I’m a gay man in my mid 30s, Im married to the love of my life and born in the south of the US. I’ve seen hate, hate is ugly and should never happen. My husband and I both come out to our families, my family was loving and excepting, my husbands not so much, his family are super religious and it took some time but now they support us and it’s a beautiful thing because it was hard on my husband. As for pride, we are torn on it, we think it’s lost it’s meaning, the sexualizing and partying of it in our opinion has ruined it. It should always be family friendly, when men and women are almost naked and drunk, we don’t want our kids seeing belligerent people. We believe pride should be a reminder of how far we’ve all come, a history lesson, teaching people about sexually transmitted diseases, of course march and we hope that one day we won’t even need a pride month because it’s become so normalized and excepted that’s it’s not needed. But, this is just the opinion of two gays that love each other and love all of you.
I'm gay in the U.S. I'm meeting more and more gays that are distancing themselves from the flag and pride as an event or idea as it no longer represents who we are. I agree with this sentiment. After having been to a few pride events in different cities it seems to me as this is no longer about the freedom to be who we are, it has seemingly been altered to reflect something that says all things are correct and good. This is a false statement/belief. At the conclusion of my last pride experience I won't likely be attending any event/s related to pride. The levels of self disrespect and indecency has become extreme. For those that come from highly conservative religious families/areas this is what is seen and reflected as what the gay culture/lifestyle is about. This becomes an uphill battle to win these folks over to acceptance. Additionally, I think we've forgotten that it is ok for people to disagree. I have no need to be accepted by everyone in every country and I don't think less of them as a result. I'm sure they believe and agree with other things that I don't. As the saying goes, you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps we should be considering whether our actions and appearance are such that respect is deserved and therefore likely earned, rather than shouting about the respect we deserve while acting like children, mid-tantrum. A final mention, I actually shy away from businesses trying to capitalize on the rainbow flag. I go to businesses that can provide what I am looking for at a price I'm willing to pay with the level of service I'm seeking. I care not how they believe or what they think. Not everyone will agree with my post and that is ok as I'm not here to start anything. Stating this as I know others out there are starting to feel as though they are looked down on for not fully accepting the idea of pride and to let those individuals know they are not alone.
@Tom L OMG, I couldn't have said it better! You are 1000% correct! I agree that bigots will be bigots, and no amount of respectability politics will make most of them open their minds and be kind to the LGBT community. It's amazing how internalized homophobia among some in the LGBT community make them want to have disdain for others in the community while complaining that that's why the homophobic people don't like us. It's the typical blaming the victims of discrimination for the oppression they experience.
Mr N, thank you for articulating this. Coming from a violent family, my sexuality was killed. How do i come out as anything, how do i feel pride for this. I hoped it could be rehabbed. When i began to be sexual, it was bi. Something deep at the core remained dead. I'm glad i'm old, being a good sport
What you really should do, honestly, is watch the ultimate respectable gay for the political right in the US - Dave Rubin - invite Ben Shapiro to his anniversary party. Dave has a husband and children and spends all his time on his very large platform trashing the left in this country. That should be enough to earn Ben's respect and acceptance, right? Absolutely not. Ben declines because of his "beliefs", and Dave just lets it slide. He's not willing to stand up for his own family and his own values because he is STILL trying to win the acceptance of Ben and other conservatives. The bigots are the ones with the problem. Stop doing this to yourself.
@@andrewmcmanus9023what you should do is cry about Ben by yourself and stop telling others what they should do. Your era didn’t get equality by crying online today. Those before you did
I agree 100% with this. The LGBT "activism" is now doing harm to the community. It is creating a backlash that will affect those more vulnerable, like LGBT people in the developing world, where the fight for basic rights was still in diapers. I want no part of a Pride "parade" or march where grown men shake their junk in front children, it is wrong.
I've only been to one pride event,and never been back .I didn't feel welcomed,the same with any part of the scene which i have tried. I feel pride for others.
Same here. Never been to pride and don’t want to go. It’s becoming less about pride and identity and becoming more of a sex and kink fest each year. Not that those things are anything to be ashamed of, I just think they should be kept to 18+/21+ venues. I’d feel a lot more comfortable if pride was kept more PG13 at best, and the more R-rated stuff was kept to the clubs and festivals
@@Deadbeatdebonair Well said. Never been to any pride event but agree with you. I also confirmed the sex/R-rated stuff are done by few people. Planning on going to San Diego for my first this July. Excited.
But do prides change anyone’s mind about accepting gays ? Would a homophobe see a pride advent and think oh I’m wrong about my views; it’s all get drunk and dance to pop acts ; no protesting against countries that don’t accept gays ; it has definitely lost its way : and definitely over sexualised;
why are people who have their own opinions about lbgtq--- homophobes etc? we arent afraid of you. just have our own opinion. which probably wont change just because you want to try to " shove it in our faces". the percentage of lbgtq in american adults is only 7.2 %. think about THAT. should we walk around with heterosexual shirts and have sexualized heterosexual parades and involve children around slease?
As an Argentine who has participated in the pride march both in Argentina and in London, I have noticed that the London gay pride is too commercialized, it seems that it was absorbed by capitalism and corporate interests, and even many gays had no idea of the History and the revolutionary origin of the protest
One of your best presentations to date. Keep up the good work, especially for those younger folk who don’t really have a history of living thru all the horrible things that have happened in the last 50 years. I’m 82 and have lived through these things you are discussing. Please keep being as honest as possible. Enjoy your trip to Florida I live in the Fort Lauderdale area and enjoy every minute of it🏳️🌈👌 45:02
As a young gay man in his 20s, I like pride. So long, I've felt like I couldn't express this large part of myself without being ostracized. Pride, to me, means being who you are and being unashamed of your sexuality. Personally, I don't mind the attention from corporations. I'm tired of living in a world where we're invisible, so getting the spotlight isn't that bad especially when it really only happens one month out of the year. I feel like some gays and other members of the LGBT+ community have reached a point where they are comfortable in their own lives (which is a good thing), but, as a result, say things like "everything is fine; LGBT people are complaining about nothing; gay people are who we really need to worry about, not the straight people who have way more representation, presence, power, and attention than the former." Being gay isn't a walk in the park for everybody. People still get assaulted, ostracized, bullied, and disowned for being LGBT. For me, Pride is a symbol of self expression and freedom. I don't think we need to justify celebrating gay Pride. I don't think pride month us perfect, but I am happy that it exists.
😊 It has become a tradition for me to sit down every Wednesday and watch your guys’ videos, it’s been really comforting and reassuring to see a couple live happy and healthy and open and it just really means a lot to me, thank you for everything you guys have been doing 😂
I absolutely love you two as both a couple and hosts on you tube. You are the example of gay couple I am so happy to see. I really enjoy this and all your videos. I would love an episode about how ya'll met and how you got to moving in together. I love that your kids are so accepting to your relationship. So wonderful to see and hear.
I don't do pride anymore I don't feel like I fit in these days. It's like pride isn't about gays and bisexuals anymore. I saw more straight girls and non binary people ay london pride last year than anyone else I think. Also it's become way too commercial. Corporations have taken over, and now we have pride month, which is totally unnecessary in my opinion.
Trans didn't start the pride parades, I don't know why people keep painting them as something they weren't. It was mostly gay and lesbians, you know real homosexual people.
I wish my home city did a decent Pride but unfortunately its very poor so much so that I avoid it. Great job guys on the podcast,looking forward to more. Happy pride 🌈
@user-dy7ls7uo9j really which group is it that covers their faces and attacks women and punches a 74 old women in the face fracturing her eye socket I'll give you a clue its not lgb violence is never acceptable no matter what side your on
I'm deeply concerned about the casual approach taken in this discussion, particularly when addressing a community that is often denied proper education due to their identity. The acceptance of 'rainbow capitalism' without critical examination risks undermining the integrity and honesty that Pride symbols represent. It's not about being 'beggars' or 'choosers'; it's about demanding genuine support, not just marketing strategies. Seeing a rainbow flag can indeed provide comfort, but we must also push for a world where support is shown through meaningful actions, not just symbols. This includes advocating for LGBTQ+ rights, creating inclusive policies, and educating others about the community. We shouldn't settle for 'something is better than nothing.' We should strive for 'something is better when it's sincere and impactful.' Moreover, as members of the LGBTQ+ community, we have a responsibility to those who came before us to seek out the truth and educate ourselves about our history. If we don't take ownership of our narrative, others will, and we risk losing agency over our own story. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to demand more than just token gestures of support. We must ensure our history is preserved, our present is respected, and our future is secure.😖😩😤🌈 By the way P.R.I.D.E. stands for Personal Rights in Defense and Education. Also, pride was never meant to be a child friendly event, its a riotous response to discrimination. Name ONE protest that made sure it was "Family Friendly" , it always has been, and children are not welcome at a protest. You two enjoy many privileges and rights that cost and was paid for with the blood of Proud LGBTQ+ examples of excellence. Shame is what I felt watching this episode.
I came of age in the late 70s and early 80s, and we had Pride marches to protest the legal persecution and rampant harassment of gay people. We were fighting for our lives. For me, Pride today is a whole different animal. Pride has become nothing more than parades and parties. A chance to get wild, and sadly, a chance for the straights to laugh at and be entertained by ‘the gays’, while they do nothing the rest of the year to fight for our rights. Granted, that is progress from when they used to show up to beat the shit out of us while the police turned a blind eye. I can only speak for myself and my experiences, but no one in my thankfully large circle of gay men and lesbians attends Pride events. We don’t relate to the carnival atmosphere. We’ve definitely made progress, but I can’t help but wonder if the party atmosphere is becoming counterproductive to affecting long-term legal and social change for the better.
You mention PlayStation and its catering to local markets. Ironically, ADIDAS apparently is doing the same when marketed with a different pronunciation in North America vs. other parts of the world. Here, it's uh DEE diss, not AH dee doss.
Im gay and i dont need or have to go to pride parade. I agree 💯 with thd comments below. Pride has changed. Todays gay generation is making a mockery of pride and all the hard work generations before fought for the rights. Companies never gave a crap about the LGB in the past, why are they suddenly caring about us now. Even the government is making a mockery of pride. Say what you will about the Republicans and the conservatives. At least they stand by what they believe in. I respect them more then i do the democratic party. The party of diversity has turned its back on the LGB. I suspect many in the LGB is seeing this, but they dont want to speak out, because youll be canceled.
Wow, I can’t believe it’s already been 12 episodes! I love hearing your perspectives and discussions on everything you’ve talked about, especially in this episode. It’s been so comforting to me and I’ve really looked forward to listening to each new episode every Wednesday. I’ve never been to an actual pride, last year I went to a little picnic where some people were performing and I even sang a couple of my original songs for the first time, but my town has a lot of people who are really homophobic and don’t support us, so it was kind of Scary at the same time. It was also hard because although I know both my parents support the community as a whole, I’m not sure if my mom in particular, accepts the fact that me being asexual includes me as a part of the queer community as well. So I am really excited to hopefully be going to a bigger pride event and parade in a couple days with some of my friends in LA. I don’t know what to expect so I’m excited but also anxious because I know that some people don’t think asexuals belong at pride. I love this podcast so much and I am looking forward to season two. Happy pride!!! 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈💓💜❤️
THIS. Also, why is it always held in cordoned off narrow soho streets in London nowadays? It's unpleasant, crammed and messy. I long for the days when they hired open spaces with dance tents etc
Since the T was added its become extremely toxic and violent god forbid if you disagree with them look at that old woman in new zealand punched in the face by an activist
You’re trying so hard when you can just google search who was the face of STONEWALL. It was a black trans individual with a big warm smile. So I’m sorry someone lied to you.
This year will mark my 30 year anniversary of going to Pride marches/events. My first Pride was in London in 1993 and this year I will be attending Manilva Pride near Estepona on the Costa Del Sol…..it is important to me that we are seen together as a community. We aren’t going anywhere is a powerful message
1. The AI transcriber is very poorly performing. The other day it made he into she. This time pride becomes pried and prize!, look becomes lucky, rioting becomes writing, Joel became Jill etc. 2. Not sure that Christian missionary activity is simply "to get more people to come to church". "In my House are many mansions". It should not therefore be surprising that there are all sorts of interpretations of scripture. Very often (I've just done it too) quotes are out of context. Woe unto you if you take seriously "And Judas went and hanged himself". "Go and do thou likewise". I particularly like the Anglican church's capacity for change and for catering for each one's needs. 3. Is one's sexual preference an example of "all walks of life"? 4. Much kudos to Keegan for his coming out. The subject is pretty much taboo in the sporting world almost everywhere. Working in a cultural environment may make coming out easier, but it's always a big step. Well done too, Joel. Hm there's a part of the video which treats one's relationship to one's company/employer. Has Keegan been going around to his colleagues and sporting personalities saying "why are you doing this?" Pride. The antonym 'shame' is usual. But I can't recall ever having been ashamed (more specifically being shamed) for any sexual activity. [e.g. Mum saying, "try not to spill it on the bedroom carpet. Such a problem to clean!" was practical, not critical.] Collins Dictionary is interesting, as it give English usage out of the UK, especially American English usage. The UK and USA definitions of pride seem to have different emphases. (I paraphrase:) UK linked to honour; pride in an achievement (constructing a porch chair, learning a difficult piano piece, memorising one's lines for a first stage performance, daring to go out there in front of a public etc.) USA slightly viewed as arrogance and excessive self-esteem. In both cases, I don't really see why pride enters into something that Keegan says we can't control... our sexuality. Holding hands in public. Do heterosexuals do it more than Gays seem to want to? Play Station. is chiefly established as a Sony subsidiary in California, Japan and London. Should I point out that any individual or company supporting or promoting illegal activity opens themselves to judicial pursuit and heavy penalties? Too sexual? Half the word homosexual is sexual ! Go and do your thing in Soho tonight. Creating a Ghetto!
Honorary Homo here! I just want to thank you guys for this podcast (HHH) and future episodes. It has been enlightening and inspiring. Have a lovely break and see you soon ❤❤❤❤❤
I have to say a lot of prides are changing now if you go to Gran Canaria and other gay friendly countries they have prides for all sorts of people. Gran Canaria has bear pride, rubber pride, summer pride, fetish pride and winter pride. I do think they should do more of that in the UK too. In the parades abroad and the UK you see men in fetish gear all the time, and i think you should be proud to be half naked or proud to wear fetish wear. I think if your offended stay away pride is for everyone. But also i do think that if you want to get very explicit during pride then there are bars pubs and clubs that cater for the more outrageous men or women. But if you do venture into Germany Berlin Or Belgium Antwerp then you will have to give it a miss if you are easily offended about people in fetish wear etc. All i would say is go be yourself just be respectful and who cares what people think, if you want to dress outrageous go for it. I have to see half naked or nude straight women and men on beaches abroad so if they can be so free then so can we. Just do not turn up totally naked for pride in the UK lol!
That was a very interesting watch, thank you (as all the other shows in the first season have been). I particularly liked what you said about trans people & their place at Pride. Looking forward to the 2nd season🌟🌟🌌💜xxx
There is one, google It. Unfortunately people who whine about there not being enough representation for veterans don’t actually care to know that and celebrate that. Instead their own lack of knowledge is used as an excuse to go after pride month
I hate to write this as I’ve thoroughly enjoy your podcast and felt a strong connection to you both and your outlooks/ beliefs… but I have to say that I am really disappointed in the way you discussed kink at Pride. With Keegan been a history buff I would have hoped he would have been aware of the huge part those in fetish communities played in fighting aids and fighting for our rights. I think a TH-cam channel you could learn a lot from in this regard is ‘Watts The Safeword’. They have 1 specific video I’d highly recommend discussing Kink at Pride… that’s if you don’t feel comfortable exploring kink further than that. I’ve really really enjoyed your podcast and I’ve rediscovered your separate channels but I really am disappointed with how you discussed this topic. I’m sorry.
While we definitely should be supporting trans people Im not sure how healthy it is to dismiss the LGB alliance and its supporters when they do alot of good work to support gay rights when other charities seem to have moved on. Oh and btw it wasnt a trans woman who started the stonewall riots so that is some misinformation right there.
I've only been to the parade at Manchester Pride, I feel like the majority of it is for the out there party lifestyle gays. Think it is an important thing and it needs to be more political giveng what's happening at the moment.
Thank you so much, I was part of the creative/diverse group that launched the first Philadelphia Gay Pride Parade & Festival [back in the day] - and have been a participant ever since. Have watched it get political & commercial. I'm still happy & proud. Over the years every person/partner & family (2 moms - 2 dads - 2 teen children) have been participants. Love U, Hugs, Joel - I've followed you for years, again you both are wise & a delight. Thank you again. . . Daddy JoJo
"God may forgive me, but I will never forgive God for making me this way." - Interesting quote from Fellow Travellers. I don't believe in God at all. If he is our Heavenly Father, then social services would have removed the human children from him to a safe house about 5000 years ago.
People who think Pride has become over sexualized are mistaken. Way before the large corporations and businesses sponsored floats and way before every politician in town drives by in an antique car, the gay bars were the sponsors of the large floats. I'm talking about the late seventies and early eighties. There were miles of semi naked men gyrating to canned disco music. Now, it's MUCH more family friendly. (I'm talking about Chicago Pride.)
My other half and I attended the New York City Pride March about 25 years ago. We didn't see ourselves represented, so we left in short order and bar-hopped in lower Manhattan. We have never been to another parade...
The think I like best about attending a pride event (or any gay event for that matter), is I don't have to defend being gay. When I'm in a non-gay setting, I feel I am a representative of the gay community, having to defend the rights of gays. Not so at a gay event.
Congrats on the first season ❤, pride month for June isn’t really a thing in Australia 🇦🇺,because it’s winter here 🥶 ours is Feb/March, summer time! Keep up the amazing work 🎉
I think when it comes to the kink communities involvement in Pride is integral to the movement. Leather/kink/etc. has been apart of the protest since the beginning. Also, sexuality plays apart in what Pride is. It’s not the entirety of what Pride, but plays a role that is part of the history whether you identify with those communities or not.
@@kaymillerfromTX 1) I have never claimed being apart of the fetish community. 2) I was just stating the LGBTQIA+ history and the history of kink/fetish communities involvement in previous Pride marches and parades. Also, attack on one member of the community is an attack on everyone. We are all fighting for equality and acceptance here.
Just because some gay men have been narcissistic enough to make stonewalls anniversary their own kink parade doesn’t make it “history” I said my opinion. It’s foul and disrespectful. Maybe you need to learn the history of stonewall instead of the butt plug
One correction: They weren't "kicked" out of The Stonewall. They were harrassed, dragged out and brutalized by the police. Never forget that The Stonewall Uprising was a riot against Police Brutality.
Keep up the good work, boys❣️ I continue to love taking in the podcast. It is really all about the thoughtfulness of the discussions. I want to throw in my 2 cents' worth, as a gay 55 yr old cis guy in the American South(originally from Seattle). To your early comments about some Christians' claims that pride is sinful and bad. Pu-Lease! You'd think no one has ever heard the concept of single words having multiple definitions. The haters are choosing to apply their conservative Xtian definition, which equates pride with arrogance. It is important to note, though, that gospel references most often apply it to the self-righteous, the Pharisees, NOT to marginalized people asking for a bit of basic social inclusion. Gay Pride, as you pointed out, is first and foremost a social protest, decidely NOT arrogance. But importantly, it is also an antidote to shame, the most toxic negative emotion. Shame is, btw, strongly promoted by Christian organizations. Shame and its sibling, Fear, are the twin weapons toxic religion uses to control the faithful and keep them obedient. No wonder they disparage pride. ....the bastards! 🙃
Best episode yet, I was so drawn in the whole time. You covered so many aspects of what “pride” is and could be, it was very refreshing. Keegan, you were especially eloquent in your explanations and perspectives, well done! Thanks, guys, things like your podcast can really help others, so I applaud you, and send much love to you. Here’s to season 2! ❤❤❤
Comparing the "pup" kink to a Mickey Mouse costume is not a fair comparisson. These sick people are parading around their sexual kink and letting kids approach them while doing that. Just wrong, even if they are a minority, it is hurting the rest of the community. It is innapropriate. Period.
It's June 1st today, so Happy Pride to both of you! 🏳🌈🏳🌈🏳🌈 I can't believe 12 episodes have been released and I've watched all of them and learned quite a bit. And I thank you for that! My first and only Pride Parade was in Asbury Park, NJ and what started out small, grew larger and larger each year.
Hello Gents! Thanks for a very thoughtful program about Pride. I grew up in New York and its suburbs and attended the Pride March from 1979 to 1989. It has changed, yes, but the essential elements remain. You can see how important it is when you look at the faces of the participants and even the observers. Stay strong, stay happy, and remember to bring your good cheer into the world, during Pride and every day! Best wishes from Central Florida!
Love it, love it, love it - Went to Manchester Pride last year loved every minute of it ….. and yes going this year too. Great start to Pride Month, I saw Elton John in Manchester on Wednesday and seeing Olly Alexander on Sunday at a festival in London. Booked into 5 Prides this year 🌈🏉🌈
Hi Keegan and Joel. Congratulations on a very successful first season. I never miss an episode. Keegan was very good with Pride History 101🏳🌈❣So glad you two are there for anyone who may be struggling with Gay life.
@@okorochukwunonso2563 It's a great experience! There's all kinds of things going on. I was there working the booth all weekend. I think we got 400+ contributions to HRC that weekend! So yeah there's lots of people, it's a very laid back fun atmosphere. There's booths for all kinds of organizations and people selling LGBT stuff and giving information. At night, they have concerts. Like when I was at the one in SD, Saturday night, Melissa Etheridge did a concert! It was so amazing! If you can get a VIP ticket, do so, because the line to get in for non-VIP looked like it takes forever! 🙂
In the U.S., Bud Light sales are still reeling from sending a one-off can with a trans woman on it. Target is getting threats against employees because they sell pride items. Libraries are getting defunded for having gay positive books. This is everything Pride is about. We're fighting for visibility and defending our right to exist freely as any non-opressed person. From the early years of pride, they were fighting against the centuries of repression, prudery and outright shame. They were purposely putting it out there as real as it is. Plus, the 70s were the sexual revolution, it all kind of blended together.
The issue is that a lot of the lgbt is overstepping it’s boundaries and trying to include little children. Look up videos of where they have kids read out sections of the books they are banning. If I could get in trouble talking about that subject matter at work, then it has no place being available to children. As for target and Budweiser, the USA has been getting bombarded with LGBT material (media, sports, etc) that it’s annoying and now choosing a side is not a good look.
@@jswats92 I’m not sure if you watch television, but children are exposed to many kinds of boundary crossing materials already. What kind of messaging do children get exposed to at home, passively? There are some things in parades not meant for small kids. While some gay people are having families, a pride parade is not the Macy’s Thanksgiving day parade. It is a protest march against marginalization, oppression and fear. Maybe one tactic would be a child read the boundary-crossing biblical things any child can pick up in a public library? Judging from your context clues, “LGBT” “bombard” and “cross boundaries” with their “annoying” existence. We will not stay hidden or quiet for your comfort. So I suppose we end all kiss-cams at sporting events. All cheerleaders wear burqas from now on. All suggestive heterosexual advertising be banished. All storytimes shall be from the Bible and read by a robot so as not to muddle kiddies malleable minds. Welcome to Afghanistan, Uganda, and some parts of the United States
just because you want to flaunt " whatever" , doesn't mean society should be forced to watch ur sleaze when we r just trying to walk down the streets ir shop w our children. target turned it around and said employees were threatened when they werent. target just had to make a poor excuse because of " complaints ". quit sexualizing our children or mutiliating their private parts! let them decide at age 18. its not being prudish.
The fact that you're acknowledging and talking about the oversexualised kinky NSFW parts of pride events is helpful because... it happens, but it's overrepresented in the media, and I'm put off going to pride because of it, but I've never actually been to a pride event and I don't... really connect with it, but if I did then I certainly wouldn't want to see guys in thongs and gimp masks and leather parading among kids and "normal" gay men. And there's this misrepresentation that that's all pride events are, but I bet it's a small minority of the whole thing, but the fact you and viewers acknowledge it without getting all defensive about pride shows that it's not just straight homophobes that a have an issue with it
I’m sure you noticed some peoples comments on IG giving you grief about going to Florida for vacation with the outrage regarding the state’s legislation negatively impacting the LGBTQ community. Honestly I think it’s total BS for them to do that to you. Their negative comments is no better than what the state is doing. To boycott a vacation destination because political representatives in a state isn’t going to make them change their minds. In fact, not going there gives them (the legislation) what they want and the people who are living there and are part of the LGBTQ community need that support to give them the big middle finger to say, I don’t care if you don’t support us, we are here and we will live our lives in peace and be happy. There’s a large amount of people living in Florida dealing with that and I doubt they will leave their homes and jobs and be driven out of the state because of it. Then the narrow minded people who are pushing that agenda wins. Sorry for the rant but it really made me mad when I saw the comment bashing you for choosing to go there for vacation. xx
They are as crazy as the lot of y’all who keep pretending any of us are moving out of state for a bill most of us LGB’s agree with. Oh wait y’all call it the “don’t say gay” bill which ironically never used that word and was a talking point.
Congratulations on your first season as a cis straight woman I feel blessed to be included as an honorary homo while enjoying each episode. Just a suggestion for possible future guests and episodes on transgender, fellow TH-camr Jamie Raines (jammiedodger) has just released his book “The T in LGBT” his PHD was also in the field of transgender research. Jamie is a great speaker, down to earth and funny, as is his wife Shaba. Cheers 😘🇦🇺🐨
When the Big Brands, Names, or others, show their support in Pride Period, I do understand that in contries where it's still illegal they do low their voice. In most of those contries, showing support Can have serious backlashes. Contries where being gay+ still illegal are not like this, against their majorities habitants wills. Sometimes, staying silent is more helpful than shouting loud in an hostile environnement.
11:22 the way I see it there’s different ways of being proud. Pride month to me is like someone being proud of your achievements it’s the community coming together and being proud and celebrating their achievements and their growth since those first marches back in the day, it’s not like the majority of people are flaunting their sexualities and saying how much better they are than everyone.
I worry that it is a balance. Kids are the future and if Pride is going to retain its meaning in the future and these kids are going to benefit from the lessons of Pride and the support it grants, then families need to feel comfortable attending and media coverage needs to give that impression. On the other hand... it wasn't families with children at Stonewall, or Pulse Nightclub, or a lot of other gathering places. It certainly wasn't the media, who have a lot to answer for, including misrepresenting photos from Folsom as more well-rounded Pride festivals. It was people who were there to be themselves and seek out intimacy and were unapologetically dressed in "strange" clothing and considered undesirable by wider, passing society. Could an argument be made that perhaps assless chaps and outright nudity and more provocative sexual behavior are disturbing to other people at Pride, and there should be alternatives? Maybe... but they're among the people who fought for the right to have Pride Festivals, who are the biggest targets. And telling them they shouldn't be at Pride is not something I'd feel comfortable doing. And again, maybe there should be agreement to limit nudity (especially with attacks and anti-LGBTQIA+ rulings and police brutality... being prepared to have more protection is better than less), but these people deserve a place at Pride. You guys do amazing things and are reaching so many people, and I'm so happy the first season has gone so well and I always look forward to your videos on here, but I thought around the subject of exclusions and restrictions we need to be very careful. But yeah, no anti-trans groups. Police probably shouldn't be there in uniform either, given the Stonewall origins.
The word pride can seem problematic because of it's relationship with ego. But healthy ego is necessary or some people will walk all over you and deny your voice and basic right to even exist.
Guys, please stop perpetuating this false binary between "oversexualized" people and the people who conform to straight cisgender society. You might think it is helpful for gaining broader acceptance to tell straight people "I'm not one of *those* gays" wearing the pup hoods that you're reacting to, or doing other things that clearly aren't appropriate for kids. It's not a valid argument, and here's the most important reason why. The gays doing the sexual acting out that you find gross are, in fact, in search of the same kind of love and acceptance that you are. They're just searching for it in different places, and it is not your job to cast broad judgment on things you clearly don't know very much about. People are trying to erase all of us, including you, no matter how much you behave and conform. So please stop with the binary. Other members of your community aren't worth picking on.
No one is picking on anyone. It’s a valid question to ask if kink culture is appropriate at family friendly pride parades. It’s concerning that you don’t think it is too!
@@happyhealthyhomo you seemed to have missed the bit above where I said "things that clearly aren't appropriate for kids." Kink isn't appropriate for children. It's why there are separate spaces at pride, like there should be. That's how they do things here in Chicago. I just hope you realize that no amount of conformity is ever going to prevent some right-winger from calling you a groomer.
If you seriously think we’re picking on or ostracising people within the community, I feel you’ve totally got the wrong end of the stick. Of course people are looking for love/acceptance/understanding and that’s cool but there are healthier and unhealthier ways of doing it and until someone tells someone that then they’re going to continue to have unhealthy interactions and experiences. By letting people behave in ways that are detrimental to their health you’re doing them and the community a massive disservice. It has nothing to do with conformity, in fact, it’s the opposite
@@keeganandjoel I really think you'd be speaking differently about all of this if you had a more nuanced understanding of other members of your own community. Because a lot of the things you consider "detrimental" aren't necessarily so for some people. By the way, I'd say "I watch you guys because my views are different than yours" but that's simply not true, because I often agree with you. But I've also been out for 20 years and know that gay life is way too complex to reduce to the binaries I mentioned. I really hope you're able to learn more.
If you seriously think we’re picking on or ostracising people within the community, I feel you’ve totally got the wrong end of the stick. Of course people are looking for love/acceptance/understanding and that’s cool but there are healthier and unhealthier ways of doing it and until someone tells someone that then they’re going to continue to have unhealthy interactions and experiences. By letting people behave in ways that are detrimental to their health you’re doing them and the community a massive disservice. It has nothing to do with conformity, in fact, it’s the opposite
Definitely only buy pride merch if you know the company has history of LGBT support or actively donate… I’m like Joel where I always feel like I’m about to be attacked for showing affection in public but it’s nice to relax w/ your group around you.
I don't know about Manchester but kinksters are very much part of London Pride. I have walked with Recon (who also do a podcast) for several years and last year we teamed up with London Leathermen for a more visible presence. You may think kinksters are 'inappropriate' but, remember, lgbt people were oppressed not because of who we loved but because of whom we had sex with. Sex-positive kinksters are a FUNDAMENTAL part of Pride. Research the Spanner case.
I like watching you guys the English charm I only went to one pride march. I never came out and I won't. It's nobodys bissnes the margarty are to open I never talked with a gay speech or afemanate jesters
Oh please, stop using age as an excuse. PLEENTTY of hot fit men over 50 getting guys half their age all day long. Youre either hot or your not, this didnt magically change the second you turned 50
New York, New York manchester ..mmm happy days , first went there in mid 80s ..... If you want to know more about gay history, listen to the making gay history podcasts or queer history. The making gay history podcasts are especially fascinating and will show you the groundbreaking heroes of the movement , who were campaigning and suffering discrimination etc long before Stonewall. Find out about great characters such as Harry Hay , Randy Wicker, Barbara Gittings and Vito Russo . Also, in the UK find out about the history of Peter Wildeblood, the Montagu Scandal and the Wolfenden report. All fascinating stuff ;-)
Fundamentalist promote fear because that's all they know. It's fire insurance against hell and sin management as a lifestyle. It's not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is love God, love others and demonstrate Jesus.
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I’m a gay man in my mid 30s, Im married to the love of my life and born in the south of the US. I’ve seen hate, hate is ugly and should never happen. My husband and I both come out to our families, my family was loving and excepting, my husbands not so much, his family are super religious and it took some time but now they support us and it’s a beautiful thing because it was hard on my husband.
As for pride, we are torn on it, we think it’s lost it’s meaning, the sexualizing and partying of it in our opinion has ruined it. It should always be family friendly, when men and women are almost naked and drunk, we don’t want our kids seeing belligerent people. We believe pride should be a reminder of how far we’ve all come, a history lesson, teaching people about sexually transmitted diseases, of course march and we hope that one day we won’t even need a pride month because it’s become so normalized and excepted that’s it’s not needed.
But, this is just the opinion of two gays that love each other and love all of you.
As a young gay its very nice to hear uplifting stories like this
Aww...We love you and yours too.🥰
I agree with pride 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈 Always proud of who we are 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈 Gay Power ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
I'm gay in the U.S. I'm meeting more and more gays that are distancing themselves from the flag and pride as an event or idea as it no longer represents who we are. I agree with this sentiment. After having been to a few pride events in different cities it seems to me as this is no longer about the freedom to be who we are, it has seemingly been altered to reflect something that says all things are correct and good. This is a false statement/belief. At the conclusion of my last pride experience I won't likely be attending any event/s related to pride. The levels of self disrespect and indecency has become extreme. For those that come from highly conservative religious families/areas this is what is seen and reflected as what the gay culture/lifestyle is about. This becomes an uphill battle to win these folks over to acceptance. Additionally, I think we've forgotten that it is ok for people to disagree. I have no need to be accepted by everyone in every country and I don't think less of them as a result. I'm sure they believe and agree with other things that I don't. As the saying goes, you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps we should be considering whether our actions and appearance are such that respect is deserved and therefore likely earned, rather than shouting about the respect we deserve while acting like children, mid-tantrum. A final mention, I actually shy away from businesses trying to capitalize on the rainbow flag. I go to businesses that can provide what I am looking for at a price I'm willing to pay with the level of service I'm seeking. I care not how they believe or what they think. Not everyone will agree with my post and that is ok as I'm not here to start anything. Stating this as I know others out there are starting to feel as though they are looked down on for not fully accepting the idea of pride and to let those individuals know they are not alone.
@Tom L OMG, I couldn't have said it better! You are 1000% correct! I agree that bigots will be bigots, and no amount of respectability politics will make most of them open their minds and be kind to the LGBT community.
It's amazing how internalized homophobia among some in the LGBT community make them want to have disdain for others in the community while complaining that that's why the homophobic people don't like us. It's the typical blaming the victims of discrimination for the oppression they experience.
Mr N, thank you for articulating this. Coming from a violent family, my sexuality was killed. How do i come out as anything, how do i feel pride for this. I hoped it could be rehabbed. When i began to be sexual, it was bi. Something deep at the core remained dead. I'm glad i'm old, being a good sport
What you really should do, honestly, is watch the ultimate respectable gay for the political right in the US - Dave Rubin - invite Ben Shapiro to his anniversary party. Dave has a husband and children and spends all his time on his very large platform trashing the left in this country. That should be enough to earn Ben's respect and acceptance, right? Absolutely not. Ben declines because of his "beliefs", and Dave just lets it slide. He's not willing to stand up for his own family and his own values because he is STILL trying to win the acceptance of Ben and other conservatives. The bigots are the ones with the problem. Stop doing this to yourself.
@@andrewmcmanus9023what you should do is cry about Ben by yourself and stop telling others what they should do. Your era didn’t get equality by crying online today. Those before you did
I agree 100% with this. The LGBT "activism" is now doing harm to the community. It is creating a backlash that will affect those more vulnerable, like LGBT people in the developing world, where the fight for basic rights was still in diapers. I want no part of a Pride "parade" or march where grown men shake their junk in front children, it is wrong.
I've only been to one pride event,and never been back .I didn't feel welcomed,the same with any part of the scene which i have tried. I feel pride for others.
I don't go anymore either I don't care what city I'm in
So sorry about that experience. Please why did't you feel welcomed? I'm planning on going to my first pride event soon.
Same here. Never been to pride and don’t want to go. It’s becoming less about pride and identity and becoming more of a sex and kink fest each year. Not that those things are anything to be ashamed of, I just think they should be kept to 18+/21+ venues. I’d feel a lot more comfortable if pride was kept more PG13 at best, and the more R-rated stuff was kept to the clubs and festivals
@@Deadbeatdebonair Well said. Never been to any pride event but agree with you. I also confirmed the sex/R-rated stuff are done by few people. Planning on going to San Diego for my first this July. Excited.
@@Deadbeatdebonairfully agree with you never been to pride myself and feel no need to go. It's way too over sexualised
But do prides change anyone’s mind about accepting gays ? Would a homophobe see a pride advent and think oh I’m wrong about my views; it’s all get drunk and dance to pop acts ; no protesting against countries that don’t accept gays ; it has definitely lost its way : and definitely over sexualised;
why are people who have their own opinions about lbgtq--- homophobes etc? we arent afraid of you. just have our own opinion. which probably wont change just because you want to try to " shove it in our faces". the percentage of lbgtq in american adults is only 7.2 %. think about THAT. should we walk around with heterosexual shirts and have sexualized heterosexual parades and involve children around slease?
As an Argentine who has participated in the pride march both in Argentina and in London, I have noticed that the London gay pride is too commercialized, it seems that it was absorbed by capitalism and corporate interests, and even many gays had no idea of the History and the revolutionary origin of the protest
One of your best presentations to date. Keep up the good work, especially for those younger folk who don’t really have a history of living thru all the horrible things that have happened in the last 50 years. I’m 82 and have lived through these things you are discussing. Please keep being as honest as possible. Enjoy your trip to Florida I live in the Fort Lauderdale area and enjoy every minute of it🏳️🌈👌 45:02
As a young gay man in his 20s, I like pride. So long, I've felt like I couldn't express this large part of myself without being ostracized. Pride, to me, means being who you are and being unashamed of your sexuality. Personally, I don't mind the attention from corporations. I'm tired of living in a world where we're invisible, so getting the spotlight isn't that bad especially when it really only happens one month out of the year. I feel like some gays and other members of the LGBT+ community have reached a point where they are comfortable in their own lives (which is a good thing), but, as a result, say things like "everything is fine; LGBT people are complaining about nothing; gay people are who we really need to worry about, not the straight people who have way more representation, presence, power, and attention than the former." Being gay isn't a walk in the park for everybody. People still get assaulted, ostracized, bullied, and disowned for being LGBT. For me, Pride is a symbol of self expression and freedom. I don't think we need to justify celebrating gay Pride. I don't think pride month us perfect, but I am happy that it exists.
Kink doesn't belong in the public. People will always have some kinks, some can be fun but keep it at home.
Public displays of sex expression is always going to be an issue
thank you
😊 It has become a tradition for me to sit down every Wednesday and watch your guys’ videos, it’s been really comforting and reassuring to see a couple live happy and healthy and open and it just really means a lot to me, thank you for everything you guys have been doing 😂
I absolutely love you two as both a couple and hosts on you tube. You are the example of gay couple I am so happy to see. I really enjoy this and all your videos. I would love an episode about how ya'll met and how you got to moving in together. I love that your kids are so accepting to your relationship. So wonderful to see and hear.
I don't do pride because I hate crowds
I don't do pride anymore I don't feel like I fit in these days. It's like pride isn't about gays and bisexuals anymore. I saw more straight girls and non binary people ay london pride last year than anyone else I think. Also it's become way too commercial. Corporations have taken over, and now we have pride month, which is totally unnecessary in my opinion.
Thanks guys! 👍
Trans didn't start the pride parades, I don't know why people keep painting them as something they weren't.
It was mostly gay and lesbians, you know real homosexual people.
The Drag queens were at the Stonewall Uprising. Somehow, history has been altered to “transgendered.”
I wish my home city did a decent Pride but unfortunately its very poor so much so that I avoid it. Great job guys on the podcast,looking forward to more. Happy pride 🌈
Stopped pride events too expensive 😔 good old pink pound yet again 😔
I'm sorry but lgb is not a hate group just because they disagree with you ,difference of opinion is allowed you know as long as its peaceful
Lgb is not just peaceful disagreement, it is virulent hate and rejection of trans people.
@@user-dy7ls7uo9j -as it should be everybody should reject trans Ideology any group of people that groom children should be rejected
@@user-dy7ls7uo9j wanting to have a separate group to concentrate on concerns directly around sexuality rather than gender is not hate.
@user-dy7ls7uo9j really which group is it that covers their faces and attacks women and punches a 74 old women in the face fracturing her eye socket I'll give you a clue its not lgb violence is never acceptable no matter what side your on
@@danbrowne7796 Unfortunately, we don’t have one in the States.
I'm deeply concerned about the casual approach taken in this discussion, particularly when addressing a community that is often denied proper education due to their identity. The acceptance of 'rainbow capitalism' without critical examination risks undermining the integrity and honesty that Pride symbols represent. It's not about being 'beggars' or 'choosers'; it's about demanding genuine support, not just marketing strategies.
Seeing a rainbow flag can indeed provide comfort, but we must also push for a world where support is shown through meaningful actions, not just symbols. This includes advocating for LGBTQ+ rights, creating inclusive policies, and educating others about the community. We shouldn't settle for 'something is better than nothing.' We should strive for 'something is better when it's sincere and impactful.'
Moreover, as members of the LGBTQ+ community, we have a responsibility to those who came before us to seek out the truth and educate ourselves about our history. If we don't take ownership of our narrative, others will, and we risk losing agency over our own story. We owe it to ourselves and future generations to demand more than just token gestures of support. We must ensure our history is preserved, our present is respected, and our future is secure.😖😩😤🌈
By the way P.R.I.D.E. stands for Personal Rights in Defense and Education. Also, pride was never meant to be a child friendly event, its a riotous response to discrimination. Name ONE protest that made sure it was "Family Friendly" , it always has been, and children are not welcome at a protest.
You two enjoy many privileges and rights that cost and was paid for with the blood of Proud LGBTQ+ examples of excellence. Shame is what I felt watching this episode.
I came of age in the late 70s and early 80s, and we had Pride marches to protest the legal persecution and rampant harassment of gay people. We were fighting for our lives. For me, Pride today is a whole different animal. Pride has become nothing more than parades and parties. A chance to get wild, and sadly, a chance for the straights to laugh at and be entertained by ‘the gays’, while they do nothing the rest of the year to fight for our rights. Granted, that is progress from when they used to show up to beat the shit out of us while the police turned a blind eye.
I can only speak for myself and my experiences, but no one in my thankfully large circle of gay men and lesbians attends Pride events. We don’t relate to the carnival atmosphere. We’ve definitely made progress, but I can’t help but wonder if the party atmosphere is becoming counterproductive to affecting long-term legal and social change for the better.
You nailed it.
You mention PlayStation and its catering to local markets. Ironically, ADIDAS apparently is doing the same when marketed with a different pronunciation in North America vs. other parts of the world. Here, it's uh DEE diss, not AH dee doss.
I’m gay, never been to a pride event and honestly never will.
Im gay and i dont need or have to go to pride parade. I agree 💯 with thd comments below. Pride has changed. Todays gay generation is making a mockery of pride and all the hard work generations before fought for the rights. Companies never gave a crap about the LGB in the past, why are they suddenly caring about us now. Even the government is making a mockery of pride. Say what you will about the Republicans and the conservatives. At least they stand by what they believe in. I respect them more then i do the democratic party. The party of diversity has turned its back on the LGB. I suspect many in the LGB is seeing this, but they dont want to speak out, because youll be canceled.
Wow, I can’t believe it’s already been 12 episodes! I love hearing your perspectives and discussions on everything you’ve talked about, especially in this episode. It’s been so comforting to me and I’ve really looked forward to listening to each new episode every Wednesday. I’ve never been to an actual pride, last year I went to a little picnic where some people were performing and I even sang a couple of my original songs for the first time, but my town has a lot of people who are really homophobic and don’t support us, so it was kind of Scary at the same time. It was also hard because although I know both my parents support the community as a whole, I’m not sure if my mom in particular, accepts the fact that me being asexual includes me as a part of the queer community as well. So I am really excited to hopefully be going to a bigger pride event and parade in a couple days with some of my friends in LA. I don’t know what to expect so I’m excited but also anxious because I know that some people don’t think asexuals belong at pride. I love this podcast so much and I am looking forward to season two. Happy pride!!! 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈💓💜❤️
I think pride is great when someone's coming to terms with their sexuality or in their 20s after that I think it holds less meaning.
THIS. Also, why is it always held in cordoned off narrow soho streets in London nowadays? It's unpleasant, crammed and messy. I long for the days when they hired open spaces with dance tents etc
the odd people really do stand out.
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I enjoy hearing you guys talk and the conversations you guys bring up. Can’t wait for the next season. Happy pride
what a LIE trans people did not start pride you should know the real gay history about Stonewall
Since the T was added its become extremely toxic and violent god forbid if you disagree with them look at that old woman in new zealand punched in the face by an activist
You’re trying so hard when you can just google search who was the face of STONEWALL. It was a black trans individual with a big warm smile. So I’m sorry someone lied to you.
@@SuperExtrovert - It was a Black LESBIAN, not that Black Drag Queen Marsha P. Johnson who didn't show up until after the fact
@@whiskers1776 - exactly and they are trying to erase Lesbian and now gay men so screw that queer movement
@@ericmartin9296 were you there?
This year will mark my 30 year anniversary of going to Pride marches/events. My first Pride was in London in 1993 and this year I will be attending Manilva Pride near Estepona on the Costa Del Sol…..it is important to me that we are seen together as a community. We aren’t going anywhere is a powerful message
Keagan's intro always makes me smile. 'We're still boyfriends' 😂😂
You both are so adorable. Love!🥰
1. The AI transcriber is very poorly performing.
The other day it made he into she.
This time pride becomes pried and prize!, look becomes lucky, rioting becomes writing, Joel became Jill etc.
2. Not sure that Christian missionary activity is simply "to get more people to come to church".
"In my House are many mansions". It should not therefore be surprising that there are all sorts of interpretations of scripture.
Very often (I've just done it too) quotes are out of context.
Woe unto you if you take seriously "And Judas went and hanged himself". "Go and do thou likewise".
I particularly like the Anglican church's capacity for change and for catering for each one's needs.
3. Is one's sexual preference an example of "all walks of life"?
4. Much kudos to Keegan for his coming out. The subject is pretty much taboo in the sporting world almost everywhere.
Working in a cultural environment may make coming out easier, but it's always a big step. Well done too, Joel.
Hm there's a part of the video which treats one's relationship to one's company/employer. Has Keegan been going around to his colleagues and sporting personalities saying "why are you doing this?"
Pride.
The antonym 'shame' is usual. But I can't recall ever having been ashamed (more specifically being shamed) for any sexual activity.
[e.g. Mum saying, "try not to spill it on the bedroom carpet. Such a problem to clean!" was practical, not critical.]
Collins Dictionary is interesting, as it give English usage out of the UK, especially American English usage.
The UK and USA definitions of pride seem to have different emphases.
(I paraphrase:)
UK linked to honour; pride in an achievement (constructing a porch chair, learning a difficult piano piece, memorising one's lines for a first stage performance, daring to go out there in front of a public etc.)
USA slightly viewed as arrogance and excessive self-esteem.
In both cases, I don't really see why pride enters into something that Keegan says we can't control... our sexuality.
Holding hands in public.
Do heterosexuals do it more than Gays seem to want to?
Play Station.
is chiefly established as a Sony subsidiary in California, Japan and London.
Should I point out that any individual or company supporting or promoting illegal activity opens themselves to judicial pursuit and heavy penalties?
Too sexual?
Half the word homosexual is sexual !
Go and do your thing in Soho tonight.
Creating a Ghetto!
Honorary Homo here! I just want to thank you guys for this podcast (HHH) and future episodes. It has been enlightening and inspiring. Have a lovely break and see you soon ❤❤❤❤❤
I have to say a lot of prides are changing now if you go to Gran Canaria and other gay friendly countries they have prides for all sorts of people.
Gran Canaria has bear pride, rubber pride, summer pride, fetish pride and winter pride.
I do think they should do more of that in the UK too.
In the parades abroad and the UK you see men in fetish gear all the time, and i think you should be proud to be half naked or proud to wear fetish wear.
I think if your offended stay away pride is for everyone.
But also i do think that if you want to get very explicit during pride then there are bars pubs and clubs that cater for the more outrageous men or women.
But if you do venture into Germany Berlin Or Belgium Antwerp then you will have to give it a miss if you are easily offended about people in fetish wear etc.
All i would say is go be yourself just be respectful and who cares what people think, if you want to dress outrageous go for it.
I have to see half naked or nude straight women and men on beaches abroad so if they can be so free then so can we.
Just do not turn up totally naked for pride in the UK lol!
I can't believe it's already TWELVE episodes. Great job. Can't wait for the vlogs and next season. So much good in this one, again.
That was a very interesting watch, thank you (as all the other shows in the first season have been). I particularly liked what you said about trans people & their place at Pride. Looking forward to the 2nd season🌟🌟🌌💜xxx
I think we should have military veterans month instead of one day in November
There is one, google It. Unfortunately people who whine about there not being enough representation for veterans don’t actually care to know that and celebrate that. Instead their own lack of knowledge is used as an excuse to go after pride month
and a straight white man month
We do in America. It’s May - military appreciation month.
@@mrg-k2rEvery month of the year is straight white man month. Really!
Would Luke to the two of you discuss gay voice, up speak and vocal fry and its use in our community ity.
Good discussion
I hate to write this as I’ve thoroughly enjoy your podcast and felt a strong connection to you both and your outlooks/ beliefs… but I have to say that I am really disappointed in the way you discussed kink at Pride. With Keegan been a history buff I would have hoped he would have been aware of the huge part those in fetish communities played in fighting aids and fighting for our rights.
I think a TH-cam channel you could learn a lot from in this regard is ‘Watts The Safeword’. They have 1 specific video I’d highly recommend discussing Kink at Pride… that’s if you don’t feel comfortable exploring kink further than that.
I’ve really really enjoyed your podcast and I’ve rediscovered your separate channels but I really am disappointed with how you discussed this topic.
I’m sorry.
You guys are awesome! Love the show!
While we definitely should be supporting trans people Im not sure how healthy it is to dismiss the LGB alliance and its supporters when they do alot of good work to support gay rights when other charities seem to have moved on. Oh and btw it wasnt a trans woman who started the stonewall riots so that is some misinformation right there.
I've only been to the parade at Manchester Pride, I feel like the majority of it is for the out there party lifestyle gays. Think it is an important thing and it needs to be more political giveng what's happening at the moment.
The rainbow 🌈 flag was adopted by the NHS during the pandemic and the flag was posted everywhere for the NHS shops house's ect
Thank you so much, I was part of the creative/diverse group that launched the first Philadelphia Gay Pride Parade & Festival [back in the day] - and have been a participant ever since. Have watched it get political & commercial. I'm still happy & proud. Over the years every person/partner & family (2 moms - 2 dads - 2 teen children) have been participants. Love U, Hugs, Joel - I've followed you for years, again you both are wise & a delight. Thank you again. . . Daddy JoJo
"God may forgive me, but I will never forgive God for making me this way." - Interesting quote from Fellow Travellers. I don't believe in God at all. If he is our Heavenly Father, then social services would have removed the human children from him to a safe house about 5000 years ago.
Happy Pride from New Zealand 🏳🌈
Just add a rainbow print to whatever. A smart consumer looks at who is selling this and how does my purchase empower our community?
People who think Pride has become over sexualized are mistaken. Way before the large corporations and businesses sponsored floats and way before every politician in town drives by in an antique car, the gay bars were the sponsors of the large floats. I'm talking about the late seventies and early eighties. There were miles of semi naked men gyrating to canned disco music. Now, it's MUCH more family friendly. (I'm talking about Chicago Pride.)
Incredible content. Thank you........
Hi, Joel!!!! It is Hollybeth in Kansas, USA. My little Alexander is well & enjoying school being off until August! Hello, Keegan. Have a great day!!
My other half and I attended the New York City Pride March about 25 years ago. We didn't see ourselves represented, so we left in short order and bar-hopped in lower Manhattan. We have never been to another parade...
The think I like best about attending a pride event (or any gay event for that matter), is I don't have to defend being gay. When I'm in a non-gay setting, I feel I am a representative of the gay community, having to defend the rights of gays. Not so at a gay event.
Congrats on the first season ❤, pride month for June isn’t really a thing in Australia 🇦🇺,because it’s winter here 🥶 ours is Feb/March, summer time! Keep up the amazing work 🎉
I think when it comes to the kink communities involvement in Pride is integral to the movement. Leather/kink/etc. has been apart of the protest since the beginning. Also, sexuality plays apart in what Pride is. It’s not the entirety of what Pride, but plays a role that is part of the history whether you identify with those communities or not.
Stop attacking our fight for equality to your fetishes.
@@kaymillerfromTX 1) I have never claimed being apart of the fetish community.
2) I was just stating the LGBTQIA+ history and the history of kink/fetish communities involvement in previous Pride marches and parades.
Also, attack on one member of the community is an attack on everyone. We are all fighting for equality and acceptance here.
Just because some gay men have been narcissistic enough to make stonewalls anniversary their own kink parade doesn’t make it “history” I said my opinion. It’s foul and disrespectful. Maybe you need to learn the history of stonewall instead of the butt plug
One correction: They weren't "kicked" out of The Stonewall. They were harrassed, dragged out and brutalized by the police. Never forget that The Stonewall Uprising was a riot against Police Brutality.
Keep up the good work, boys❣️ I continue to love taking in the podcast. It is really all about the thoughtfulness of the discussions.
I want to throw in my 2 cents' worth, as a gay 55 yr old cis guy in the American South(originally from Seattle). To your early comments about some Christians' claims that pride is sinful and bad. Pu-Lease! You'd think no one has ever heard the concept of single words having multiple definitions. The haters are choosing to apply their conservative Xtian definition, which equates pride with arrogance. It is important to note, though, that gospel references most often apply it to the self-righteous, the Pharisees, NOT to marginalized people asking for a bit of basic social inclusion.
Gay Pride, as you pointed out, is first and foremost a social protest, decidely NOT arrogance. But importantly, it is also an antidote to shame, the most toxic negative emotion. Shame is, btw, strongly promoted by Christian organizations. Shame and its sibling, Fear, are the twin weapons toxic religion uses to control the faithful and keep them obedient. No wonder they disparage pride. ....the bastards! 🙃
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Another fantastic episode guys. Awesome topics. So relevant! 🏳️🌈
Best episode yet, I was so drawn in the whole time. You covered so many aspects of what “pride” is and could be, it was very refreshing. Keegan, you were especially eloquent in your explanations and perspectives, well done! Thanks, guys, things like your podcast can really help others, so I applaud you, and send much love to you. Here’s to season 2! ❤❤❤
Comparing the "pup" kink to a Mickey Mouse costume is not a fair comparisson. These sick people are parading around their sexual kink and letting kids approach them while doing that. Just wrong, even if they are a minority, it is hurting the rest of the community. It is innapropriate. Period.
It's June 1st today, so Happy Pride to both of you! 🏳🌈🏳🌈🏳🌈 I can't believe 12 episodes have been released and I've watched all of them and learned quite a bit. And I thank you for that! My first and only Pride Parade was in Asbury Park, NJ and what started out small, grew larger and larger each year.
Love it, happy pride!
Hello Gents!
Thanks for a very thoughtful program about Pride. I grew up in New York and its suburbs and attended the Pride March from 1979 to 1989. It has changed, yes, but the essential elements remain. You can see how important it is when you look at the faces of the participants and even the observers. Stay strong, stay happy, and remember to bring your good cheer into the world, during Pride and every day!
Best wishes from Central Florida!
I'm out, but semi-hidden because of the area I live in. I long to be with "my people". Happy Pride all!
Love it, love it, love it - Went to Manchester Pride last year loved every minute of it ….. and yes going this year too. Great start to Pride Month, I saw Elton John in Manchester on Wednesday and seeing Olly Alexander on Sunday at a festival in London. Booked into 5 Prides this year 🌈🏉🌈
Hi Keegan and Joel. Congratulations on a very successful first season. I never miss an episode. Keegan was very good with Pride History 101🏳🌈❣So glad you two are there for anyone who may be struggling with Gay life.
I went to four prides in 2019: San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland, San Diego. All volunteering at the HRC booth. 🙂
I will be in San Diego this July for my first ever pride. Please tell me what to expect? I hope I get to have fun.
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It's a great experience! There's all kinds of things going on. I was there working the booth all weekend. I think we got 400+ contributions to HRC that weekend!
So yeah there's lots of people, it's a very laid back fun atmosphere. There's booths for all kinds of organizations and people selling LGBT stuff and giving information. At night, they have concerts. Like when I was at the one in SD, Saturday night, Melissa Etheridge did a concert! It was so amazing!
If you can get a VIP ticket, do so, because the line to get in for non-VIP looked like it takes forever! 🙂
if you are gay and not out you can celebrate the fact that you can choose how and when you can come out . nowbody will tatoo it on you .
In the U.S., Bud Light sales are still reeling from sending a one-off can with a trans woman on it. Target is getting threats against employees because they sell pride items. Libraries are getting defunded for having gay positive books. This is everything Pride is about. We're fighting for visibility and defending our right to exist freely as any non-opressed person.
From the early years of pride, they were fighting against the centuries of repression, prudery and outright shame. They were purposely putting it out there as real as it is. Plus, the 70s were the sexual revolution, it all kind of blended together.
The issue is that a lot of the lgbt is overstepping it’s boundaries and trying to include little children.
Look up videos of where they have kids read out sections of the books they are banning. If I could get in trouble talking about that subject matter at work, then it has no place being available to children.
As for target and Budweiser, the USA has been getting bombarded with LGBT material (media, sports, etc) that it’s annoying and now choosing a side is not a good look.
@@jswats92 I’m not sure if you watch television, but children are exposed to many kinds of boundary crossing materials already. What kind of messaging do children get exposed to at home, passively?
There are some things in parades not meant for small kids. While some gay people are having families, a pride parade is not the Macy’s Thanksgiving day parade. It is a protest march against marginalization, oppression and fear.
Maybe one tactic would be a child read the boundary-crossing biblical things any child can pick up in a public library?
Judging from your context clues, “LGBT” “bombard” and “cross boundaries” with their “annoying” existence. We will not stay hidden or quiet for your comfort.
So I suppose we end all kiss-cams at sporting events. All cheerleaders wear burqas from now on. All suggestive heterosexual advertising be banished. All storytimes shall be from the Bible and read by a robot so as not to muddle kiddies malleable minds.
Welcome to Afghanistan, Uganda, and some parts of the United States
just because you want to flaunt " whatever" , doesn't mean society should be forced to watch ur sleaze when we r just trying to walk down the streets ir shop w our children. target turned it around and said employees were threatened when they werent. target just had to make a poor excuse because of " complaints ". quit sexualizing our children or mutiliating their private parts! let them decide at age 18. its not being prudish.
@@mrg-k2r how G rimmm
@@CRexcelsiorno, we aren’t oppressed. We are equal. Stop using the rest of us to parade around in a harness
Thumbs up for the legs 👍🏼 😉
Be happy!!
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The fact that you're acknowledging and talking about the oversexualised kinky NSFW parts of pride events is helpful because... it happens, but it's overrepresented in the media, and I'm put off going to pride because of it, but I've never actually been to a pride event and I don't... really connect with it, but if I did then I certainly wouldn't want to see guys in thongs and gimp masks and leather parading among kids and "normal" gay men. And there's this misrepresentation that that's all pride events are, but I bet it's a small minority of the whole thing, but the fact you and viewers acknowledge it without getting all defensive about pride shows that it's not just straight homophobes that a have an issue with it
there should be a dress code like in the Muslim countries
I’m sure you noticed some peoples comments on IG giving you grief about going to Florida for vacation with the outrage regarding the state’s legislation negatively impacting the LGBTQ community. Honestly I think it’s total BS for them to do that to you. Their negative comments is no better than what the state is doing. To boycott a vacation destination because political representatives in a state isn’t going to make them change their minds. In fact, not going there gives them (the legislation) what they want and the people who are living there and are part of the LGBTQ community need that support to give them the big middle finger to say, I don’t care if you don’t support us, we are here and we will live our lives in peace and be happy. There’s a large amount of people living in Florida dealing with that and I doubt they will leave their homes and jobs and be driven out of the state because of it. Then the narrow minded people who are pushing that agenda wins. Sorry for the rant but it really made me mad when I saw the comment bashing you for choosing to go there for vacation. xx
They are as crazy as the lot of y’all who keep pretending any of us are moving out of state for a bill most of us LGB’s agree with. Oh wait y’all call it the “don’t say gay” bill which ironically never used that word and was a talking point.
Congratulations on your first season as a cis straight woman I feel blessed to be included as an honorary homo while enjoying each episode. Just a suggestion for possible future guests and episodes on transgender, fellow TH-camr Jamie Raines (jammiedodger) has just released his book “The T in LGBT” his PHD was also in the field of transgender research. Jamie is a great speaker, down to earth and funny, as is his wife Shaba. Cheers 😘🇦🇺🐨
You're not cis you're just female. I'm certainly not "cis" male, just male. I hate this compelled speech
What pod cast have you addressed age difference in relationships?
When the Big Brands, Names, or others, show their support in Pride Period, I do understand that in contries where it's still illegal they do low their voice.
In most of those contries, showing support Can have serious backlashes.
Contries where being gay+ still illegal are not like this, against their majorities habitants wills.
Sometimes, staying silent is more helpful than shouting loud in an hostile environnement.
PlayStation is out of Japan. They're owned by Sony.
y'all are a buncha happy healthy cuties
Rainbow Capitalism sucks. Every year, I hope companies use their Rainbow Stationery after June.
11:22 the way I see it there’s different ways of being proud. Pride month to me is like someone being proud of your achievements it’s the community coming together and being proud and celebrating their achievements and their growth since those first marches back in the day, it’s not like the majority of people are flaunting their sexualities and saying how much better they are than everyone.
People should not be shamed because they are into Kink. ❤
but it shouldnt b public around children
I worry that it is a balance. Kids are the future and if Pride is going to retain its meaning in the future and these kids are going to benefit from the lessons of Pride and the support it grants, then families need to feel comfortable attending and media coverage needs to give that impression.
On the other hand... it wasn't families with children at Stonewall, or Pulse Nightclub, or a lot of other gathering places. It certainly wasn't the media, who have a lot to answer for, including misrepresenting photos from Folsom as more well-rounded Pride festivals. It was people who were there to be themselves and seek out intimacy and were unapologetically dressed in "strange" clothing and considered undesirable by wider, passing society. Could an argument be made that perhaps assless chaps and outright nudity and more provocative sexual behavior are disturbing to other people at Pride, and there should be alternatives? Maybe... but they're among the people who fought for the right to have Pride Festivals, who are the biggest targets. And telling them they shouldn't be at Pride is not something I'd feel comfortable doing. And again, maybe there should be agreement to limit nudity (especially with attacks and anti-LGBTQIA+ rulings and police brutality... being prepared to have more protection is better than less), but these people deserve a place at Pride.
You guys do amazing things and are reaching so many people, and I'm so happy the first season has gone so well and I always look forward to your videos on here, but I thought around the subject of exclusions and restrictions we need to be very careful.
But yeah, no anti-trans groups. Police probably shouldn't be there in uniform either, given the Stonewall origins.
The word pride can seem problematic because of it's relationship with ego. But healthy ego is necessary or some people will walk all over you and deny your voice and basic right to even exist.
PlayStation probably weren’t allowed in those countries regardless of your stance you have to abide by the local ordinances wherever you are
Guys, please stop perpetuating this false binary between "oversexualized" people and the people who conform to straight cisgender society. You might think it is helpful for gaining broader acceptance to tell straight people "I'm not one of *those* gays" wearing the pup hoods that you're reacting to, or doing other things that clearly aren't appropriate for kids. It's not a valid argument, and here's the most important reason why. The gays doing the sexual acting out that you find gross are, in fact, in search of the same kind of love and acceptance that you are. They're just searching for it in different places, and it is not your job to cast broad judgment on things you clearly don't know very much about. People are trying to erase all of us, including you, no matter how much you behave and conform. So please stop with the binary. Other members of your community aren't worth picking on.
No one is picking on anyone. It’s a valid question to ask if kink culture is appropriate at family friendly pride parades. It’s concerning that you don’t think it is too!
@@happyhealthyhomo you seemed to have missed the bit above where I said "things that clearly aren't appropriate for kids." Kink isn't appropriate for children. It's why there are separate spaces at pride, like there should be. That's how they do things here in Chicago.
I just hope you realize that no amount of conformity is ever going to prevent some right-winger from calling you a groomer.
If you seriously think we’re picking on or ostracising people within the community, I feel you’ve totally got the wrong end of the stick.
Of course people are looking for love/acceptance/understanding and that’s cool but there are healthier and unhealthier ways of doing it and until someone tells someone that then they’re going to continue to have unhealthy interactions and experiences. By letting people behave in ways that are detrimental to their health you’re doing them and the community a massive disservice. It has nothing to do with conformity, in fact, it’s the opposite
@@keeganandjoel I really think you'd be speaking differently about all of this if you had a more nuanced understanding of other members of your own community. Because a lot of the things you consider "detrimental" aren't necessarily so for some people. By the way, I'd say "I watch you guys because my views are different than yours" but that's simply not true, because I often agree with you. But I've also been out for 20 years and know that gay life is way too complex to reduce to the binaries I mentioned. I really hope you're able to learn more.
If you seriously think we’re picking on or ostracising people within the community, I feel you’ve totally got the wrong end of the stick.
Of course people are looking for love/acceptance/understanding and that’s cool but there are healthier and unhealthier ways of doing it and until someone tells someone that then they’re going to continue to have unhealthy interactions and experiences. By letting people behave in ways that are detrimental to their health you’re doing them and the community a massive disservice. It has nothing to do with conformity, in fact, it’s the opposite
Definitely only buy pride merch if you know the company has history of LGBT support or actively donate… I’m like Joel where I always feel like I’m about to be attacked for showing affection in public but it’s nice to relax w/ your group around you.
I don't know about Manchester but kinksters are very much part of London Pride. I have walked with Recon (who also do a podcast) for several years and last year we teamed up with London Leathermen for a more visible presence. You may think kinksters are 'inappropriate' but, remember, lgbt people were oppressed not because of who we loved but because of whom we had sex with. Sex-positive kinksters are a FUNDAMENTAL part of Pride. Research the Spanner case.
I like watching you guys the English charm I only went to one pride march. I never came out and I won't. It's nobodys bissnes the margarty are to open I never talked with a gay speech or afemanate jesters
Happy Pride, guys! 🏳🌈
Hi
Have you considered doing an episode about the invisibility of LGBTIQA+ people who are over 50?
Thanks
Philip (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Oh please, stop using age as an excuse. PLEENTTY of hot fit men over 50 getting guys half their age all day long. Youre either hot or your not, this didnt magically change the second you turned 50
How can I participate in a pride parade, I've never got too?
Pridemonth was started in New York City and it is in June in the United States.
Now I want to know if anybody seeing the gay rugby film "In the Side. I want to marry a rugby player now😅
New York, New York manchester ..mmm happy days , first went there in mid 80s ..... If you want to know more about gay history, listen to the making gay history podcasts or queer history. The making gay history podcasts are especially fascinating and will show you the groundbreaking heroes of the movement , who were campaigning and suffering discrimination etc long before Stonewall. Find out about great characters such as Harry Hay , Randy Wicker, Barbara Gittings and Vito Russo . Also, in the UK find out about the history of Peter Wildeblood, the Montagu Scandal and the Wolfenden report. All fascinating stuff ;-)
address the age difference issue thing
Fundamentalist promote fear because that's all they know. It's fire insurance against hell and sin management as a lifestyle. It's not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is love God, love others and demonstrate Jesus.