This debate between Maturidi and Ash'ari is absolutely fascinating. It's not just about abstract theology but cuts to the heart of how we engage with faith and the divine. Maturidi’s nuanced embrace of reason as a divine gift challenges us to see intellectual inquiry as a path toward understanding God, while Ash'ari’s caution reminds us of the limits of human intellect in the face of divine revelation. What’s compelling here is how these debates aren't just academic; they shape how Muslims interpret free will, morality, and even God’s nature today. Their exchange highlights the complexity and diversity of Islamic thought-something we often overlook.
There is no difference between Asharis and Maturidis when it comes to Qadr. In fact, in pretty much everything mentioned in the video, the two imams would agree. It appears to be the case that the video is imposing the view of the mutazilah upon imam maturidi.
very informative these videos not only show the philosophical thinking of the original authors but also of those who they disagreed with in a simple easy to understand way, thanks a lot for making these videos.
I am a turk Maturidi and I support the Asharis 100 out of 100. May Allah make the Sunnites permanent and protect them from the heresy of the mujassimah (Wahhabism and Neo-Salafism)
‘It is not possible that the world in which reason is foundational is based on other than wisdom or is futile’. - Al-Māturīdī, Kitāb al-tawh.īd, p. 67.
Please explain your methodology for generating debate. Do you feed them complete books, or do they just debate using general language/ knowledge? @Attic
Could you make the following debate next time: Ibn Sīnā vs al-Ghazālī Their debate based on these topics: · Theory of a pre-eternal World; Either God created the world in time or not. · Platonic Forms; That God knows only the universal characteristics of particulars. · Bodily resurrection; If it will take place in the hereafter of if it is for the souls only that will be resurrected. Would appreciate that 🙌🏻
Thanks brother, but please remove the music. For me personally (as well as most people) we believe music is haram, as such I wouldn’t listen to the video. Had there been no music I would’ve gladly listened.
Even tho it is, if it is the background of something we can still watch. We are not listening to music to enjoy, we are watching a video to learn more about Islam. This channel i believe is also run by a nonmuslim. It's not our right to demand of the owner of this channel something that they themselves may not even believe. Let the masses enjoy, and learn, and inshallah come closer to Islam. Remember even tho music is Haram, it allows because Allah allows it to, therefore its existence has a reason beyond our understanding
@@zigzagzallakabam4823 I’ll ask you one thing: Is it best to have music in the background or not to have it islamically speaking? Secondly, all his videos are about Islam and Islamic philosophy what makes you think he isn’t a Muslim? Even if he’s not Muslim, majority of his followers and views are from Muslims so we should demand this from him.
@@servantofthemostmerciful7985 that's more than one question. I will answer your first question with a question. If produced by a Muslim for Muslims, it should not contain music, however, what is considered to be "music" according to the fuquha based upon the Quran and Sunnah?
@@zigzagzallakabam4823 well you made multiple points in your first reply and I responded, so it is my right to ask multiple questions and your responsibility to answer. Music is that which contains musical instruments (which is the one mentioned in the Hadith) such as piano, guitar etc. (except drums cuz it is authentically reported in the sunnah).
@@servantofthemostmerciful7985 "I'll ask you one thing" your exact words. Also, partially correct. There are differences upon other instruments such as wind instruments, and other percussion instruments such as the triangle. Also, voices that cannot be made beautiful besides tajwid and the voice of a woman who beautifies her vocals outside of tajwid. Currently scholars differ upon whether electric noises are considered music or not, and the way in which we can take vocals and make sounds similar to instruments from them with current technology. Are we then able to analyze and decide whether the "music" in this video fits any prohibited definition? And considering the leeway within difference of opinion, does the matter of music in this video, perhaps by a nonmuslim, mean we throw the proverbial "baby out with the bathwater?" Or should we focus our efforts on improving our local community and teaching others, especially in matters of ie: riba, zina, shirk etc?
Their ikhtilaf can be summed up as follows: Ashari: human beings have the free will to carry out voluntary actions for which he is rewarded or punished, and that will of his is created by Allah. Maturidi: Whatever a human being will do is written down in his destiny. It is not that a human being is compelled to do what is in his destiny but that what he will do is known to Allah and is written down.
@@The-Last-Rain That's wrong brother for the Ashaira' and Maturidis' their is no will but choice. They believe in God Omnipotence (Power). Human only chooses to choose "x" and the act "y" is created by God.
@@The-Last-Rain yes they believe will is created by Allah, but they differ on the nature of kasb, due to which they come to very different conclusions.
@@WaleedMukhtar-zj7zs Asharis surely believe in human will, but believe that this will is created by Allah. So when a person wills to do something that will is created by Allah.
There is no free will... we are products of our environment and past. Our ancestors help make us what we are today. We will live on through our offspring.
This debate between Maturidi and Ash'ari is absolutely fascinating. It's not just about abstract theology but cuts to the heart of how we engage with faith and the divine. Maturidi’s nuanced embrace of reason as a divine gift challenges us to see intellectual inquiry as a path toward understanding God, while Ash'ari’s caution reminds us of the limits of human intellect in the face of divine revelation. What’s compelling here is how these debates aren't just academic; they shape how Muslims interpret free will, morality, and even God’s nature today. Their exchange highlights the complexity and diversity of Islamic thought-something we often overlook.
There is no difference between Asharis and Maturidis when it comes to Qadr. In fact, in pretty much everything mentioned in the video, the two imams would agree. It appears to be the case that the video is imposing the view of the mutazilah upon imam maturidi.
Indeed both are very similar but maturidi goes very far regarding the attribute of Allah and consider lagic to fundamental part of theology
The mistake is from that horrible mutazili translation of kitab tawheed by that imposter who pretends to be maturity but is really mutazili
@@gash_tarukh consensus says no
They have many differences
very informative these videos not only show the philosophical thinking of the original authors but also of those who they disagreed with in a simple easy to understand way, thanks a lot for making these videos.
I am a turk Maturidi and I support the Asharis 100 out of 100. May Allah make the Sunnites permanent and protect them from the heresy of the mujassimah (Wahhabism and Neo-Salafism)
Salafi (athari) is the most appropriate position. The likes Ahmad ibn Hambal and Ibn Taymiyyah
Applying Tafwid is the safest position
Awesome 👏🏽 thanks for creating such a quality content ❤
‘It is not possible that the world in which reason is foundational is based on other than wisdom or is futile’.
- Al-Māturīdī, Kitāb al-tawh.īd, p. 67.
Wow! Another interesting and creative video.
Interesting which creed do u follow though just curious may Allah bless u
Jazakallah khair for creating this High quality content on islamic philosophy and history, Keep it up 👍
Athari vs ashari/maturidi would be nice
We need Al Ghazali Vs Mulla Sadra, the great shia philosopher
Timeless creation❤
Please explain your methodology for generating debate. Do you feed them complete books, or do they just debate using general language/ knowledge? @Attic
al Tabari vs Fakruddin al Razzi
Al tabari easy
How do you create such great content?
Nice debate
Could you make the following debate next time:
Ibn Sīnā vs al-Ghazālī
Their debate based on these topics:
· Theory of a pre-eternal World; Either God created the world in time or not.
· Platonic Forms; That God knows only the universal characteristics of particulars.
· Bodily resurrection; If it will take place in the hereafter of if it is for the souls only that will be resurrected.
Would appreciate that 🙌🏻
That is a good one
Amazing...
Please make debates between the 4 schools of thought - Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali!
Those are fiqh issues well beyond the level of this channel
Thanks brother, but please remove the music. For me personally (as well as most people) we believe music is haram, as such I wouldn’t listen to the video. Had there been no music I would’ve gladly listened.
Even tho it is, if it is the background of something we can still watch. We are not listening to music to enjoy, we are watching a video to learn more about Islam. This channel i believe is also run by a nonmuslim. It's not our right to demand of the owner of this channel something that they themselves may not even believe. Let the masses enjoy, and learn, and inshallah come closer to Islam. Remember even tho music is Haram, it allows because Allah allows it to, therefore its existence has a reason beyond our understanding
@@zigzagzallakabam4823 I’ll ask you one thing:
Is it best to have music in the background or not to have it islamically speaking?
Secondly, all his videos are about Islam and Islamic philosophy what makes you think he isn’t a Muslim?
Even if he’s not Muslim, majority of his followers and views are from Muslims so we should demand this from him.
@@servantofthemostmerciful7985 that's more than one question. I will answer your first question with a question.
If produced by a Muslim for Muslims, it should not contain music, however, what is considered to be "music" according to the fuquha based upon the Quran and Sunnah?
@@zigzagzallakabam4823 well you made multiple points in your first reply and I responded, so it is my right to ask multiple questions and your responsibility to answer.
Music is that which contains musical instruments (which is the one mentioned in the Hadith) such as piano, guitar etc. (except drums cuz it is authentically reported in the sunnah).
@@servantofthemostmerciful7985 "I'll ask you one thing" your exact words.
Also, partially correct. There are differences upon other instruments such as wind instruments, and other percussion instruments such as the triangle.
Also, voices that cannot be made beautiful besides tajwid and the voice of a woman who beautifies her vocals outside of tajwid.
Currently scholars differ upon whether electric noises are considered music or not, and the way in which we can take vocals and make sounds similar to instruments from them with current technology.
Are we then able to analyze and decide whether the "music" in this video fits any prohibited definition? And considering the leeway within difference of opinion, does the matter of music in this video, perhaps by a nonmuslim, mean we throw the proverbial "baby out with the bathwater?" Or should we focus our efforts on improving our local community and teaching others, especially in matters of ie: riba, zina, shirk etc?
the differences of opinion aren't exactly accurate and are complex than this
THE HIGHEST ACT OF FREE WILL IS SEEKING GOD, NOT SITTING N WARMING OR BUTTS ON GOODNESS AND BADNESS RELATED TOPICS
The world hasn't seen the likes of imam Ghazali
Their ikhtilaf can be summed up as follows:
Ashari: human beings have the free will to carry out voluntary actions for which he is rewarded or punished, and that will of his is created by Allah.
Maturidi: Whatever a human being will do is written down in his destiny. It is not that a human being is compelled to do what is in his destiny but that what he will do is known to Allah and is written down.
That’s the same thing. Both ashari and maturidi believe the will is created by Allah
@@The-Last-Rain That's wrong brother for the Ashaira' and Maturidis' their is no will but choice. They believe in God Omnipotence (Power). Human only chooses to choose "x" and the act "y" is created by God.
@@The-Last-Rain yes they believe will is created by Allah, but they differ on the nature of kasb, due to which they come to very different conclusions.
@@WaleedMukhtar-zj7zs Asharis surely believe in human will, but believe that this will is created by Allah. So when a person wills to do something that will is created by Allah.
@@WaleedMukhtar-zj7zs There is no difference between willing to do something and choosing it. If there is no will, there is no choice
Terribly misinformative, this video does not represent the position of Imam Maturidi.
In what way?
I was thinking that it made him sound like a Mutazilite
Correct. It does not. Imam Maturidi believes everything is preordained, like the rest of Ahlus Sunnah.
@@PercivalDark Imam Maturidi does not disagree with the Asha'ira on any of these Masala. both groups agree that naql > Aql, both believe in Kasb, etc.
@@samrezvani3299 correct.
I suppose you are Pakistani; kindly make it in Urdu too for better comprehension.
NO PICS OR PORTRAITS PLEASE
There is no free will... we are products of our environment and past. Our ancestors help make us what we are today. We will live on through our offspring.