I bought a 2023 Road Glide Special back in December. The first thing I did was add the Screaming Eagle stage two. The sound is amazing, and the extra torque is a twist away especially when I get into a tight spot. I'll be contemplating upgrades to higher stages in the future, but for now it's what I need.
Nice Dyno sheet. That nice flat torque curve is better than a cam with a higher peak number, but hits at 4000 rpms. No downshifting required if you have that flat curve. Enjoy it 🔥
I have an ‘18 RG with the Stage 2; the difference is best described as the difference between being yanked off the line quickly to be yanked off the line by a grappling hook from an F-16 grabbing my triple tree during a flyby. She breathes through Rhinehart Duals. I am a sick man though, I want more. Someday… ???
Really nice, dude ! I felt the power from the Video, if you switched to the 2 Gear ! Just awsome ! And now, i decided to pimp my SG CVO 2020 also to the stage 2. 😁🤙 Thanks for That 🤩✌️
Stock is completely choked down...doing the stage 2 is literally just allowing the bike to breathe properly and is what the bike should be performing like from the factory. People who say you shouldnt put a cam in a CVO...I dont understand the thinking behind that....thats like saying you shouldnt do the bars or exhaust either...heck it takes more work to do the bars than it does a cam???? As long as you tune it properly, you are doing NOTHING except allowing the motor to actually breathe the way it should and are untrestricting the thing....unless you are leaving the ENTIRE bike stock then hell yeah you should do a cam....this has been an AWESOME 3 video set and my buddies I have shown it to are ALL doing cams now... :D Thanks so much for taking all the time to do the series! Just imagine how much more gas you will use...as even in your little 3 mile jaunt, you had the throttle WFO 60% of the time!! :D Bike sounds AWESOME Nadal!!!
2 things here. Congrats on 1,000 subs brother! 2. This is really good content for someone thinking of making this investment. @TwinCylinderDue nailed it on his comment. Getting a wizard to properly tune your bike is gold. Keep up the great content and your channel will blow up. Eric
A great choice is to upgrade to the 55mm S&S throttle body when you do the stage II it made a huge difference on my 117 cam upgrade I need to take it back and have a new dyno run
Sounds amazing! Perhaps if he went with a different air cleaner and that 55m S&S intake manifold I bet the HP would be in the 125ish range, the TQ is spot on. Stage 2 is the best and least expensive performance upgrade in my opinion. Curious to hear what performance upgrades you plan to go with if you decide to do a stage 2, that would be a great video. Keep those knees, in the breeze bro 🤙🏾💯👍🏾✌🏾
@@FLYANDRIDE15 I don’t think so, it actually got done because the stock fueling was so bad it caused the bike to shut off and stall 😂 so stage one it was, or I was going back to a different bike. So now it’s awesome
Great video I got stage 2 with Khrome werks and aggressor headers from Khrome werks My dyno tune numbers are 117 hp 132 torque Awesome video man. Keep it going
Hey bud I was wondering was that with screaming eagle tuner to keep your warranty ? Thanks I want that set up khrome werks 117 stage 2 and I want 55 mm intake thats good numbers!
@@curtisg5117 thx for watching. No, this was not under warranty, this was after market parts so warranty is void. One of the guys from our crew did it all screaming eagle under warranty and while a bit under powered compared to this, he was very happy. Hope that helps 🤙
Great video. Great numbers Nadal. Congrats! Question for Nadal. Did he ride the bike to the dyno with the map he got from Fuel Moto? Fly and ride keep up the videos. Love watching!
First of all just want to say I subscribed to your channel. I love content like this. Keep up the awesome work. So, I am having my 2022 CVO Road Glide (Blue Steel) custom built by the performance team at Moonshine Harley. It’s a full performance bagger build (131). They call it the Ass Eater. Lol. I can’t wait and super excited. The bike is currently on its way the the dealer now. I was hoping they came out with the same colors as last years models. I am really digging the all black with red accents.
Welcome! Appreciate you joining the channel! Wow! That sounds amazing man, that’s my favorite CVO this year and you are doing the moonshine 131?! Next level right there. Feel free to keep me posted on progress pics etc via my Instagram @flyandride15 🤙 Congrats on the bike and the build!
@@FLYANDRIDE15 Yes I am doing the Moonshine 131 build. It’s the Full Performance Bagger build. In addition I am getting the BST carbon fiber wheels, Dakota digital gauges and much more. To many to type. I will definitely keep you posted as the build takes place.
An aftermarket stage 2 will exceed 130+ mph and will be more than enough for most riders. A Big bore kit will satisfy the other 40% who want 150/150 + and for the other 10% there’s always more…..135” 143” etc. For me, 150/150 is what I like for riding and touring.
Done stg2 on both of my M8s and it gives that power and torque you would expect. Going to retune my 18 FLHC with HD 447 cam with PV and see how much better she runs. Great vid.
Hi there! Wanted to thank you for the sub. Now I’m here and wow, what a high quality videos you make! This is on next level for sure! I’m gonna sub and start watching :) Cheers! ML&R /Heikki Stockholm Sweden
I think stage 2 is just the right amount of increases for a relatively reasonable price without really changing too much to engine. John’s bike is a beast and basically left stage 1 and stage 2 in the dust in the most recent rides. That said, we can’t really compare the work he did to a stage 2 😂
With all due respect I have to say that all these upgrades are unnecessary and actually take miles off the engine in general. Unless you’re going to race it in the quarter mile why mess with it? I don’t know call me an old man lol 😂. My long time mechanic advised me against doing anything in regards to upgrades because although it will go faster it’s also going to have issues that come with it. Fully watched it and I have to admit it sounds wicked good. The problem is that the more you pump it up the more problems you will encounter. It’s a known fact. I guess if you’re willing to spend more money to fix it then it’s worth it but I’d rather have a dependable bike than one that spends more time being worked on in the shop. I guess to each his own! To me if I wanted a fast bike I’d buy a crotch rocket. It’s just my opinion though and this was a great video buddy. Just remember when you start doing lots of upgrades there comes lots of issues as well. That’s what I love about my evo motor. Over 50 thousand miles and nothing but oil changes. ✊👍👊🤙. I’ll bet you have less problems with yours don’t do it lol 😂
I appreciate you sharing your point of view and perspective, thank you and always welcomed! For reference, my buddy in the video has done the stage 2 four times and has combined over 20k miles with zero issues. And while I appreciate what experts are saying, a stage 2 is not really extensive in terms of change to the engine etc. That said, I am in complete agreement that it definitely increases the chances of stuff going wrong but in my case, it’s a risk/reward I’m willing to take because I do love the difference I felt after the upgrade. All that said, I am in a holding pattern on my bike to see what comes out for 2022 😆
@@FLYANDRIDE15 the video was awesome. I really wanted to do some upgrades to my road king but my mechanic is brutally honest and advised me against it despite him making money from the deal. Just wanted to share it with you. I gotta admit both bikes sound great 👍
This blows me away. If you bought the CVO shouldn't it have the performance you wanted. I don't see why spend the extra for the CVO, just get a regular SG, save the money and spend it on the upgrade. You could do a standard RG, upgrade to a stage 4 and still would be less money than a CVO with a stage 2 I am thinking. My bike came stock with 118hp and 123 lb ft of torque and it was way less than a CVO. Just my opinion not to piss you off.
Thx for watching and sharing. All very valid points. It really comes some to preference and the points you make are definitely in consideration for me personally as I consider future purchase
I used to think that way… now I have a Street Glide and Road Glide CVO. And I’m not done. Time is short, do something that makes you proud/happy. You’re not leaving with anything. As long as you’re using discretionary income, disregard judgment from those who wouldn’t understand anyway.
@@FLYANDRIDE15 I only ask because I purchased the 22 Road Glide ST and would like to keep my warranty. But the only problem with that the SE only makes 2 different STAGE 2 option. What would you guys do? Would you stick with the warranty and go with the screaming eagle or would you go with the aftermarket product and just void that warranty? I honestly don't think Harley really knows what they are even doing with these bikes. They should be redesigning the frame like all aluminum frame, aluminum rear swing arm, front wishbone suspension, keep the same look same body style same motor, but a lighter bike all together. Trying to hear some opinions.
@@joehorger2489 it’s a great question and the answer really depends on your individual situation. I waited for almost two years to do my stage 2 because I am not mechanically inclined and keeping the warranty for that initial period was important to me. If anything major is going to happen to the bike, chances are it will happen in the first 2-3k miles. I would at least wait that long and just do a stage 1 with Harley, that will give you plenty of power until you decide on stage 2, that’s what I did. I do not recommend the stage 2 with Harley, my buddy went that route and it’s a mess! Hope that helps
Before the 60-day period that they won't warranty upgraded parts so if you buy a bike within brand new bike and within that 60 days you purchase upgraded parts Harley will warranty it but I also have another bike to ride so I'm not too worried.
I gotta be the devils advocate here cause ai can’t digest stupidity, not to offend you brother in general I speak. It happens for me to be old school is all. Great video regardless. My question is why should one buy a CVO that’s presumably the top of the line specs Harley and the UPGRADE it?? Now’s the fun part: Cause it’s about greed and marketing whichever comes first from the MoCo and we all are following the piped piper… One of the reasons I own a BMW !!! Don’t need stage two or anything of the sorts. Harley is a scamming motorcycle company that makes great bikes that are PRE WIRED for much needed parts. Just not finished ! Like see what happened to John aka (cyclefntx) when he almost blew up on top of his Road Glide being stuck in traffic… But again I don’t know anything bout bikes so…
First, no offense taken and thanks for watching and commenting. Second, no argument from me in terms of what we should be getting when we buy a CVO vs what we actually get(your point about still needing to upgrade). As to the reasons why MoCo do it, well some may call it greed and others will call it trying to run a profitable organization, I will refrain from speculation since I really don’t know the drivers behind their strategy but despite your valid points about BMW or other bikes, They will still sell all the CVO’s because there is just something about the premier look and feel of a Harley-Davidson CVO that appeals more then practical or logical thinking. 😂
@@FLYANDRIDE15 as long as it feels good I guess hahah And btw I have a 2020 Road King as well so yeah guilty as charged hahah🤣🤣 It the principal I’m somewhat trying to contemplate the one that says pay more for basic features is all..😁
Stage 2 planed to be installed on my bike… I’m starting to think about switching to D&D
Nice!!! Can’t wait to see and hear it 👍
D&D with star racing 30-30 cam..🔥
Holy Shift see if your friend John the owner of silverback can get you a free exhaust system from krome works
@@adamlaney2910 How did that 30/30 cam work out for you? I ordered it with all the parts waiting to get some more miles on my bike before I install.
just got mine done; 125 hp, 140 tq, 475 cam, all S&S; bike rides and sounds fantastic, it's become a long haul sports tourer, awesome
Those are great numbers! That’s as 475 cam is a beast! Enjoy!
I bought a 2023 Road Glide Special back in December. The first thing I did was add the Screaming Eagle stage two. The sound is amazing, and the extra torque is a twist away especially when I get into a tight spot. I'll be contemplating upgrades to higher stages in the future, but for now it's what I need.
I think best upgrade for the cost 🤙💯
Nice Dyno sheet. That nice flat torque curve is better than a cam with a higher peak number, but hits at 4000 rpms. No downshifting required if you have that flat curve. Enjoy it 🔥
I agree. That’s why my 3rd Gear felt like his 4th gear, thanks for watching
That was a great video and Nadal‘s CVO is bad ass and it sounds vicious!!!👍💯🇺🇸😎
Thanks Glen, appreciate it 🤙
I have an ‘18 RG with the Stage 2; the difference is best described as the difference between being yanked off the line quickly to be yanked off the line by a grappling hook from an F-16 grabbing my triple tree during a flyby. She breathes through Rhinehart Duals. I am a sick man though, I want more. Someday… ???
We all want more!
Really nice, dude ! I felt the power from the Video, if you switched to the 2 Gear ! Just awsome !
And now, i decided to pimp my SG CVO 2020 also to the stage 2. 😁🤙
Thanks for That 🤩✌️
Awesome bro, glad you enjoyed it. Keep me posted on your upgrades 🤙
Stock is completely choked down...doing the stage 2 is literally just allowing the bike to breathe properly and is what the bike should be performing like from the factory. People who say you shouldnt put a cam in a CVO...I dont understand the thinking behind that....thats like saying you shouldnt do the bars or exhaust either...heck it takes more work to do the bars than it does a cam???? As long as you tune it properly, you are doing NOTHING except allowing the motor to actually breathe the way it should and are untrestricting the thing....unless you are leaving the ENTIRE bike stock then hell yeah you should do a cam....this has been an AWESOME 3 video set and my buddies I have shown it to are ALL doing cams now... :D Thanks so much for taking all the time to do the series! Just imagine how much more gas you will use...as even in your little 3 mile jaunt, you had the throttle WFO 60% of the time!! :D Bike sounds AWESOME Nadal!!!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 👍 I appreciate it
Your a good friend. I don't get on anyones bike and visversa. Im funny with certain things. But thats your buddy. Im enjoying the vid.
@@WDStock_man 😂 If it’s a friend I trust, no concerns.
You can never go wrong with more power…and it sounded great too! Great video!
I agree on the numbers, thanks and appreciate you watching 🤙
Great video I was on the fence about going to stage 2 but I'm going to go for it just ordered s&s 465c cam chest kit. I can't wait!
Thank you. Awesome. I can’t wait either! 🤙
Very good cam choice and excellent tune job!!!
Thank you! 🤙
Wow bike sounds beastly. Great videos about stage 1 vs stage 2.. thanks for sharing.. love your channel.. Nadal is a great person
Thank you, appreciate the kind words and you watching. Agree Nedal is awesome 🤙
what an amazing bike ... exciting trip. The view is beautiful boss..👍👍👍
Thanks so much, appreciate you watching. 🤙
Great video..
Thank you 🤙
Love every minute of these videos
Thank you!!!
That's good numbers! Sounds good.
Thank you! 🤙
2 things here. Congrats on 1,000 subs brother! 2. This is really good content for someone thinking of making this investment. @TwinCylinderDue nailed it on his comment. Getting a wizard to properly tune your bike is gold. Keep up the great content and your channel will blow up. Eric
Thanks so much Eric, appreciate the comments on both fronts. 🤙👍
A great choice is to upgrade to the 55mm S&S throttle body when you do the stage II it made a huge difference on my 117 cam upgrade I need to take it back and have a new dyno run
Excellent recommendation, thank need to look into this. Thank you. 🤙
Better off with the 64mm and 5.5 injectors.
Sounds amazing! Perhaps if he went with a different air cleaner and that 55m S&S intake manifold I bet the HP would be in the 125ish range, the TQ is spot on. Stage 2 is the best and least expensive performance upgrade in my opinion. Curious to hear what performance upgrades you plan to go with if you decide to do a stage 2, that would be a great video. Keep those knees, in the breeze bro 🤙🏾💯👍🏾✌🏾
Thank you, appreciate it! Yeah, I’m still considering my options and also waiting to see what happens on the 26th if/when they announce new CVO’s
Those are great numbers! Sounded good too! Cool stuff man
Thx man!!! Now I just need to get my hands on a challenger and see what that’s all about. 😂
@@FLYANDRIDE15 ohhh yes. With the lloydz tune intake and exhaust it’s awesome!!!!
@@Sodiumfreeriding you have a video on it before and after? Can’t recall.
@@FLYANDRIDE15 I don’t think so, it actually got done because the stock fueling was so bad it caused the bike to shut off and stall 😂 so stage one it was, or I was going back to a different bike. So now it’s awesome
@@Sodiumfreeriding well, there’s yet another video I would watch if you make it. 😂
Awesome!!! Need more like these…
Plenty on the video library 🤙
Nadal's Roadglide is the nicest I've seen on all these related vids.
Thx! I will pass it on 😀🤙
Great video
I got stage 2 with Khrome werks and aggressor headers from Khrome werks
My dyno tune numbers are
117 hp
132 torque
Awesome video man. Keep it going
Thx man 🤙
Hey bud I was wondering was that with screaming eagle tuner to keep your warranty ? Thanks I want that set up khrome werks 117 stage 2 and I want 55 mm intake thats good numbers!
@@curtisg5117 thx for watching. No, this was not under warranty, this was after market parts so warranty is void. One of the guys from our crew did it all screaming eagle under warranty and while a bit under powered compared to this, he was very happy. Hope that helps 🤙
Great review thank you. Thats how you do a review. First time watching and I'm a fan brother.
Thanks so much, appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts. Welcome! 🤙
Beautiful bike. Definitely worth it. Great share Fam!! 🤙🏾🔥
Thx bro
That thing sounds Nasty !!!
Doesn’t it? I love my Khromewerks but I am liking these a lot! 🤔
Great video. Great numbers Nadal. Congrats!
Question for Nadal.
Did he ride the bike to the dyno with the map he got from Fuel Moto?
Fly and ride keep up the videos. Love watching!
Thanks man, appreciate it. Yea, he did ride with the fuel map he got from them.
Nice video! I would second that a Stage 2 is worth it on a M8. It is the cheapest percentage of gain in HP/TQ you can buy when doing a build.
Thank you, absolutely agree, especially after riding his 🤙
Waiting on my stage 2 torque
Nicer🤙
First of all just want to say I subscribed to your channel. I love content like this. Keep up the awesome work. So, I am having my 2022 CVO Road Glide (Blue Steel) custom built by the performance team at Moonshine Harley. It’s a full performance bagger build (131). They call it the Ass Eater. Lol. I can’t wait and super excited. The bike is currently on its way the the dealer now. I was hoping they came out with the same colors as last years models. I am really digging the all black with red accents.
Welcome! Appreciate you joining the channel! Wow! That sounds amazing man, that’s my favorite CVO this year and you are doing the moonshine 131?! Next level right there. Feel free to keep me posted on progress pics etc via my Instagram @flyandride15 🤙 Congrats on the bike and the build!
@@FLYANDRIDE15 Yes I am doing the Moonshine 131 build. It’s the Full Performance Bagger build. In addition I am getting the BST carbon fiber wheels, Dakota digital gauges and much more. To many to type. I will definitely keep you posted as the build takes place.
@@trevino73 Wow!!! Yeah man, would love to see the progress of at all possible
@@FLYANDRIDE15 ok I will. As soon as it arrives at the dealer I have to fly to Franklin, TN to sign some paperwork and let the build begin. Lol
@@trevino73 💯👍
An aftermarket stage 2 will exceed 130+ mph and will be more than enough for most riders. A Big bore kit will satisfy the other 40% who want 150/150 + and for the other 10% there’s always more…..135” 143” etc. For me, 150/150 is what I like for riding and touring.
Well said!
Extra Hp is NEVER A BAD THING
I agree!
Done stg2 on both of my M8s and it gives that power and torque you would expect. Going to retune my 18 FLHC with HD 447 cam with PV and see how much better she runs. Great vid.
Thank you! 🤙
Super nice out.
The bike sounds insane!!!
Does the D&D exhaust have big bore baffle or the louvered baffle?
Has Louvered baffle, thanks for watching 🤙
Great numbers 💪🏾
Some nice bikes
Hi there!
Wanted to thank you for the sub.
Now I’m here and wow, what a high quality videos you make! This is on next level for sure!
I’m gonna sub and start watching :) Cheers!
ML&R /Heikki
Stockholm Sweden
Thank you and welcome to the channel 🤙
Not saying this to Dis anyone, but the CVO has the 117 in it and a 114 with the right Cam can make the same power. 120HP & 132 TQ.
Yeah. You are spot on , thx for watching 🤙
Nice numbers.
Thank you 🤙
Sounds tough
Gotta wonder if stage 2 is good... what is John's C-Fx silver back stage 4 is like?
I think stage 2 is just the right amount of increases for a relatively reasonable price without really changing too much to engine. John’s bike is a beast and basically left stage 1 and stage 2 in the dust in the most recent rides. That said, we can’t really compare the work he did to a stage 2 😂
@@FLYANDRIDE15 In Australia our max speed is 68mph ...I think stage 2 would be the max you would need
@@smokeydk7712 stage 2 is plenty in my opinion 🤙
Did he go with the Horsepower cam or torque cam ?
Torque redshift 472
With all due respect I have to say that all these upgrades are unnecessary and actually take miles off the engine in general. Unless you’re going to race it in the quarter mile why mess with it? I don’t know call me an old man lol 😂. My long time mechanic advised me against doing anything in regards to upgrades because although it will go faster it’s also going to have issues that come with it. Fully watched it and I have to admit it sounds wicked good. The problem is that the more you pump it up the more problems you will encounter. It’s a known fact. I guess if you’re willing to spend more money to fix it then it’s worth it but I’d rather have a dependable bike than one that spends more time being worked on in the shop. I guess to each his own! To me if I wanted a fast bike I’d buy a crotch rocket. It’s just my opinion though and this was a great video buddy. Just remember when you start doing lots of upgrades there comes lots of issues as well. That’s what I love about my evo motor. Over 50 thousand miles and nothing but oil changes.
✊👍👊🤙. I’ll bet you have less problems with yours don’t do it lol 😂
I appreciate you sharing your point of view and perspective, thank you and always welcomed! For reference, my buddy in the video has done the stage 2 four times and has combined over 20k miles with zero issues. And while I appreciate what experts are saying, a stage 2 is not really extensive in terms of change to the engine etc. That said, I am in complete agreement that it definitely increases the chances of stuff going wrong but in my case, it’s a risk/reward I’m willing to take because I do love the difference I felt after the upgrade. All that said, I am in a holding pattern on my bike to see what comes out for 2022 😆
@@FLYANDRIDE15 I completely understand ✊👊🤙
@@RidingHumboldtCounty Thanks again. I really do appreciate your perspective, always enjoy alternative points of view 🤙
@@FLYANDRIDE15 the video was awesome. I really wanted to do some upgrades to my road king but my mechanic is brutally honest and advised me against it despite him making money from the deal. Just wanted to share it with you. I gotta admit both bikes sound great 👍
@@RidingHumboldtCounty Thanks man 🤙
How tall are the handle bars on the road glide ?
They are 14”, thx for watching
Bad ass Fam
which exhaust and bars do you have on this bike?
D and d Exhaust and hooptize bars
Awesome video. 🔥🔥
When. Is your cam video happening 😁
Thank you!
@@capecodbiker9902 😂 I’m waiting until 2022 CVO’s are revealed.
Mo Powa MO 👍 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💯💥
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Wow
Bad ass bike
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Let’s go
Def worth it!
Thx HM! Let’s see 😂
This blows me away. If you bought the CVO shouldn't it have the performance you wanted. I don't see why spend the extra for the CVO, just get a regular SG, save the money and spend it on the upgrade. You could do a standard RG, upgrade to a stage 4 and still would be less money than a CVO with a stage 2 I am thinking. My bike came stock with 118hp and 123 lb ft of torque and it was way less than a CVO. Just my opinion not to piss you off.
Thx for watching and sharing. All very valid points. It really comes some to preference and the points you make are definitely in consideration for me personally as I consider future purchase
I used to think that way… now I have a Street Glide and Road Glide CVO. And I’m not done. Time is short, do something that makes you proud/happy. You’re not leaving with anything. As long as you’re using discretionary income, disregard judgment from those who wouldn’t understand anyway.
@@caesartorres2944 Thx, appreciate you watching and commenting
Does your cvo have the 117?
Yes it does 👍
@@FLYANDRIDE15 I only ask because I purchased the 22 Road Glide ST and would like to keep my warranty. But the only problem with that the SE only makes 2 different STAGE 2 option. What would you guys do? Would you stick with the warranty and go with the screaming eagle or would you go with the aftermarket product and just void that warranty? I honestly don't think Harley really knows what they are even doing with these bikes. They should be redesigning the frame like all aluminum frame, aluminum rear swing arm, front wishbone suspension, keep the same look same body style same motor, but a lighter bike all together. Trying to hear some opinions.
@@joehorger2489 it’s a great question and the answer really depends on your individual situation. I waited for almost two years to do my stage 2 because I am not mechanically inclined and keeping the warranty for that initial period was important to me. If anything major is going to happen to the bike, chances are it will happen in the first 2-3k miles. I would at least wait that long and just do a stage 1 with Harley, that will give you plenty of power until you decide on stage 2, that’s what I did. I do not recommend the stage 2 with Harley, my buddy went that route and it’s a mess! Hope that helps
But the thing with my upgrades they will be under warranty since I purchased everything 60 days after or before 60 days
Before the 60-day period that they won't warranty upgraded parts so if you buy a bike within brand new bike and within that 60 days you purchase upgraded parts Harley will warranty it but I also have another bike to ride so I'm not too worried.
Hey … what type of glove are those 🤔😎
👀
@@FLYANDRIDE15 the riding gloves ?
@@liljerry496 Apologies. Those are the gerbin heated gear gloves
@@FLYANDRIDE15 😎👍🏿
I gotta be the devils advocate here cause ai can’t digest stupidity, not to offend you brother in general I speak. It happens for me to be old school is all. Great video regardless. My question is why should one buy a CVO that’s presumably the top of the line specs Harley and the UPGRADE it?? Now’s the fun part: Cause it’s about greed and marketing whichever comes first from the MoCo and we all are following the piped piper… One of the reasons I own a BMW !!! Don’t need stage two or anything of the sorts. Harley is a scamming motorcycle company that makes great bikes that are PRE WIRED for much needed parts. Just not finished ! Like see what happened to John aka (cyclefntx) when he almost blew up on top of his Road Glide being stuck in traffic… But again I don’t know anything bout bikes so…
First, no offense taken and thanks for watching and commenting. Second, no argument from me in terms of what we should be getting when we buy a CVO vs what we actually get(your point about still needing to upgrade). As to the reasons why MoCo do it, well some may call it greed and others will call it trying to run a profitable organization, I will refrain from speculation since I really don’t know the drivers behind their strategy but despite your valid points about BMW or other bikes, They will still sell all the CVO’s because there is just something about the premier look and feel of a Harley-Davidson CVO that appeals more then practical or logical thinking. 😂
@@FLYANDRIDE15 as long as it feels good I guess hahah And btw I have a 2020 Road King as well so yeah guilty as charged hahah🤣🤣 It the principal I’m somewhat trying to contemplate the one that says pay more for basic features is all..😁
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
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You can do all the upgrades you want harley-davidson motorcycle are just slow and meant to be that way. You want to go fast buy a Ducati.
Thanks for watching, this is plenty fast for me.
First
Yes you are ! 🤙😃 Thank you!
Cam just seems too big to tour on.
Perfect for touring
Wow
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