Game Apologist - Knuckles Chaotix
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Welcome to the 32X World of Knuckles Chaotix! One of the most divisive titles from the days of classic Sonic! We're going to take an extensive look at this wonderful oddity of a videogame and finally wrap up our extended Chaotix marathon. Grab on to your sling-ring and hold tight. It's going to get weird.
Thank you to everyone who helped out on this episode. Please be sure to check out the amazing music:
Door Into Summer Remix by Trey Nobles - • Door Into Summer: Junk...
This Horizon (Dance Remix) by My New Sountrack - • Knuckles Chaotix - Thi...
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Yeah the game may be Fundamentally Flawed™ but I'm really glad it exists for the aesthetic alone, I can't tell you how much mileage I've gotten out of the soundtrack.
Cybershell comment 12 minutes ago pog
Hi cyberdaddy
Funamentally Flawed™ should really be applied to other Sonic games.
@maltese 0217 Don't think about it, the results are the same. In fact, in that scenario it becomes worse
The soundtrack is pretty good
Shadow's game: Guns and vehicles
Tails' game: Bombs, napalm and vehicles
Knuckles' game: R I N G
Tails and shadow both have committed multiple war crimes
@@trace3710 & Knuckles... th-cam.com/video/eorgoEEx2FE/w-d-xo.html
@Não Sei big the cat's game: *fishing*
@@trace3710 They both use lethal weapons only for good , idiot+ratio+touch grass .
@@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther- sounds legit.
Nick's wife is called Not Nick? Truly it was fate, that the two would be together.
So that's who she was! I actually thought it was his sister or something... But hey, Nick's married! With Not Nick! Good for them!
@@Mike14264 Bro, he literally said "someone who was bonded to him with a ring in real life" how could you not tell
@@ruccsacc I was referring to the first time we saw her, back in that April 1st video about the PS Vita. Back then, I had no idea who she was.
“Finally, a worthy partner. Our marriage will be legendary.”
Wonder if she's a doctor.
Fun Fact: the word "apologist" actually had nothing to do with apologising for anything. It comes from the Greek word apologia, which is a legal term meaning "a formal defense of one's opinions or conduct". So definitely an accurate name for the channel even if you were to never apologise for any games - you are making a formal defense for your opinions 👍🏻
Fun fact: I don’t have one
@@jateyboi1108 Do you have any unfun facts?
The faces he draws are just so expressive. Also knuckles looks like he's just trying to get this game over with to try and get to another stand alone title.
That’s what Nick wanted to convey, I think.
IIRC Sonic was ment to be the main character in the game but Sega changed it when they realized how "experimental" the game was and made Knux the fall guy.
With that context in mind, Knuxs expression in the thumbnail only makes more sense.
@@lynxfresh5214
I already knew that, why did you have to type this?
@@lynxfresh5214 Everyone knows that by now, bud.
A solo knuckles game in the vain of breath of the wild would be amazing! Think about it! He can already glide and climb most any surface has a ton of combat potential and you'd have an entire HUGE island to explore and it floating gives the map borders some validity. How have we not got this already?!
"This level is called... Speed Slider."
The way he said that just floors me xD
He has consistently great delivery
He replies with mhm
SCD: I can explain
S1 & S2: you get widescreen ports on almost all platforms
S3&K: you guys get ports all the time
KC: you guys are getting ports?
Man... Knuckles chaotix special stage but... *S M O O T H*
Chaotix says what’s a port? 🤷🏾♂️🤔
@Anime Rocksteady Knuckles and the Fucking Chaotix
S06: you guys have fans
Sonic unleashed mobile: U guys are getting remembered
This thumbnail is absolute gold.
I like it 2
Grumpy boi pulling grumpy boi
LEL
@@dan8er709 lol
I am right there with you.
Alternate Title: The Game Apologist loses his friends.
I loved the cameos of TH-camrs and game devs I barely know.
Cybershell:I don’t even know who you are!
One of the biggest hidden gems when it comes to Sonic soundtracks. As a kid with a 32X, I played this game a ton even though I knew it stunk compared to the Genesis Sonics
Also, the 32X Doom is definitely not the worst version. 3DO Doom is straight trash
@@rakohus 32X Doom actually looked nice and ran smooth. Just that awful GEMS driven soundtrack...
A kid with a 32X? You people actually _existed!?_ Next you'll be saying you owned a Neo Geo 😄
@@rakohus I keep being told, looks like im gonna have to track down the 3DO version!
Whatever is playing in the credits here? This is F I R E
Fun fact: espio still has his wall cling in sonic heroes but only during his triangle jump.
yea it was a nice touch. As flawed as that game was you gotta appreciate the attention to detail the game has.
Sonic heroes was good imp.
Every speed character can do this in sonic heroes
@@austria-hungary7680 What I mean is he never comes off the wall, any other character eventually falls off if you don't continue jumping
@@legdig I know that
The thumbnail is just people playing the game together
One wants it to get over with
The other refuses to continue
Looks like Nick doesn't want to be dragged into this. But Knuckles isn't leaving him off the hook.
Imagine how Not Nick feels
Just when he thought he was out
Excellent work, as always, man! I've never heard anyone elucidate what it was like to experience Chaotix as a kid in the 90s, and that really resonated with me, because it matched my experience. I owned the rest of the series on Genesis and Game Gear, and could dig into them as much as I wanted. But I could only play Sonic CD and Chaotix on those rare occasions, maybe two or three times a year, when my parents would let me rent a Sega CD or 32X for a weekend. Like you said, my time with them was like a dream, and because of that, they both had this air of special mystique to them.
sonic CD > sonic 1 and the game gear sonic games
@@Godspeedss2 not Triple Trouble. Triple Trouble is a bit better
@@supercamborg4218 than CD? not a chance
@@Godspeedss2 absolutely better than CD. CD is mid
@@supercamborg4218 The sonic game gear games play and look like dog water and the sound design sucks only good thing about TT was fang imo
Not Nick: “I sat down and played with Nick”
Nick: “Yep”
Is no one saying phrasing anymore?
Well it's my wife. So.
@@GameApologist I know, I was more surprised you didn’t add in a chuckle or a “nice”
I usually roll with "thats what she said" but close enough.
@@GameApologist just giving the most chad response😂
I didn’t even know this game HAD a 2 player mode.
(Also I bought a 32x just to play chaotix.)
Fun fact: Chaotix was actually intended to be included in the Gems Collection but apparently they were having issues with the emulation.
yesterday im like “why hasn’t he covered knuckles chaotix but mentioned it so many times”
today i’m irrelevant
Poopy
Listening to you and your wife discuss the two-player experience was awesome! It was cool of her to do that with you. Your conversation reminded me of playing Chaotix with my brothers.
This vid was so worth the wait!
Honestly I feel like most of the problems with the tether could have been avoided by simply giving the player the ability to turn on an off the tether physics. With the physics off, the second character still follows around the player character in single player similar to Tails in Sonic 2, but doesn't pull at the player at all, nor does the player pull on them. At the press of a button, you can enable and disable those tether physics to make use of it when you want it without having to deal with it holding you back. Just imagine the new skill ceiling that would be created by giving the player that kind of power. That's the kind of thing I would love to see explored in a future game such as Mania 2.
There is a way, hold the b button while on your partner's position.
My birthday just keeps getting better with coincidences, first the direct, literallynoone birthday video, and now this. It's great.
DUDE HAPPY BIRTHDAY. I'm honored you're spending part of your day with my goofy video. Thank you.
@@GameApologist It has been a great build up to this video. It being my birthday just made the arrival much sweeter.
Happy belated birthday
happy late birthday
Fun fact: the current villain of the IDW comics, Starline, is inspired by Wechnia's level select name and his general color scheme
he made a video about that...
44:56 I was also quite disappointed that Chaotix wasn't on Sonic Gems. It seemed for a while that Sega was bringing every Sonic game they ever made onto the GameCube or PS2. Advnture 1 & 2 were remade. The Mega Collection included all of the Genesis Sonic games and even threw in Flicky and Ristar. MC+ threw in 6 of the Game Gear Sonics.
Gems was made to fill out the roster for the CD, Saturn, and the rest of the Game Gear, but somehow the old 32x was ignored.
Every non-arcade Sonic game made up to that generation was available in Gen 6, with 2 exceptions. Sonic Pocket Adventure, which is basically a reworked Sonic 2, and Knuckles Chaotix. Even the arcade title Sonic Fighters made it into Gems.
They sent out all of those Sonic games, all of the spinoffs, and even several non-Sonic Sega games, but they still wouldn't make room for Knuckles Chaotix. Out of nearly 40 games Chaotix was still kept off the list. That's just insulting.
There’s clear evidence it was to be included, as a whole area of the museum is devoted to Chaotix artwork. The official reason given by Sega as to why the game was left out is stated as “emulation issues” (probably also why Sonic CD on Gems Collection uses the heavily inferior 1996 PC port).
@@Mechasonicrocks Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like excuses honestly. Knuckles Chaotix was available on GameTap before that service shut down in 2015, so clearly it must have ran fine when it existed. Unless some really weird stuff happened when they tried to emulate it.
@@ThePlayerinBed I agree, but the crucial aspect would be to find out when GameTap first added "Knuckles Chaotix" to their library of playable games and then compare that date to when Sega started development on Gems Collection. If Gems started development further back in the timeline, it's entirely possible Sega ran into some headaches trying to get Chaotix emulated correctly. This might also be why they chose the inferior 1996 Windows PC port of Sonic CD over the 1993 Mega CD/Sega CD original.
@@Mechasonicrocks From what I've seen, Knuckles Chaotix was available on the service around 2007. 2 years after Gems Collection came out, but like you said, Gems Collections development could've been back even further. And if it wasn't, well a lot can change in only 2 years.
@@ThePlayerinBed Exactly. Two years tech-wise is actually quite substantial because the software and console systems were in constant change and I wouldn't be surprised if the team behind Gems had issues with emulation. Remember, Gems was released on several different consoles in multiple regions...Which, depending on how far back they started work on Gems, may indeed have impacted their ability to emulate titles in a collection where most are sourced from add-ons (Sonic CD, Knuckles Chaotix) or consoles known for having hardware designs that caused issues regarding programming games (Sega Saturn, Sonic R). If I remember correctly, I think the team even ended up using the Windows PC port of Sonic R instead of the original Saturn version (I could be wrong on that one).
The thumbnail reminds me of my parents dragging me to school
Lol
What is up with people saying lol
Lol
@@theceoofeggmansempire5214
Hello there friend
Fun fact:this guy collected all time stones and got repeated good futures in sonic cd!
@@0sharkyshakes126 thx for promotion, and also i made two vids how to beat WW act 1 for a good future (ok guess i'll delete second part and'll make remake of it)
Oh how could i forgot, hi Jolt
I can't wait of him to finally talk about this game btw Mighty and Espio are my boi's when I play Knuckles Chaotix
Hell yeah
Honestly Knuckles Chaotix is like my ultimate guilty pleasure game, even though most people think it's terrible it still holds a very special place in my heart!
Would you mind elaborating? No hate just curious about different views. I tried once and couldn't vibe with the tethering. But I love the Aethetic!
The game looks beautiful but the gameplay is just not fun or good.
same despite it's flaws I absolutely love this game.
to be fair a lot of the Fundamentally Flawed™ (as Cybershell put it in his comment) or "Bad" sonic games are still fun to just tool around in. For me the guilty pleasure game was shadow the hedgehog, until '06 came out. It was that because some of the levels and the bosses in Shadow just had great music and some of '06s mechanics are just hilarious like the gems sonic could get for his shoes.
I feel ya, I unironically love Sonic Free Riders.
The singing at 35:14 is genuinely impressive for a guest's cameo.
Me: sets reminder
Reminder when premier starts: 😴
Me: damn it.
I'm just gonna go ahead and defend the multiplayer in this game too, it's such chaotic (ha!) fun, THAT is what made me love this game.
I dunno why, but the outro kind of hit me in the heart for a sec there. Never seen such a hard look on Knuckles' Chaotix before and I can def say that I'm glad I did now.
So glad to see Not Nick back! Not Nick is delightful
Edit: And Nick, too, of course!
"And a bird shmup" is one of the best lines that i dont get of all time.
The game he showed the box art of was a shoot-em-up (shmup) where you play as a hummingbird.
Nick, you knocked this one out of the weird Robotnik theme park. I also owned this solely for Chaotix, and my brothers and I got so much more mileage out of this for the same reasons you and your wife enjoyed it. Thank you for including her, by the way, getting the perspective of a non-Sonic fan was enlightening and engaging.
Not a game I necessarily love, but has a lot I appreciate about it. Metal Sonic Kai is still one of the coolest things in the franchise for me, that design has such a terrifying aura that it'd fit right in a Sci-Fi horror.
I won’t be around for it, as I’ll be at work. But hope everyone enjoys watching, and thanks Nick! We appreciate you greatly!
heroes is Knuckles Chaotix it has Chaotix , Knuckles , and metal sonic
This debuts halfways through my first class
still gonna watch it
Lol
Do what u want pal
Same here lol
I’m glad I was able to catch the back end of the premier. I finally was able to watch the whole thing and damn my dude. Not only do you convey your thoughts really freakin well, but you’re able to be genuinely entertaining through and through. Your longer videos are some of my favorites. Keep it up bro and thank you for including some of my music in the vid! It truly means a lot!
This man has now made three hours of videos to discussing Knuckles's's Chaotix. That's what I call dedicated.
If NOTHING else, this game gave us Door Into Summer.
Thank you, Tee Lopes.
Bro cybershell being in this vid made my fucking day. You both are great.
At long last. The chaotix review is here after months of great content! It feels like the end of an era tbh.
"Don't buy a 32x Just to play knuckles Chaotix"
About that...
Great video sir! I love when Chaotix videos pop up, it makes me feel validated for finally buying the beautiful, overpriced, relaxing, labyrinthine mess! 😎👍 I always wanted it way back when I was a teenager and I kept putting it off, but then I got the chance to pick up a cheap 32x with a few carts so I tracked it down and fell in love with it, warts and all 😍 I think I'll have a run through it tomorrow in celebration of watching this video 😁🎊🎉
Man that's exactly how i feel about this game. I never played this as a kid (i was born in '99), and i knew it's existence but never really played it until recently, i always thought it was just a weird sega game that didn't even function properly, but something about it always made it so intriguing to me.
I'm glad i played it because it's one of the most unique experiences i've ever had, the graphics, music, the theme of the levels, it all fits so well together in a way i just can't describe, the game feels more like a playground, just to have some fun, not exactly for any kind of challenge.
I think the game would work way better if it didn't focus on being a sonic game, this game feels like it could work like a collect-a-thon, having collectables, objectives and npcs to interact, maybe connecting all the stages together and having a hub connecting them all instead of picking a stage.
I dunno man i love this game so much, it's one of those experiences that only the genesis could provide.
It’s here it’s here it’s finally here.
Only 6 hours and 53 minutes to go
Huh 6 more hours and 52 minutes to go.
I'd love to watch this live but it premieres at 5am in Canberra
For me premieres at 8 pm. I wonder when does it premiere where Nick lives.
I’ve never heard of Canberra. Ya learn supm new everyday.
@@ghettokage6104 Most people think Sydney is the capital of Australia. I have heaps of videos on Canberra if you want to learn more
@@TheAdventuresofRussell Ok. Sure I'd love to
Another great video Mr. Apologist, loved the new credits too
The long awaited review of this game. The is single handily the most justice, unbiased review I can now claim for this most in depth experienced coverage for this game. And The Chaotix as a whole. What an excellent way to end this series. I still wished it was given a second shot, and given a proper rerelease. :p
Nick is losing all his friends over opinions of Sonic games
Honestly the thing i love the most about Chaotix and Sonic CD even is the atmosphere of the game, i just love to enter the wacky psychedelic world of those games when playing them and fantasize about them, the art and music is so beautiful, better than the gameplay even imo
YOOOOO SAME Sonic CD is honestly my favorite game of all time since its my 1st sonic game and even one of the 1st games ive ever played! I adore how the levels look and the music is top notch. Though im not gonna beat around the bush and defend its flaws haha. Tho ive havent played chaotix, but i like how it looks and sounds, and door into summer is absolutely one of my fav songs in general
very true
Nice appearance from Game Apologistress. Never thought about the potential of this as a multiplayer experience
Can't wait for the premiere!
@Anime Rocksteady yep
5 bucks says he got a playful smack for "Toot-toot, Wifey Warrior". :P
I wish he talked about how the 32X’s marketing was basically console sex, also Knuckles Chaotix was planned to be on the gems collection along with game like Sega Sonic the Hedgehog. They decided to not for “hardware limitations” which for Sega Sonic I understand but there is no way a 32x game couldn’t run on GameCube.
It is going to be good
I may never play this, but somehow, after all the videos, it has gained some space in my heart, weird right? Hahaha, great video man, I can't wait for more content in your channel!
I forgot that Nick wasn't a simp nerd but a married nerd
That big ol' red final boss was nightmare fuel to young teen me. I saw that maw and memories flooded back to me. I loved this game so much, and it was definitely because of the music and Sound Test. Door Into Summer is still one of my favorite songs
I've been talking about the multiplayer in this FOR YEARS. FINALLY someone else is talking about it XD
When you work in... TANDEM?
g-gettit? like, because there's two...characters...?
Nice to the Chaotix Arc come to a good closing. Now how about that Adventure Arc? :)))
I’m so excited!
Sing out you heroes!
Seeing a new game apologist makes me happy.
ESPECIALLY about Sonic.
Gives me hope as a fellow Iowan with the dream of doing what you do ;).
Taking into account your idea of Knuckles Chaotix focusing on Heavy and Bomb. How well would the game have been received if it had been developed around the two robots with Team Chaotix as characters you unlock by progressing through the game?
I love the idea of that progression, but you'd still have to rework the game to take better advantage of all these mechanics.
Got so excited waking up to see this... And it's a coming attraction reminder .... Ohhhhh the anticipation!
"coming attraction reminder"
What even is this word salad?
Just say premiere...
You wanted all of this Knuckles Knovember to come out in one month?!? I'll gladly take the extra months if it leads to the polish like this video. Congrats on another *unapologetic*ally good video!
My guy really calling me out for having the 3DS Amiibo adapter and still actively using it
And alas, Ben retired his alien career to be a TH-cam game reviewer, changing his name in the process.
If you like a full game thats just like these cool special stages there is the mobile/flash game run. (No advertisment, just a recommendation) °^°
Nick, thanks so much for being the biggest bro of last year (and this one so far) and covering all of this excellent material. The fact that you've trucked through Chaotix like you have while still providing your usual other content is staggering, tremendously so. I am proud to be one of your subscribers, and I, along with many here, will always support the passion that you exhume whenever you've got the mic about all these old games from our childhood. Toot-toot, Game Apologist!
It's great to see this channel grow. Love the content and the balance of humor, discussion, and analysis.
Was this man really planning to pump these all out by the end of November?
I wasn't even planning on the six videos I did release that month, but I kept getting more video ideas and... Well here we are.
Aye, quality is quality
You can release a video every other year for all I care, it’s good content 👌
@@GameApologist Congrats on producing all this content! Thanks for the videos Nick!
I'd give many things for S3 to have the tether mechanic when i was a kid, the lack of proper multiplayer was really frustrating. And i still hope mb one day someone will make a mod with it. Too bad sonic classic heroes only has the first two games and mania didn't even have it as an option in &knukles mode. Also the game has great atmosphere and aesthetic, the art and music are godly. Chaotix's ost is probably my favorite in the series (btw now that i think about it, 8-bit Music Theory has a great video about the ost, very recommended
Theres a mod for it in sonic 3 air
@@shyguy85 they were discontinued unfortunately, so they still don't work properly a lot of the times. But yeah, I played them with my niece couples times and they were quite a lot of fun anyway tho
there's so much heart in this video, and it really really shows
Incredible review. Loved your whole Chaotix series! Great job and the whole thing! 👏🏿
4:06 Kolibiri was actually a pretty interesting game, and for the time it looked absolutely gorgeous with highly detailed sprites and lush backgrounds. It isn't much by today's standards, and it certainly isn't worth $100+ just to play it on the original cartridge.
Those faces look at them they are epic pure epic faces
I've seldom clicked on a video so fast, but I've been waiting on this video since this series started! It's finally here! Great work!
Amazing how you've been able to talk and analyze about Chaotix for almost 4 months straight. But it worked, because I really want to try it out someday soon!! Thank you for all the great videos!
Yo, Gilly can sing
Damn can’t wait!
These capstone videos are always so fun. Love seeing how much you improve with each video.
Brilliant video dude, subscribed! I love Knuckles Chaotix too I find it so fun and relaxing
It took me a sec to process Nick referring to his wife as someone bonded to him by a ring. Top tier joke 10/10 lol
Honestly, I think Knuckles Chaotix kinda looks fun. I might play it.
17:05-- How I felt when I first played this game years ago...
I've only ever played this game co-op and I had a ton of fun as a kid. You gotta realise upto this point, the 2 player Sonic experience was being Tails and getting left behind. This game puts both players on a level playing field, so that alone was fantastic as a kid. Having said that, literally never played this game since it released and I probably won't cos it'll just tarnish those memories.
20 other people here and no one is chatting...
He’s just delaying for years for adventure but it could be how long he makes these
AHHHHHH! The video we all been waiting for! THE CONCLUSION TO CHAOTIX NOVEMBER!!! This has been such an awesome series! The deep dive break down of this game! This has been so good! Thanks Nick! Look forward to the next series and other future videos! Toot Toot!!
Just started this one, been looking forward to it for YEARS, gotta say I absolutely love it so far! Maybe I'm enjoying it more because I knew what to expect? Idk but I've been having a blast
I’ve always liked Chaotix, despite its multitude of issues.
Great thumbnail.
For me, with my personal history with the game, it took on a sort of mythical quality. I actually had a 32X as a kid (mom got it on clearance at Blockbuster for $15) and I remember getting Chaotix at a Walmart, and the cartridge.. would just freeze up randomly. None of my other 32X games had that problem, and it turned out the game had corrosion on the contacts, so I returned it, and the copy I exchanged it for had the same issue... and when I returned that copy, they Walmart associate told me that the entire shipment had to be recalled, and that they weren't going to be getting any more 32X games at all.
So, I had this childhood snapshot of the game permanently in my mind, almost like a "lost" Sonic game, and it wasn't until I started watching TH-cam that I ever even saw gameplay of the game again.
I hope one day it can get a modern rerelease in some compilation or another, if nothing else for its value as a part of Sonic's history
"Wtf is a Sonic?"
That JonTron reference.
And your voice in that sketch, so JonTron too! Haha
I was feeling you were being too negative, but then the second half came in. And then you just nailed it
Chaotix is like an amusement ride, depending on your tastes and tolerance for lack of polish results may very
Also, damn Nick. You killed it with the editing at the end, and lastly. Your wife was wonderfully articulate
I remember playing this game and being annoyed at the fact that it wasn't the sonic 4 I wanted(and it would be years before sonic 4 would actually make me feel depressed). I do like this game however, and actually got the best opening, and Door into summer and Just another day are still in my playlist today, over a decade and a half later. It's a decent game.
Also, why was wild wild west so much better as a kid? I watched that movie as an adult and while it holds a special place in my childhood memories, it's a pretty bad movie.
I’m so glad I found this channel. After November Chaotix, I made it a point to go through and replay each Sonic game I had access to while analyzing it through a “critical” lense. I looked at how the game taught its players, how they built up the mechanics, and the creative platforming that still holds up today. I love seeing the risks. I found myself smiling and laughing at stage hazards that “unfairly” stole my rings or killed me because I didn’t know what was coming. I just beat Sonic Mania and it gave me a whole new appreciation for how willing it was to return to the spirit of the Genesis era. I hope I get a chance to play Chaotix soon. I also need to get ahold of pretty much all the 3D titles that weren’t the Adventure games or Shadow.
This channel makes me want to delve in to all the games to see what they were trying to do. I have always been a Sonic fan, but now I feel equipped to be a Sonic expert... mostly by quoting you and trying to sound smart. Thank you!
I absolutely loved your deep dive into all things chaotix it made me think about a lot of things I never have, and I also got my hands on a copy of the game and am interested to play it!