The Cost of Over-Amplified Torque｜Thrustmaster T248 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- Since it hits the $400 price tag, I decided to make a direct comparison to my T300.
Main Setup
Simagic Alpha Wheel Base
Simagic GT1-D Rim
Honda NSX-R Steering Wheel Replica
Thrustmaster TH8A Shifter
Fanatec Clubsport Pedals V1
DIY Handbrake
Pivot Chronostep Tachometer
Trak Racer TR8 Cockpit
0:00 Intro
0:13 Specifications
0:30 Design & Texture
1:02 Wheel Display
1:48 T3PM Pedals
2:15 FFB Torque
2:42 Noise
3:27 FFB Deadzone
3:48 FFB Speed
4:50 Conclusions
#T248 #T300 #FFB #Drift #Thrustmaster - เกม
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Awesome review!
I developed a mod to bring FFB to a game that does not support it, and it's clear (from a developer view) that speed is *very* important. Even more than torque, in my opinion, as the speed is what allows the car to self-correct like in reality. Torque is still very important - you can't get accurate speed (wheel acceleration) if you don't have the torque.
I hope other reviewers will also pay attention to rotation speed, as it's so important but so overlooked.
Hi. What game did you modded for FFB? I'm just curious about games with wheel support.
@@fllomasta
GTA V
@@ikt32 where can I download this mod?
The T248 led me to getting a T300RS and T-LCM pedals... So I returned the T248. It's actually not a bad wheel. I think the hybrid drive is a great idea, but for me they dropped the ball on not allowing interchangeable steering wheels.
Thank you for adding Japanese subtitles!
Your honest review is much appreciated.
I will continue to support you!
I love your videos man they are always so high quality. Great job once again!
Nice production on the review and very informative 🔥
Incroyable!!! ..... c`est la vidéo la plus qualitative en terme d`infos sur ce volant !!! 👍
400 for a wheel that is still made of hard plastic is kinda iffy on my book, Im paying nearly half a thousand for something that still feels like a Mcdonalds play place, maybe if they release a revised version of it feeling more premuim than plasticy I would for sure recommend it for starting out wheel, better than G29 though but not on price.
I've played it and I own a g920 and nah the t248 wheel itself is not better, though it does have it beat in the display, the amount of buttons and the pedals that come with it. but the FFB, etc feels way better on the g920 and the design of the t248 looks like a kids toy, even if they removed the plastic, just the way they have you gripping the wheel is uncomfortable
@@MakhnoDripGod so overly expensive wheel that doesn't even have potential
@@MakhnoDripGod ffb on g920 better? You must have not installed the trustmaster software then.
Logitech wheels, all of them, have way less and worse ffb, thats not even subjective, so if that wasnt the case then something is wrong.
As for the design, its personal preference, the logitech ones also looks like toys but they do have leather and a bit better quality. t248 looks a bit like a real cars, but smaller.
Although, the pedals that come with t248 are superior in every way to logitech pedals.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I did install the software and used every forcefeed back setting, the deadzone is garbage, and while it may have slightly stronger torque rating, it doesn’t matter because the feel of the g920 is better, undoubtedly, you’re just fanboying, the t300 is better than all of them, they shouldn’t have even made the t248
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j it doesn’t look like real cars steering wheels lmfao what are you talking about, you’re clearly fanboying, it looks like a toy the g290 looks and feels better and doesn’t have dumbass plastic thumb grips that hold your thumb out; you can’t even grip the wheel like a real car, you must not have a real car, it’s not personal preference it feels cheaper all around
i found that lubricating gears with silicone oil does wonders for smoothness and noise. My t150 was a lot better after lubrication
When I was shopping for my setup this had just came out and I decided to go with a T300rs GT edition and I'm glad withy choice
I couldn't have asked for a better wheel. I tried several times, but racing games are not for me. What I am really into is Truck Simulators, and this wheel is perfect for them because of all the extra encoder buttons. You can map a lot of truck functionalities on the wheel and very rarely have to use mouse and keyboard to control things such as: Cruise control, increase/decrease/resume, beacon and hazard, headlights, highlight beams, engine break, lift/drop axle for truck and trailer, engine break potency, open map, etc. You can do it all via encoders.
At first it's hard to memorize everything, but after doing it for a while it becomes sencond nature, and that for me, is when this wheel truely shines.
The initial d to gt4 music transition made me subscribe immediately
thx for review!
i bought T300RSGT :D
This steer is awesome
i love this type of reviewing
3:29 with that background music, I can imagine Ryosuke's voice explaining these cons like he explains things to his crew .. lol
That GT4 menu music with this video style is awesome
I have the t248 as an upgrade to a TMX. My main gripe is the dead zone and ability to drift can be cumbersome. I have not used a T300 so don't know the difference in that respect but the T300 availibility was an issue and DD wheels are just too expensive for me. The T248 is a good compromise wheel if you want a good pedal set included. I can work around its imperfections and don't have anyone to complain about the noise it makes. You pays your money...
Great comparison with some dramatic music. 🙂🎵
i like that initial d menu music
Thanks for this review. ^^
Saw someone selling this for cheaper price on FB Marketplace, and was about to buy it,
but after watching this review, I'll just save up bit more for the T300 instead :)
@Sister Mary Clements lol just say you're bad at it
@Sister Mary Clements the t300/TX is absolutely fine. I think the problem lays with you as opposed to the product. Sim racing isn’t for everyone, but for most it is a hugely enjoyable and immersive experience that can’t be had with a conventional controller.
Glad I bought the T300. Swap wheels when I want. No gear's. Pedals might be better as I bought the RS version. But I can upgrade to a decent set when I'm ready. Plus I'm starting out so the pedals are fine until I improve.
idk if u will see my comment but this vid is really clean im french understood all edit is great +1 thanks for the review T300 seem way better
Totally dig the initialD music
it was the music , the music sold me the second I heard it
Let's go Light Velocity 2 is the most amazing song ever!
這個運鏡和配樂很有那種九零年代日本汽車評測節目的感覺。
T248的顯示螢幕跟踏板當初蠻吸引我的
但T300RS GT迴轉速度
真香
+300 social credit 👍👍
I bought a T128(the cheaper, weaker,smaller version) and i was attempting to learn to drift on GT7. This explains why it was a bit more different than i anticipated. We'll see if a T300RS makes a difference
GT4 sound music in the background OMGG
as you said is a much strongest Driving force GT i knew that i souldnt replace mine for ir, going to see more options
I got ts-pc Ferrari 488 challenge with the t248 pedals for 350€, not bad
If anyone is unsure about the wheel here's my input(similar experience to video):
Pedals:
They're pretty nice for a budget wheel overall but the can slip a but if you don't have anywhere to fasten them.
Wheel:
I find it extremly anyoing how it clunks and rattles if you let go of the wheel, crash or drive at low speeds. You can disable it in settings but you loose some feedback.
The self centering is a real problem. You have a Boost option in drivers thats a bit faster but it doesn't completely fix it.
The shifter:
I don't mind thats it loud but sometimes it MISSES A SHIFT. I not sure if it's a me problem but it happes sometimes.
The clamp: I use it on my wooden desk and it unfortunately slowly creeps forward when drifting so you have to readjust every now and then.
I got it for 100EUR total for a slightly used wheel. For the price I'd say it's worth as a used t300/t500 would probably be at least double and much older.
would be a nice improvement if they used the t300 motor and gear system on a new thrustmaster
感謝分析和比較!
Thank god I didn't buy it instead of my T300.
T300 feels quick enough for drifting.
I started from G923 and the car was most likely understeering due to slow FFB.
When I bought T300 the car was straightend in most cases of losing control instead of spinning out.
Great review, you did a good job making it so people like me who starting on sim drifting won't make mistakes(as I did when bought G923, lol).
I agree, very informative video: I've heavily gotten into drifting with my G29 Logitech but due to heavy use the FFB burned out on me. I'm in the market for a new wheel and the slow recentering in this T248 is a deal breaker for me. It's a shame because the T3PM pedals look amazing in comparison to Logi's pedals.
@@ALFONIC yeah, but 923 brake pedal is soooo good. The spring is really has a good feeling and overall pedals looks and feel very good. I have stock T300 RS GT pedals: they feel cheap and not sturdy enough, although holding pretty good.
@@fllomasta I might have a look at the G923 then! Many thanks!
@@ALFONIC well, it's literally 27/29/920 wheel but with good brake pedal and questionable feature "trueforce". Although TrueForce in GRiD is pretty cool. Definetely gives a new feeling and somewhat reminds of a real car with a powerful engine.
@@ALFONIC if you're looking for a budget "drift wheel" then T300RS GT is your choice. G923 is more for a grip race and it will be a bit slow if your car is loosing traction.
This review felt tense (the cons part) had me on the edge of my seat.
😂
finally found a review that answers my question, especially about the drifting & self-correct, Awesome review, thank you very much.
Edit: just got my T300RS GT Edition & gonna start learning how to drift. 🤣
What setup do you use for most of your videos?
T300RS買う時T248とT300で迷ったなぁ
Got this for 250 to replace my t80, can't complain
Can't find t300 except for very expensive on ebay, and have had to ship 2 back already, listed as like new but didn't work when arrived, so may have no choice put to get 248 unfortunately
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would plz sahre the settings for thae head light and tail light stuff
Tutorial by Semick:
In Content Manager get into CONTENT->miscellaneous->PP FILTERS->the pp filter you are currently using.
Set "AFTER_IMAGE" to 1 in [GLARE] section.
Then at the bottom of the section you should see "SHAPE_AFTERIMAGE_LUMINANCE" and "SHAPE_AFTERIMAGE_LENGTH".
To see some effect you need to tweak first one to about 5 and second one to about 1.5.
You can also increase "SHAPE LUMINANCE" a bit.
Depends on cars, you may even need to fiddle with car lights config to get it work.
Or just use a car that has brighter brake lights in game.
No matter how good the t248 is, I don't think it can exceed the t300.
probably not. but now it costs 300€ only (t300rs gt is 400€) and it has better pedals, brake.
Yeah I had G920 for around 4 years, switched to TX leather edition, gotta say the FFB is great
@@Exlipse703 I can't decide on my first wheel. I'm on xbox series s. First i was drawn to the logitech either g920 or g923 because of price but the low ffb has put me off. It's the t248 for £300 or the tx leather edition for £400, I've also been put off a bit by the tx from a lot of people saying it has broken after a few months use. The t248 also comes with the better pedals and is £100 cheaper. Do I go for the tx and upgrade the pedals later maybe? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j are you french ?? .... Where does he sell this steering wheel for 300 euros??
@@DayWalker745 In your case, the TX is the start .... if you have more budget, there is also the TS-XW (if you find it cheaper than a fanatec dd 5/8nm).
Regarding the pedals .... t3pa < t3pm < t-lcm ... the latter costs about 200 euros at home.
Now, about the problems with this steering wheel....the majority, comes from the element between the pedals, the seat and the steering wheel...lol.
When this element will have understood, that one never puts an ffb at the maximum, the motor will stop heating and grill the electronic card.
The fan can be caused to die, you can replace it with a "noctua" .
There are videos on youtube
來說個笑話，原本打算轉手T500入T300的我，基於力回饋特性與個人使用習慣等，打算之後要換，直上Simagic的Alpha Mini，畢竟我已經習慣大力道+長時間激烈操駕，T300絕對很容易被我玩到過熱，怕久了會玩壞，原本看到T248有點心動，但想起他也只是入門級別的產物之後......
我還是繼續用T500好了，先換腳感更好踏板再說。
T500撇開細節跟反應速度較差以外
高傳動阻力的機構確實讓手感跟設定完阻尼的直驅 / 實車比較接近
@@VegetableStudio 最近用T500有練習到力道100%能單手開S2000，但僅限抓地開啦www
I want to buy t248 but i dont know if i can play assetto corsa ultimate edition but it has to be ultimate edition bcs my frends have it
請問作為官方認證可給Xbox專門使用的T248方向盤有這麼多讓人無法接受的問題？那麼還有哪款方向盤比較適合給Xbox 使用？
同廠牌還有TX（T300的Xbox版）、TS-XW可以選擇
或是Fanatec也有不少對應Xbox平台的方向盤
if i am going to replace the wheel to an open wheel mainly for F1, is this a good base / package compared to T300?
My answer is NO, even with a better pedal set, the FFB performance gap between them is just enormous.
@@VegetableStudio t248 is much cheaper
3:13 yes, the hydrid drive does make noise, but it is still better than something like the Logitech G29, which just shakes and clunks all over the place
請教一下t300rs 和txle 這兩款的馬達是一樣的嗎？哪一款是比較推薦的？謝謝
馬達是一樣的，端看你主要玩的平台是甚麼（T300：PC / PS；TX：PC / XBOX）
I have the old t300 from 2014. Is that still better then t248? I also saw I can buy the t248 pedals separately and just use them for my t300? Thx
I would say yes, T300 is still better.
And the T248 pedals (T3PM) is compatible with T300 according to my test.
@@VegetableStudio awesome, thx.
大大想請問一下 如果這款拿來跟G29比較的話，您覺得哪個CP值比較高?
G29
因為實際售價低上不少
二手品相對便宜好找
日後升級也好脫手
感謝大大回覆~
想入門的話 t248 t300 和 g29 哪個比較推薦 本來打算買個2手的csl elite/dd可是價差太大 想說買個便宜點的入門級別體驗一下再決定
上述都不打算買全新 想著直接到ebay買個二手試試
如果體驗完短期內就會升級：G29
打算先玩上一兩年再作打算：T300
買啥都好 不要買羅技系列就好 通病一堆 小弟每個月都會收到3台以上g27 29油門踏板要維修或是各種奇怪問題
@@VegetableStudio那麼就t300好了 腳踏推薦買t3pa/pro嗎 還是去找個csl的 再買個load cell kit
@@disinque6961 CSL + Load Cell Kit
走USB以後升級方向盤比較不會被綁住
@@VegetableStudio 好的感謝🙏🙏🙏
I had a T248 that lasted less than a week before halfnof the ffb died
what's the background song?
High Velocity - Gran Turismo 4
看完之後，我還是想買那個十五牛米的直驅方向盤，感覺更真實（？
那是一定的，直驅不存在傳動機構造成的力回饋減速、失真問題
雖然價位上跟T300還是存在蠻大一段落差的
Looks like a modern production car steering wheel.
Can we get a video of your rig?
Yes.
若單純從娛樂需求出發(GT7等)，會推薦T248還是G923呢? 外觀質感來看似乎G923不算差，同價位還有個排檔能玩，不考慮升級圖馬斯特其他產品的情況下T248和G923讓人有些猶豫，或是娛樂需求直接挑便宜的G29?
個人意見，要嘛就便宜到底G29，再上去就直接T300
G29 / G923 / T248在性能上都屬於入門款
跟T300有一段明顯的差距
且GT7由於輪胎物理比較嚴苛
建議上到T300才會有比較愉快的遊玩體驗
Is the t300rs gt compatible with the ps5
Yes
thx now i will buy t300,better spend a little more!
T248にこんな欠点があったとは知らなかった…でもペダルとホイールディスプレイは良いと思う👍
review on G27?
Will consider that if there’s a chance to get one.
Imo the entry level wheel should always gets cheaper. The fact that this wheel enters T300 territory while nowhere near better is absolutely ridiculous. No one should really buy this. Better get that good ol T150.
4:04 what is the name of this game?
Assetto Corsa
Hahaha gt4 soundtrack, great
T300 has overheat issue when setting to 100% FFB, it will power off automatically when it overheated. I sold it for this reason. Also its pedal is easily malfunction.
Do not put ffb at full ... otherwise the fans "noctua" are your friends
@@THESHADOW97139 can't really hear if you have headphones or loud speakers on.
wont overheat from my experience if you have the fan always on.
but it will clip at 100% ffb yes. 75% is ideal I guess
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j if lit permanently, this is the function that has been engaged, does so.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j And the others can't hear either if you use a noise-cancelling microphone or can cancel the noise on software level.
from what ive seen and heard about this wheel it feels very much like a tweaked tmx pro with more gimmicks but for 150 bucks extra…..just get a t300 lol
well if it costs 400, not worth it. But can get it for 300 in most of europe. And it has better pedals than both t150 and t300. And more than 70% more torque than t150
Damn which game is that it looks fire
Assetto Corsa
Now in the country where I live, I can buy it cheaper than Logitech G29 or G920.
If I had the money to buy the T300RS GT edition, I could buy the T248 and TH8A.
This is very troublesome.
so... t300rs or t500rs?
I decided to return the T248 after about an hour playing. It’s not a particularly interesting wheel but the physical noise was just annoying. It’s affecting me enjoying the sound effects of the game. 😅😅😅😅😅
附的踏板比t300好，但方向盤本身不如t300，不過最近剛從t300換到fanatec DD Pro
用過直驅真的回不去了，雖然價錢還是有段落差
@@VegetableStudio 沒錯，直驅是一個新的體驗
請問買的DD PRO是5nm還是8nm的？ 正在考慮中，怕5nm回饋會不會不夠？
@@weichen0939 8nm For the win 🥇!
Is t300 worth 150€ more than t248?
For the record, T300 costs 400€ and t248 250€.
感覺還是 T300 吧，你覺得這價位是 T300 最好嗎 ?
即使有容易過熱降扭力等毛病，單就力回饋的性能我覺得T300還是這價位裡CP值最高的選擇
@@VegetableStudio 了解謝謝
可以問2分38秒開始跟4分51秒開始的OST是什麼嗎 另外感謝介紹@@
Todo-Juku II / Atsushi Umebori
deep fear / Ryuichi Katsumata
@@VegetableStudio
OH MY GOODNESS THANKS BRO :)
@@VegetableStudio would plz sahre the settings for thae head light and tail light stuff
@@user-pd2mc1gh6w there a full playlist for all thoses
...Is it only me that it looks like/works like G29?
所以簡單來說新手買T300對身體比較好😂😂
比較不容易開到中風是真的
what a terrible step backwards for thrustmaster to go 900° max instead of 1080
This is probably for newcomers
when the fuck are you gonna use those 180 degrees? to turn even more into a corner when you understeer?
@@MrDragonballz2011 bro you may have no clue why it matters. and its gonna stay that way for now.
@@racerwilson152 yeah I guess but this is alarming nonetheless. it's not like we have a ton of wheels to choose from in the affordable price range
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j said another clueless guy
Welches Game ?
Gran Turismo 7 and Assetto Corsa
4:10
Rip FD
Personally i dont like the looks of the T248 but I've never had a wheel and if would I'd probably choose the g923
as you have a G29, I have to say that ... this steering wheel is very good for beginners, but when you are playing more serious driving, unfortunately it can not demand you, you have to support it yourself, the pedals themselves have a pleasant, though weak, stroke in my opinion compared to the competition. (which does not mean that this steering wheel is bad only if you think ahead, I would advise you to look at manufacturers other than logitech)
@@incogni7376 I agree. A few months back I bought a G923 because I wanted to play Assetto Corsa since it's horrific on controller. I ended up not doing enough research and now I'm regretting my decision. It's not a terrible wheel, but the FFB is lackluster and doesn't provide enough feedback to properly control the car the way I want to. I probably could have gotten a T300 instead for the same price. Now I'm looking into getting that or a direct drive wheel.
@@Noneya_Business69 You see, I bought the new G29 all set for $ 119 cheaper than the cheapest T300 option and the price was the deciding factor
just get a t300 for the same price
@@OhKnow379 Do you hear yourself?
In most cases, the t300 is much more expensive than the G29. (In my country, the price difference is huge)
So basically the gear ratio is short af which makes drifting very hard. Bruh
I’d save a little longer and go Fanatec… buy once cry once.
i’ve had both these wheels.
the t300 is Zion’s in front.
the 248 is highly disappointing, it’s loud and has horrible vibrations!
the only good thing is the screen..
highly recommend not buying it!
作者是台灣人嗎
沒錯喔～
Easy hack for the shifters... Just throw rubber bands in there. Problem solved
結論 有T300可以不用買XD
Looks like it's biggest issue is the weak motor, bet it could be fixed with a good hobby grade R/c motor swap.
Some users have posted about motor swaps on the TMX/T150. Although it does certainly increase speed - they report the torque was minimally increased due to the hybrid design. If it is possible to change the motor on the T248 then I'd doubt there would be much difference because of how limiting the gear mechanism is to the belt drive.
Gran turismo músic PS2 🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️😍
everything is good and all but PLASTIC RIM uhh💀
T300 is much faster = better for drifting
That review was s e x y ~ 🥴
my friend got this against my suggestion, and it's trash in every way doesn't even self center, the only good thing going for it are the buttons and pedals, and even it's not worth the price tag, my friend played it for two days I played it once and he sent it back, he's getting the t300, even the g920 is better than the t248 in terms of feel, etc the plastic etc feels bad and is not comfortable and really just looks like a toy honestly
Why this wheel looks like something cheap plastic wheel from china
T300rs is batter
I own this ⚓, don't buy, pedals are ok I guess.
A year later and there's now a SIGNIFICANT price gap. 🤷 The T248 is $300 while the T300RS GT is $450 AND has worse pedals. When it was only like a +$50 price gap stepping up to the T300RS GT made ALLLL the sense in the world, inferior pedals and all, but at +$150??? That's a much, MUCH harder decision.