@@patricklodge1576 that’s true, they did mention it here and there over the last few months. I just figured we’d get more word about it in advance yk? Like for example they shoved the hog and sombra reworks down our throats like 3-4 seasons in advance. And considering the pharah rework seems to be of similar size to those reworks, I figured blizzard would be very vocal about it the closer we got to it. Although I guess they might’ve been less vocal due to all of the other big changes that they’re gonna be implementing in the coming season
I think the simplest answer is that they were likely transcribed from a third party and then leaked to Rupal, which is why the notes have some discrepancies / mistakes.
If it is real I am surprised they are just reworking Pharah without telling us anything before hand? Like they told us about sombra and hog reworks MONTHS in advance and we don't know about this until at best 2 weeks before the changes?
@@CBMX_GAMING yeah, and people forget with how poorly recieved the global healing passive was before these leaks put it in context, the devs aren't exactly eager to put out info before it's hot and ready. A suprise rework sounds like something unexpected to give Season 9 more perceived depth.
Bro I am praying to every god known to man that these are fake patch notes. Because despite the goofy stuff the devs have done in the past year, there’s no fucking way they’re serious with these changes.
these changes are actually really good, supporting is getting nerfed and people have more hp, allowing for more living when alone but better opportunities to kill low hp targets.
Well this aged like milk didn't it? Also out of curiosity, how did you imagine Kiriko countering the DPS passive, when all a DPS hero needs to do to apply the passive onto an enemy tank is to literally shoot another bullet at them? It'd be pretty silly for Kiriko to waste her cooldowns for that. You have some of the worst takes on this game.
No Idea what you're thinking of, Suzu will just cleanse the dps passive in addition to bailing out low hp allies. You're not just going to chuck it on someone just for the dps passive, it's just an added bonus whenever you do use it on a tank that's low that healing them back up will be much easier because it will remove the passive. You just made up your own take and then said it was mine.
Im not too sure about the dps passive. The new dps passive really hits the mid to lower heal comps like Mercy/Brig & Lucio/Zen really hard. Those weird support duos are common enough that it will be a noticeable issue & it might be similar to the original double shield nerfs in which people might double down on the high heal supports.
The official dev blogs and patch notes are always riddled with typos and mistakes. Doesn't mean the leaks are real, but something to consider before dismissing them. Blizz should probably pay somebody to do copy editing.
So much is changing that it'd take a *long* time before we fully understand all the ramifications of an update like this, but on paper I really like this feel for the DPS passive. It's much more generally useful and relevant to all DPS characters (current or future), and gives the role a more unique identity going forward. If Tanks control space, and Supports glue everything together, DPS would now decide where the team should focus. With a change like this, you might very well be throwing if you're not following your DPS to support them in killing whatever they're on - and, honestly, that feels right to me. It's how you might think the various roles should play out.
Your take on Kiriko was ass. I recently watched a video of a pro coaching a top 50 Kiriko how to play Kiriko: top 50, not top 500, top 50. He kept telling him to DPS more and to let the other support worry about healing. He even said to mostly use Suzu selfishly. With only healing or using Suzu on another person if you happen to be near them and they are about to die, but don't go out of your way to save them. Basically, if you can get a kill or save a teammate, get the kill and let the other support worry about saving him. He acknowledged that Kiriko is really the only support who plays like that. Even Zen isn't completely selfish. Honestly, after watching that video, I concluded that Kiriko should be a DPS and not a support.
THIS. someone finally said it, the reason why ppl dont see kiriko as broken is because they dont use her correctly, Im not a kiriko main but I can easily win 1vs1 against dps or just tp out like nothing happen bc its a 7 sec cooldown She's pretty much a better zen when not talking about poke
It’s hard to say if it’s real or fake as there’s been plenty of times when they have actually made mistakes in things and sent the wrong numbers but no matter what this is a good opportunity to sync on what a lot of us actually want from overwatch because so many people have so many different ideas and opinions, and some are really good but some are really bad, the blizzard team actually has tried to listen to people sometimes but so many times so many of us are just not grateful and hate how it came out, even though he came out very close to how we want it. I’m just waiting to see if this is real or fake as this sounds crazy but sometimes some crazy changes can be good. Plus there’s been so many times in the past that thing’s sounded like too much or too little but then we found out it was just the right amount, and a lot of people would like it.
Im guessing how the new dps passive would work (if it is even a thing) is it'd only reduce healing while the dps is doing damage and if theyre not doing damage it wouldn't linger and healing would be the full amount, that way when they have to reload you still have a chance to get healed. Thatd make sym and , torb, pretty damn good because if the turrets arent dealt with straight away youre just gonna lose the fight because turrents dont have to reload. Ashes ult would also be pretty good because bob would be a massive issue if he locks on someone
Here's my take on this, these all seem like changes that the dev team would specifically make, especially when they're targeting the too much healing issue, idk if we did see the whole thing or not but with changes like dps dealing a healing reduction and them buffing everyone's health on top of the universal out of combat healing. It feels out of touch and doesn't address the main issue with them while creating another problem on top of it
I feel like Moira and Sombra would be winners of this patch if that new DPS passive gets added. Moira’s fade could cleanse the anti-heal and her healing output is so high the healing reduction wouldn’t hurt her as much. Pairing her with a Sombra (someone who actively applies the anti-heal) makes Moira’s grasp a lot more of a threat. As for Sombra, a character with Perma-invisibility being able to sneak up on on someone without warning and immediately weaken their survivability is inherently nasty, not to mention she is one of the few DPS that can cleanse status with Translocater. Also EMP would become insanely busted since it would apply the healing reduction as well. The last also is that health packs tend to cleanse some status conditions, and hacking health packs would increase healing output for your team while negating it for the enemies. And honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if health packs were either unaffected by the healing reduction passive or flat out cleansed it. TLDR: Moira and Sombra are gonna be nasty together if that new DPS passive is actually real.
The pharah rework seems really interesting and i can definitely fw it. The hp pool change... not sure how do feel. As a mercy main im glad that she got a small buff, but i would have preferred that her ga active state could get cancelled again, to give her the skill expression back
I absolutely could see this being a qp hacked thing. I didn't even know they said we would get another hacked event this season, so that makes me think this will be it.
The changes arent compared to whats currently live. Blizzard runs internal tests all the time, so whatever "mistakes" they made are simply what they were in internal testing. Of course, some of these are probably also typos
15:17 Be honest. It's very tuned down. Supports were self-healing in the middle of duels because the duelist would go for 1.5 seconds without dealing damage at times, especially when the support is using suzu, immortality field, or petal platform. 5 seconds is VERY tuned down. They just don't want DPS to be regenerating health in the middle of a duel.
Isn't the new dps passive from the Ow2 beta. Where people in combat had reduced healing or something like that EDIT: Super talks about in this video at around 9mins th-cam.com/video/pPXdPzLc5zg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q0b4rgKDQ0VwXH7Y
Yes and no. The beta was a global passive and could be triggered by any character. Made healing tanks after the fight really hard because respawns would be pushing you at full hp just as you were finishing healing tank.
@@traceboom4909 Took me a bit but I found a clip of what I was talking about. Starts at 9:07 th-cam.com/video/pPXdPzLc5zg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q0b4rgKDQ0VwXH7Y
IIRC, they did it the other way around: healing was nerfed across the board, but out of combat you would get a healing buff - but, they're more or less the same thing in most situations.
whether its real or fake i think we can all agree on the fact that season 9 is gonna be a HUGE change of the game just alone with the new rank system and passive heal for all roles (+ more balance changes they announced)
Dig the video, my evidence on why it's fake mostly has to do with those errors you mentioned such as the "peacemaker" thing. But also some of the particular hero changes, namely for Kiriko and Genji. When looking at kiriko, other than receiving the global health buff she was straight nerfed with no compensatory buffs, if blizzard balances around winrates, why would they do that? It doesn't seem like a blizzard thing to do. It could make more sense if she could hypothetically cleanse the DPS passive, but that's a big if. Genji was a straight buff on the other hand, even with his winrates being solid. This whole thing reminds me of metro's fake patch notes, an attempt at dumpstering the hero they don't like to get the word out. It could very well be that the game changes are so massive that I'm not considering enough, but making it more difficult to kill everyone but also making it even more difficult for kiriko in particular screams "bait" to me.
While your right kiriko is also the best supp rn and has been since she was released so she needs a nerf, and with the amount of people rightfully complaining about her
I believe you misinterpreted the new damage passive at 8:20. It’s impossible to know without seeing the whole thing, but the way it’s worded makes me think it reduces the healing received by damage characters when they deal damage.
Is it just me, or I read the dps passive seems to be worded in a way that it doesn't reduce the healing on the enemy that the dps hero is attacking, it reduces healing on the dps hero itself, making it harder to do things such as mercy pocket a pharah I spent the whole video confused as to why you thought it affected tanks lol
8:24 I assumed it said "Dealing damage reducing healing passive activation time by x seconds" so they get the passive healing faster but I am not sure.
I really dont think Kiriko will be meta with these changes: For starters now she needs to hit 3 SHOTS TO THE HEAD to kill someone or 2 shots to the head + 1 to the body which is ridiculous considering they nerfed the hitbox of the proyectile Also the cleanse is on a 15 second cd and if I had to say what the dps passive percentage will be it would probably be between 15-25 % which isn’t that much and using suzu would essentially be wasting it (like before with zen when he could instantly use discord after suzu ended) and in top of that the duration of the suzu now is a significant nerf because that .65 duration wouldn’t be enough to heal a tank before the effect is added again. Im a kiri main and Im pretty mad, I understand why people hate the character but honestly the situation just got out of hands and turned into an unnecesary drama. I was open for nerfs but really they are encouraging her heal-bot playstyle and thats just bad. Nice L blizzard!
No she will still be good, she just cant win 1vs1 anymore as easy big woop. She's a supp character no reason why she should be easily able to 1vs1 a dps and 2 shot dps hero, 15 sec cooldown isnt anything too crazy. It just means people can no longer spam it withouth thinking, its called making the character take skill And 0.85 to 0.65 doesnt change anything, ask any top 500 player and they still will say the point that it has invulnerability, and everything else is too much. Take out the invincibility and shes balanced, maybe more healing on it and shes fun and balanced
I think you convinced me that this is largely fake. Thanks for that, I was losing my mind bur I'm sill worried. If these were real I would quit in season 9 100%.
Same I wouldn't mind keep playing tank if they got rid of the DPS passive and the projectile and hitscan size changes. I just already know it's gonna be str8 ass to play against
Removing one shots combos intirely is cringe I rly hope they don’t do that there’s nothing more satisfying than sleeping a 200 hp hero shooting Nading shooting meleeing someone
If this is real, then wrecking ball is dead. He barely does enough damage anymore to kill most heroes without follow-up and if this buff is real, its joever
I believe it's real because not ONE single big name streamer is commenting or making a video on these leaks... and most, if not all of them are under NDA. Overwatch is going to crash and burn...
so are we playing paladins or what? Mind you, I am fully accepting of these change as it will breathe some new life in this game. I just feel that overwatch is going to lose more of it's identity if these patch notes are real.
@@modsbonzer No it is not. Power creep is when new releases are getting stronger and stronger, leaving old content weak or obsolete. If everything gets the same buff then that is not power creep. Power creep is more often seen in mobile gaming. If OW1's release had all the changes listed in the S9 patch notes, would it be power creep? No. Oftentimes in mobile gaming, if you get something that is seen as strong, it will likely be obsolete in the near future, as new releases inevitably get stronger and more powerful to incentivize sales. And then maybe the abilities that the newest release has, is just way too OP. Well the next time they release content, they can make the newest character (or card or whatever it is) have a counter to the last OP character they released. Or maybe in another game, the power creep is simply in the numbers, with each new character having better and better stats than the old characters, without having any downsides. This cycle goes on and on, making the power creep worse with every update. That is an exmple of true power creep.
@@bnhearyza4767It is power creep, you are assuming that everyone is getting the same buff and that's a lie, I invite you to read the leak yourself. Tracer and widow received only +25hp while almost all characters received +50hp or more (yea, even mercy recived +50hp). They also increased overall health but not dmg at all, almost all dive heroes didn't get dmg buffs unlike the other heroes, like for example doom, genji, ball and reaper. These heroes will definitely be left behind in the meta, because everyone is getting giga buffs except them.
@@modsbonzer I was just talking about your reply specifically, because yes, not everyone received the same buff. Also, I do believe power creep is possible in games like OW and some argue Kiriko is a light example of that. I just don't think that "everyone getting the same buff is the definition of power creep"
Since ALL of the Overwatch NDA content creators are not talking about this. I think it's real and it would be easy for Blizzard to say they are not true. If they are true I'll be calling for Alec Dawson to resign. This will be a VERY VERY bad patch. Tank will suck even more then it's current ass it feels. DPS will feel better and support may be better but as a Tank main I will be pissed. Everyone will be harder to kill and the overall skill of the game will be lower yet. Alec Dawson head of Hero Design and Balance will be called out directly.
If this shit is real. imagine being a tank main. Especially roadhog and ram. They got reduced healing while tanking damage, and also no increase damage to their ability or attacks, ram will take 5 punches to kill a dps, which is insane lol.
Don’t speak for all tank players. As a Winston main, I am looking forward to the patch. It’s good that they’re addressing the problem of burst damage and healing both being too high. This is the right direction for the game, even if this patch causes some temporary balance issues.
@@abudgie6909 Yeah for a winston and those dive tank main that must be good for you lol. But other tank have 5 people fire at them one time and get reduced 20% healing. And also the devs didn't address anything, all hero's health are higher doesn't mean the burst healing and burst damage are much lower, they still deal same amount of damage and healing,(some of them get even higher damage) the only difference is you may have extra 1-2 more seconds to tank some more burst damage before you die.
An antiheal on hit has been in paladins (the game that everyone says is a overwatch ripoff) for years and it has always prevented the game from feeling slow and repetitive. Healers in paladins are much more fun than overwatch because they dont get much value from just healing. Every healer gets most of their value from dealing damage and using powerful utility abilities. Mind you, the antihealing effect scales over the course of the match. It begins at 25% antiheal for 1.5 seconds after taking damage and scales to 90% for 1.5 seconds. Yall are sleeping on paladins. I left overwatch or a long time because paladins has never had boring metas like double shield, goats or "mauga meta", its far more engaging and thats mainly because of the antiheal and item shop and the fact that almost every character feels playable and balanced even though there are 59 champions and counting. This will be a good change for overwatch in my opinion.
it will be a bad change cuz ow has a "kill the tank meta" already, all the dps just have to focus 1 tank and the tank will got deleted. and in ow if the tank dies the fight is lost
Well I also wouldn't have believed they'd give tanks and dps a healing passive, after they said that I'll believe anything. Overall it looks like all the s9 good changes to the rank system are going to ruined by idiotic balance changes even if these "leaks" are fake. There is no problem with burst healing or damage, there's a problem with them constantly adding get out of jail cards so you need to kill someone before they can react with the ability. Delete bap, kiri, and lw from the game, and I don't think there would be any real complaints outside of Anti being too strong in 5v5 without kiri, so maybe include anti having reduced effectiveness against tanks. Honestly the get out of jail free supports aren't even that bad in a vacuum, but the problem gets exponentially worse the more you add. Kiri for example isn't a big deal, bait out her cooldowns and you can kill her. But then add a lw on her team so even after baiting 2 abilities she can still get saved again, and it becomes extremely frustrating so you'd rather just pick widow. It seems like the devs are listening to doomer flats complaining that the game is "stale" and needs "massive changes", as if the problem isn't just that he's been playing 8 hours a day for 7 years.
It’s just only going to be “overwatch” in name only Like every change makes heroes less unique, or have a lower skill floor. Hanzo for instance will have no purpose, at this point just bring back scatter arrow on his Q with multiple shots like sojourns ult for him to have a one shot again (because that’s his whole hero identity)
On paper this looks fine, yeah it might be better to straigh up nerf damage and healing, but at the end of the day this is pretty much the same. By the way, be carefull with Samito fanboys desperate for attention that beleive everything he says becuase they have no brain, they'll come because their egotistic youtuber reacted to your video
Widow didn’t get a health buff she got put back to her normal health of 200 while everyone else gets a buff while widow abilities still suck ass and take forever to come back. This is a massive widow nerf
@@engineergaming3830 Widow got shitted on again. 200 health and thats it. Thats her original base health that was stolen from her. We got ow1 widow but way worse everyone else got a buff. Can we get better cooldowns on widows shitty abilities. Widows grapple cooldown is 12 seconds and her venom mine is 15 seconds its bad and feels awful. But sombras cooldowns are crazy. hack has a 6 second cooldown. her virus orb has a 6 second cooldown. and her translocator which covers a 20 meter distance has a 5 second cooldown!!!!!. How!!!! She gets all of her abilites 2 times before i get 1 widow grabling hook or 1 venom mine. You need to buff widow these devs are fuggin retarted. The devs made it so that Widow cant 1 shot anyone past 10 feet. but kiriko can 2 tap you across the map. If this patch goes through i quit and I’m boycotting all activision/blizzard products including microsoft i’m done. ☠️☠️☠️
uh no, just no. Her hitboxes are bigger and she can still oneshot, dmg didnt go up either so not like your gonna be dying faster while you can still comfortably one shot even easier
@@Glizzyman you make no sense because widow has damage drop off on her sniper that should easily be able to shoot 300 meters away but can’t because they did nerf her too much. We now wont be able to one shot because of the massive health increases.😑 ur an idiot
I petition to have cleanse get a longer immortality time. Currently it seems like lag just prevents it from working when it needs to work to actually be helpful. Sometimes it doesn’t even work because the game didn’t register it in time. That is not fair, and it is not fun.
Haha. I guess you've never seen the Diablo 4 patch notes. They are often a mess, riddled with tons of typos, incorrect values, and so forth. To think this leak is fake based on TYPOS is delusional. Bad video with a bad premise.
I believe it’s fake bc if they really added an ability to pharah they would call it a great rework and would have announced it in season 3
Nah the fact that this is 100% accurate is wild 😭 lowkey just convinced me that the patch is fake
Tbf a phara rework was in the works for months
@@patricklodge1576 that’s true, they did mention it here and there over the last few months. I just figured we’d get more word about it in advance yk? Like for example they shoved the hog and sombra reworks down our throats like 3-4 seasons in advance. And considering the pharah rework seems to be of similar size to those reworks, I figured blizzard would be very vocal about it the closer we got to it. Although I guess they might’ve been less vocal due to all of the other big changes that they’re gonna be implementing in the coming season
@@dookiestain1669 its not a rework to that scale, it's more of a powershift
@@patricklodge1576just like with hog and sombra.
I think the simplest answer is that they were likely transcribed from a third party and then leaked to Rupal, which is why the notes have some discrepancies / mistakes.
don't ever cook because you have the worst kiriko take
every day we stand closer to paladins than ow
We need paladins 2 to come out so hirez will invest in SOME marketing lol
Not a bad thing tbh
Considering how Paladins has a steady meta (not the best but not the worst either), it wouldn’t be a bad thing lol.
First thing I thought of when I saw the dps reducing healing my head was like no way they added cauterise to overwatch 😂
Starting to think Aaron is just an agent sent from hirez trying to turn ow into paladins.
If it is real I am surprised they are just reworking Pharah without telling us anything before hand? Like they told us about sombra and hog reworks MONTHS in advance and we don't know about this until at best 2 weeks before the changes?
tbf they did announce that they were working on a pharah rework, they just havent told any advancements or when it could come out
They did kind of say it but they didn't call it a rework
They have been talking about reworking Pharah to be less reliant on Mercy and more 'horizontal' for a long time
@@CBMX_GAMING yeah, and people forget with how poorly recieved the global healing passive was before these leaks put it in context, the devs aren't exactly eager to put out info before it's hot and ready. A suprise rework sounds like something unexpected to give Season 9 more perceived depth.
4:13 lifeweaver's already sitting at 225hps rn so hes getting less health than others to make him 250hps
Thats what he is saying on that moment, hes saying lifeweaver is an exception to the "all characters getting at least 15% increase in HP"
cuz 50 shields
somebody forgor
Good, he didn’t need the extra hp
Bro I am praying to every god known to man that these are fake patch notes. Because despite the goofy stuff the devs have done in the past year, there’s no fucking way they’re serious with these changes.
these changes are actually really good, supporting is getting nerfed and people have more hp, allowing for more living when alone but better opportunities to kill low hp targets.
these changes are great imo
@@Treeckogeek If you think these changes are good, you legit know nothing about the game.
I want Lucio's changes to be real
@@AzureRoxe lemme guess you are metal rank. This patch results into a healing nerf and one shot nerf. You know like the thing every body asks for
Well this aged like milk didn't it? Also out of curiosity, how did you imagine Kiriko countering the DPS passive, when all a DPS hero needs to do to apply the passive onto an enemy tank is to literally shoot another bullet at them? It'd be pretty silly for Kiriko to waste her cooldowns for that. You have some of the worst takes on this game.
No Idea what you're thinking of, Suzu will just cleanse the dps passive in addition to bailing out low hp allies. You're not just going to chuck it on someone just for the dps passive, it's just an added bonus whenever you do use it on a tank that's low that healing them back up will be much easier because it will remove the passive. You just made up your own take and then said it was mine.
Im not too sure about the dps passive. The new dps passive really hits the mid to lower heal comps like Mercy/Brig & Lucio/Zen really hard. Those weird support duos are common enough that it will be a noticeable issue & it might be similar to the original double shield nerfs in which people might double down on the high heal supports.
They should make it so the DPS passive is far less effective or doesn't work at all on tanks. As if anti nade wasn't as oppressive enough on them
@@jrodd13there is nothing wrong with nade
as a genji main, i P R A Y these are fake
The official dev blogs and patch notes are always riddled with typos and mistakes. Doesn't mean the leaks are real, but something to consider before dismissing them. Blizz should probably pay somebody to do copy editing.
So much is changing that it'd take a *long* time before we fully understand all the ramifications of an update like this, but on paper I really like this feel for the DPS passive. It's much more generally useful and relevant to all DPS characters (current or future), and gives the role a more unique identity going forward. If Tanks control space, and Supports glue everything together, DPS would now decide where the team should focus. With a change like this, you might very well be throwing if you're not following your DPS to support them in killing whatever they're on - and, honestly, that feels right to me. It's how you might think the various roles should play out.
Except the fact that tank will be cosmetic
Your getting cooked by literally every TH-camr rn lmao. Would be cool to see a response if any
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Your take on Kiriko was ass. I recently watched a video of a pro coaching a top 50 Kiriko how to play Kiriko: top 50, not top 500, top 50. He kept telling him to DPS more and to let the other support worry about healing. He even said to mostly use Suzu selfishly. With only healing or using Suzu on another person if you happen to be near them and they are about to die, but don't go out of your way to save them.
Basically, if you can get a kill or save a teammate, get the kill and let the other support worry about saving him. He acknowledged that Kiriko is really the only support who plays like that. Even Zen isn't completely selfish. Honestly, after watching that video, I concluded that Kiriko should be a DPS and not a support.
THIS. someone finally said it, the reason why ppl dont see kiriko as broken is because they dont use her correctly, Im not a kiriko main but I can easily win 1vs1 against dps or just tp out like nothing happen bc its a 7 sec cooldown
She's pretty much a better zen when not talking about poke
feel like the contradictions just make it even more sure given the decisions they've been making
It’s hard to say if it’s real or fake as there’s been plenty of times when they have actually made mistakes in things and sent the wrong numbers but no matter what this is a good opportunity to sync on what a lot of us actually want from overwatch because so many people have so many different ideas and opinions, and some are really good but some are really bad, the blizzard team actually has tried to listen to people sometimes but so many times so many of us are just not grateful and hate how it came out, even though he came out very close to how we want it. I’m just waiting to see if this is real or fake as this sounds crazy but sometimes some crazy changes can be good. Plus there’s been so many times in the past that thing’s sounded like too much or too little but then we found out it was just the right amount, and a lot of people would like it.
Im guessing how the new dps passive would work (if it is even a thing) is it'd only reduce healing while the dps is doing damage and if theyre not doing damage it wouldn't linger and healing would be the full amount, that way when they have to reload you still have a chance to get healed. Thatd make sym and , torb, pretty damn good because if the turrets arent dealt with straight away youre just gonna lose the fight because turrents dont have to reload. Ashes ult would also be pretty good because bob would be a massive issue if he locks on someone
Yea…but “6v6 is too much work”
Fucking spare me; everything they say is a lie.
The value with flank kiriko is force cooldowns without using suzu.
But yeah i still agree with you on the kiriko *community/playstyle*
Here's my take on this, these all seem like changes that the dev team would specifically make, especially when they're targeting the too much healing issue, idk if we did see the whole thing or not but with changes like dps dealing a healing reduction and them buffing everyone's health on top of the universal out of combat healing. It feels out of touch and doesn't address the main issue with them while creating another problem on top of it
i love the Rain Code music!! also ty for doing such an in depth look into this leak, love the thought you put in your videos
the new dps passive is probably saying that it reduces the healing passive timer or something
It’s almost 100% real necros sort of confirmed it during a few of his streams
If it’s real I’m scared of what happens with Hanzo arrows actually being logs 💀 but I don’t think it real I hope this ages well
He lost his one shot so it’s not that dangerous
@@ultraslayer9255 true but he can get hits more consistently
@@AnakinSkywalker-gw2xv it’s a “fair” balance the value of getting a shot off is lower so the chance of getting a shot off should be changed
I personally think the power of his one shot should be moved to his ult to make it decent
I'm okay with getting hit by hit shots more often if they aren't one-shot missiles
I feel like Moira and Sombra would be winners of this patch if that new DPS passive gets added. Moira’s fade could cleanse the anti-heal and her healing output is so high the healing reduction wouldn’t hurt her as much. Pairing her with a Sombra (someone who actively applies the anti-heal) makes Moira’s grasp a lot more of a threat.
As for Sombra, a character with Perma-invisibility being able to sneak up on on someone without warning and immediately weaken their survivability is inherently nasty, not to mention she is one of the few DPS that can cleanse status with Translocater. Also EMP would become insanely busted since it would apply the healing reduction as well. The last also is that health packs tend to cleanse some status conditions, and hacking health packs would increase healing output for your team while negating it for the enemies. And honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if health packs were either unaffected by the healing reduction passive or flat out cleansed it.
TLDR: Moira and Sombra are gonna be nasty together if that new DPS passive is actually real.
The pharah rework seems really interesting and i can definitely fw it. The hp pool change... not sure how do feel.
As a mercy main im glad that she got a small buff, but i would have preferred that her ga active state could get cancelled again, to give her the skill expression back
I absolutely could see this being a qp hacked thing. I didn't even know they said we would get another hacked event this season, so that makes me think this will be it.
The Ow team is dumb when coming up with decisions but they arent that dumb
Milk take, patch notes were real
I would pay full price for ow1 again just saying
The changes arent compared to whats currently live. Blizzard runs internal tests all the time, so whatever "mistakes" they made are simply what they were in internal testing. Of course, some of these are probably also typos
15:17 Be honest. It's very tuned down. Supports were self-healing in the middle of duels because the duelist would go for 1.5 seconds without dealing damage at times, especially when the support is using suzu, immortality field, or petal platform. 5 seconds is VERY tuned down. They just don't want DPS to be regenerating health in the middle of a duel.
5 secs is long but I don't agree he used the wrong term bc it's not tuned down but it is long so I guess it evens out
It is easier and less effort to simply give all heroes more health instead of nerfing damage of all one shot abilities specifically
Praying this is just for a quick play hacked 🙏
It reduces instakills but it doesnt reduce damage spikes? Do you know what a damage spike is?
i really liked your videos, hope you come back soon
Isn't the new dps passive from the Ow2 beta. Where people in combat had reduced healing or something like that
EDIT: Super talks about in this video at around 9mins th-cam.com/video/pPXdPzLc5zg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q0b4rgKDQ0VwXH7Y
It was move speed buff on kill
Yes and no. The beta was a global passive and could be triggered by any character. Made healing tanks after the fight really hard because respawns would be pushing you at full hp just as you were finishing healing tank.
@@joereed8872 Thanks for the info. I didn't get to play the beta because I'm a console scrub. But I did hear about it second hand
@@traceboom4909 Took me a bit but I found a clip of what I was talking about. Starts at 9:07
th-cam.com/video/pPXdPzLc5zg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q0b4rgKDQ0VwXH7Y
IIRC, they did it the other way around: healing was nerfed across the board, but out of combat you would get a healing buff - but, they're more or less the same thing in most situations.
ML7 saw you playing Ana and he decided to quit OW.
whether its real or fake i think we can all agree on the fact that season 9 is gonna be a HUGE change of the game just alone with the new rank system and passive heal for all roles (+ more balance changes they announced)
I'm convinced whoever made these hates Junkrat.
I believe i saw on a nother video that the dps passive will reduce heals by 20% for 2s
Dig the video, my evidence on why it's fake mostly has to do with those errors you mentioned such as the "peacemaker" thing. But also some of the particular hero changes, namely for Kiriko and Genji. When looking at kiriko, other than receiving the global health buff she was straight nerfed with no compensatory buffs, if blizzard balances around winrates, why would they do that? It doesn't seem like a blizzard thing to do. It could make more sense if she could hypothetically cleanse the DPS passive, but that's a big if. Genji was a straight buff on the other hand, even with his winrates being solid. This whole thing reminds me of metro's fake patch notes, an attempt at dumpstering the hero they don't like to get the word out. It could very well be that the game changes are so massive that I'm not considering enough, but making it more difficult to kill everyone but also making it even more difficult for kiriko in particular screams "bait" to me.
It could be fake, but I don't think mistakes makes it untrue, developers make these type of mistakes all the time
While your right kiriko is also the best supp rn and has been since she was released so she needs a nerf, and with the amount of people rightfully complaining about her
I believe you misinterpreted the new damage passive at 8:20. It’s impossible to know without seeing the whole thing, but the way it’s worded makes me think it reduces the healing received by damage characters when they deal damage.
I did not understand the mercy change
Is it just me, or I read the dps passive seems to be worded in a way that it doesn't reduce the healing on the enemy that the dps hero is attacking, it reduces healing on the dps hero itself, making it harder to do things such as mercy pocket a pharah
I spent the whole video confused as to why you thought it affected tanks lol
the dps passive is apparently 20% for 2 seconds
8:24 I assumed it said "Dealing damage reducing healing passive activation time by x seconds" so they get the passive healing faster but I am not sure.
what? dealing dmg would reduce healing received by x amt of seconds. What you said literally makes no sense
I really dont think Kiriko will be meta with these changes:
For starters now she needs to hit 3 SHOTS TO THE HEAD to kill someone or 2 shots to the head + 1 to the body which is ridiculous considering they nerfed the hitbox of the proyectile
Also the cleanse is on a 15 second cd and if I had to say what the dps passive percentage will be it would probably be between 15-25 % which isn’t that much and using suzu would essentially be wasting it (like before with zen when he could instantly use discord after suzu ended) and in top of that the duration of the suzu now is a significant nerf because that .65 duration wouldn’t be enough to heal a tank before the effect is added again.
Im a kiri main and Im pretty mad, I understand why people hate the character but honestly the situation just got out of hands and turned into an unnecesary drama. I was open for nerfs but really they are encouraging her heal-bot playstyle and thats just bad. Nice L blizzard!
No she will still be good, she just cant win 1vs1 anymore as easy big woop. She's a supp character no reason why she should be easily able to 1vs1 a dps and 2 shot dps hero, 15 sec cooldown isnt anything too crazy. It just means people can no longer spam it withouth thinking, its called making the character take skill
And 0.85 to 0.65 doesnt change anything, ask any top 500 player and they still will say the point that it has invulnerability, and everything else is too much. Take out the invincibility and shes balanced, maybe more healing on it and shes fun and balanced
The dps passive could be reduced healing from the global passive
I think you convinced me that this is largely fake.
Thanks for that, I was losing my mind bur I'm sill worried.
If these were real I would quit in season 9 100%.
where's the streams?
if its real im quitting tank and probably overwatch in general. a lot of those sound so unfun
Same I wouldn't mind keep playing tank if they got rid of the DPS passive and the projectile and hitscan size changes. I just already know it's gonna be str8 ass to play against
Removing one shots combos intirely is cringe I rly hope they don’t do that there’s nothing more satisfying than sleeping a 200 hp hero shooting Nading shooting meleeing someone
Keep in mind he keeps saying the dps role passive and then talks about tanks.
I hope they are fake it would suck putting so much time into a character that’s completely worthless to play
I really hope to the Overwatch Gods that those changes are fake.
what's your rank after patch?
Bronze probably
@@RedPandaRealI honestly think they got bullied off the internet
@@hunterreneker474 it seems that way lmao they were uploading consistently before season 9
one of ur games u were in a a 5stack is it an alt acc or?
If this is real, then wrecking ball is dead. He barely does enough damage anymore to kill most heroes without follow-up and if this buff is real, its joever
I believe it's real because not ONE single big name streamer is commenting or making a video on these leaks... and most, if not all of them are under NDA. Overwatch is going to crash and burn...
so are we playing paladins or what? Mind you, I am fully accepting of these change as it will breathe some new life in this game. I just feel that overwatch is going to lose more of it's identity if these patch notes are real.
Aged like milk 🤣
so if those leaks are real they are adding cauterize from paladins to overwatch for dps hero
btw blizzard is currently threataning legal action, so I think this is real
I choose to believe they are fake because I want Illari buffed 👍
I was about to say cause it said cassidy goes from 200 to 250?
you can see they swapped cassidy and bastions hp around
I mean...
I would take the lucio buff, the rest dosent matter
Winton good. I do like Winton.
So basically OW2 is Paladins now?
Has to be fake... If not I'm quitting 💀
these patchnotes if real are the definition of powercreep
Lmao it’s not power creep if ever single character receives the same buff
@@Theguyoverthere603 that is the definition of power creep
@@modsbonzer
No it is not. Power creep is when new releases are getting stronger and stronger, leaving old content weak or obsolete. If everything gets the same buff then that is not power creep. Power creep is more often seen in mobile gaming.
If OW1's release had all the changes listed in the S9 patch notes, would it be power creep? No.
Oftentimes in mobile gaming, if you get something that is seen as strong, it will likely be obsolete in the near future, as new releases inevitably get stronger and more powerful to incentivize sales. And then maybe the abilities that the newest release has, is just way too OP. Well the next time they release content, they can make the newest character (or card or whatever it is) have a counter to the last OP character they released. Or maybe in another game, the power creep is simply in the numbers, with each new character having better and better stats than the old characters, without having any downsides. This cycle goes on and on, making the power creep worse with every update. That is an exmple of true power creep.
@@bnhearyza4767It is power creep, you are assuming that everyone is getting the same buff and that's a lie, I invite you to read the leak yourself. Tracer and widow received only +25hp while almost all characters received +50hp or more (yea, even mercy recived +50hp).
They also increased overall health but not dmg at all, almost all dive heroes didn't get dmg buffs unlike the other heroes, like for example doom, genji, ball and reaper. These heroes will definitely be left behind in the meta, because everyone is getting giga buffs except them.
@@modsbonzer
I was just talking about your reply specifically, because yes, not everyone received the same buff.
Also, I do believe power creep is possible in games like OW and some argue Kiriko is a light example of that. I just don't think that "everyone getting the same buff is the definition of power creep"
Since ALL of the Overwatch NDA content creators are not talking about this. I think it's real and it would be easy for Blizzard to say they are not true. If they are true I'll be calling for Alec Dawson to resign. This will be a VERY VERY bad patch. Tank will suck even more then it's current ass it feels. DPS will feel better and support may be better but as a Tank main I will be pissed. Everyone will be harder to kill and the overall skill of the game will be lower yet. Alec Dawson head of Hero Design and Balance will be called out directly.
If this shit is real. imagine being a tank main. Especially roadhog and ram. They got reduced healing while tanking damage, and also no increase damage to their ability or attacks, ram will take 5 punches to kill a dps, which is insane lol.
@@darkminion2720 Yeah I am a tank main. lol Tank will be even worse. Time to switch roles I think.
They've never made content about leaks,doesn't matter if they're on NDA
Don’t speak for all tank players. As a Winston main, I am looking forward to the patch. It’s good that they’re addressing the problem of burst damage and healing both being too high. This is the right direction for the game, even if this patch causes some temporary balance issues.
@@abudgie6909 Yeah for a winston and those dive tank main that must be good for you lol. But other tank have 5 people fire at them one time and get reduced 20% healing. And also the devs didn't address anything, all hero's health are higher doesn't mean the burst healing and burst damage are much lower, they still deal same amount of damage and healing,(some of them get even higher damage) the only difference is you may have extra 1-2 more seconds to tank some more burst damage before you die.
How does anyone believe this is real? If it is, I'll eat my shorts.
post it on youtube for proof (if these are real)
@@antlrr3715😂😂
Hope they're cargo shorts 🙂
because of how it got leaked
Time to eat
what rank r u
Rein will gain no HP…
im 90% they're not real just like in vibes
An antiheal on hit has been in paladins (the game that everyone says is a overwatch ripoff) for years and it has always prevented the game from feeling slow and repetitive. Healers in paladins are much more fun than overwatch because they dont get much value from just healing. Every healer gets most of their value from dealing damage and using powerful utility abilities. Mind you, the antihealing effect scales over the course of the match. It begins at 25% antiheal for 1.5 seconds after taking damage and scales to 90% for 1.5 seconds. Yall are sleeping on paladins. I left overwatch or a long time because paladins has never had boring metas like double shield, goats or "mauga meta", its far more engaging and thats mainly because of the antiheal and item shop and the fact that almost every character feels playable and balanced even though there are 59 champions and counting.
This will be a good change for overwatch in my opinion.
I've had a bad day anyway, might as well start paladins
it will be a bad change cuz ow has a "kill the tank meta" already, all the dps just have to focus 1 tank and the tank will got deleted. and in ow if the tank dies the fight is lost
Paladins has had awful metas throughout the years
Hey man . Nice vid
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Jokes aside I do think reducing crit multiplyer would help.
Doesn’t look real to me.
Well I also wouldn't have believed they'd give tanks and dps a healing passive, after they said that I'll believe anything. Overall it looks like all the s9 good changes to the rank system are going to ruined by idiotic balance changes even if these "leaks" are fake.
There is no problem with burst healing or damage, there's a problem with them constantly adding get out of jail cards so you need to kill someone before they can react with the ability. Delete bap, kiri, and lw from the game, and I don't think there would be any real complaints outside of Anti being too strong in 5v5 without kiri, so maybe include anti having reduced effectiveness against tanks.
Honestly the get out of jail free supports aren't even that bad in a vacuum, but the problem gets exponentially worse the more you add. Kiri for example isn't a big deal, bait out her cooldowns and you can kill her. But then add a lw on her team so even after baiting 2 abilities she can still get saved again, and it becomes extremely frustrating so you'd rather just pick widow.
It seems like the devs are listening to doomer flats complaining that the game is "stale" and needs "massive changes", as if the problem isn't just that he's been playing 8 hours a day for 7 years.
btw, these notes are 100 percent real, Necros; a streamer with insider knowledge has talked about the changes before they were even leaked.
they were leaked 1-2 weeks ago
@@Digidove_ow really huh
fake news
This shit is liturally Paladins
It’s just only going to be “overwatch” in name only
Like every change makes heroes less unique, or have a lower skill floor.
Hanzo for instance will have no purpose, at this point just bring back scatter arrow on his Q with multiple shots like sojourns ult for him to have a one shot again (because that’s his whole hero identity)
so overwatch is becoming paladins ? lol
This is awkward xd
On paper this looks fine, yeah it might be better to straigh up nerf damage and healing, but at the end of the day this is pretty much the same.
By the way, be carefull with Samito fanboys desperate for attention that beleive everything he says becuase they have no brain, they'll come because their egotistic youtuber reacted to your video
Samito cooked you bro
Widow didn’t get a health buff she got put back to her normal health of 200 while everyone else gets a buff while widow abilities still suck ass and take forever to come back. This is a massive widow nerf
noone likes being 1shot be happy ur hero got that 25 health buff
@@engineergaming3830 Widow got shitted on again. 200 health and thats it. Thats her original base health that was stolen from her. We got ow1 widow but way worse everyone else got a buff. Can we get better cooldowns on widows shitty abilities. Widows grapple cooldown is 12 seconds and her venom mine is 15 seconds its bad and feels awful. But sombras cooldowns are crazy. hack has a 6 second cooldown. her virus orb has a 6 second cooldown. and her translocator which covers a 20 meter distance has a 5 second cooldown!!!!!. How!!!! She gets all of her abilites 2 times before i get 1 widow grabling hook or 1 venom mine. You need to buff widow these devs are fuggin retarted. The devs made it so that Widow cant 1 shot anyone past 10 feet. but kiriko can 2 tap you across the map. If this patch goes through i quit and I’m boycotting all activision/blizzard products including microsoft i’m done. ☠️☠️☠️
Good. The game is terrible if widow is in the meta.
uh no, just no. Her hitboxes are bigger and she can still oneshot, dmg didnt go up either so not like your gonna be dying faster while you can still comfortably one shot even easier
@@Glizzyman you make no sense because widow has damage drop off on her sniper that should easily be able to shoot 300 meters away but can’t because they did nerf her too much. We now wont be able to one shot because of the massive health increases.😑 ur an idiot
Man, I hope we see 6v6 with 2 tanks again!
Samito is dragging you 😂
I petition to have cleanse get a longer immortality time. Currently it seems like lag just prevents it from working when it needs to work to actually be helpful. Sometimes it doesn’t even work because the game didn’t register it in time. That is not fair, and it is not fun.
You've got to be joking 💀
Seems to lag 💀 doesn't land??? are you playing another character
I notice that too all the time
do you even play the character?@@Zewytroo
What lag? Ive almost always have been able to suzu dva bomb, junktire, etc
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We gon pretend kiriko isn’t already S-tier
i think they r fake
Idk what ur kiri take is, but it cant be nearly as bad as half of flats takes. Ur top 500 so it cant be that bad
It was so bad multiple people across TH-cam nd TikTok have reacted to and trashed it
Haha. I guess you've never seen the Diablo 4 patch notes. They are often a mess, riddled with tons of typos, incorrect values, and so forth. To think this leak is fake based on TYPOS is delusional. Bad video with a bad premise.
Just wondering.. did u watch the video?
Who cares, there I saved you 36 minutes.
Widow should be 250hp (or 150 hp + 100 armor) and increase her range and genji didnt need that buff what are they smoking🤦♂️🤦♂️
they should also make hanzo shoot a dragonstrike every shot
ur insane for thinking she needs 100 armor 😭
And they should also give dva two mini machine guns on her back that auto lock like torbs turret
They should give rein a hog ult on a 6 second cool-down instead of fire strike
honestly your right, they should also make hog heal 300% faster and ana anti nade pemanent even after death