad HOA’s landed in one city.
I moved henderson, NV 5 months ago and it seems to me that all or most of the communities here are governed by an HOA.
Nearly 90% of new homes around the Vegas region are mandatory HOAs, no other choice! Since HOAs are magnets for corrupt narcissistic control freaks, many of their abuses make the news so LV needs a special show "Hall of Shame" just for them! Proof that HOAs make false promises of raising property values, foreclosure rate in LV 2nd highest in U.S., because real estate market/economy decides that!
@@TFlowers123 .....Hey how are you. I'm moving to Las Vegas within a year.....what areas would you Recommend? I'm definitely looking at Henderson.
This why going 100% digital will be a nightmare.
First Service has been harassing us for almost two years now. I am ready to hire an attorney.
If that was a friend or family of mine.....vigilante justice baby
The Law should be changed that the HOA cannot foreclose on a home, the mortgage lender should be the only one to have that authority and so the HOA has to contact them and only if they think the HOA has a case can they sign off on it.
They made it and she served her country only to have some "mishap" threaten everything they legitimately worked for
Payments made but not received? So what happen to the money? Did it disappear.
I love HOA
Should have filed a case against the bank linking this with the HOA notification. Let them fight each other.
Beautiful couple
When you buy a home on a HOA property ITS NOT YOUR HOME .. you just renting
PAY BY CHECK, PAY BY CHECK, PAY BY CHECK.
3:28 It was *just* added to their hall and right away they're giving them good publicity.
Never, Never buy a home under a HOA. You'll be subject to minor tyrants.
First ballot Hall of Shamers First Service Residential at it again I see!
It would be nice if you would give us a follow up on this matter..
They've been paying their sub-association, yes, but do they also need to pay the master separately?
I wonder if HOA home sales are going down and for a good reason?
Why would anybody want to stay at a place like this that has people telling you what you can do with your house
HOAs are the most in American thing ever.
They want copies of cheques in respect of electronic payments.
BRAVO!!!!
The bank has proof, Thank you for your service
HOA's....one of America's premier law enforcement agencies....members of the Police State, in good standing.
well what happened to them, did it get worked out Darcy?
Sniff, sniff. I smell a big lawsuit win.
Weird first service is in almost all of the Hall of shame videos
When she gave them proof they did everything they could to invalidate it. They wanted her money.
They also probably wanted to take their house ...terrible
I learned along time ago always always send a check or cashier's check or united states post office money order that can be checked. a young man showed me this about paying his rent that way and they said they got then they didnt get it but I sure did,
THEY'RE DOING THIS TO A *VETERAN*!?
Oh my holy shit, they are fucking evil. It's bad enough to have a corrupt HOA, but to disrespect one of our countries finest is something beyond despicable.
This person put herself in harms way to protect the very GROUND the HOA sits upon.
I'm not a veteran, nor have I served. But veterans are THE ONE group of people we need to support. Period. Without them, we are no better than Germany in 1939.
Sounds like the financial company are a bunch of scammers
Sue the hoa for mental hardship stress and pain.
Yeah Darcy 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Get your bank records.
All you need.
Proof of payment was made.
Case closed
First services residential used to be RMI ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ and they change their name!
This is a simple conversation. Rectification should be immediate once the Board is presented with proof of payment.