These torque, horsepower, and price numbers are reaching 18-wheeler territory. Makes me wonder at what point you say "Screwit I'm just getting a Peterbilt and a step deck instead."
Well if you got the garage or driveway to fit it in, can still take your family on vacation and your Wife theoretically can drive it than Yes peterbuilt might make dollars sense. A Semi is much more costly in maintenance, MPG is horrendous compared to these trucks and which parking garage could you ever fit in?
+Micah Watts I drive truck for a living and I see these things all the time in the fuel islands. I'm always wondering how much sense it makes compared to the traditional setup. And you're not correct about the fuel economy. It's about the same.
+dchawk81 You really need to think outside the box bro. You're probably a bit bias to your Tractor? Guys who need these trucks use it for its intended purpose but know they don't need to pull anything heavier, they want the creature comforts at that price, when unladen they can pull up to practically anywhere a regular car would go, it'll fit in there driveway and not stirrup the neighbors with a Tractor. There are so many good reasons to own these trucks to perform up to there towing limits. Did I mention you have a Bed to use for Payload? Unladen, these trucks would be better on Fuel
I think we should give a thumbs up to all of these pickups 29 years ago I drove my first class 8 truck with a Cummins engine in it a Ford it only had 210 hp about 1500 lbs of torque but it would haul 80,000 lbs gross point being these pickups have came a long way hauling 30,000 lbs up the ike that's amazing to me the ford and Dodge both do exactly what the manufacturer says they can do it doesn't matter how fast they can do it they both do it and do it well 30,000 lbs with a pickup come on people that's amazing especially if you remember the first diesel pickups I just prefer the Cummins because it a well proven power plant for many many years
Thank you for the cabin noise check I would like to have seen that with the Ford F450 and thank you for stopping the clock at the same time as your test on the F450. I would like to see comparisons of the Ford, Ram and GM heavy duty line ups with the same gear ratio's, while I am partial to Ford I know the F450 had 4:30 gears compared to the Ram's 4:10 and even though the Ford F450 uses the same engine/transmission as the F350 it really isn't the same truck so the comparison between the Ford and Ram isn't an exact comparison. Thank you for your reviews, they are some of the best around!
I drove a 2016 f250 srw with the diesel engine, it was a top of the line model. I liked it. I then drove a 2016 dodge 2500 srw with the diesel engine, it was base model. I don't know if they had anything to do with it, and I don't remember the gearing in either truck. However, the dodge felt extremely sluggish. Both trucks were brand new (as in like 10 miles on both of them). So, driving impressions only I'd go with the ford.
I really like that you guys don't interject with your opinions on these tests, so that said, please make separate videos that interview both of you guys on your opinions on the brands latest models (Ford, Dodge, GM) and come up with a rating system that gives everyone an idea of who leads the pack. For instance, in technologically it appears Ford is far and away the leader in the truck segments which makes sense as they pour the most into R&D for their truck lines since it makes them the most money per product (the margins on their truck sales are far greater than any other vehicle they sell so the F-series is their "golden goose" as some would say). I won't go into the details but for starters, 7 cameras, LED quad headlights, LED spotlights on both mirrors, load-flat cargo floors, dual moonroofs, tailgate step and handle, electric running boards, adaptive cruise control that works with trailer break controller, etc etc. Not everyone has the time or resources to investigate to the detail that you do and thus, your opinion means more than mine. You will help keep the truck brands competition alive, there is nobody out there that judiciously and diplomatically rates their performance and innovation each year and we all know there is a big gap between truck brands and what kind of technology you get (along with performance, luxury, but keep out reliability as it's a new truck and too tough to speculate). Ram is stepping it up in the last 4-5 years in terms of luxury and GM has one hell of an exterior but their interior has always been an afterthought, as is technology (they are always late to the game with tech, look at their head units, small compared to Ford and Ram's 8"+ displays and have such an aging GUI). There is obviously far too much to discuss here but it's just how it is.
TFL: (1) The GEAR+ GEAR- buttons on the steering wheel are NOT manual shift buttons. They merely set the max gear allowed to be used by the truck. There is no real manual shifter on this truck (I do own a '15 RAM 1500 Laramie). (2) There is a great future you guys should use and demonstrate: When you set the speed limit on cruise control, RAM trucks do down-shift and use engine compression to do their best to stay within that limit. My truck always stays within 5 MPH of the limit set at cruise control, even when towing my car at 6% downgrade! If you want it to strictly stay within, say, 60 MPH, you could then set cruise control to 55MPH and try. Since using this feature, I never use my brakes on downhills anymore.
good video. I like that you where shifting manually and doing everything you could to get the speed up. Because that is what an owner would be doing. It's just like when you take a car to the drag-strip; you try all sorts of things until you get the best time. you don't just put it in D and let traction control AC etc, all on and wait for a green light.
Im really not sure why the manual mode was used when its not used on the other test that they were trying to directly compare to this one. You can watch the speedo drop almost a full 5mph when he knocks it down from 3rd to 2nd. It was running right about 2100rpm in 3rd which is the sweet spot for a cummins. The manual mode is good for holding gears when you are anticipating a hill or letting off and accelerating a lot and not wanting it hunting for gears, but typically the transmission is tuned for maximum performance at wide open throttle. If you down gear it too early, you are simply in the maximum RPM range where defueling is starting to occur and there is no room for improvement without allowing it to upgear again(which wont happen in manual 2nd), so you've effectively neutered it.
Everyone touts the increased fuel efficiency of diesel when towing but TFL took the RAM 2500 with the 6.4 HEMI and 4.10 rear end up the Ike and it got 2.8 mpg. Granted it was towing around 12.5 k but also finished a little faster too. The gassers sure are closing that gap.
Hello guys! Hey Andre I’m not sure about MrTruck, but there’s and old truck driver rule for driving down hill back in the day of weaker brakes and engines, that said go down the hill on one gear lower than you went up! Now I would never count on those two orange straps to secure the two blue barrels of water in the event of an accident! That is around 1,000 lbs! I would have put them on the rear or between the bigger water containers.
Yesterday there was this small, simple hill. We were in our silverado, and someone next to us was in their f-150. They spun their tires and struggled to get up the hill, and we went up the hill very easily. lol
Big thing to remember when your at max weight like this and working these trucks has hard as they can is ambient temperature! 30 degrees actually makes a big difference the colder the air the more power they make, and less time the fan is on which sucks ALOT of power!
True Ike Guantlet Leader Board is needed. Right now we are limited by what Dealers will send, and when TFL crew has time to perform such test. The current Ike Gauntlet Leader Board is very limed on data points. You should open this up to your user base, and users would bring their own truck and run it under whatever standards you have defined(maybe you guys do a ride along with the user for official verification purposes). I would go even further and even incentive it with some TFL swag. I know you would get a huge turn out, have grip load of new video content, and instead of just couple trucks that I can sort on your current Leader Board I could possible compare hundreds or even thousands of trucks on it. User then would be able to compare and make decisions like, should I buy a 2008 Ram 6.7 with delete kit and EFI live or just plunk down the cash for a 2017 Ram. Let me know if you would like any help flush out the details, or implementing this.
I will create a mock up of what I am thinking. But yes, I think objective analysis is the key, and additional detailed detail points for better comparison is needed. Give me min, and I get something created!
Those are beasts trucks, hp tq might be lower than Ford, but I think that cummins will outlast that powerstroke in both maintenance costs and lifetime repairs.
Not so sure about that bud. Ram has been having their fair share of problems. And guess what they are all Emissions related. Comes down to maintenance, quality of fuel, driving habits and having the right build number
First, I LOVE your Chanel! Second, I liked the fact that you used the manual shift option in this video for this truck, will we see more of this for the Duramax and the Powerstroke? And lastly, will we get to see you do the Super IKE with a truck that has an actual manual transmission just to compare mpg with an automatic?... I know it may not be fair for the competition since Ram is the only HD diesel with a manual transmission but I think it could be fun to watch. ✌🏽️
Wow! 😃 Fantastic video! I'm a Hellcat guy, but just got a 2018 Ram 3500 CumminsTurboDieisel G56 manual Tradesman. Why? 🙄 Still don't know! 😄 Maybe get a BigTex trailer to haul my Hellcats around?🙄
i was 9 seconds off my guess posted on the f450 video. see that 55hp deficit made a huge difference in time. that bluedriver obd2 app didnt seem to provide much useful data. i dont think your bluetooth module would be locked to that app.. would reccommend torque app (free) for calculated tq/hp values
In reality towing with GCWs over 26k lbs is for a complete different group of drivers. TFL should probably run any towing test that GCW is over 26k as a test of what driver and truck can do since most CDL drivers are more likely to use whatever techniques they can. Rigs under 26k stays as what the factory programming can do as many of those drivers may never have pulled a trailer with enough weight to effect the truck before or do so rarely.
Yet a lot of people dont know how de-tuned these newer trucks are. Or they have always been. But if you took a fully tuned and deleted/ big upgrades, that pull wouldn’t be half the trouble of what it is.
As a company owner I'm not giving my employees a freaking 75k truck to use for work. I paid 48k per truck for crew cab 3500 LT duramax trucks and at the time thought that was madness, using the gooseneck they tow 20k pounds, thats plenty. These trucks just seem ridiculous these days.
Rlnthndr Cool, i'm a 20 year old depressed loser looking to make some money somewhere in the buisnessworld but i'm unmotivated and paralyzed by the things i think about about life, a flame waiting to be ignited. I saw your pic suggesting your somewhat successful with the Bentley and Mercedes S550 so i was curious.
TFL, how do you expect to have a true golden hitch if you manually shifted this truck but not the others? Sure this is more real world but if they others were just flat out, there can not be a fair comparison.
What a great truck with a great motor. They should talk more about the awesome transmission, too. You can get the Asion trans which used to be a part of Allison. Ram has the best truck by far. The two other makers are just trying to keep Ram at bay but its not working.
I love the fact most people believe Ford is better it is like being a part of a group with higher IQ and everyone one else thinks they are smarter driving a piece of shit Ford.When i pull up to one at a red light the driver always checks out my much better looking Ram and gives me a look like did i really make the right choice then i blow his doors off to answer his question.
I'm wondering why they are hauling with the Alt Trailer Height engaged?!? The system is made to raise the rear bumper to normal ride height after taking on the load. Alt level will actually be lowered more than unloaded, meant to help hitching up. Don't see the benefit to having the truck squatting.
It is fun to hear those diesels working. Which truck was more comfortable to drive with the maximum load? Ford or Ram? I'm a fan of any diesel, so I'm just curious.
If they keep making these Trucks more powerful it will be a miracle if the government don't make us get CDL's just to own or get behind the wheel. On a side note are Y'All doing all the 2500's as well?Maybe a super IKE with them as well?
On the dyno ram puts out the most torque compared to the new 6.6 duramax and 6.7 powerstroke. Still pretty badass! These rams are tough trucks, I like ford and dodge not too much chevy at all, I like the old OBS 7.3 powerstrokes, obviously Crew cabs and I love the new dodges, I have the 2010 ram 1500 5.7 with 4x4 a lift 4 inch, and 35s it sure is amazing!
I don't understand why dealership have to put minimum towing weight rating on truck I'm looking at a 2013 Ram1500 Express Quad Cab 4x4 and it says that the towing capacity is 5,995Lbs but I see people towing 10,000Lb trailers with them?
Then they arent doin so safely and being reckless and can endanger peoples lives. Goin over the rated tow rating can be bad for both engine and transmission. And also can cause a lot of sway. Some half tons can tow 10,000 lbs if they have the max tow package on them
I appreciate the info gentlemen. Am new to owning a truck and know very little about towing techniques and practices. I own a 2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Diesel Dually and I use it to tow a toy hauler that weighs approximately 7,000 lbs when loaded. At this weight do you recommend I allow the truck to do the shifting for me vs manual shift input? ✌🏽
Does anyone know which shocks are better for a smoother ride for a Ram 3500? Bilstein 5100 a friend recommended me yet I would like to know if there's something better
same old story: manufacturers tuning their trucks for longevity hense last. The truck should be sprinting up the hill not walking up it unless it's low on def
Did you guys do another run that was the same as with previous vehicles? It isn't fair to suddenly start manually shifting while the other vehicles had to just do the run.
TFL can you all touch on the weight ratings specific to the two ways of measurement. SAE vs J2807 and which brand uses what and which direction you see this going?
ok mr truck...higher rpm is not going to be easier on the transmission, in fact its harder, more horsepower, higher rpm puts more stress on the bearings due to higher heat and the engine burns more fuel and therefore produces more heat...and if you really want to break it just keep shifting at full throttle (thats how i blew the auto trans in my old f350) and the trans shop told me to let off the throttle some between gears, and i was like "oh-live and learn"
you are right steven, you dont "have" to let off but it adds extra stress and just like a bicycle its going to be a lot easier to shift if you lift off a little bit...i dont know how much you drive a manual but i have nearly 300k on my original clutch in my truck. and its more important to let off at the right time than it is to use the clutch...when you shift under full power with an auto all the hp goes into the clutch pack and that heats up big time
+phil tripe lift off a little is much different then lifting off all the way. If you lift off all the way and try to upshift, it will just stay in the gear it is in and engine brake and slow you way down. That really had to stress it out. And think about it: When was the last time you put your automatic in drive and let off the gas when it was about to change gears? It is no different when you change gears manually then when it automatically does it for you, except you decide when it changes gears. A manual is totally different. The point of letting off the gas is to allow the motor to slow down to help match up to the rpm that the next gear you shift into to prevent putting a ton of pressure on the clutch disks.
If you watch this run and then their video of the new Ford pull 30K up the hill it is pretty obvious the Ford did it much easier...and faster. The Cummins powered Fiat is struggling. Lots of torque but a little short on hp to keep the load moving.
Sometime could y'all drive and review the Ram with the G56 6 spd manual? Theres not any videos of them at work. It doesn't have to be the Ike Gauntlet just a drive?
The one thing I didn't like about what Mr. Truck and Smirf did was they three off the whole balance of the testing. How can you accurately compare the next test if you've intervened with the manufactures shift strategy. Real World I get it, For Test Comparison +mrtruck and +tfltruck was a bad idea. Roman probably wouldn't have allowed this. Start over!!!
Seriously scratching my head trying to see where your coming from here....First you refer to a "gas engine" in a diesel eng. post as a reference. (I digress) Turning more rpm transmission pumps more fluid, high rpm = heat! At a point you will overwhelm your cooling system with the transmission fluid being soo hot, you will not effectively be cooling trans fluid. Especially in this case where you were FULL throttle with a MASSIVE load. FCA has a big issue with the 3.0 Echo diesels overheating in situations somewhat similar to this. They are trying to get soo many MPG out of these motors they come out with the 8/9 speed transmissions. Well your towing with these 3.0 your going up a hill like you did with BIG C it unlock the torque converter, drops 3 or 4 gears... now you have high rpm, tcc unlocked=HOT! The cooling system can't handle this heat so it starts bumping up the coolant temp higher and higher to the point to the vech goes into "limp in" mode = not going anywhere. This is all because the motor dose not the the necessary gusto/ torque to pull the load without having to drop soo many gears, unlock tcc. SO turning that many rpms is not necessarily less heat. IMO. Thanks to those who took the time to read my rant.
Dropping gears will reduce the gear ratio. In turn will creat more heat. I wish there was someone with some actual industry insight to the mechanical side of this that could weigh in their "theory" on this. Sounds good man. Working for FCA for 10 years being a master Transmission tech at the dealership I work at gives me no extra knowledge of how these things work. So yeah
+Adrian Glessner higher rpms do generally cool things down more. in the older styled torque converter transmissions, anytime you were under the torque converter stall speed, the torque converter would slip and heat up quite a bit more. on the newer style transmissions, I have no clue. however, on a radiator cooled transmission cooler such as all ford automatics used to have, more flow/higher speeds = more cooling in less time. not sure if this is still the case, but it would make sense to me.
Ask yourself this. What kind of engines do semis use. That would be inline 6s not v8s. So which engine is a inline 6 the Cummins. That same engine is also installed in medium duty trucks such as freightliner and international not v8 diesels.
HP, TQ, and gears go to the Ford but as far as the forums are concerned, longevity and durability go to the Cummins. I truly wonder how many people out there that own these newer trucks are using them to capacity? I bought a 2016 Ram to pull my 18,000 lb toy hauler. There are only a handful of fifth wheels and a few big horse trailers that weigh more. I pulled my trailer over the Ike Gauntlet a few weeks ago with a big mac in my hand about as relaxed as I could be. It's definitely a huge improvement over my 2002 F-350 that I used to pull it with. Either way, I'd be happy seeing the hp and tq wars come to an end and the Big 3 fighting for MPG numbers.
why do you do 3/4 and 1ton SRW trailer hitch pulls no 5th wheels. i enjoy your videos very much but its pretty much duallys towing max loads. i dont tow 5 th wheel nor 3ok lbs. i tow anywhere between 10k to 16k lbs with my SRW 1 ton truck. i feel like it would be more realistic like this vs max loads all the time. in my opinion if i tow max loads all the time it would put tremendous wear and tear on my truck and i would be putting it in the shop more often or trading my truck in more often and i dont know if its just me but i think thats crazy. but anyway love your videos and keep up the good work.
I don't know how to personally contact these guys, but I would love to see them take a MANUAL transmission Ram 1 ton up the Ike Gauntlet. I can't be the only one??? Can we try to make this happen?? Looking at a manual, but need to be able to haul roughly 15,000 max. Looking feasibility, and fuel consumption.
So you're cheating on this one? You're modulating the throttle different than the other trucks. Why can't you just be consistent? It really hurts your credibility when you do things like that.
+fordrac1ng81 Super Ike is NOT about directly comparing trucks. 2017 Gold Hitch award Ike towing will be consistent and highly controlled. Super Ike is about maxing trucks out, and testing different truck modes.
+fordrac1ng81 Yeah, no freakin kidding. These asses (ESPECIALLY ROMAN) are pure Ford biased and hold GM up on their shoulders while the absolutely shit on Ram or anything Chrysler for that matter.
+The Fast Lane Truck, You guys ever wonder why you haven't reached even reached 1,000,000 subs yet in your 5 year plus run with all 4 of your channels combined? People can see right through to your true colors and the way you do things here and it's all but not obvious. You're opaque. Brand biased to the core.
+fordrac1ng81 And it isn't just this one they cheat on by any means. Any time they test anything with Ford, they give it multiple chances and give it everything it's got, while when it comes to testing Ram or Dodge, you can tell they clearly do not push the vehicles to get the true statistics. Shit, they blatantly did a towing test to see the best towing between a Ford and Chevy, both with their own 6.2 liter V8's and 3.72 or whatever size axels, while they use a base model Ram (except for it having the 5.7 Hemi) and use a 3.55 axel. WTF? and of course like the rest of the videos they do with Ram, they don't push the damn thing to get the true statistics.
No matter the numbers, you can’t go wrong with either hd brand. They all will last and do any job anyone could think of doing. With regularly scheduled maintenance of course.
It started when asbestos was outlawed. It was in brake linings and clutches. Without asbestos, clutches wouldn't last as long. When I was selling trucks 15 years ago, I couldn't sell someone from the mountains an auto tranny. They wanted the control of shifting. But that was just when trucks with auto's could only shut off over-drive, before tow/haul mode, factory exhaust brakes, lockup torque converters in most gears. Auto trannys now can lock up the torque converter in all gears put first like a clutch and pressure plate does. And truck manufactures have more faith in computers knowing when to shift than consumers. Their automatic tranny warranties reflected that with a 3 year- 36,000 mile warranty on gas or on diesels 5 yr 100k warranty. A clutch only has a 1 year warranty if you're lucky. In the media fleet is was rare to see a diesel truck with a manual tranny. Those companies didn't think the media knew how to shift a diesel. It can take some skill shifting a diesel under load, I would worry about the 90 year old retired dude with a diesel and a hand-shaker tranny towing his 40 ft. 5th wheel coming down the fast side of the Rockies and misses a gear and free wheels into Denver with the brakes burning up and his wife jumping out the truck at a runaway ramp. But how can you drink coffee, talk on the phone, look at all the cameras on the truck and shift gears too?
Man, I love waking up on Saturday mornings to a new Super-Ike Gauntlet!
I just wish it was longer, closer to minutes.
Ya’ll ever thought about doing an Ike run with a Ram with a Manual transmission?
It would be interesting to see transmission temps during tests like this. Please consider adding that in the future.
These torque, horsepower, and price numbers are reaching 18-wheeler territory.
Makes me wonder at what point you say "Screwit I'm just getting a Peterbilt and a step deck instead."
exactly. Can get a decent used big rig for the price of these trucks and have a sleeper attached.
Well if you got the garage or driveway to fit it in, can still take your family on vacation and your Wife theoretically can drive it than Yes peterbuilt might make dollars sense. A Semi is much more costly in maintenance, MPG is horrendous compared to these trucks and which parking garage could you ever fit in?
+Micah Watts I drive truck for a living and I see these things all the time in the fuel islands. I'm always wondering how much sense it makes compared to the traditional setup.
And you're not correct about the fuel economy. It's about the same.
+dchawk81 You really need to think outside the box bro. You're probably a bit bias to your Tractor? Guys who need these trucks use it for its intended purpose but know they don't need to pull anything heavier, they want the creature comforts at that price, when unladen they can pull up to practically anywhere a regular car would go, it'll fit in there driveway and not stirrup the neighbors with a Tractor. There are so many good reasons to own these trucks to perform up to there towing limits. Did I mention you have a Bed to use for Payload? Unladen, these trucks would be better on Fuel
I hear ya. I just don't see being able to afford to drive one unladen. lol
I think we should give a thumbs up to all of these pickups 29 years ago I drove my first class 8 truck with a Cummins engine in it a Ford it only had 210 hp about 1500 lbs of torque but it would haul 80,000 lbs gross point being these pickups have came a long way hauling 30,000 lbs up the ike that's amazing to me the ford and Dodge both do exactly what the manufacturer says they can do it doesn't matter how fast they can do it they both do it and do it well 30,000 lbs with a pickup come on people that's amazing especially if you remember the first diesel pickups I just prefer the Cummins because it a well proven power plant for many many years
I like the video , but u should let the transmision do the shifting like always
Thank you for the cabin noise check I would like to have seen that with the Ford F450 and thank you for stopping the clock at the same time as your test on the F450. I would like to see comparisons of the Ford, Ram and GM heavy duty line ups with the same gear ratio's, while I am partial to Ford I know the F450 had 4:30 gears compared to the Ram's 4:10 and even though the Ford F450 uses the same engine/transmission as the F350 it really isn't the same truck so the comparison between the Ford and Ram isn't an exact comparison.
Thank you for your reviews, they are some of the best around!
I drove a 2016 f250 srw with the diesel engine, it was a top of the line model. I liked it. I then drove a 2016 dodge 2500 srw with the diesel engine, it was base model. I don't know if they had anything to do with it, and I don't remember the gearing in either truck. However, the dodge felt extremely sluggish. Both trucks were brand new (as in like 10 miles on both of them). So, driving impressions only I'd go with the ford.
wantsanewvehicle v-8 have more speed. Inline 6 are more for towing purposes
I really like that you guys don't interject with your opinions on these tests, so that said, please make separate videos that interview both of you guys on your opinions on the brands latest models (Ford, Dodge, GM) and come up with a rating system that gives everyone an idea of who leads the pack. For instance, in technologically it appears Ford is far and away the leader in the truck segments which makes sense as they pour the most into R&D for their truck lines since it makes them the most money per product (the margins on their truck sales are far greater than any other vehicle they sell so the F-series is their "golden goose" as some would say). I won't go into the details but for starters, 7 cameras, LED quad headlights, LED spotlights on both mirrors, load-flat cargo floors, dual moonroofs, tailgate step and handle, electric running boards, adaptive cruise control that works with trailer break controller, etc etc. Not everyone has the time or resources to investigate to the detail that you do and thus, your opinion means more than mine. You will help keep the truck brands competition alive, there is nobody out there that judiciously and diplomatically rates their performance and innovation each year and we all know there is a big gap between truck brands and what kind of technology you get (along with performance, luxury, but keep out reliability as it's a new truck and too tough to speculate). Ram is stepping it up in the last 4-5 years in terms of luxury and GM has one hell of an exterior but their interior has always been an afterthought, as is technology (they are always late to the game with tech, look at their head units, small compared to Ford and Ram's 8"+ displays and have such an aging GUI). There is obviously far too much to discuss here but it's just how it is.
Smirnoff? So you are the inventor of trucks and vodka Andre you are my hero!
TFL:
(1) The GEAR+ GEAR- buttons on the steering wheel are NOT manual shift buttons. They merely set the max gear allowed to be used by the truck. There is no real manual shifter on this truck (I do own a '15 RAM 1500 Laramie).
(2) There is a great future you guys should use and demonstrate: When you set the speed limit on cruise control, RAM trucks do down-shift and use engine compression to do their best to stay within that limit. My truck always stays within 5 MPH of the limit set at cruise control, even when towing my car at 6% downgrade! If you want it to strictly stay within, say, 60 MPH, you could then set cruise control to 55MPH and try. Since using this feature, I never use my brakes on downhills anymore.
oozk didnt know about that feature.....
good video. I like that you where shifting manually and doing everything you could to get the speed up. Because that is what an owner would be doing. It's just like when you take a car to the drag-strip; you try all sorts of things until you get the best time. you don't just put it in D and let traction control AC etc, all on and wait for a green light.
Im really not sure why the manual mode was used when its not used on the other test that they were trying to directly compare to this one. You can watch the speedo drop almost a full 5mph when he knocks it down from 3rd to 2nd. It was running right about 2100rpm in 3rd which is the sweet spot for a cummins. The manual mode is good for holding gears when you are anticipating a hill or letting off and accelerating a lot and not wanting it hunting for gears, but typically the transmission is tuned for maximum performance at wide open throttle. If you down gear it too early, you are simply in the maximum RPM range where defueling is starting to occur and there is no room for improvement without allowing it to upgear again(which wont happen in manual 2nd), so you've effectively neutered it.
You nailed it, they completely fucked up the comparison.
Everyone touts the increased fuel efficiency of diesel when towing but TFL took the RAM 2500 with the 6.4 HEMI and 4.10 rear end up the Ike and it got 2.8 mpg. Granted it was towing around 12.5 k but also finished a little faster too. The gassers sure are closing that gap.
wonder if they count the driver's 300 pounds.
Joe g 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Hello guys! Hey Andre I’m not sure about MrTruck, but there’s and old truck driver rule for driving down hill back in the day of weaker brakes and engines, that said go down the hill on one gear lower than you went up! Now I would never count on those two orange straps to secure the two blue barrels of water in the event of an accident! That is around 1,000 lbs! I would have put them on the rear or between the bigger water containers.
Yesterday there was this small, simple hill. We were in our silverado, and someone next to us was in their f-150. They spun their tires and struggled to get up the hill, and we went up the hill very easily. lol
Big thing to remember when your at max weight like this and working these trucks has hard as they can is ambient temperature! 30 degrees actually makes a big difference the colder the air the more power they make, and less time the fan is on which sucks ALOT of power!
True Ike Guantlet Leader Board is needed. Right now we are limited by what Dealers will send, and when TFL crew has time to perform such test. The current Ike Gauntlet Leader Board is very limed on data points. You should open this up to your user base, and users would bring their own truck and run it under whatever standards you have defined(maybe you guys do a ride along with the user for official verification purposes). I would go even further and even incentive it with some TFL swag. I know you would get a huge turn out, have grip load of new video content, and instead of just couple trucks that I can sort on your current Leader Board I could possible compare hundreds or even thousands of trucks on it. User then would be able to compare and make decisions like, should I buy a 2008 Ram 6.7 with delete kit and EFI live or just plunk down the cash for a 2017 Ram.
Let me know if you would like any help flush out the details, or implementing this.
+HugeLandMonster This is a great idea.
as long as the brand loyal aren't sand bagging with mods that arent disclosed!
one word... liability
I will create a mock up of what I am thinking. But yes, I think objective analysis is the key, and additional detailed detail points for better comparison is needed. Give me min, and I get something created!
+HugeLandMonster long minute ;)
Good looking truck, hut isn’t the entertainment screen too large...it could get distracting... what do y’all think? I like t pop KISS.
Those are beasts trucks, hp tq might be lower than Ford, but I think that cummins will outlast that powerstroke in both maintenance costs and lifetime repairs.
you think?
Not so sure about that bud. Ram has been having their fair share of problems. And guess what they are all Emissions related. Comes down to maintenance, quality of fuel, driving habits and having the right build number
Tell that to previous ford owners when their power strokes turned out to be crap.
+thegreatga what trucks you drive?
+thegreatga im sure that you are saying that because your dado tell you that dodge is the best.
I'd like to see if the older diesel pickup's of the 90s try the Ike gauntlet
First, I LOVE your Chanel! Second, I liked the fact that you used the manual shift option in this video for this truck, will we see more of this for the Duramax and the Powerstroke? And lastly, will we get to see you do the Super IKE with a truck that has an actual manual transmission just to compare mpg with an automatic?... I know it may not be fair for the competition since Ram is the only HD diesel with a manual transmission but I think it could be fun to watch. ✌🏽️
Great work gentlemen, would like to see a test with a Manual transmission Cummins and its maximum load.
Wow! 😃 Fantastic video! I'm a Hellcat guy, but just got a 2018 Ram 3500 CumminsTurboDieisel G56 manual Tradesman. Why? 🙄 Still don't know! 😄 Maybe get a BigTex trailer to haul my Hellcats around?🙄
i was 9 seconds off my guess posted on the f450 video. see that 55hp deficit made a huge difference in time. that bluedriver obd2 app didnt seem to provide much useful data. i dont think your bluetooth module would be locked to that app.. would reccommend torque app (free) for calculated tq/hp values
When is the stick shift one getting a shot? I think that it has a lower capacity, because HP and torque are rated lower, too.
In reality towing with GCWs over 26k lbs is for a complete different group of drivers. TFL should probably run any towing test that GCW is over 26k as a test of what driver and truck can do since most CDL drivers are more likely to use whatever techniques they can. Rigs under 26k stays as what the factory programming can do as many of those drivers may never have pulled a trailer with enough weight to effect the truck before or do so rarely.
Yet a lot of people dont know how de-tuned these newer trucks are. Or they have always been. But if you took a fully tuned and deleted/ big upgrades, that pull wouldn’t be half the trouble of what it is.
As a company owner I'm not giving my employees a freaking 75k truck to use for work. I paid 48k per truck for crew cab 3500 LT duramax trucks and at the time thought that was madness, using the gooseneck they tow 20k pounds, thats plenty. These trucks just seem ridiculous these days.
If they scratched a truck I'd fire them😜
Unrelated but what kind of stuff does your company do?
itsbasil1126 Real Estate Development.
Rlnthndr Cool, i'm a 20 year old depressed loser looking to make some money somewhere in the buisnessworld but i'm unmotivated and paralyzed by the things i think about about life, a flame waiting to be ignited. I saw your pic suggesting your somewhat successful with the Bentley and Mercedes S550 so i was curious.
+itsbasil1126 keep your head up kid find a career and stick with it there's no limit to what you can accomplish with hard work and dedication.
TFL, how do you expect to have a true golden hitch if you manually shifted this truck but not the others? Sure this is more real world but if they others were just flat out, there can not be a fair comparison.
+drakore244 the super Ike is not part of the Gold Hitch awards.
TFC the Ford channel.
What a great truck with a great motor. They should talk more about the awesome transmission, too. You can get the Asion trans which used to be a part of Allison. Ram has the best truck by far. The two other makers are just trying to keep Ram at bay but its not working.
I love the fact most people believe Ford is better it is like being a part of a group with higher IQ and everyone one else thinks they are smarter driving a piece of shit Ford.When i pull up to one at a red light the driver always checks out my much better looking Ram and gives me a look like did i really make the right choice then i blow his doors off to answer his question.
I'm wondering why they are hauling with the Alt Trailer Height engaged?!? The system is made to raise the rear bumper to normal ride height after taking on the load. Alt level will actually be lowered more than unloaded, meant to help hitching up. Don't see the benefit to having the truck squatting.
It is fun to hear those diesels working. Which truck was more comfortable to drive with the maximum load? Ford or Ram? I'm a fan of any diesel, so I'm just curious.
Good job, guys.
I love watching these Ike Gauntlet videos!
If they keep making these Trucks more powerful it will be a miracle if the government don't make us get CDL's just to own or get behind the wheel. On a side note are Y'All doing all the 2500's as well?Maybe a super IKE with them as well?
On the dyno ram puts out the most torque compared to the new 6.6 duramax and 6.7 powerstroke. Still pretty badass! These rams are tough trucks, I like ford and dodge not too much chevy at all, I like the old OBS 7.3 powerstrokes, obviously Crew cabs and I love the new dodges, I have the 2010 ram 1500 5.7 with 4x4 a lift 4 inch, and 35s it sure is amazing!
I need more towing videos! Lol great video btw
materials fabrications of metal's, dementions, density, dexterity, durability, rust ?
I don't understand why dealership have to put minimum towing weight rating on truck I'm looking at a 2013 Ram1500 Express Quad Cab 4x4 and it says that the towing capacity is 5,995Lbs but I see people towing 10,000Lb trailers with them?
Then they arent doin so safely and being reckless and can endanger peoples lives. Goin over the rated tow rating can be bad for both engine and transmission. And also can cause a lot of sway. Some half tons can tow 10,000 lbs if they have the max tow package on them
I appreciate the info gentlemen.
Am new to owning a truck and know very little about towing techniques and practices.
I own a 2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Diesel Dually and I use it to tow a toy hauler that weighs approximately 7,000 lbs when loaded.
At this weight do you recommend I allow the truck to do the shifting for me vs manual shift input?
✌🏽
Does anyone know which shocks are better for a smoother ride for a Ram 3500?
Bilstein 5100 a friend recommended me yet I would like to know if there's something better
BIG TEX - nice truck. nice trailer.
same old story: manufacturers tuning their trucks for longevity hense last. The truck should be sprinting up the hill not walking up it unless it's low on def
Id like to know why do you always do highend trucks? Why not tradesmen or slt?
Great truck... such a great truck! any new HD Diesel is awesome now. They are basically medium duty trucks.
Did you guys do another run that was the same as with previous vehicles? It isn't fair to suddenly start manually shifting while the other vehicles had to just do the run.
TFL can you all touch on the weight ratings specific to the two ways of measurement. SAE vs J2807 and which brand uses what and which direction you see this going?
ok mr truck...higher rpm is not going to be easier on the transmission, in fact its harder, more horsepower, higher rpm puts more stress on the bearings due to higher heat and the engine burns more fuel and therefore produces more heat...and if you really want to break it just keep shifting at full throttle (thats how i blew the auto trans in my old f350) and the trans shop told me to let off the throttle some between gears, and i was like "oh-live and learn"
All the new trucks have torque management. Computer does that for you.
Why are you whining about breaking the mighty Aisin? Isn't it like a 7k option?
On an automatic you are not supposed to let off the gas even if you are manually shifting it.
you are right steven, you dont "have" to let off but it adds extra stress and just like a bicycle its going to be a lot easier to shift if you lift off a little bit...i dont know how much you drive a manual but i have nearly 300k on my original clutch in my truck. and its more important to let off at the right time than it is to use the clutch...when you shift under full power with an auto all the hp goes into the clutch pack and that heats up big time
+phil tripe lift off a little is much different then lifting off all the way. If you lift off all the way and try to upshift, it will just stay in the gear it is in and engine brake and slow you way down. That really had to stress it out. And think about it: When was the last time you put your automatic in drive and let off the gas when it was about to change gears? It is no different when you change gears manually then when it automatically does it for you, except you decide when it changes gears. A manual is totally different. The point of letting off the gas is to allow the motor to slow down to help match up to the rpm that the next gear you shift into to prevent putting a ton of pressure on the clutch disks.
Wow 2.5-3.2 MPG, that towing is gonna hurt the wallet badly 😂
the 2017 Ford Super Duty F-450 did it better and with a higher top speed right?
better in terms of braking, mpg , control be more specific
the real issue is ford has released there trucks this year and also that truck was a f450
i guess generally with the things that matter most with towing
and which one out of these two has the higher top speed when carrying 30,000 lbs
ram has better mpg than a ford and last longer
If you watch this run and then their video of the new Ford pull 30K up the hill it is pretty obvious the Ford did it much easier...and faster. The Cummins powered Fiat is struggling. Lots of torque but a little short on hp to keep the load moving.
How can i find that obd2 app? I have one of nissan but is a bit incomplete.
Pleas say me what is that app name
Cummins six may or may not win any timed run or drag race. Check the results with usability at 400k+
Was it the 4:10 rear in that?
That is what they said
scrimmy6969
I must have missed that.
and the ford there comparing it to has 4.30 s
Sometime could y'all drive and review the Ram with the G56 6 spd manual? Theres not any videos of them at work. It doesn't have to be the Ike Gauntlet just a drive?
they should do manual shifting with all the trucks that way people know which truck is the best
i wish they would scrap all the egr and dpf off of all these trucks for these tests.. would be really interesting
Can't wait for 'Truck Nuts, The Movie'....
One big ad for big Tex
Let the TCM control the sifts. my gosh.. this is really stupid. higher rmp runs cooler?? wft
The one thing I didn't like about what Mr. Truck and Smirf did was they three off the whole balance of the testing. How can you accurately compare the next test if you've intervened with the manufactures shift strategy. Real World I get it, For Test Comparison +mrtruck and +tfltruck was a bad idea. Roman probably wouldn't have allowed this. Start over!!!
Seriously scratching my head trying to see where your coming from here....First you refer to a "gas engine" in a diesel eng. post as a reference. (I digress) Turning more rpm transmission pumps more fluid, high rpm = heat! At a point you will overwhelm your cooling system with the transmission fluid being soo hot, you will not effectively be cooling trans fluid. Especially in this case where you were FULL throttle with a MASSIVE load. FCA has a big issue with the 3.0 Echo diesels overheating in situations somewhat similar to this. They are trying to get soo many MPG out of these motors they come out with the 8/9 speed transmissions. Well your towing with these 3.0 your going up a hill like you did with BIG C it unlock the torque converter, drops 3 or 4 gears... now you have high rpm, tcc unlocked=HOT! The cooling system can't handle this heat so it starts bumping up the coolant temp higher and higher to the point to the vech goes into "limp in" mode = not going anywhere. This is all because the motor dose not the the necessary gusto/ torque to pull the load without having to drop soo many gears, unlock tcc. SO turning that many rpms is not necessarily less heat. IMO. Thanks to those who took the time to read my rant.
Not how it works. Dropping gears most definitely lowers temps just like Mr. Truck said as well as pumping more trans fluid.
Dropping gears will reduce the gear ratio. In turn will creat more heat. I wish there was someone with some actual industry insight to the mechanical side of this that could weigh in their "theory" on this.
Sounds good man. Working for FCA for 10 years being a master Transmission tech at the dealership I work at gives me no extra knowledge of how these things work. So yeah
+Adrian Glessner higher rpms do generally cool things down more. in the older styled torque converter transmissions, anytime you were under the torque converter stall speed, the torque converter would slip and heat up quite a bit more.
on the newer style transmissions, I have no clue. however, on a radiator cooled transmission cooler such as all ford automatics used to have, more flow/higher speeds = more cooling in less time. not sure if this is still the case, but it would make sense to me.
Are we going to get an ''Non Impromptu'' Ford Powerstroke Run, or you guys going with the 450 run you did a couple weeks back to compare to this
+Ak907 Silvers We are planning to test the 2017 F-350 and compare it directly against the GM and Ram trucks.
so close...I like both trucks...I want both trucks damn it!
did they finally paint the lines for the semi lane?
Why can't a full pre trip inspection be performed?
Ask yourself this. What kind of engines do semis use. That would be inline 6s not v8s. So which engine is a inline 6 the Cummins. That same engine is also installed in medium duty trucks such as freightliner and international not v8 diesels.
It’s an interesting point because even Ford use the 67 in line 6 Commons in the f750s.
What’s the length of the big Tex trailer?
i wish you wouldn't mess with that transmission either. i think u guys need to take the truck up there again.
HP, TQ, and gears go to the Ford but as far as the forums are concerned, longevity and durability go to the Cummins. I truly wonder how many people out there that own these newer trucks are using them to capacity? I bought a 2016 Ram to pull my 18,000 lb toy hauler. There are only a handful of fifth wheels and a few big horse trailers that weigh more. I pulled my trailer over the Ike Gauntlet a few weeks ago with a big mac in my hand about as relaxed as I could be. It's definitely a huge improvement over my 2002 F-350 that I used to pull it with. Either way, I'd be happy seeing the hp and tq wars come to an end and the Big 3 fighting for MPG numbers.
Good comparison. Pretty much the difference between an inline-6 and a V8.
Diesel guys be like "can't even tell it's back there"
Lets see the 10speed ford truck towing next?
it for the f-150
Which 10 Speed?
Darius Hope
... www.greencarreports.com/news/1103767_2017-ford-f-150-new-10-speed-automatic-transmission-3-5-liter-ecoboost-v-6
Ik I don't like ford tho
Darius Hope
Why?
why do you do 3/4 and 1ton SRW trailer hitch pulls no 5th wheels. i enjoy your videos very much but its pretty much duallys towing max loads. i dont tow 5 th wheel nor 3ok lbs. i tow anywhere between 10k to 16k lbs with my SRW 1 ton truck. i feel like it would be more realistic like this vs max loads all the time. in my opinion if i tow max loads all the time it would put tremendous wear and tear on my truck and i would be putting it in the shop more often or trading my truck in more often and i dont know if its just me but i think thats crazy. but anyway love your videos and keep up the good work.
I don't know how to personally contact these guys, but I would love to see them take a MANUAL transmission Ram 1 ton up the Ike Gauntlet. I can't be the only one??? Can we try to make this happen?? Looking at a manual, but need to be able to haul roughly 15,000 max. Looking feasibility, and fuel consumption.
If you leave the Cummins alone perform a lot better. It would have went up the mountain in eight minutes.
hey try this towing challenge in the mountains of El Paso
I think you all are funny8 speeds are only used in dump truck,most semi trucks are 10 speeds or 18 speeds13 speeds too ROTFLMMFMAO
Hey dude, the 2017 ford raptor has a 10 speed auto and the 2015- current 1500 dodge Eco Diesel has a 8 speed auto
@@dustinallen8609 That's not what the discussion is about.
Does a pickup truck need to be able to haul 15 ton? That's extreme for a truck that weighs one third of what it's hauling and only a single axle
No different than a single axle Peterbilt.
the avg mpg was 2.8 when you drove it at 2k rpm the moment you guys bumped the rpm it droped to 2.4 so its farr better than ford
isn't CDL required for such a weight?
In most vehicles that have the MPG on the dash I though I read most figure on a 30 day avg.
not sure you can time the run if you will only run the truck in 2nd gear.
I have driven all three major brands and the international terra star for my personal and company needs I buy chevy less headaches
So you're cheating on this one? You're modulating the throttle different than the other trucks. Why can't you just be consistent? It really hurts your credibility when you do things like that.
+fordrac1ng81 Super Ike is NOT about directly comparing trucks. 2017 Gold Hitch award Ike towing will be consistent and highly controlled. Super Ike is about maxing trucks out, and testing different truck modes.
either way. smack talk from ram is about to be regulated!
+fordrac1ng81 Yeah, no freakin kidding. These asses (ESPECIALLY ROMAN) are pure Ford biased and hold GM up on their shoulders while the absolutely shit on Ram or anything Chrysler for that matter.
+The Fast Lane Truck, You guys ever wonder why you haven't reached even reached 1,000,000 subs yet in your 5 year plus run with all 4 of your channels combined? People can see right through to your true colors and the way you do things here and it's all but not obvious. You're opaque. Brand biased to the core.
+fordrac1ng81 And it isn't just this one they cheat on by any means. Any time they test anything with Ford, they give it multiple chances and give it everything it's got, while when it comes to testing Ram or Dodge, you can tell they clearly do not push the vehicles to get the true statistics. Shit, they blatantly did a towing test to see the best towing between a Ford and Chevy, both with their own 6.2 liter V8's and 3.72 or whatever size axels, while they use a base model Ram (except for it having the 5.7 Hemi) and use a 3.55 axel. WTF? and of course like the rest of the videos they do with Ram, they don't push the damn thing to get the true statistics.
Why is the ABS Lamp on?
abs light is not on jake on tow haul on headlights on alt. trailer
good evolution guys (:
No matter the numbers, you can’t go wrong with either hd brand. They all will last and do any job anyone could think of doing. With regularly scheduled maintenance of course.
a true test would be both of the trucks having 430 gears and put the Dodge 4500 up against the Ford F-450 or the Dodge 5500 up against the Ford F-550
Ram doesnt make a 4500 with a pickup bed tho only chassis cab to be upfitted with a dump body or flatbed to be a tow truck
Can't wait for the new duramax enigine
Defeated tow/haul mode to shift properly automatically.
what the track ?
2.4 mpg is crazy
What's the MPG? Unloaded.
Eric Sanchez shit lol
Eric Sanchez worst in class
Durango v6 towing please?
Fords output is at the flywheel...not at the wheels like gm and dodge.
Why does a manual truck have less towing capacity than auto truck?
It started when asbestos was outlawed. It was in brake linings and clutches. Without asbestos, clutches wouldn't last as long. When I was selling trucks 15 years ago, I couldn't sell someone from the mountains an auto tranny. They wanted the control of shifting. But that was just when trucks with auto's could only shut off over-drive, before tow/haul mode, factory exhaust brakes, lockup torque converters in most gears. Auto trannys now can lock up the torque converter in all gears put first like a clutch and pressure plate does. And truck manufactures have more faith in computers knowing when to shift than consumers. Their automatic tranny warranties reflected that with a 3 year- 36,000 mile warranty on gas or on diesels 5 yr 100k warranty. A clutch only has a 1 year warranty if you're lucky. In the media fleet is was rare to see a diesel truck with a manual tranny. Those companies didn't think the media knew how to shift a diesel. It can take some skill shifting a diesel under load, I would worry about the 90 year old retired dude with a diesel and a hand-shaker tranny towing his 40 ft. 5th wheel coming down the fast side of the Rockies and misses a gear and free wheels into Denver with the brakes burning up and his wife jumping out the truck at a runaway ramp. But how can you drink coffee, talk on the phone, look at all the cameras on the truck and shift gears too?
Aaaaaaand GM can't even compete with these trailers (450 and 3500) according to their spec.
-from a GM owner who loves his Duramax
Is this a 4X4 or a RWD?