FTR 1200 S vs Scrambler 1200 XC vs R nineT vs Monster 1200 S vs Svartpilen 701
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- Cycle World sets out to compare 5 motorcycles with soul-each representing the qualities of their respective brands. Which will come out on top after 3 days in Central California?
You can go farther on many bikes, and faster on others. There are many motorcycles that would also give you greater comfort and convenience. But, I ask you, are you here to ride free on comfort and convenience? Nice to have, sure, but we are here for fun. And so are these five bikes. They represent pure joy and personality, the essential spirit of good times on two wheels. There is retro inspiration here, but these are modern motorcycles with ride-enhancing tech that generally runs unnoticed in the background while your smile leads you down the road.
What’s particularly compelling here is that each bike represents a spiritual and cultural path related to the heritage of its manufacture and design. So even if the actual engineering that’s created them is becoming more similar on the inside, we are looking at great standard-style machines that bring the best of their national origins forward into modern expression.
That is, the inspiration for the Indian FTR 1200 S is American flat track; the Ducati Monster 1200 S channels the best of Italian superbikes; the BMW R nineT brings us classic German roadster vibes; and, well, the last two are slightly different. The Husqvarna Svartpilen does bring classic Swedish dirt bike/tracker vibes with its big single-cylinder engine and stylish number-plate-like bodywork, but it’s obviously got more going on. And the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC is sort of a modern interpretation of the TR6 Trophy, the do-it-all 650cc twin that dominated desert and scrambles racing in the 1950s and ’60s. It’s a bit of Britain, via the California high desert, with a dash of modern adventure bike.
This is normally where we say we gathered at our Irvine, California, headquarters after getting full performance numbers and running all the bikes on our in-house Dynojet 250i dyno, and then hit the road. Then we’d complain about lane-splitting for three hours to get out of the great Southern California sprawl. Which is exactly what we did: lane-split for three hours and complain about it. But since the time of our multiday test ride, the world as we knew it has ended as the novel coronavirus pandemic necessitated that we put human health before our freedom to roam, and we’ll never complain about crowded freeways again.
The past few months have certainly made us appreciate motorcycling all the more. It’s an individual activity that can be done in a (distanced) group. Adventure and movement are primal desires for most of us, and motorcycling is perhaps more perfect at satisfying these desires than anything else. Our ride to the Central Coast for a few days of roosting around on every kind of magnificent road could not have been better, and the further we get from having done it (and not getting out of the house much), the more perfect it seems.
We rented a big house in a small town called Los Alamos, a census-designated place that straddles US 101 south of San Luis Obispo and east of Vandenberg Air Force Base. Los Alamos is, thankfully, still a bit more rodeo than red wine, a town that echoes with California’s history and hard work. But it’s stepped forward enough that we could eat a killer meal midweek at an (the one) open restaurant walking distance from our rented pad described as an “Old West Relic built in 1882.”
We rode north, west, east, and south on the kind of chilly winter California day that frosts the seats in the morning and makes you worried you might be too cold to have fun. And then it gets just warm enough as that classic golden light starts to beam through the oaks and light up the lush green grass of our rainy season.
Because I got gear to match, I began on the 2020 Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC. It’s the more street-oriented version of the big Scrambler versus the XE, the latter of which has longer-travel suspension (9.8-inch front and rear versus 7.8), as well as a longer swingarm. We were perfectly happy with the XC’s still-ample travel, and also its lower 33.3-inch seat height (it’s 34.7 on the XE). Custom and Style Editor Morgan Gales added, with a smile, “We know it’s a scrambler because the seat is brown.” The seat padding, for that lean look, is also on the thin side, and for me, at least, was good for less than an hour before getting uncomfortable. Thankfully it was easy and comfortable to stand, due to the dirt-bike-like riding position and fat footpegs, giving the rider the altitude and perspective to survey traffic or trail, as required.
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I’ve had over 50 motorcycles in my lifetime, what I have learned over these years are as follows : Less weight the better , 60-100 hp is plenty , simplicity with progressive braking , road handling , reliability , easy self service , parts availability , reputable manufacturers with many dealerships ! I’m close to 70 and no longer skirt the limits , my skills are only a memory ! What are the only bikes I own , BMW R90/6 and 82 BMW R100RS , Old like me but adequate ! I’m sure others have their favorites ! Those new to the sport , enjoy and be defensive, your life depends on it !
I had an R100S '77 !!!
Great points bro. Agreed 100%.
"Be defensive." Don't think this is said enough.
So true Sir. I like you, look back on 6 decades of riding. Still love it, my body tells me now what to keep running and what to sell. THANKS4sharing.
That Indian looks really good. I'm surprised they took a risk on such a big departure from their normal line up.
With how successful their FTR 750 has been on the flat tracks, it makes sense to bring some of that to the street. Personally I was hoping and expecting something like that ever since Victory's Project 156 racebike for Pike's Peak. The FTR 1200 is a bit bigger and bulkier than I was hoping for, but it seems to work for it.
The original Indian heritage included innovations to motorcycle engine and design. Polaris were innovative with Victory Motorcycles. Seems they are continuing the Indian legacy along with Victory's legacy. Remember, they are diversified in the power sports business. Also, Indians were originally dominant in racing. The FTR pays homage to that history. Just watch, they diversified the Indian line for years to come.
And a good one!
I own a Triumph Speed Twin. If the Polaris production FTR 12 looked ANYTHING liked the concept I would own one. Underpowered? Check. Overpriced? You bet. 18 inch wheels that make it impossible to find real tire? Of course. It weighs 600lbs. It is plastic. KTM isn't even bothering to address it because it is such a dismal flop. The FTR750 looks great, the 1200 makes me throw up in my mouth. It's a canadian harley. Done poorly.
@@duanedragon2 ok
The single analogue spedo on my r nine t pure is exactly what I love about it; the bike is made to just ride not to be monitored in unnecessary distracting detail.
all great bikes. Two years in, I still love my RnineT. Haven't gotten tired of it yet...
How can one get tired of it? It shakes you awake everytime you push the button.Then it wiggles to the side when you get on the gas. Then it does the snake when you brake hard and shift late. Every ride, people around me must think I'm insane, as I pat her on the tank and try to soothe that shrew..
Have you had a chance to ride a Triumph? A real one.
Thats the stuff got mine 2 months ago 1000km done its a beast on wheels. Love the feeling
@@duanedragon2
Ducati and bmw outperform Triumph.
I wish ya'll would have used a Ducati Scrambler 1100 instead of the Monster... otherwise 👍
Yes, and also a Guzzi
@@agustincuevae Guzzi would've been cool to see.
I did not learn anything. Wasted time. It’s like you are afraid to downgrade a bike for fear of loosing ad fees
The 701 Huskies are in the top 3 new bikes for me.
Really odd choice of bikes. Seems like you were looking for heritage and retro but you choose the monster 1200 s instead of the scrambler 1100? Also, no Japan? Honda CB1100, Kawasaki Z900RS? Kind of feels like you all just had a garage full of bikes and wanted to go ride them.
Works for me. I don't feel like I learned anything but I did enjoy it.
@Jeffrey Allen I am aware. I may be mistaken, but for most of that tenure it sported the air cooled, two valve, air cooled mill found in the scrambler.
I have ridden neither a monster nor a scrambler, so my opinion probably does not matter much.
@Jeffrey Allen Gsxr750 has 35 years of production. That doesn't make it a retro bike.
Jeff Keene I don’t think it was odd at all I myself was looking for another bike and all These bikes were on my radar with the exception of the 701
Yes, I also have an impression that the video is pointless. But watched it any way because the video is about motorcycles and it's raining outside so my Z900RS is in the guarage :D This comparisant was not only very strange, but there is no conclusion I could get from it of any kind.
@Jeffrey Allen A brand new 2020 katana is more retro than the monster.
Great test. Been a subscriber since the mid 70's. You even gave me a bike and a truck in 1999. Thanks again!! For me its the FTR. That's why I bought one last June. The tires roll over the winter damaged roads here in the north east better than the normal 17 inch. The 6 inch travel helps also. You didn't mention that. I got the base model that gives a lot of performance for the money. Its like a big bore dirt bike for the street. The Triumph comes close but does't compare in engine performance. The Monster is in another class.
Fun review, would of liked to see the Moto Guzzi V85TT though , I think it fits in with theses bikes
Or the new V7!
Ducati scrambler desert sled? What happened? Where is it?
I can't believe how BMW made one of the worst sounding engines of the past few decades sound so amazing.
Such a sucky motor blurk
I can't get the scrambler xc out of my mind.
I love my XE, it's good at everything and looks good doing it.
That's my ride and I love it! Just keep in mind it's not perfect... the exhaust produces a lot of heat.
Buy it hehehe
It is a terrible street bike. It is also really bad at off-road.
I have one and love it. Just know the exhaust gets hot and when you are at low speed it’s noticeable.
Great review! The BMW and the FTR are great for short trips, especially backroads, but the Triumph indeed is the better all around bike. Very comfortable, almost super-moto like. Although I would prefer the (2019 and later) XE version with the longer suspension, perfect for taller riders. The only thing I hate about is that exhaust. Fortunately, Zard makes a normal looking 2 into 1 exhaust. I need to try one.
Haha, the burn your leg exhaust was a deal breaker for me with the Scrambler.
As a proud Brit I know which one I'd go for.
The Indian.....it's a thing of beauty.
Pricey though.
Really? Triumph is so much more beautiful
Are you serius? What is wrong with analog gauges?
I bought an Indian FTR 1200 S RR a month ago. I live in New England and I already wish it was spring. This thing revitalized my love for riding!
This is my dream bike. Next year. Ride safe brotha.
Nine T rules
I own both a 1200 scrambler XE and a 701 enduro... amazing bikes and amazing engines, but very different.. as a do it all bike, the XE is impossible to beat. And looks phenomenal to me.
Kinda curious why you'd pin the FTR and R nine T against the Scrambler 1200.
Wouldn't the Speed Twin or Thruxton R be the obviously closer comparison?
I actually dig analog gauges on motorcycles, easier to see with the sun shining over your shoulder than digital.
Where is Moto Guzzi? A classic prime example of an 'old soul'!
Why not include the Yamaha XSR900?
Its not a scrambler. Ground clearance too low.
FTR is amazing the torque is a addictive joy
Don't really know what you're trying to say in this review. I think it's like trying to compare a Panigale V4S to a Motorad R1250GS.
I think they missed the boat having the Ducati Monster and not the scrambler if the theme is Retro bikes.
exactly.
Would be cool if they said the price difference as well.
It’s hilarious because he even says desert sled in the video and one of the Ducati scrambler’s is called the desert sled
7:30 - analogue gauges i.e. something that will be working properly in 20 years' time and still look amazing, too. Wanna know what TFT screens will look like in 20 years? Google '80s Digital Dashboards'... 😬
"Harley Davidson leave the chat room"
Svartpilen is super light! IMO it's one of the most interesting bikes if you don't need luggage and range. In tight twisties it'll be the fastest of these group.
It has a bit cheep controls and dash though, which spoils initial impression.
Agree on the backroad agility, but single cylinders bikes suck on the highway. I had a KTM 690R. It absolutely killed it on the tight backroads. Other than that didn’t care for it as an all arounder.
Wishlist: Svartpilen and Vitpilen with the 890 KTM parallel. That´s all.
And a slightly larger, less explodey fuel tank. I have a Svartpilen 701 and love it, minus having to get gas every 60-70 miles of fun riding. My friend has the 890 R and that sound in the Svartpilen would cause quite a commotion in the trousers.
It's coming! It will be the 901 line up👍🏼
@@patricksandeberg8184 That's good news!
I guess it will come after the Norden 901
Now it’s official, 2023 end of the year… it’s an 890 R twin 121 hp 99 torque.
Why isn't the XSR 900 here if the Svartpilen was included?
Exactly! In addition, the Kawasaki Z900 as well.
Sounds like a non-Japanese line up pretty much
Its not a scrambler. Ground clearance too low.
The analogue dials are the perfect choice. No screens for me.
Same I can deal with screens just put them inside 2 dials
Couldn't agree less. I hate the boomer-esque analog gagues.
@@tinman3586 I adore them. They’re flawless. There are amazing ways to integrate both. Like the Lexus LFA and RCF etc
I like both types of gages but on a retro analog makes sense...not a deal breaker for me.
In the end buy a XSR900 or Z900RS ;)
Svartpilen 701 the hipster's 690 Duke.
With a 17 inch front wheel and proper tires, the FTR1200 would be the perfect motorcycle.
Ask and you receive
Look at the new 2022 model
It may help that I agree with your assessments totally, but still a good video even if my favorite (Triumph Scrambler) had not been the favorite. Anyone can make their own choice even if its not yours. Glad you included the 701 BTW. It's a very worthy choice.
I really liked this comparison, I was on the market for a bike and almost all these bikes were on my radar with the exception of the husky and in the end I rode the Indian FTR the Thriumph XE and the BMW Scrambler and in the end I bought the XE Triumph and I'll tell you why! it is just like you said " with that 21inch front wheel I went from foot peg to foot peg" it was unreal BMW GS have been dethroned big time because the XE handles better is lighter and with sooooooo much less complexity than the GS from its electronic suspension to you name it tech wise it's just far to much, most of us just wanna ride buddy so all we need is a seat bars and a motor and with the Triumph it is the package to beat from all views including cost.
Why are you comparing this Triumph to a BMW GS, when they actually test the natural BMW rival to the Scrambler in the R NineT? Triumphs rival to the Beemer GS is the Triumph Tiger, and the market that both the GS and Tiger are aimed at are a world apart from the Scrambler and R NineT. These latter two are fun bikes for long Sunday spins. The GS and Tiger are Adventure bikes for spanning the globe.
@@GarryMcGovern It's like cross shopping a Subaru Crosstrek against a Mercedes 6x6.
The FTR is one monster in the group along with the Ducati. It almost resembled my 2005 Yamaha MT-01 (a perfect beast of a bike). The Triumph is the gentleman’s scrambler of the group, so composed in every way (very British in deed), great stock exhaust sound, torquy, but smooth engine, it wins this comparison, just for the looks 😍
But in the end I would bring back home with me the BMW, real old feeling but modern solid bike, 110 Hp engine, LED lights, cornering lights, inertia measurement unit, cornering Abs, TC, cruise control, heated grips, drive shaft …Man with the long flat beautiful leather seat, that would be by far the bike for me of the bunch.
Very useful and nice video. Thank you!🤙🤙
Would've liked to see the Yamaha XSR900 thrown in the mix...
Now that we're so used to touchscreens and stuff, two analog gauges almost don't feel retro, they just feel old.'' - What? Cringed until that moment, leaving it at that.
He was a skinny jeans, man-bun wearer with that comment.
I thought that was a wierd comment given the retro bike subject. Doesn't "authentic" seem to be a better description?
Chose the r nine t urban for the ww2 airplane sound and the analog speedometer. Hard to describe the pleasure in both if you are from the PlayStation generation.
What’s a “flow” motorcycle
Husky does it for me!
R nine t all day long. Shaft drive, a big boxer, analog gages insane amount of customizing options oem and aftermarket.
What an odd choice of bikes. Why not the duc scrambler 1100? Either way good vid.
From the "old souls" I would choose between CB 1100 EX, W800 and the Interceptor 650, depending on budget.
It's funny how people have different experiences on these bike. Last year i rode the 701 and felt like I was on an 125cc i mean with a little more grunt, but generally weak and
disappointing. The r Nine and the monster i rode this year. R nine felt like you said old and dated but on the other hand the monster felt like it had Adhd, twichy and not confidence inspiring at all.
the duc and indian i still haven't tried but will if i get the chance. All of them are cool bikes just suited for different people! In my head their not comparable at all.
Have great day, thanks for an informative review!
Great comparison, interesting line up for sure. But just for the record, you can ship the FTR to me when you're through wringing it out.
Between the Indian and the Husky I think two of the most beautiful bikes on the market are in this review.
I have a hard time respecting a guys opinion who wears skinny jeans and those shoes. He talks like a girl too.
FLAT TWIN isn't BOXER TWIN, cmon
Nice idea, slightly ruined by the fact that the Ducati option in this class should've obviously been the Scrambler 1100 and not the Monster 1200. Oh well...
“It’s not derivative of anything”
I dunno, it’s basically a 690 Duke with some fancy bits tacked on.
He’s talking style...
After being out of motorcycling for the last 20 years I wanted to get back into it with as pure analog new bike as possible... 4,500 miles later on my 2020 RNineT Pure and I don’t regret the purchase at all. (I did have to change out the mirrors though, the factory mirrors were pretty much worthless.)
5th year owning my R NineT (I also have a Monster S4RS) and very happy with it.
WTH did they do to the poor Monster?! One of the coolest looking bikes is now super fugly!
You guys are expert in this field , but according to me ftr wins modern bikers like me need practicability , aesthetic, comfort , cruising capability doses of all these things are equalized properly in ftr , i dont know which has greater sales in north america because the real winner is that which has maximum sales
Would love one.....but mid 30's mpg!! No Thanks! Have a 1200 Speed Twin which will not dip below 52mpg however hard I ride it. Great bike....after upgrading suspension,exhaust and gearing.
Where's the Z900RS?! Such a great rendition of the original Z1. Would loved to have seen how it stacked up to this field. Huge FAIL, Cycle World.
Spoiler alert, that bike's trash and has no soul, they were reviewing bikes with soul.
@@Juuul89 LOL. None of these new bikes have soul. They are all expensive, new bikes with a retro twist. You must be very new to motorcycling to think that these bikes have soul. That's very funny.
Kawasaki comes up short in every review on all the models. It’s just not a complete package, they have fell behind the curve similar to Suzuki.
Why not the ducati scrambler 1100
why was the ducati monster and not the scrambler put in this comparison?
Usually the company is told what the category is for the story and they send out a bike to represent. So I’m guessing Ducati sent them that one for review... just a guess though.
If it wasn't for the exhaust burns your leg when hot I would have bought a Scrambler XC last year.. tempted by the speed twin now though as same engine
I have had my XC since Dec. 2019. I did the Cat Delete. It did not make much difference. For heat IMO but it is not terrible. Just leave your exhaust side foot on the peg at Stop lights.
Couple of those other bikes like the 701 and FTR had some dirt tires on them, why not take those off road to comment on what they were like compared to the Scrambler?
Analogue gauges, it's 2020... How is that even related? It's the best looking by far in that department, it fits the style much better than those silly TFT screens which unfortunately my GS also "features" now.
I love comparisons of bikes that are all not in the exact same category. For example. I would like to see a Kawasaki Versys 650 vs Yamaha T7. Both different but both seem so damn good. It would be a fun long test to find out witch would be the best all round forever bike. Keep up the great work and if your hiring i am available to fill that position!
Nicely done gentlemen. Great to see Mark out and about too.
Paso Robles, Santa Margarita, SLO, Pismo...amazing place to ride. Just left last year after 15 years. So many AMAZING roads, and 365 riding.
The Svartpilen 701 looks like they liken the concept but wanted in-house engine version on the Nuda 900R, in the city it will be a blast..
No CB1000r, no care
Monster or Indian for me. Probably FTR-S
Maybe should have gone for the 821 Monster instead??? Cool comparison! Also this is the first I've heard the term 'flow motorcycle'....what does that mean?
Nice review and all those bikes are amazing! I have the Triumph Scrambler XC and brought it for all the reasons mentioned. It has been an amazing commuter and weekend adventurer. As an aside, it also crashes well! I went over a blind and hit slip which was on the road, the brakes worked a treat and although I flipped over the bars and landed on my head and had the bike land on me, leading to a helicopter ride to hospital, the bike has taken bugger all damage to the point I probably wont claim any insurance.. You guys really should crash test these too :)
Ha, Hell of a way to prove its ruggedness. Hope you ok now fella.
Test rode the Indian, a revelation, did what you told it and quick turned on a dime, fantastic FFS, trying to work on the purchase 😍
I wanted to like the Svartpilen but I can not get past that tank. I was looking at it at the dealer but I have to say I'm really not a fan. I ended up with the FTR. The dealer actually had every one of these save that specific BMW.
Husky with 75hp and 73nm from a 690 single? 360lbs, super flickable and just downright gorgeous? I think it’s the clear winner here. Display isn’t great and you’d need a can to really hear that punchy single but other than that it’s probably the most fun you can have on a bike. All for less than 10k. Cannot beat that.
Just hit 900 miles, engine feels really good now, once I was able to go past 6k rpm's the bike came alive and is major fun.
Why on earth was the Monster in this group test? Surely someone looking at an R9T ain't looking at a 1200S?
I was when I shopped bikes in 2017.
As someone that recently bought a ftr 1200s. They pretty much tested everything I was cross shopping. For me it was between the ftr, the monster, a thruxton r, a R9T and the XSR900. The Husqvarna was the odd one out in my opinion, but I test rode one of them as well, and the weight alone was enough for me love it.
If I were looking bar Ducati, I would be, as the Scrambler 800/1100 isn't that great
I rode both and ended up with the MonsterS and have been very satisfied. Both are great bikes for street. Looks are all very different but riding them was not that different.
I was shopping for both those too, ended up with the rninet. But the idea is the monster is the true heritage bike for Ducati, not the scrambler. Sure it's crazy fast/wild now, but that's because it's a Ducati.
I ended up choosing the rninet for its easier home mechanic maintainance.
What's British about the Thaiumph?
Wait a minute. You picked a Ducati model you knew wasn’t a match for the comparo, and then quickly discarded it stating that as the reason. Lol
I though you guys were for real.
Just picked up an FTR but would like to try the Ducati M.
Nice bikes but really overpriced and no bikes from the biggest country for bikes - Japan !
High end bikes cost high end money
Yeah z900Rs would have been a good containder
You did a big mistake by not adding ducati scrambler 1100 pro , its ridiculous to adding monster , just because technically its sounds good to compare ftr and monster its doesnt make any sense . But after all great comparison one thing thats missing is reliability ranking from consumer reports perspective.
Why can't we own five bikes without paying insurance on all five, does the insurance company think we can ride five bikes at one time. If your policy states that no one else can ride the bikes but one person, you could only crash the one bike your ridding and the other four are sitting safely in your garage. Maybe it's fair to pay for coverage for theft, but all the other charges should be waved for a bike sitting in a garage doing nothing.
The BMW sound gets me everytime. I don’t love the bike, but it sounds like an old warplane. Dope.
Triumph s exhaust will heat your leg up to the point where you’ll have to get off. No mention of it here, which is a bit surprising…
Nice comparison. I love each of these bikes. Would be happy to live with any of these as my only bike. I really like the simplicity of modern retros
Still would've picked the Husky 701.
Light, strong, comfortable and beautiful!
the fact that the 701 is 1/2 to 2/3 the price of every other bike on here should say a lot even if it is a bit outclassed.
@@Zenaur aaaaand that to! Agree! That's pretty important to 🤑
Thanks for the vid, I enjoyed the mag article as well. I had a similar shortlist a few months ago and ended up with the FTR. Was down to the R9T and that but the FTR just made me smile more. It’s great but not the most practical thing. The Triumph will be on the list next time as well as the Ducati Scrambler 1200.
I have ridden an R Nine T Scrambler (Ti Akro headers connecting a Comp Werkes can) across country from PDX to MCO, and have now swapped it with a 701 Svartpilen (Leo Vince link pipe connecting an Akro can).
I love both bikes! Sure, the engine is half the size, and I can't rip the throttle doing 120 and it still pull on the highway, but I don't miss the weight at all.
With the 701, I have ridden to Barber on all backroads from MCO and never missed any power. As 44Teeth's review mentioned, "It's a scalpel," and you don't have to muscle it about.
If we are talking sound, replicate my exhaust setup, and go watch the 450 class at the next flat track race. Then the next time you fire up your Swedish dame, you'll feel it in your giblets as you pull a wheelie off the line and remember that she's "ready to race," just like her Austrian cousin.
Then again, I prefer riding middleweight bikes fast rather than big bikes slow. 😉🏁
Italy , Sweden , Germany , England , North America ... no Japan ?
Finally a motorcycle channel that compares comparable bikes . You guys did miss the mark with the monster s , should have been the scrambler 1100 . I can’t imagine anyone taking that scrambler over the ftr
I rode both and bought the xc. No regrets here! Have you ridden both bikes?
Great line-up. Almost all bikes I would, or actually do consider buying, appreciated!
if KTM would sell the Husquarna under its own brand... ea. selling it in the KTM catalog we could find it everywhere, that is however not the case.... therefore dealerships are harder to find... no bueno and I need to have some access to a store.... most surprising bike is the FTR1200 I would love to see how it sells in numbers... but the wife is not a fan... I like the charm though... Indian won't release sales numbers... I believe the spirit of the Ducati was found in the 1100 Scrambler... I love the styling and the use rather than the Monster... for the BMW R1200 engine is so different than on the ogher 1200 models... I love the GS and RT but didn't get super warm with the R9T... my pick is the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE which is not here, but I wanna get this XC next year as a third bike...
where is the cb1000r!!!
No xsr ?
Ducati Monster is a classic not something in between for my ride I take the monster.
These were all the bikes I was deciding on last year (sub Thruxton instead of Scrambler) and ended up going with a Harley Davidson Fat Bob 114.
Why the major downgrade?
Danielle Koran the others weren’t as versatile when it comes to bombing around town, curvy mountain roads, or weekend tours with a passenger.
I would love to see an FTR comparison with stock tires vs real sport rubber.
the new ftr is out has more street inspired wheels and tyres check the indian website
So the new 2022 ftr1200
Missing the CB1000R
This test was so weird… the Ducati should be compared to the R 1250 R or just bring the Scrambler. The same with the Triumph, compare it to the Speed Twin or just use the R nineT Scrambler.
The Indian just looks weird for non Americans so obviously your magazine being on the US will favor it. The Husqvarna totally out of place.
I’ve been riding bikes for more than 40 years on road, off road and racetrack and this comparison was off… sorry to say that. You’re mixing a bunch of naked bikes that have very little in common. A Scrambler and a Roadster have different behaviors.
Of course the Ducati would have the edge as it compared with underpowered bikes, why not use the Brutalle as a direct competitor? All brands have models in the same category and yet you mixed-matched it… again, weird.
Dirt biked my whole life. Got a MT-03 a month ago. I absolutely love it but man I want that FTR 1200. What a beautiful machine. Well done Indian. More please!!
For an old guy who has been riding for 60 years the Indian and Triumph had the "old soul". Just wish you could take the mufflers off on the Triumph.