The Tools of Acid (comparing Audiorealism, D16, Roland, and Ableton Live)
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- Let's have a closer look at the iconic tools used to make acid house and acid techno!
In this video we look at software emulations of the classic 303 and 909 sounds, particularly those by @audiorealism (ALB3 + ADM), @d16group (Phoscyon + Drumazon), @RolandCloud (TB-303 + TR-909), and @Ableton Live's native ways of achieving it too.
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Contents:
0:00 Let's talk about acid
2:49 What makes acid acid?
3:47 Making it natively in Ableton
13:11 Comparing the 4 methods
15:13 Audiorealism ABL3 and ADM
17:30 D16 Phoscyon and Drumazon
19:39 Roland TB303 and TR909
22:50 My recommendations
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Appreciating the coordination of shirt with fingernails:)
Hell ya it was the first thing I noticed and was totally digging it. Good vibez all around.
W eyes too :))
Wow good eyes
… and eyes!
I hope your video doesn't get demonetized for teaching us how to synthesize acid!
Never forget when someone got demonetized because they did a filter sweep that sounded like the chemical brothers
Oh dear, same thoughts when he just said “… we’ll learn how to make acid.”
Joke stealer.
@@Armacham2 “… we’ll learn how to make acid.” I'm going to sample this. :-)
Eh, the acid is already synthesized for the user in these synths. This is not patching from scratch a la Tip-Top audio modules or the like....
9:59 this is what really can add life to acid tracks, delay time adjusted by ear instead midi sync, note this guys
Your work is amazing! Organized and essentials explainations with the right amount of informations, your videos really stand out. Thanks for your sharing , keep it up
Awesome edit, great video pace. Straight to the point, and very clear. Thanks for the quality videos!
This is the Underdog video I've been waiting for. Thanks so much, Oscar!
I always learn something watching your videos. Excellent stuff, thank you. 👍🏼
The Behringer 303 clone is absolutely solid for acid.
Yep, for the same amount of money you get an actual analog hardware instrument instead of a software plugin emulation
Yesss.... I start to prefer the Behringer over the original Roland, it has a built in distortion I absolutely love.
@@thomaselers7416 honestly of all the synths I've owned the original tb-303 is still my favourite. Can't disagree about the added distortion on the Behringer td-3 though it's the only thing missing from the original. Love it.
I want to hate the TD3, just because it’s Behringer, but honestly, I can’t tell the difference, and the distortion is lovely.
@@CHONK-Music yep it made me change my opinion on behringer completely. .
Such positivity and helpful teaching. Thanks Oscar
Learned a lot from this video, appreciate you sharing your knowledge
Nice video with lots useful info and a good overview of what is needed to make some juicy acid.
The rack extension ABL3 does the job for me, its fast and good for linking up to other devices via CV.
Very succinct overview of these options, well done!
Love your tutorials man. Well done.
Awesome Oscar. Your video’s are always great and this one is a gem.
WE MISSED THE REBIRTH OF REBIRTH OF PROPELLERHEADS!!! (OLD VERSION CAN BE USED STILL TODAY.) CHEERS!
Hahahaha you're so right :D damn.
Fantastic video. Such a clear tutorial. Much appreciated!
Wow! Great episode. Thank's a lot!!
Another great video!
Wish this had been available before I wasted my time with D16 plugins on a mac (btw the issue is with recent versions of macOS, and I wish they'd bother to update all their Roland emulations because they all produce great sounds). Love ABL3, but as you noted it's far easier to work with the internal sequencer rather than feed in midi.
ABL3 is awesome in my opinion. The Rack Extension version for Reason allows you to flip it around and modulate from other sources. Audiorealism's customer service is top-notch too.
Always come here for reliable info, thanks bro
I got abl3 just recently, and I have to say it is a really spiffy piece of software all round.
Apart from it's excellent design and looks (including the skins, ngl) it just "feels" right the way knobs respond to input. I'm very happy with it.
I really love the artist Patricia who plays with a really old analogue style acid sound but with modern production techniques, great songwriting and chord progressions too
Just looked up this artist based on your rec. Instant love. Thanks!
You do some really good tutorial videos . Excellent work ! Thank you.
btw a few suggestions for your playlist:
purple plejade - blanche
millsart - step to enchantment (stringent)
choice - acid eiffel
maceo plex - solar detroit
drax - amphetamine
tata box inhibitors - plasmids
Quality as always! Thank you Oscar
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but… the og 303 did not have built in delay! I’m guessing you are referring to the boutique one, but that one can be synced to tempo, too ;)
If you payed attention youd notice he called them "re issues" :)
@@jodanbnkwrk7400 not when he mentioned delay, and the re-issue's delay can be tempo synced
And Winner Is:
Behringer TD-3
LOL :D
I am a huge 303 fan and your analysis is very spot on, there are few more 303 software clones out there but you hit the main ones here. I completely agree on Roland Cloud and they should be ashamed of that abomination. I use the D16 stuff because I am on Winblows and I really like the sound but D16 has not updated these plugins in a long time and from what I have read there are no plans for that to happen, I would love to be able to resize the plugin interface on these. The Audiorealism 303 looks very nice and I may give that a look but since I mainly use the piano roll for this and the built in arp/sound of D16 hits all the right places. I have a TD-3 and TD-3 MO on order but I still prefer to use the D16 stuff just for the ease of use and great sound.
I have the TB-303 and TR-909 remakes, they are pretty good and 95% of all my music revolves around the TB-303, but used in very unique ways.
Your videos are great! Watching them maniacally from Los Angeles.
I love you Oscar. I have been searching for this tutorial all morning with a hangover, and should have known to look in the most obvious place. Actually, I had seen you playing with a 303 the other day and was trying to find the tutorial to contact you and ask how this is done in Ableton. Now I can just watch this tutorial. Just this minute found out that I have got a pay rise too so feeling doubly happy. Still got a hangover though. You're a star mate!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
incredible video, thank U
Huge shoutout to your matching shirt, eye color and fingernails!
Oh I love Acid since 1990ies!
Some things to say about the topic:
1) There was also substyle acid trance, and my favorite is Future Breeze - Heulender Wolf, - mindblowing tune!
2) Acid genres have a distinctive characteristic - the track must consist of 2 or more acid lines, at least they are acid bass + acid lead (also maybe rhythmic riff and/or harmonic arp). In other cases they are just tracks of other genres with an acidline, but not acid house/techno/trance
3) I use 303-emulation called Transistor Bass - it's a plugin from within FL-Studio, but can be purchased as VST separately. For me, compared to D16 and to original acid, it sounds pretty well
Thx 😘
Original acid house nd acid techno always had only one 303. the trend with 2 and more started around 92 because of hardfloor, but even then acid doesnt need 2 303
Could one say that you are forward biased toward transistor bass?
@@buckstarchaser2376 I'm not making an advertisment of it, if you've meant it. Just this plugin isn't usually mentioned in 303 emulations reviews, as it's stock plugin hard to get for users of others daws. Just saying that the choice of good 303 emulations is a bit wider than it's usually thought 😀
@@IntellliGiant I'm simply making a play on words joke from an electronics nerd's perspective.
You got my heart with this video thank you much
Drumazon is my favorite 909 emulation, but D16 really need to update it with a resizable interface. As for software 303's, ABL3 is the winner for me. But then again, it can never beat my Behringer TD-3.
and Behringer TD-3 is even cheaper than the plugins :D (exception: educational discounts or sale pricing that more often applies for software)
Never going to waste my money on poor quality B hardware.
@@njdpdv If you think Roland is high quality then you better think again.
I've had a lot of gear in my life from many different brands, and the Roland stuff always broke down the most.
I've never had issues with any of my Behringer gear.
So go ahead and find yourself a Roland TB-303 and pay a fortune for it.
@@kris_lx u forgot about the RE-303 which doesnt cost a fortune and sounds like the OG.
@@raveindustries8698 The prices I see for an RE-303 are all over $1000. You can buy almost 10 TD-3's for that 😂
Damn great video. Very impressed by the presentation, scope and knowledge. Thank you!
I think acid was more performative in the day. This however gets into what makes acid acid controversy. The whole idea was to hit those knobs with both hands, one on the 909 other 303 or 2x303 or 101/202. The human element was half the spirit in making a track/performance memorable. If one agrees with this philosophy, either one must make sure you can midi cc everything with all the knobs available on a controller or use an automation lane, or move to hardware. Well, the automation lane does remove the human performative element so not sure I can say it’s acid if one uses that 😜. I am just suggesting that half the fun of making acid is working the machine/s and happy accidents were the thrill, much like the random button in the software, your just more connected to result flowing from within
You are probably too much into Free Jazz. :D
No love for Rebirth on here. Loved messing with that for hours and hours , still have it in box.
Played a lot with it since 1999. Now I have it on my iPad
great video, i can tell you know how to teach things. very helpful as well since i'm looking to get some acid gear, not sure yet if i'm going for hardware or software yet.
as to the spotify list, i would have added 2 tracks: "microwave: microwaving" and "solar quest: acid air raid" which remains an absolute acid music classic to this day.
Very helpful, thank you very much!
Hey Oscar, i am a big fan of you and the videos you do here on YT, but i have a little request :-)
In the future can you please add version number + date for test on the VST's you review/ compare and use, in the video description ?
On that way it will for example be much easier to see if the bugs got fixed that you mention or if the versions still are the same as when you made the review.
Thank you in advancde and keep up the good work makeing these videos for us
Thanks for the video man!
Acieeeeeed !!!
I use all of the software clones mentionned here and I love using my xOxbOx, I also owned a MAM MB33 MK2 and an Acidlab bassline.
Fun fact, I figured out recently on how to randomize sequences in Phoscyon, even I'm using it for 10 years.
Very helpful, watched 2 of your video's so far, will watch more
I have a TB-03 (on the shelf behind in the video). Best sounding 303 clone i've heard IMHO and there have been a LOT of bad attempts over the years. Nice video!
I like to use ABL3 to sequence other synths like my SH-101 !
Amazing. Thank you
fantastic video! I ran into the same issue with the roland plugins on windows, not being able to open any of the preset or pattern boxes... turns out you have to have your system display "scale" set to 100%. hope this helps anyone else who's been having the same issue! Cheers
Damn, that's quite a playlist btw! 🔥
I think all of them have their own flavour
if they was all around back in 1988 😎
I’m sure everyone would’ve love them all
and in a mix who cares anyway
For the record m…
the Behringer TD3 is doing it for me at the moment tbh..
D 16 is a great VST though ,
it is like the “ Devil fish “
version of The TB303 😎❤️
For those using FL studio, then transistor bass is an awesome instrument. Great video Oscar as always. Would love to see you do some FL studio sessions sometime!
Flstudio has an emulation of almost all the famous synthesisers/sequencers
Great vid thanks for sharing
I was looking for that acid sound, and ended up buying Roland TB3 (Aira re-issue). Awesome little box, and Roland did great job in terms of UI for sequencing, especially when jamming live on stage. It's a shame that they didn't provide OOTB synth access (its like preset box by default), but using couple max for live devices I can access internal synth, which can do much more than regular 303.
Great comparison. Would love a ’24 update to see if some of problems have been fixed and if Ableton 12 generation tools change anything.
Not sure if it's been shared already, but there's a free max 4 life device called aicd (not acid, but aicd) that randomly generates 303-like patterns. If you put in a scaler device after it, you can stay in key with the track. :)
great video :) my favourite is the 303 replicas from Din Sync. it rips!
Acid os the roots for lots of us
Lots of amazing memories on those riffs...
Ty for that one
Abl3 for me is more instinctive
Drumazon 2 is out now!!! Worth it!!! Especially the kick is awesome.
Buen video compareeee. Greetings from Chile!
nice review buddy. good comparisons
Thanks Oscar, as a Roland Cloud user I feel your pain and could not imagine it with clients. Things seem to be getting a little better, but they have a way to go with their authorization experience. As for the preset mess, they must have brought the code along with the sounds from the 80s.
On the upside (and you probably already know this) one thing that is nice with those drum machines is the ability to drag individual drum pattern data to tracks. When dragging midi/audio from the plugin to a track, you can filter what drum's patterns you want using the mute/solo buttons. That combined with their sub outs make it really easy to isolate drums or leverage their patterns in other drum machines. Thanks for your quality content.
Great comparison. And a great shout about Roland Cloud. I too had the dreaded not authorised BS. I contacted RC and they said update the RCM and you should be fine. Totally agree it's a workflow killer. Also I noticed, with RC you can't have more than two of their VST open simutaneously. WTF! I pay for a year's sub and they dictate what I can use at any time. Not sure I'll continue with them when ABL and D16 have brilliant emulations. I love ABL3 and Drumazon.
You've suddenly got me very interested in what Analog can do now...
Emmanuel Top with "Acid phase", and far beyond B.B.E. !! All since is Desire
Great music song. So sound. 👍
5:31 That happy and proud smile 😃
Cool vid. My 303 doesnt have any delay, but I do often use an unsynced delay pedal to get that "acid" vibe.
There are many ways to go acid. Personally, I went Xoxbox and Roland TR8.
I recently added a Behringer TB3 and RD6. They do not sound exactly like the originals - but they are very close and definately complimentary. If anything, the Behringer 303 can get a bit more extreme (in a very pleasing way) than the xoxbox I own.
Acieeed😊
Great video dude.
Could you be so nice and show in another video your workflow in Phoscyon and Drumazon?
Would be very interesting, even the tuning of the elements as well.
Bests,
Marc
Great Video .... very Good explaniert
This is probably said before, but....I just realised (after seeing them in numerous videos) your cute tree patterns are actually drum/waveform patterns. Nice :)
Half the fun is the crazy sequencer on the TB303! Well, based on using the Behringer clone that I assume has sequencer similar to the original. It's tricky to predict how the riff will come out, it's sort of "half-random" and often, really cool sequences just pop out by accident.
Behringer has exactly same sequencer as roland tb-303, those "happy accidents" are exactly right thing for oldschool acid techno
i was goin to click the like button, but then i realized, i had already clicked it
Soo good info, thanks a lot
Hahahaha
Love it!
Totally agree. Roland Cloud is a workflow killer.
very informative Oscar , and the nails are spot on with the shirt colour : )
Muon has a pretty nice free 303 style plug in called Tau that works pretty well. No built in sequencer, and it's ancient, but it does the job otherwise.
I don't think I know of a free 909 though.
Impressive youtube channel, thank you so much!
Awesome ass video mate, loved it!
I wish that Ableton would use real terms that are universal to sounddesign.
This way 'Tune' becomes 'Fine Pitch', and 'Snappy'
becomes 'Decay' or 'Release' depending on how many stages the volume envelope has.
I hope this explanation helps because it can be very confusing otherwise.
Max for live Aicd is great for generating sequences!
Amazing video oscar! Just wanted to know are you still doing the online bootcamps? Can't seem to find them on the website
I've put them on pause to focus on the foundations course for now! Sorry 🙃 too much multitasking!
@@OscarUnderdog No problem hahahahhahaha, hope to see them in the future at some point
Bam Bam - Give It To Me, Exstacy Club - Jesus Love The Acid and Baby Ford - Ouchy Kouchy /Chikki Ahh Ahh is some of my personal first encounters with acid/ acid house....and Solar Quest - Acid Air Raid (Georges All Nighter) is a masterpiece !
With the Roland Cloud plugins did you purchase them as standalone plugins or did you install using the Cloud service? Been looking at a couple of them but I don't want to subscribe to the Cloud service. Might have to give them a swerve though if you need to sign up to the Cloud service to use standalone plugins that I've purchased from a retailer
I remember Acid House in Chicago back in 87 dj Pierre, Phuture, Armando, Acid Thunder,
A quick tip, the 303 uses the same slide time no matter what note you come from and go to. I liked your ableton synth the best, even though it's not completely "303"
Nice vid brother!!!
You can load the presets from the tb 303 from roland !! You must press the little up and down buttons, right from the word presets. I love watching your Channel
Audio realism activate plugins with a simple serial number. This kind of TRUST in the user gets my vote and my money. Same goes for U-He and TAL. The problems Oscar describes with the Roland Cloud software are completely unsurprising to me, and personally I refuse to buy into subscription software for this reason.
U-He are another one i use a lot as well. :-)
subscription is not the problem (and im totally fine continuously paying for continuously improved software) - crappy software is.
Thank you !!
hey I have a question about the courses i wonder if i should still do the begginer course or go the more advanced one with my skill set.
You showed in the beginning of this video, the TR-09 and TB-03. So how do they compare to the plugins? Are they better or worse for your ware? Pretty much asking for your opinion.
yeah, comparison to re-issue or stock is essential
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To load a preset on the roland 303, it's a glitch you've got to move a little bit on the top left.
I've tried every 303 vst clone, and it's the best, great for acid techno.
It's pretty easy to have good acid sound, but don't use the built in distortion, I use D16 devastator + a little bit of valhalla shimmer and it's magic
It's the year 2021 and these are their most iconic software emulations of their most iconic synths. Why are there glitches on the first level of their UI? 😂 Have they ever tried using their own plugins?
@@OscarUnderdog yes this is really a shame!! But it's ok to me even if it's annoying
so the preset menu is so wide that it does not fit untill you move it? Some crappy ui desing right there
Wow... awesome
Amazing that by far the Ableton stock sounds the best to me
Thanks for sharing your acid-favourites! In terms of bassline my favourite for today is probably Phoscyon. But there was a fantastic TB-303-emulator back in the late 90-s called Rubberduck H30 by D-Lusion. Man, it sounds wicked! Especially for distorted dirty sound. Sad it`s abandoned and all we have is only obsolete app, there`s not even a VST-plugin
Lol H30 had a great sound but its soooo outdated
It has such a squelchy sound
@@novictim true! I like how it sounds and still not able to reproduce it using any other tb303 emulators. Wish they made a renovated version in vst/au. 👍 In my dreams so far 🙂
I miss the propellerheads rebirth 338 days in the late 90s. :)