It's crazy they word Lamplighter's comment by saying it "gave the deck more direct damage THAN WE'D LIKE" when, on first glance - and as evidenced by all Day 1 Ele Mage decks -, everyone saw its potential to OTK. It was a combo card from the get-go.
its still crazy that only 2 expansions ago that effect was on a 7 mana class legendary. sure skarr hits minions, but the face damage is the only reason its played
@@menialbeeand duplicating that card also needs to be stopped as well as another elemental legendary warriors love to bounce back to hand. That or steam cleaner in standard.
Just remember shockspitter, with only 3 different weapons, 6 out of 30 cards, hunter was able to hit EVERY SINGLE TURN with a weapon and kill turn 6 EVERY GAME, of course mage can do something like that too even if it's not possible to duplicate Lamplighters
@@michaeldeangelissssss yeah but he will be played way less tbh. Especially in standard except for maybe druid because they can now play infinite value without a care.
@@lostgilgamesh Oh yeah warriors really have to think about which of their 10 board clears they have to use each turn. Control can be just as brainless as aggro.
Should've just made it destroy enemy minions and reduce it's cost back to 8 mana, or even 7. That way deathrattle heavy decks aren't disproportionately punished and Reno can still be played before it's too late. As they've admitted Highlander decks weren't power outliers, it's just Reno felt horrible to play against and disproportionately countered certain archetypes. Now they've just made it unplayable. They really made a mountain out of a mole hill, it's not hard to make the card playable but not horrible to play against. Just rework the horrible unfun aspect of his board clear + board space limitation and then adjust his mana/armor or even hero power accordingly after some testing.
Actually a huge nerf to Reska would be a health buff. I know it sounds counterintuitive but buffing Reska’s health would nerf the ability to properly trade into lower tier minions in order to steal higher value targets and would also make it more difficult to kill your own Reska utilizing cards like frost strike or the hero power from headless horseman. Unironically a health buff would be a huge nerf…
I feel like a better nerfed would’ve been to put them to 15 mana and have the discount only consider your minions. That way against board based decks they would struggle but would still be insane in the late game.
@@freshjori yeah but you can run two soulstealers. Only argument is that soulstealer is a double rune DK deck but yeah, DK is not using reno anymore unless he goes down to like 8 mana.
Blizzard actually listening to the community, im surprised Oh and i just realized, funnel cake being at 2 mana could actually be a buff, because now coldtooth mine can always draw bio project, and the cost doesn't matter when you have a card that says "your spells cost (1)"
Tbh Reno is so necessary to compete in high level wild. one hand it was single handed the best bored clear ever printed. On the other hand he was the only viable bored clear we had in wild.
Sad to see Elemental Shaman crumble too, my Wild build stood a chance but Lamplighter being gone will probably be too much. Guess I'll try out some of those Asteroid builds. Seabreeze Chalice is pretty dead for its previous uses, but only targeting minions can be really good, it's up to 3 mana deal 6 to minions, flexibly. If you get their board health down to 6 or lower it finishes it up, it's got some chance to still see play somewhere, keep in mind Druid always needs removal.
It's making me angry they not nerfed saurun broken frustrating otk and they just killed Reno what about stupid elemental mage otk lamp lighter isn't important
The only thing I want to see for Reno is a mana reduction. If it gets fully reverted when it rotates I will lose my mind. It's the type of Yugioh-esque design of "haha, you can't play the game" that's so unbelievably toxic. Wild might be too far gone anyway, but I don't care. It's the format I used to play, and it's precisely because of cards like Reno I just quit. I still want a Frozen Throne Twist format in hopes the OG Hero cards get well deserved buffs...
"We've decided to finally nerf all of the problematic cards that consistently OTK people from hand which we knew were going to be problematic but released anyway. Except for Sonya, of course!"
Oooooh, it just dawned on me that the rouge spell now discounting could be nuts with Sonya. The base spell already synergized but now the 2 cost starship pieces like biopod can get discounted then copied by Sonya!
@@pachekaoo But Yogg can flexibly deal with various board states, even gaining you a valuable piece or filling up your hand, And it is a no-brainer include. Reno requires you to change the way you build your deck.
I for one hate Reno (dusted a gold one I got from packs) and yet this seems overly harsh to me. I've been wondering for months why they don't just e.g. remove the board space restriction. Completely gutting him like this seems excessive.
Threads and Reska nerfs do nothing.. Lets not pretend that the meta will be different with reborn Zilliax, lifesteal Zilliax, abundance of full board clears, uninteractive removal of Reska/Yogg/priest titan
@@Ttangko_and they say Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel is trash, but at least in that game you can interact with your opponent! If your deck is well built and good for climbing you can even play over your opponent's interruptions!
This is the type of patch I'm looking for! I wish most the patches would be like this, a lot of nerfing overtuned cards, buffing ones that underperform in fun archetypes. Most the fun in Hearthstone for me is trying out new and exciting stuff after a new patch hits, and I know for a fact I'm going to enjoy this one!
I feel Starship Rogue going to fly up high with winrate now. Thanks to change to Schematic you can cheat out up to 4 starship pieces for 7 mana with Sonya (play schematic, get another for 0 mana, discover piece that cost 2, now it cost 1, play it - get another for 0 mana, repeat with 0 mana schematic). That means you can play 2 Biopods, Guiding figure and proc at least once its deathrattle in same turn.
Highlander got murdered by the nerf. They didn’t need to remove the 1 drop minion effect. I was disappointed in Yrel trade off as Yrel is a legendary and the 4/3 really didn’t make an impact.
Instead of gutting Reno I would just remove the limit board space to one part. And atarships to build to the left side of the hero instead of the battlefield. With only that one tech card being able to destroy it. Even though it's not really necessary and this will lead to transform effects being used more often anyway.
You can use the 4 drop legendary to setup holy wrath. You can still guarantee the 100 damage, but drawing a legendary is much harder than drawing a spell.
I feel like they could still have had it so there's an 'unwritten' rule with Reno that he removes Dormant minions as well, because it says "Remove all enemy minions from the game"; that would also enable Starships to remain as I imagine they are not considered minions while 'being built.'
Wow the death of Lamplighter! I'm very thankful! The number of times I thought I'd taken back the game only to lose to 17 or 19 damage from double Lamplighter in one turn...
Ethereal Oracle was an obvious problem that didn't get nerfed. Pop-up book creating two bodies for Nostalgia Shaman is also a problem, though I didn't expect it to be on their radar as much. The Threads nerf was a good spot by Blizzard that was a pleasant surprise. EDIT: And freaking Malachar or whatever it's called in DK needs a nerf. Singlehandedly steals games.
I'm not sure the yrel buff will be enough tbh, the real problem with the libram deck is that the reduction doesn't get online fast enough and you're forced to play overcosted cards way too often. I was really hoping they'd reduce the mana cost of that terrible 4/2 or give yrel a reduction effect.
From my experience (Just playing Librams in the Tavern Brawl because of the "Play 125 Paladino cards" weekly)... Yrel isn't even that good. Like, the 3 old Librams just don't do enough anymore. The power comes from getting the repeatable +3/+3 buff and the 3x 3/3 minions to 0 but these require getting most (Or all in the case of the minions) of the discount cards played... Whereby the 4/2 minion still sucks. The weapon is faster which is nice, but that minion is still garbo.
It’s always interesting that when reviewing new sets, Zeddy and others say “wow this crap is so weak it’ll never see play” and then turn around (usually in the next video) and be like “wow power creep sucks so bad they should bring the power level down. Aside from needing a bunch of stuff at once (which is kinda what they’re doing here, and I’m okay with) is that it’ll take a few “mid” sets to roll out, and the powerful sets to rotate, to feel like the game is in a good state.
I didn't know malted magma was in need of a nerf for the chip damage but I'm glad it's still 2 mana for my play style. Threads definitely needed this nerf and DK is my favorite class.
The biggest disappointment is how they really didn’t Nerf Reska at all to be honest, that’s one of the biggest problem cards, and should be nerfed into the ground tbh. Cards like that being able to flip everything on one turn or just by playing that one card should not exist. It takes away from the skill of hearthstone.
I'm not so sure that the Reska nerf is as minor as you think. It still discounts really fast and weirdly the threads nerf makes it not come down as soon. Big difference between 0 and 2-5 mana in those instances where you haven't had those minions die
Okay i know that hearthstone needed to reduce the powerlevel of cards but this feels like early hearthstone nerf design. As in butchering the card. The goal was to weaken it to be in line with tgdb not make them nearly unplayable.😅 Well at least some still survived I think
Good changes but order in a court change is such a temporary bandaid fix, they will add another huge cost minion and we will have to go through this shit again.
I am using Malted Magma in my pirate shaman in Wild mostly for AOE. Yeah, occasionally it works as a reach, but not a huge hit as i was expecting (going to 3).
Honestly, if Quasar had gotten the "not less than one" treatment, i actually think it would be a great card. We'd probably see the first "big rogue" deck ever.
If Reno is that frustrating to play against they should also rework every single "For the rest of the game" card aswell at this point, Brann, Odyn, Helya, Kil'jaeden etc. and now that Reno is nerfed Sergares and Rheastrasza. These are frustratig cards with literall 0 counterplay except being lucky with a Dirty Rat.
Wow, asteroid Shaman is going to love the new meta, if people are really trying to play Starships and more slower decks. Especially because none of it's pieces were nerfed. Ethereal Oracle does so much for 3 mana and Shaman has some really good cheap Spells to combine with this card. The variant I play doesn't care for late game combo's with Shudderblock. Early, fight for tempo, all the asteroid cards and Incindius and loads of Spell damage and draw spell(s). With the spell damage being so easy and plentiful it's actually not that hard to push a lot of damage and clear their board, over and over again, or just go face whe they try to control your board. But maybe I am still too low ELO, diamond five in EU now, to really see what it's potentially power level is.
So considering this last nerf to Reno what is the point then to Reno decks when the payoff isn’t worth it? Also do we get dust refunds for other highlander cards?
I'm assuming they'll revert reno once it goes to wild. Even at 8 mana it was good for wild because it gave reno decks a chance and i'd rather have reno decks at the top than aggro/combo
All the decks I've been making for dark beyond just got a little more viable, especially reno nerf. At first I thought maybe reno should be cheaper now, but it still clears your board without procing deathrattles and that's still worth 10 in my opinion
It sucks that they keep not doing choose one cards, makes Runes seem like a working mechanic I wanted them to drop the Refresh and give us Choose One, Choose One, Choose One so we can actually use the Choose One synergy in standard
If they were going to do this to Reno then why not put him back to eight mana??? Unbelievably foolish choice to gut him in this way AND leave him at ten mana, ugh.
Cards like Quasar should not be printed: If the options are 1) It is very broken and non-interactive - not a good card for the game. 2) Or it is unplayable and bad, in which case it is bad as well. Either you have a useless filler card or you print a problem card. That means no reason to print it.
I actually think the Scrounging Shipwright is a massive nerf. It was a good choice to hit with cubicle and I had a wild deck with a bunch of deathrattle synergies
After several matches of the flavorful Sargeras + Kil'Jaeden deck after the nerf, I'm having a blast. Might not be top tier, but damn is it fun and flavorful to blast demons left and right with warlock again.
I don't even care about Reno's board limit. The best feature of it was that it removed everything. Now it's straight up unplayable. Needs to be at least 8 mana again to see very little use, anything higher and it's gone forever.
i mean you can disenchant every nerfed card in this patch since they give you 100% dust back. Just type refund in the search tab in collection and the game shows you all nerfed cards and trash them out of existence. And you can craft them back later at any time if you feel so.
and yes you can safely disenchant Reno. I should also note if you disenchant a GOLDEN NERFED card, you get 200% dust of the cards' original value.This means if u have a golden Reno he gives 3200 dust back which is huge. Have fun!
The conniving conman and the sea shill change, what does that actually do? Doesnt it basically do the same thing. Play the last card from a non-rogue class, and play the last card from another class sound like the same thing to me
For Paladin and Mage, it won't affect their class cards. It will only affect the Rogue cards they put into their deck via Tourist or any cards they randomly generate from other classes.
@tarille1043 ok but what does that change tho? If you burgle lets say a mage card in a game playing rogue. Wont conman just do the say thing? Like what actually has changed
They can’t be used in Mage and Paladin to spam/discount Tsunami and Amitus (like Zeddy mentioned) because those aren’t cards from other classes. Essentially: “another class” refers to classes other than the one you’re playing. The only way to change that mid-game is with hero cards from other classes (like the ones generated by Rogue’s tourist legendary).
seeing a lot of people complaining about the nerfs being too much and simultaneously seeing that people that say the nerfs aren't enough. Surely the people in these two camps should come to the synthesis that they both got what they wanted, right? Sure, Reno is worse, but it's not like the decks you were bad against got much better, now it's just time to adapt. I imagine this is along the lines of what the devs were thinking, but I do wonder if this will actually change the consensus people have about this meta, and the expansion by extension of that.
Chalice was good burn/combo option for sif mage (yeah I know sif mage doesnt see too much play, im saying it from experience of using it) With that nerf this deck has less damage cards to kill your opponents with but I think it can be still usable as nice early minion removal Im bit sad about that nerf (fuck druid tax) but maybe I'll find my way to play it
I get they want to decrease the power level of everything to let other archetypes thrive, new ones included, and they are preemptively nerfing archetypes to compensate for the power vacuum being created, but for mystery egg I think its very slow at 4 mana as is. So this nerf seems really harsh to me. But maybe with everything else nerfed, it won't be so bad. But I think egg is dead as my gut reaction.
I hope reno gets a small buff next expansion, otherwise pretty happy they are finally trying to restrict overall power level. Been hoping for that for a while
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Where's the yeti and boulderfist nerf?
Next patch, yeti goes from 4 to 5 because he was to op in even shaman
Good stats for cost will never be nerfed, this is the essence of Hearthstone
They're too strong. Even the dev's aren't able to touch them.
Where is saurun nerf elemental mage still otk turn 6
Ur so real for this
It's crazy they word Lamplighter's comment by saying it "gave the deck more direct damage THAN WE'D LIKE" when, on first glance - and as evidenced by all Day 1 Ele Mage decks -, everyone saw its potential to OTK. It was a combo card from the get-go.
Yep. They fuckin’ programmed it and decided: can go face/ -can’t go face-
its still crazy that only 2 expansions ago that effect was on a 7 mana class legendary. sure skarr hits minions, but the face damage is the only reason its played
@@menialbeeand duplicating that card also needs to be stopped as well as another elemental legendary warriors love to bounce back to hand. That or steam cleaner in standard.
Just like EVERYONE knew Ceaseless Expanse was going to be a beast in Holy Wrath decks...
Just remember shockspitter, with only 3 different weapons, 6 out of 30 cards, hunter was able to hit EVERY SINGLE TURN with a weapon and kill turn 6 EVERY GAME, of course mage can do something like that too even if it's not possible to duplicate Lamplighters
Reno isn't just murdered, they pissed on the corpse and left it to rot. 10 mana one sided Twisting Nether Highlander Payoff? Whoa, that is shit.
Poofs minions still relevant
@@michaeldeangelissssss yeah but he will be played way less tbh. Especially in standard except for maybe druid because they can now play infinite value without a care.
@ true
Not even twisting nether as the new twisting destroys locations too 💀
Twisting nether also destroys locations so not even that 😂
10 mana is overpriced for not offering 1 space limit and all-type cleaning. Should’ve went to 9 or 8.
Maybe they're stuck in 2019 when they printed the same card for Mage, just with a worse Hero Power.
Control "players" can cry some more
No lol
@@MrTheBigNoze I'd rather watch the Mongoloids that flick green cards from hand and win by turn 4 cry, control players actually play the game
@@lostgilgamesh Oh yeah warriors really have to think about which of their 10 board clears they have to use each turn. Control can be just as brainless as aggro.
Should've just made it destroy enemy minions and reduce it's cost back to 8 mana, or even 7. That way deathrattle heavy decks aren't disproportionately punished and Reno can still be played before it's too late. As they've admitted Highlander decks weren't power outliers, it's just Reno felt horrible to play against and disproportionately countered certain archetypes. Now they've just made it unplayable. They really made a mountain out of a mole hill, it's not hard to make the card playable but not horrible to play against. Just rework the horrible unfun aspect of his board clear + board space limitation and then adjust his mana/armor or even hero power accordingly after some testing.
The only real nerf that would matter for Reska is a damage nerf so it has a harder time dealing with boards with multiple minions
Actually a huge nerf to Reska would be a health buff. I know it sounds counterintuitive but buffing Reska’s health would nerf the ability to properly trade into lower tier minions in order to steal higher value targets and would also make it more difficult to kill your own Reska utilizing cards like frost strike or the hero power from headless horseman. Unironically a health buff would be a huge nerf…
Bro just look at all the card u cant play when u ad reska in ur DK list, i don't think she's a big problem cause everyone wants to play 2red 1green 🤔
I feel like a better nerfed would’ve been to put them to 15 mana and have the discount only consider your minions. That way against board based decks they would struggle but would still be insane in the late game.
i know reno wasnt that fun but theyve turned him into a worse soulstealer? he could probably be printed at like 7 mana now
It's still one sided. Soulstealer destroys your own stuff too, so it's not quite the same.
@@freshjorihe could totally go to 8 tho
He poofs minions
@@freshjori yeah but you can run two soulstealers. Only argument is that soulstealer is a double rune DK deck but yeah, DK is not using reno anymore unless he goes down to like 8 mana.
soulstealer gives armor, disables deathrattles and a strong hero power?
Blizzard actually listening to the community, im surprised
Oh and i just realized, funnel cake being at 2 mana could actually be a buff, because now coldtooth mine can always draw bio project, and the cost doesn't matter when you have a card that says "your spells cost (1)"
no they dont, where the fuck is the demon seed
@@HerbalistGoesPvP no one cares about wild
@@blackfall4709I care about Wild!!! You big meanie!
Basically Druid can still use it with just 1 extra hoop and overheal priest got murdered for sins of Druid kek
the problem with new reno, sargares and druid renoo card has no counters now
The cards that are going to rotate with it anyway? And aren't even good in the first place?
Tbh Reno is so necessary to compete in high level wild. one hand it was single handed the best bored clear ever printed. On the other hand he was the only viable bored clear we had in wild.
we need a video on why shadow of the badlands was probably the worst most overpowered set to ever come out in the past 4 years.
Dude I swear that set killed the game for me, I might start to enjoy this game again
Showdown in the Badlands was worse than United in Stormwind, it has more nerfs than in the first 5 years combined
...Flare?? Where is the video?
Y I hated aftershock and reno in badlands. But it was at whizbang for the 1sttime i didn't had fun because of how many board removal there was
the worst day for Reno fans they shouldve tried doing this better
Sad to see Elemental Shaman crumble too, my Wild build stood a chance but Lamplighter being gone will probably be too much. Guess I'll try out some of those Asteroid builds.
Seabreeze Chalice is pretty dead for its previous uses, but only targeting minions can be really good, it's up to 3 mana deal 6 to minions, flexibly. If you get their board health down to 6 or lower it finishes it up, it's got some chance to still see play somewhere, keep in mind Druid always needs removal.
Im so freaking happy with this patch, we can finally play the new expansion!!
Goodbye reno,you made highlander fun again,and now in good fashion,you got murdered
It's making me angry they not nerfed saurun broken frustrating otk and they just killed Reno what about stupid elemental mage otk lamp lighter isn't important
Fun again? hahahahaha
@@supremazach I'm pretty sure it's undeniable that people playing highlander reno were having fun
@@Armaniran193 Yeah they pretty much just want Reno to disappear entirely
@@supremazach fun to play with not against
The only thing I want to see for Reno is a mana reduction. If it gets fully reverted when it rotates I will lose my mind. It's the type of Yugioh-esque design of "haha, you can't play the game" that's so unbelievably toxic. Wild might be too far gone anyway, but I don't care. It's the format I used to play, and it's precisely because of cards like Reno I just quit.
I still want a Frozen Throne Twist format in hopes the OG Hero cards get well deserved buffs...
Reno should be 8 mana after card text change.
Reno should be 34 mana with no discount possibilities.
"We've decided to finally nerf all of the problematic cards that consistently OTK people from hand which we knew were going to be problematic but released anyway. Except for Sonya, of course!"
Oooooh, it just dawned on me that the rouge spell now discounting could be nuts with Sonya. The base spell already synergized but now the 2 cost starship pieces like biopod can get discounted then copied by Sonya!
Saying that Reno got murdered is an understatement. They could at least reduce his mana cost by like two.
yes. at least give the chance to instant hero power
Neutral board clear with limitations, yogg costs 10 and so should reno
@@pachekaoo
But Yogg can flexibly deal with various board states, even gaining you a valuable piece or filling up your hand,
And it is a no-brainer include.
Reno requires you to change the way you build your deck.
Where is the link to the patch notes?
I for one hate Reno (dusted a gold one I got from packs) and yet this seems overly harsh to me.
I've been wondering for months why they don't just e.g. remove the board space restriction.
Completely gutting him like this seems excessive.
Reno got completely reworked again while shadowstep is just chillin once again
I love basically every nerf I'm seeing.
Threads and Reska nerfs do nothing..
Lets not pretend that the meta will be different with reborn Zilliax, lifesteal Zilliax, abundance of full board clears, uninteractive removal of Reska/Yogg/priest titan
The problem is the nerf you don't see: for Ethereal Oracle. It never happened.
@@Ttangko_and they say Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel is trash, but at least in that game you can interact with your opponent! If your deck is well built and good for climbing you can even play over your opponent's interruptions!
This is the type of patch I'm looking for! I wish most the patches would be like this, a lot of nerfing overtuned cards, buffing ones that underperform in fun archetypes. Most the fun in Hearthstone for me is trying out new and exciting stuff after a new patch hits, and I know for a fact I'm going to enjoy this one!
Same dude, I might start to play the game again lol, almost ignored the game for the last 2 weeks lol
I'm so happy Reno is getting nerfed. This card was so oppressive, my most hated card to play against in hearthstone history.
Not even close
I feel Starship Rogue going to fly up high with winrate now. Thanks to change to Schematic you can cheat out up to 4 starship pieces for 7 mana with Sonya (play schematic, get another for 0 mana, discover piece that cost 2, now it cost 1, play it - get another for 0 mana, repeat with 0 mana schematic). That means you can play 2 Biopods, Guiding figure and proc at least once its deathrattle in same turn.
Highlander got murdered by the nerf. They didn’t need to remove the 1 drop minion effect. I was disappointed in Yrel trade off as Yrel is a legendary and the 4/3 really didn’t make an impact.
Instead of gutting Reno I would just remove the limit board space to one part. And atarships to build to the left side of the hero instead of the battlefield. With only that one tech card being able to destroy it. Even though it's not really necessary and this will lead to transform effects being used more often anyway.
Im surprised they didnt touch asteroid shaman deck cards
Asteroid meta incoming
its as broken as quasar rogue so disgusting
now this is an actual patch i love to see more changes like this in the future
You can use the 4 drop legendary to setup holy wrath. You can still guarantee the 100 damage, but drawing a legendary is much harder than drawing a spell.
I feel like they could still have had it so there's an 'unwritten' rule with Reno that he removes Dormant minions as well, because it says "Remove all enemy minions from the game"; that would also enable Starships to remain as I imagine they are not considered minions while 'being built.'
Dormant minions don’t count as minions
Wow the death of Lamplighter! I'm very thankful! The number of times I thought I'd taken back the game only to lose to 17 or 19 damage from double Lamplighter in one turn...
Ethereal Oracle was an obvious problem that didn't get nerfed. Pop-up book creating two bodies for Nostalgia Shaman is also a problem, though I didn't expect it to be on their radar as much. The Threads nerf was a good spot by Blizzard that was a pleasant surprise.
EDIT: And freaking Malachar or whatever it's called in DK needs a nerf. Singlehandedly steals games.
I'm not sure the yrel buff will be enough tbh, the real problem with the libram deck is that the reduction doesn't get online fast enough and you're forced to play overcosted cards way too often. I was really hoping they'd reduce the mana cost of that terrible 4/2 or give yrel a reduction effect.
The weapon now reduces the cost on turn 4 by two! It is pretty significant. Although yeah the 4/2 is still terrible
@@ДюсековИльяс Actually I didn't notice that they reduced the durability as well, that should actually help quite a bit.
From my experience (Just playing Librams in the Tavern Brawl because of the "Play 125 Paladino cards" weekly)... Yrel isn't even that good. Like, the 3 old Librams just don't do enough anymore.
The power comes from getting the repeatable +3/+3 buff and the 3x 3/3 minions to 0 but these require getting most (Or all in the case of the minions) of the discount cards played...
Whereby the 4/2 minion still sucks. The weapon is faster which is nice, but that minion is still garbo.
It’s always interesting that when reviewing new sets, Zeddy and others say “wow this crap is so weak it’ll never see play” and then turn around (usually in the next video) and be like “wow power creep sucks so bad they should bring the power level down.
Aside from needing a bunch of stuff at once (which is kinda what they’re doing here, and I’m okay with) is that it’ll take a few “mid” sets to roll out, and the powerful sets to rotate, to feel like the game is in a good state.
Patch notes are missing from the description.
Always appreciate the breakdowns
Video description is missing link to a patch note
I didn't know malted magma was in need of a nerf for the chip damage but I'm glad it's still 2 mana for my play style.
Threads definitely needed this nerf and DK is my favorite class.
Starship schematic is finally where I wanted rogue to be. Paying the tax of 1 or 2 to burgle copies of starship pieces didn't feel great.
The biggest disappointment is how they really didn’t Nerf Reska at all to be honest, that’s one of the biggest problem cards, and should be nerfed into the ground tbh. Cards like that being able to flip everything on one turn or just by playing that one card should not exist. It takes away from the skill of hearthstone.
I'm not so sure that the Reska nerf is as minor as you think. It still discounts really fast and weirdly the threads nerf makes it not come down as soon. Big difference between 0 and 2-5 mana in those instances where you haven't had those minions die
Man they really killed Lamplighter.. I just started playing Elemental Shaman xD
Okay i know that hearthstone needed to reduce the powerlevel of cards but this feels like early hearthstone nerf design. As in butchering the card. The goal was to weaken it to be in line with tgdb not make them nearly unplayable.😅 Well at least some still survived I think
Good changes but order in a court change is such a temporary bandaid fix, they will add another huge cost minion and we will have to go through this shit again.
Also we lost the only counter to Sargeras portal, even if symphony has been nerfed it was terrifying a year ago :3
So the infinite Wakener of Souls + Eternal Layover still working? this was not a bug? or they just didn't work on fixing that on this patch?
I am using Malted Magma in my pirate shaman in Wild mostly for AOE. Yeah, occasionally it works as a reach, but not a huge hit as i was expecting (going to 3).
Honestly, if Quasar had gotten the "not less than one" treatment, i actually think it would be a great card. We'd probably see the first "big rogue" deck ever.
If Reno is that frustrating to play against they should also rework every single "For the rest of the game" card aswell at this point, Brann, Odyn, Helya, Kil'jaeden etc. and now that Reno is nerfed Sergares and Rheastrasza. These are frustratig cards with literall 0 counterplay except being lucky with a Dirty Rat.
the truth
None of them are nearly as frustrating as reno
Yeah. True. That fucking warlock card is so annoying, I swear.
R I P pepsi paladin
Wow, asteroid Shaman is going to love the new meta, if people are really trying to play Starships and more slower decks. Especially because none of it's pieces were nerfed.
Ethereal Oracle does so much for 3 mana and Shaman has some really good cheap Spells to combine with this card.
The variant I play doesn't care for late game combo's with Shudderblock.
Early, fight for tempo, all the asteroid cards and Incindius and loads of Spell damage and draw spell(s).
With the spell damage being so easy and plentiful it's actually not that hard to push a lot of damage and clear their board, over and over again, or just go face whe they try to control your board.
But maybe I am still too low ELO, diamond five in EU now, to really see what it's potentially power level is.
I see Seabreeze Chalice as a buff. Finally will I stop worrying that it hits face instead of killing that 1 health minion.
Can we just point out how crazy it is that Zeddy has 4000 wins in 2 years. That's pretty much 10 wins with the class every single day.
So considering this last nerf to Reno what is the point then to Reno decks when the payoff isn’t worth it? Also do we get dust refunds for other highlander cards?
Wow, i actually didn't think they have the balls to actually murder lamplighter
Reska is still going to be a problem. DK’s can still get this to 0 mana and discover multiple copies in a game.
I'm assuming they'll revert reno once it goes to wild. Even at 8 mana it was good for wild because it gave reno decks a chance and i'd rather have reno decks at the top than aggro/combo
All the decks I've been making for dark beyond just got a little more viable, especially reno nerf. At first I thought maybe reno should be cheaper now, but it still clears your board without procing deathrattles and that's still worth 10 in my opinion
I don’t even play hearthstone anymore. But Reno leaving your opponent with no minions and 1 board slot sounds just straight up unfair.
Starships are an extremely boring mechanic and they nerfed reno for that? lol
Zeddy, there's nothing in the description where the patch notes links should be, we need a dust refund for this bug.
It sucks that they keep not doing choose one cards, makes Runes seem like a working mechanic
I wanted them to drop the Refresh and give us Choose One, Choose One, Choose One so we can actually use the Choose One synergy in standard
The exodar is now the same cost as Tess for rouge so robocaller draw is a bit worse for me with no 8 cost draw option.
At least the people complaining about Reno won’t have anything to complain about now that he’s terrible, right? Right?!
If they were going to do this to Reno then why not put him back to eight mana??? Unbelievably foolish choice to gut him in this way AND leave him at ten mana, ugh.
No it's not foolish
What is the diff bet non rogue cards and other classes?
15:20 yes, you can...with Polkelt...4 times stronger than Shirvala bloodtrail
No patch notes in description
I just want zileax to get the Genn and Baku treatment and rotate early. I'm tired of zil every game.
Cards like Quasar should not be printed:
If the options are 1) It is very broken and non-interactive - not a good card for the game.
2) Or it is unplayable and bad, in which case it is bad as well.
Either you have a useless filler card or you print a problem card.
That means no reason to print it.
I actually think the Scrounging Shipwright is a massive nerf. It was a good choice to hit with cubicle and I had a wild deck with a bunch of deathrattle synergies
Spicy. . .the spirit of Firebat is still alive. . . What is he up to in the world these days?
I'm so glad they finally understood that they have to decrease the power level and to kill the complete broken shit that feels terrible to face !
Curious to see what happens to Starships 🌸
The Reno now gone. There is not way to remove the portal from Sargareas
After several matches of the flavorful Sargeras + Kil'Jaeden deck after the nerf, I'm having a blast.
Might not be top tier, but damn is it fun and flavorful to blast demons left and right with warlock again.
Purified dragon nest remains on board as well.
Call this what it is: the best balance patch Hearthstone has ever released.
I'm excited about chalice for mage, so often I need it to hit a minion and it goes face
Yayyy I can’t wait for the 30 minute games of “let’s get my armor over 100 with my starship piece” so funnnn.
Elemental mage losing a win condition is horrible. RIP the Saruun I crafted.
Zeddy the new face of hearthstone after Rarran poster boy pissed them off
I would like to thank Reynad for these changes. I think The Bazaar got them nervous.
Looks like they forgot about Yogg as well… starships will still be stolen left and right and was a way bigger problem than Reno ever was
I don't even care about Reno's board limit. The best feature of it was that it removed everything. Now it's straight up unplayable. Needs to be at least 8 mana again to see very little use, anything higher and it's gone forever.
So should we disenchant reno? Which cards are worth disenchant?
i mean you can disenchant every nerfed card in this patch since they give you 100% dust back. Just type refund in the search tab in collection and the game shows you all nerfed cards and trash them out of existence. And you can craft them back later at any time if you feel so.
and yes you can safely disenchant Reno. I should also note if you disenchant a GOLDEN NERFED card, you get 200% dust of the cards' original value.This means if u have a golden Reno he gives 3200 dust back which is huge. Have fun!
I love all changes. Will miss a little Reno effect of 1 minion, yes it was OP but was very climatic. But still prefer playable over climatic.
Zeddy Thanks so much for this update on all those cards
The conniving conman and the sea shill change, what does that actually do? Doesnt it basically do the same thing. Play the last card from a non-rogue class, and play the last card from another class sound like the same thing to me
For Paladin and Mage, it won't affect their class cards. It will only affect the Rogue cards they put into their deck via Tourist or any cards they randomly generate from other classes.
@tarille1043 ok but what does that change tho? If you burgle lets say a mage card in a game playing rogue. Wont conman just do the say thing? Like what actually has changed
They can’t be used in Mage and Paladin to spam/discount Tsunami and Amitus (like Zeddy mentioned) because those aren’t cards from other classes.
Essentially: “another class” refers to classes other than the one you’re playing. The only way to change that mid-game is with hero cards from other classes (like the ones generated by Rogue’s tourist legendary).
@@CovetedPeacock ohhhhhh ok i get it now
Paladins and mage tourists.
seeing a lot of people complaining about the nerfs being too much and simultaneously seeing that people that say the nerfs aren't enough. Surely the people in these two camps should come to the synthesis that they both got what they wanted, right? Sure, Reno is worse, but it's not like the decks you were bad against got much better, now it's just time to adapt.
I imagine this is along the lines of what the devs were thinking, but I do wonder if this will actually change the consensus people have about this meta, and the expansion by extension of that.
Seabreeze chalice would have been better as "deal 1 damage to 2 random enemies" in my opinion
They should have made Reno 9 mana at least to compensate.
Chalice was good burn/combo option for sif mage
(yeah I know sif mage doesnt see too much play, im saying it from experience of using it)
With that nerf this deck has less damage cards to kill your opponents with but I think it can be still usable as nice early minion removal
Im bit sad about that nerf (fuck druid tax) but maybe I'll find my way to play it
As the only Paladin Highlander player this Reno nerf is sad to see but understandable at best
I get they want to decrease the power level of everything to let other archetypes thrive, new ones included, and they are preemptively nerfing archetypes to compensate for the power vacuum being created, but for mystery egg I think its very slow at 4 mana as is. So this nerf seems really harsh to me. But maybe with everything else nerfed, it won't be so bad. But I think egg is dead as my gut reaction.
Order in the Court getting nerfed so you can just play shirvala, giants, and the ceaseless is your draw for the card.
Can someone explain me the Reno Change ? It still yoinks your Board
I hope reno gets a small buff next expansion, otherwise pretty happy they are finally trying to restrict overall power level. Been hoping for that for a while
I think Reno stays playable due to paladin buffs. It really just depends on how huge the ladder is on starship after a few days