Patrick has such great wisdom and had me hanging for more. Great artist and so humble. What a stunning podcast. Thank you so much. These 4 hours went by way too quickly.
I am a painting conservator and can answer the paintings conservation question: copper supports last for longer as the copper does not absorb moisture and the support does not expand or contract- i.e.this means the paint layer doesn't move over time. Many wooden supports (and latterly canvas supports) up until the nineteenth century were renowned for cracking because the support expands and contracts with moisture, but ALSO from the addition of rabbit skin glue traditionally used in the gesso ground. Rabbit skin glue is notorious for absorbing moisture. Imagine the ground layer absorbing and contracting as well as the wooden/canvas support doing the same. Those paintings I worked on with BOTH issues, often has paint flaking off them within 150 years, sometimes sooner. The copper paintings I worked on from renaissance times, were still perfect- only the varnish had yellowed and gone brittle.
@@Artlover-p5w Im not sure if you mean varnish it soon after you finish your painting, OR varnish it in a rapid motion...? I have seen many copper paintings that are unvarnished and the paint layer is excellent. Back then, they were only using linseed oil as a medium- no modern chemicals. The copper causes less 'sinking' of colours, so, using a good ratio of medium (linseed) to paint, the surface can be saturated for many years without varnish. Varnishing came later- many varnishes used in the nineteenth century yellowed over time and had to be removed anyway. Removing the varnish on these copper paintings revealed a perfect, saturated surface. If you dont need to varnish- dont varnish. Varnishing has become an obsession with modern painters. But if you wish to varnish, application of varnish o a copper panel has the same rules as any other support.
Having studied atThe Atelier in Minneapolis, I can see Richard Lack’s influence in his painting. Hearing Patrick speak brings back the passion I once felt about why I wanted to paint. Thank you, Jeff, for having Patrick on your podcast.
Wow!! What a fantastic conversation. I feel privileged to have had the opportunity to listen in, totally enthralled from beginning to the very end to two painting Masters. Thank you.
“Fear of being separated from the herd and fear of the unknown” - a driving force behind humanity and our fears. Also, talking about nonfiction books about evil, I just couldn’t get through Elie Wiesel’s book “Night” - too disturbing. Mr Devonas emanates empathy and sensitivity. I love the point you both made about creating art is not just making a good drawing or painting, but using those skills to tell a meaningful story. I listen to the Undraped Artist on my hour-long commute to work in the morning and then on the way home. Love it Jeff!!
This was an incredible interview, Jeff! Thank you so much. I am in emerging artist and I learned so much from listening to your interview! I also have been racking my brain thinking about the messy artist and wondering who he is lol there’s one abstract artist. I absolutely love and I’m not a huge lover of abstract, but I do love this particular guy… it may not be who you’re talking about but if you’re ever interested in doing an interview, this guy is amazing. His name is Brian Rutenberg!! he has a TH-cam channel on it occasionally.
Wow what an interview 🤩 one of my favourites. Thank you for introducing me to Patrick, I am so inspired by his depth and passion. I just love hearing your conversations with great artists they are so thought provoking and really insightful. Thank you so much.🙏
Surprised to hear Jeff asking a question whether "we should love sin". For Christians, it's not even a question. And as far as i remember from prior interviews, Jeff is a Christian.
I appreciate you noticing that. You’re right. I am Christian and agree that we shouldn’t love sin. As the interviewer it’s the guests opinion that I’m interested in so I try to be careful not to insert my own opinions and ideals. Instead I try to learn what the guests thinks. It’s about them. Thanks for listening!
Patrick has such great wisdom and had me hanging for more. Great artist and so humble. What a stunning podcast. Thank you so much. These 4 hours went by way too quickly.
I am a painting conservator and can answer the paintings conservation question: copper supports last for longer as the copper does not absorb moisture and the support does not expand or contract- i.e.this means the paint layer doesn't move over time. Many wooden supports (and latterly canvas supports) up until the nineteenth century were renowned for cracking because the support expands and contracts with moisture, but ALSO from the addition of rabbit skin glue traditionally used in the gesso ground. Rabbit skin glue is notorious for absorbing moisture. Imagine the ground layer absorbing and contracting as well as the wooden/canvas support doing the same. Those paintings I worked on with BOTH issues, often has paint flaking off them within 150 years, sometimes sooner. The copper paintings I worked on from renaissance times, were still perfect- only the varnish had yellowed and gone brittle.
Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Thank you, jus purchased my first copper panel from Raymar to try it out and someone said you have to varnish quickly? is that correct?
@@Artlover-p5w Im not sure if you mean varnish it soon after you finish your painting, OR varnish it in a rapid motion...? I have seen many copper paintings that are unvarnished and the paint layer is excellent. Back then, they were only using linseed oil as a medium- no modern chemicals. The copper causes less 'sinking' of colours, so, using a good ratio of medium (linseed) to paint, the surface can be saturated for many years without varnish. Varnishing came later- many varnishes used in the nineteenth century yellowed over time and had to be removed anyway. Removing the varnish on these copper paintings revealed a perfect, saturated surface. If you dont need to varnish- dont varnish. Varnishing has become an obsession with modern painters. But if you wish to varnish, application of varnish o a copper panel has the same rules as any other support.
@@AlyssaAleksanian Thanks for the great info!
Listened to the entire four hours and would have listened to another four. Good stuff! Thanks Jeff!
Oh good! I was worried it was too long.
Brilliant conversation!
Thank you
Having studied atThe Atelier in Minneapolis, I can see Richard Lack’s influence in his painting. Hearing Patrick speak brings back the passion I once felt about why I wanted to paint. Thank you, Jeff, for having Patrick on your podcast.
Lack sounds amazing.
Wow!! What a fantastic conversation. I feel privileged to have had the opportunity to listen in, totally enthralled from beginning to the very end to two painting Masters. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thats very kind of you.
“Fear of being separated from the herd and fear of the unknown” - a driving force behind humanity and our fears.
Also, talking about nonfiction books about evil, I just couldn’t get through Elie Wiesel’s book “Night” - too disturbing.
Mr Devonas emanates empathy and sensitivity.
I love the point you both made about creating art is not just making a good drawing or painting, but using those skills to tell a meaningful story.
I listen to the Undraped Artist on my hour-long commute to work in the morning and then on the way home. Love it Jeff!!
Thanks! I’m glad you are listening.
Fantastic interview! He is so interesting! Thank you so much!
Another excellent, deep dive into work of contemporary artists! Jeff picks ones of not many, real gems! Thank you for this!
Great thoughts!
Thank you
This was an incredible interview, Jeff! Thank you so much. I am in emerging artist and I learned so much from listening to your interview! I also have been racking my brain thinking about the messy artist and wondering who he is lol there’s one abstract artist. I absolutely love and I’m not a huge lover of abstract, but I do love this particular guy… it may not be who you’re talking about but if you’re ever interested in doing an interview, this guy is amazing. His name is Brian Rutenberg!! he has a TH-cam channel on it occasionally.
Yes intimidated I undertstand!
I don’t understand.
Wow what an interview 🤩 one of my favourites. Thank you for introducing me to Patrick, I am so inspired by his depth and passion. I just love hearing your conversations with great artists they are so thought provoking and really insightful. Thank you so much.🙏
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Surprised to hear Jeff asking a question whether "we should love sin". For Christians, it's not even a question. And as far as i remember from prior interviews, Jeff is a Christian.
I appreciate you noticing that. You’re right. I am Christian and agree that we shouldn’t love sin. As the interviewer it’s the guests opinion that I’m interested in so I try to be careful not to insert my own opinions and ideals. Instead I try to learn what the guests thinks. It’s about them. Thanks for listening!
Also: Look at my MFA mentor’s work, Sean Downey.
Will do
So what specific "Venetian paintings" he talks about? What Era?
Gah lee 4 hours? I’m about to grab some popcorn, a small panel, some brushes, and a zorn palette. 🫡
😄 we could talk forever
There seems to be a very tiny delay between their sounds, so it probably added extra time