Psychotropic drug BZ tested on American soldiers. 1963.
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- This public domain film was obtained by a freedom of information request from the Department of Defence, and converted to digital; it may be freely disseminated. The objective here was "military incapacitation", which is not quite the same as knocking someone out. The ideal incapacitant will not cause any lasting adverse health effects from exposure.
The dreamboat/medical officer seen in this film is Dr. James Ketchum. I loved his memoir on chemical warfare, see here: amzn.to/2Ui73am (Chemical Warfare Secrets Almost Forgotten: A Personal Story of Medical Testing of Army Volunteers). I don't know if it's still available, but if you want I can send you a PDF of the book.
This film captures what happened when four test subjects were given different doses of the incapacitating chemical 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ) in order to test their ability to adequately perform military tasks.
1960s cell phone at 01:40
My grandfather was subjected to crap like this in the Army, when he was 18, he got sick, they told him he had six months to live, gave him a pension and an honarable discharge,
this was back in the late 1940's, he lived to be 92 still collecting that pension.
Outstanding as he should! I’m glad he lived a long life
Man said 'oh until I die? and you think its 6 months? Hold my beer'
Please tell him this.Want to go to heaven? Trust Jesus Christ Life, death, burial, and Resurrection alone. His death on the cross for your sins. Yes you can't be saved unless you acknowledge that you're a lost sinner and that you deserve hell, and that Jesus Christ died for your sins.. all you have to do is trust in him asking him to forgive you and save you and you can spend eternity in heaven with God. It's personal. You can have his righteousness transferred to your account so you don't have to be judged for your own sins instead you get judge based on his righteousness. Don't trust mary, don't trust your church membership, don't trust your good works/goodness. Salvation is in Jesus Christ alone nothing more. Eternal life is a free gift and Jesus paid it All. Christians are good because we love him, not to earn our way to heaven. There is so much fake christianity, many people who have tried to work their way to heaven as a fake Christian will get cast down to hell because they're trusting in their own good works and not Jesus Christ alone.
Anyone in the military is subject to this kind of stuff. Its in the fine print.
Now THATS a bang for ya buck in terms of a drug experience😂😂😂
Keep in mind, this just what they allow us to see. It was definitely MUCH worse
They did test extremely toxic chemicals on the soliders as well, some toxins had very low lethal doses
@@strandkorbst9643 Yeah it’s actually terrifying to think what was actually going on.
@@strandkorbst9643 p
They raped children under MK ultra
Thus, why we now have Hatman...
If you want to really know what happened to these soldiers and many other unsuspecting enlisted men, I suggest reading "Secrets of Edgewood" by The New Yorker. These soldiers had absolutely no idea or given very vague descriptions they were being drugged, what the drugs were, the side-effects of the drugs during the testing, the lasting physical and/or psychological side-effects (suicide, depression, neuro-muscular disorders, psychosis, etc.), and NONE were given post-testing follow-up care or consideration. These men did not do this as voluntarily as you think. Top brass is very persuasive to inferiors ("You signed up for this, so do it") so that they kowtow to demands. I'm glad you thought this propaganda was so interesting that you spent a mint on it. You should be glad it wasn't you getting pricked by Colonel "Dreamboat" Ketchum.
I just finished reading it, it was long but fascinating. After reading it I had to find this video.
@@PsychedelicsCom eww i don't see it
@Googoo ga ga it's yo boi Baby Yoda at least fix your grammar before calling someone dumb, dumbass
WTF to the high dose guy???
He looked very bad. I stopped watching it.
I live in e wood md
SHAME on US government and military for doing this to its enlisted soldiers
The cia took over a brothel and gave many many johns LSD.
No word on the Pauls or the Matt’s
They were desperate. The Soviets were a major threat to USA politicians and defense had to be made. I understand that NOW but as a 17 year old I was a bit confused how a trail, a tracer and blur could make anyone safer.
Falling down, thats something else we did, and we did it well. Hard to fight laying down...
Imagine what we felt as we moved into an area where it was either suit up all hot or risk exposure. Funny, no one seems to mention the heat of those charcoal suits, the weight. How it was hell to eliminate , how much time we spent in decontamination, the reduced diet, the fear that at any turn of the cards we would actually be going live...
live or is it memorex was a joke, like the one about brushing something off your shoulder and it was the ground.
hardy har har.
Skip forward a few years-
Imagine trying to get a civilian Dr to look at the rash, the welts, scars or avoid mental health involvement if you dare talk about any side effects that are chemically induced, years ago. They got to go look that one up lol.
lolz iN 1976 When chemical and bio researcher Dr Beverle Meade told me I was a test subject I figured it was all over. No way! More stalling from Uncle Sugar. a LOT MORE.
I will NEVER forget the Dr in Omaha that did the Gas chromatograph back in 2005 . Or the phone call from Offutt,
What he said was "You have something in the system that simply CANNOT EXIST." Then the emergency call from Offutt. He shrugged, I left. wtf
This goes on for some time in various forms of denial, explaining, theorizing and generally just not going anywhere.. until now.
Milford Grindstaff
Former CDEC research subject in 1972 and 73, SLPP graduate US Army.
They been shot with a bunch of toxin in Iraq there was a documentary about it . If you think those things happened back in the days your living on a pink cloud
@@TheSynthZone they are always desperate it became a bad habit. They have tested on army personnel and citizens and surly enemies. Sadly we are living in a big lab where they use people like lab rat for free and sometimes without consent. Dont tell me mentally ill people asked to get drugged on Lsd in that psych ward. Its sad to see how this world is so wrong in so many ways .
@@TheSynthZone what in the hell ?? Your comment made almost no sense… maybe like 5% at best ..
I found this after watching Jacob's Ladder. There is another video of man recounting the experience and breaks down in tears recalling the pain of his hallucinations.
I saw that video, a vietnam vet who was used as an axperiment
Me too. I came here after watching Jacobs Ladder. I actually watched it back when it first came out 34 years ago but just now researching what exactly BZ is.
My dad got drunk one night recently and confessed to my family that he’s “going to hell” for administering a drug called BZ to unwitting US soldiers….I can only imagine my dad was behind the scenes in this footage
What you don’t see…they would lock a soldier alone in a room for a weekend and administer BZ and leave a loaded handgun in the room with them. They would see how long it took for the US soldier to shoot himself
Admitting to drugging a soldier is harsh, happened a few time to us in 1973. We would have beat their asses. Actually tried to but CO intervened. later I discovered the slot was again filled with another poor dupe. Not your dads fault, they had us good. He was probably tripping too.
so he knew what it was ?
No one is going to hell for what they've done. They go for what they didn't do.
ASK HIM!!! Tell him the best thing he can do to repent and redeem himself is to admit what he did, in detail, and change in his heart to never do it again. We need to know these mistakes so we are not doomed to REPEAT THEM!!!!!!!
Hallucinations for 36 hours with episodes of panic? Ya think? That walkie talkie alone was enough to make any normal person think they were tripping ballz! Me after 2 hours. PULL THE CORD! I WANT OFF THE BUS 😨
Intravenous lsd. (Or whatever the cia got their hands on in 48 or whenever this was filmed)
Dudes tripping more balls than could exist in the observable universe!
Ok just read the title late sixties so yeah someone went to the hippie commune and took their acid
@@thelukesternater the Government made LSD, not hippies. Operation Paperclip
Operation mkultra etc.
@@_LC23 lsd is stored in the balls
@@thelukesternater This is actually BZ, an anticholinergic drug. It inhibits the action of acetylcholine that of which its psychotropic properties are responsible for basic cognition and creating your image of the world as you see it. This is not like lsd in any way, the hallucinations are of a psychotic nature, (eg: seeing things that are not there, hearing voices that are not there, "plucking" or "picking" at perceived parasites or bugs) and exhibits a unique inhibition of proper expression of emotion or language, or "speaking in tongues," characterized by an accute and total stupor. If you have ever heard of Jimson Weed, this is very similar. I have experience with Anticholonergic poisoning, and while I find it interesting, it is in no way fun. I would consistently forget what I was thinking and often found my self in completely different rooms, wondering how I got there, and sometimes be seemingly texting on my phone or playing video games only to open my eyes and realize none of it was real, and then returning to an amnesiatic stupor.
I can’t be the only person that notices a trend where the largest doses are by far being fed to the lowest ranking soldiers.
Higher risk requires a more disposable subject.
Why didn't they give them to officers Tim Leary west point drop out😅
The skinny guy given the highest dose later killed his 3rd wife and committed suicide.
No way. Source for that info?
Annon Omis google operation delirium, an article by the New Yorker chronicling dr ketchum’s experiments including this one. It’s very interesting.
Annon Omis Some mysteries go deeper still. In 1995, Ronald Zadrozny, the mild-mannered soldier in one of Ketchum’s BZ tests, fatally shot his third wife and then himself. Zadrozny’s second wife told me that he had never seemed that bothered by his time at Edgewood. It is fair to believe that his violent meltdown, more than three decades later, had nothing to do with BZ.
@@rubbersoul420 is this the same Dr Ketchum who became a Bigfoot hunter?
Good work. Reading the article now...Thanks
"... At 10 hours *Private Jacob* is experiencing terrifying demons and visions of hell... you go stand up for Liberty Jacob..."
The film Jacobs Ladder is mandatory viewing for many here. How alien the researchers looked when we were high.
Damn! This would be a horrible trip. When I was 17 and took some acid before my shift at McDonald's, I fucking left. Felt right lol
Lol yeah I've taken acid before work too. Took 150 micrograms and then went to my job as a grocery store cashier and ended up freaking out and having a panic attack. Almost lost my job. I remember I couldn't look at people's faces. They kept twisting and distorting. Not a great idea. I was a dumb kid.
I did that, went to school. And Left! better to go to the beach or forest.
BZ is nothing close to acid, its closer to a DPH or datura trip (take a look at those on erowid, its horrifying)
I took like 25 ug "microdose" then went to work at a warehouse. I know it's not much UG but I felt very uncomfortable in that environment.
@@LiaLia0407 Imagine a benadryl trip that lasts for almost 2 full days
After the administration of the test drug, Private.Smyth carried out his tasks and duties erratically, with several major safety breaches that would have had catastrophic consequences for the rest of his team. This was in fact, an improvement of his natural abilities without the test drug......
Anti-cholinergic deliriant psychosis is fucking terrifying.
Yup. They were giving them benadryl gas. Anticholinergics are nasty
I saw my cat turn into a middle finger and flip me off
But don't worry, the gov always has your best interests and safety in mind.
10/10 pfp and username m8
“The government wouldn’t do that”
The way the first soldier looked at the huge fucking walkie talkie when he picked it up lol
Dude briefly went to the future and back to the past
During a test series in the seventies I once tried to eat my steering wheel, I swear it looked like a subway sandwich. We began driving like 3 miles an hour as we were hopelessly lost on the test range. Not really fun though we tried to laugh it off. Not laughing any more.
My grandpa said ‘Jacobs ladder’ was the most accurate film depiction of his experience in vietnam he had ever seen. Back then i was too young to watch it. Now i have no idea what to think.
That big ass walkie talkie could hear from the future
BZ and LSD-25....are two completely separate things....BZ was a literally a chemical/bio weapon.
It was a chemical weapon. Bio weapons are something entirely different.
nerve agent ..... i dont know why they class it as a drug like you said its a Chemaical weapon
Lsd came from ergot where did BZ come from?
Both are chemical. Neither are bio.
Iam just trying to get high
I could have just told y’all that tripping insane balls for days on end would make you a worse soldier.
They continued the testing for quite a while after this was done. In 1972 I was in a testing program MKUltra when I was 18 or so. New incapacitants were being tested.
I "vollunteered" for Special Leadership testing and was a top graduate.
The drugs eventually destroyed my ability to be a viable asset to the CIA but I made it farther than anyone when it came to crawling to a target.., Hell, maybe I am proud. I was the first to wake up many times and I assume my squad hated my guts. Sorry guys, it was a mess.
I am telling the story for my buddies. Funny how no reports of death have filtered out, yet. Watch this space.
Yes, they knew the facts but with modern drugs maybe something will eventually work right. look at what we tested one time, vistral, versed. Both are exellent for eliminating unpleasant memories....short term.
What works better? Hmmm.
maybe crawling that extra few feet saved our nation.
Would I do it again? Probably not now, I know what it is like and I DID not like it much.
Whats done is done, enjoy the freedoms you have.
I am proud to be an American and a former soldier.
@@TheSynthZone I get the impression from your writing style that the experiments had some lingering effects...
Just don´t do the war on drugs. Drugs are for partying
I just busted a lung when i saw that walkie talkie...lmao.
Yea it's silly nowadays but back then it was a game changer. To be able to communicate with the men in the field is incredibly important.
I'm sure the test subjects were denied VA benefits for the service connected issues from this.
the moment I saw that 'cellphone', I had to stop the video and walk around, cause I thought I was really high on something I didn't know I had taken :D
which minute?
@@arsamandi85291:44 lmao
I almost thought this was a joke when I saw the walkie talkie. Ik they were big back then but damn 🤣
You should see the first radios the police were using back in the day, that shit was like a ruck sack !
That is called a radio-telephone. When wired correctly it can be used to patch radio to phone wires.
This drug sounds like a nightmare!!!!
Guess what country allowed BZ to be used as a riot control agent? Guess what Army veteran watched the Jan 6th fogs on TV very nervously?
Riot control? It might cause a riot. BZ proved to have limited value and was basically a training agent in small doses by the seventies...more on that later. We trained on LSD because we could shape up and report for duty on Monday , the actual chemicals, well you know what I am saying.. one whiff and I was out of it for years. Completely.
Zero abuse potential on the newer agents.
BZ sucked but the ALD and EA167 were no picnic when you only wanted to be done for the day.
@@TheSynthZone The thought about someone using BZ as a riot control agent really shows that some of those in charge, has zero idea about what BZ was intended for. Using it in that fashion is as clever as giving someone with a psychotic episode cocaine to calm him down.
Using a hallucinogen as BZ in war serves two purposes. Create confusion which hopefully immobilizes the enemy, and if you're lucky, they'll turn their weapons on themselves or their fellow soldiers.
"Fortunately" are nerve agents, being it BZ, or a G or V agent, incredibly difficult to deploy in praxis.
4:06 'he experienced hallucinations for 36 hours' 😳
Respect 4 zodrozny
Oh yes, respect for this men!
Like a microdot then
Lmao he was tripping
Oh my God!! And they say these guys had side effects for years because of these tests. One soldier recalled bleeding lightbulbs and when he would have flashbacks he would see that all over again whenever he looked at any lightbulb! That doesn't sound like a good trip to me at all!!?
You can reach God on that walkie talkie
she might answer who knows?
2:40
Our guy tried to catch the other guy's pants
No kidding
I thought three hits and 8 hours was rough, power to these guys.
Soldiers sometimes took drugs in the tests that lasted more than 4 decades before base line was achieved. I did this. I wish 8 hours, it was relentless and well worth a book to describe. My story is being compiled.
@@TheSynthZone please share wth at story with all due respect
@@TheSynthZone due tell I took some research chemical and was kinda retarded for like 2 months
@@TheSynthZoneby what we know of human pharmacology that shouldn't be possible but I want to listen. Please elaborate with more details if you're willing and know which drug it was.
@@TheSynthZoneelaborate foo
They still use drugs on soldiers to this day, when I was in the army, I was subjected to a truth serum drug when I was a suspect in multiple arson crimes being committed in the battalion. My Commander drugged me up by throwing a white powder in my face , then interrogated me for hours. I was cleared of the crimes when the answers I was giving led them to believe I had nothing to do with the fires. It took a long time for the memories of the event to come back to me because I had amnesia from the drug. I now suffer from mental illness and I cant connect my mental health problems To the VA because they swept the whole event under the rug. No one believes my story at the VA.
This is just wrong
we're all labrats in their sick experiment, just few realise it
That phone really is highlarious! Glad I'd went back for a second look. WORTH its effort!
The effects on the max dose subject mirror those of someone with stage 5+ dementia. I wonder if there were issues with incontinence or receiving nourishment. If this is truly something that makes people exhibit short term dementia, could it be used to possibly find treatment for the symptoms of the disease? Very interesting.
This is an anticholinergic agent. Long term treatment with Benadryl, which is not even primarily an anticholinergic, has lead to increased rates of dementia etc. I suspect that it’s a common thing for anticholinergics as cognitive dysfunction is a major side effect as well. I feel like it probably has a secondary relationship over a primary relationship to dementia. I’m not sure how extensive the research is on this though.
this is a good thought process
Incontinence, no. The opposite in fact. Anticholinergics cause severe urinary retention.
Anyone remember the movie Jacobs Ladder ? It was about a soldier that was experimented on with BZ and had bad flashbacks after the Vietnam war. This video reminded me of that movie.
It turned out he was dead all along.
@@dkatomskiin a coma, hallucinating, then passed away...
He was killed because the drug caused overaggressive soldiers to kill each other
Awake and hallucinating for 36 hours. Holy shit dude
6:14 the sgts reaction in the background was brilliant 😂
Where did you get these videos,??
4:47 "spent the night searching, wandering, mumbling"
The average party-goer spends half their pay check to achieve the same effect and considers it a great night out.
I like ur style
@@samnicholson8509 I like your style
but they dont have to report for machine gun duty at 8 am.
Or just walk around talking to everyone I did that last night and got very drunk for free, was offered crack four times, smoked a phat joint with some Spanish students and called an ambulance for some poor lass who got spiked
Cost to me £0
When I was in the Navy they injected us with all kinds of shit
Yea.. your vaccines
When did you serve?
yes all the air shots god only knows what it was
Any lingering effects?
They are doing the same thing right now military wide with social engineering.
I love the state of art I-Phone at 1:47. Hard to misplace.
And that was some cutting edge technology back then, probably cost a fortune
You know these men were trying so hard to keep it together.
When could you resume normal duties?
Umm… I’m thinking of taking a weekend or two off and really thinking about my life…
I give him props to remembering how to use the radio. I bet its tricky to remember what your callsign even is after that
Armor for the inner man, a guy who accidentally dumped into a water fountain and he apologized to it. Another one who tried to write his own name on a chicken bone, another one who tried to bite his own doctors arm. Then another one who tried to ran out of the room but he ran into the medicine cabinet. Shame on the US government and also military big shots who played with this brave soldiers.
0:54 "wtf I am doing here"
Hands cold and face hot was Directed Energy Weapons probably less so the inhalation of the "incapacitation drug".
Yup
Imagine being gased by this before a fight
They spray you wait till you can't fight
Walk in and blow you away pretty scary
That's what Russia did during the 2002 theater siege when chechens took hostages. The gas they used was a mix of several chemicals including carfentanil. They ended up killing 140 hostages by overdosing them
Human guinea pigs
Did you know our troops were given food or drink that would keep,them awake?
They still do for active battle and patrol.
And salt-peter in the shakers at boot camp so you can’t get a boner
they also put stuff in the cigarettes
The whole German army in WW2 was hopped up on meth and god knows what else.... I'd assume today it's some stronger version of addy or something
In the 1980s a Canadian Tank crew was murdered by US Airforce pilots high on Meth. I shit you not. Fully legal....
Yo, that was crazy. Did you see the size of that cell phone?
whats that whispering effect i,m hearing is it just a unwanted feature of the time or something does anyone else notice it?
I hear it too. But im am wearing headphones.
It was recorded 40 years ago. The audio quality is shit.
Anyone else here coz of Jacob's Latter?
Letter 🤨
@doom lmfaoo I've never heard of it I apologize 😅
Don’t watch the remake🙄
Yes! Just watched it.
Honestly I’d try it, it looks like datura or diphenhydramine but remarkably cleaner, no mention of convulsions or seizure activity, while lasting about as long as a high dose datura experience can last. Ironically this chemical weapon is arguably safer and more desirable than its nearest more commonly used “recreational” equivalent. Yknow, if you’re into that.
Safe to assume similar trials were conducted with substances like LSD during the research at Edgewood. As well as testing mustard gas and other horrifically unpleasant chemical weapons, likely on some of the same military volunteers. Imagine taking a unprecedented amount of LSD and then having mustard gas blown in your face, that’s scarier than the effects of any single drug, hands down.
Man the US government was higher than the hippies in the 60’s
fucking loser
The government created the hippies.
They probably just didn't want to admit they gave fellow soldiers seizures, convulsions, and all that. Also, anticholinergic activity in general can cause seizures.
36 hours of tripping. You're not sleeping.
You're a fucking idiot, go read a book. This BZ shit causes horrific effects. But you know, on second thought, you probably should try it. I have a feeling the world won't be missing anything important if you go.
I'm pretty sure that's not a cell phone as cell phone did not exist in the 60s... that's a walkie talkie something you may of never heard before.
amazing 4 mile range!
The movie Jacobs Ladder addresses this hard to follow but knowing about these experiments before hand will make it easier.
Thats my favorite horror movie
How the fuck is this not popular by now, especially considering Jacob's Ladder?? 🤦🏻♀️
Because no one cares, and no one wants to know. Its that simple.
''You doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world than all we generals.''
~Napoleon Bonaparte
"The government would never do that!"
Oh yes they would.
what’s with the creepy whispering added in the background? anyone else hearing it?
I believe BZ was used at Kamenica Hill during the massacre of Srebenica. I regret looking up testimonies of its effects. They make Freddy Krueger sound like Peppa fucking Pig
I got laced one time and went to jail during the 3 day trip. Felt like this.
fun?
@@ViciousMaximus it ruined me man.
@@StreetCultured Sorry to hear
I´m ruined too but by antidepressants
They killed my libido and my willingess to live
Now im off but i
insomniac
I´ll get better or die but never comming back
No you didn't, no street drug makes you trip for 3 days you fkin liar. I've taken near fatal amounts of psychedelics, nothing will make you trip for 3 days. Your body chemistry doesn't work like that. Stop lying. No one is impressed.
What the hell is "BZ"?? A chemical compound or drug name would be nice to know. And that's the biggest damn mobile phone I've ever seen!
@@PsychedelicsCom Holy god it was MASSIVE! And I thought Don Johnson had a big mobile phone when I looked back and the old reruns of Miami Vice from the 80's!
This research(“Operation Delirium”)provided critical information for our world in relationship to non-lethal incapacitating agents used in military warfare. That alone(Non-lethal!) is a major benefit to our family world. This BZ research helped design many anesthetics used today in surgical anesthesia, drug we get before major surgeries. James S. Ketchum MD deserves far more positive recognition than he’s been given, as does Sidney Gottlieb & Jolyon West. Not everything that is said about these men was true.
@@BushyHairedStranger It's not the drugs being researched that was bad or a problem. It's the non-ethical manner in which the research itself was conducted which was unacceptable.
Tools Toolbox Who said the drugs being researched were bad or a problem? I know I didn’t say any such thing, Nor did I talk about ethics. I mentioned the benefits of BZ research and three names, three incredibly talented Chemists and that’s about it.
@@fartknocker31 Whilst I agree, this is nothing new. "Scientists" have been performing similar experiments, and worse, on mice and guinea pigs for a long time, but no one bats an eye for them.
You will remember everything
this is so cynical… what do you mean?
lol
That book is $500 on the site... HOW DO WE GET THE PDF?
Thank you in advance.
My dad signed up for weapons testing while in Vietnam in 68 and they used lad BZ and a third unnamed confusion agent. Wild.
LSD * he was able to get them to admit it was lsd and BZ but not the third because he had apparently signed something saying he would never ask. But it was another extremely powerful psychedelic.
They had nice cuts tho.
This looks like a movie scene
The short skinny guy gets a high dose, the heavier guy gets a low dose….. should be interesting, what could go wrong? (Lots!)
Almost seems intentional
My uncle was discharged from the Army with multiple personalities disorder. I was just a child then, but I remember when I asked my mother why my uncle was "crazy", she told me that she believed that he was injected with something. We never found out the truth.
if this is the video they show us imagine all the horrible awful things they did without showing us. all the stories of military having their lives ruined
Wouldn’t surprise me if it still goes on but they’ve almost perfected widespread psyops
This is some Vault-tech shit right here
And thus Captain America was created
1:52 where can I get a phone like that!
For a brief period of time, these guys were the coolest soldiers in the military.
Nah this is like taking alot of benadryl or like lower doses of datura that shit sounds not fun at all
BZ WAS EASILY FATAL. BENADRYL? BZ WAS ONE OF THE DEADLIEST AGENTS IN THE WORLD. IT ISNT BENADRYL, AND IT ISN'T AN ACID TRIP. ITS AN INCOMPACITATING CHEMICAL AGENT THAT WAS INTENDED FOR USE IN REAL LIFE WARFARE.
This is not a good time.
So what was the purpose of these tests??
Good brains changed forever
WOW the size of that walkie talkie is crazy
These poor men...
I followed link for Dr Kechum's book. Hardcover $1066. Used $650. I would appreciate a PDF from you. Thank you. How can I get this link without putting email address for everyone to see?
Basically sol unfortunately maybe try some forums just watch out for fishing links
Was this ever used against the Vietcong? Is this drug still around today?
It is still around, and I'm sure there are a dozen drugs that are even more potent than it in existence today.
@@SliceofBread123 what is it’s purpose today?
watch the movie titled JACOBS LADDER where that subject is raised a bit.
Investigations in Washington (MK Ultra) shows that until soldiers involved are questioned we may never know.
We did use agents, ORANGE , BLUE , WHITE, YELLOW and others, but no one official is talking loudly.
I personally have stated that we did an incursion into ********* using chemical incapacitants in 1973- 4. They were not psychedelic, no.
Is this the part where I risk National Security?
In 2011 I was allowed to begin the process of disclosure on my own files
USA! USA! USA!
I am a patriot and a drug test subject....
Nope. It and other chemical weapons were banned by treaty long ago….
It’s the other soldiers or test takers that aren’t tripping hiding laughter in the background the whole time. 😭😭😩
What's amazing (at least to me) is the fact that while these guys were tripping, they probably felt completely normal and even had forgotten that they were on anything at all. This is some military-grade hallucinogenic stuff that the civilian world never had access to. Who'd want to take BZ for fun, anyway?
I would totally try it if I just was told what it is molecularly, is it a PCP type or lsd type or marijuana type ? Peyote ? Idk but I would need to before I just take something. I highly doubt it’s much different than the named above
I stand corrected, I just looked it up and it would actually be closest to tripping on a heavy dose of Dramamine or Dextromethorphan
The military medical diagnostic goes like this:
“Hot as hell dry as a bone crazier than shit.”
Grandfather Orbán Joe was subjected to crap like this in the Army, when he was 18, he got sick, they told him he had six months to live, gave him a pension and an honarable discharge,
this was back in the late 1940's, he lived to be 92 and I still collecting that pension.
BZ is one of the craziest drugs.
It was the elves telling carpenter that war is bad.
An iceberg led me here
bz is basically buff dph like the fent of dph
This is why you can’t trust our own government
Bull, everyone blows it sometimes. Do you honestly think that the Soviet threat was going to consider our little feelers?
The testing happened to me personally and now i AGREE IT had to be done. TOO BAD MONKEYS DIDNT WORK OUT.
It was hella harsh but I manned up and moved on. Still gonna bitch But hey, thats WAR.
Besides, I do really good space art ...lol
Make me think about my dad, he said thdy just showed up on the boat one day and they had to get shots. They had no idea what the shot was but within 3 days everyone got extremely sick.
Not only that some of the participants had permanent effects such as depression, anxiety, paranoia. They made their lives hell
That Walkie talkie Iooks like the cell phones from the 80’s.
Is this a phenyl piperazine drug ?
BZ was also given to Paul Robeson, a singer and political activist without his knowledge.
... why did Pickett charge?
Jacobs Ladder.
1:40 Look how huge the radio is looooool 😭😭😭😂😂😂
Met a former combat medic from the 1970s us army named jerry
Jerry enlisted in 1972 after highschool
Was trained As a combat medic
He went to work in a military psychiatric hospital
He told me they did alot of things to people like that
Service members
Jerry was injured when a soldier attacked him and other medical orderlys
Military police had to shoot the psychotic patient with a .45
7 rounds guy kept charging them and bleeding everywhere
A sergeant had to put two .38 special rounds from an .38 special smith and wesson he had in an ankle holster
An hour later army CID came in and interviewed all the orders and military policemen
FBI and DOD agents came in and confiscated all medical files
Jerry got a medical discharge and a medical pension
I tripped balls once for 44 hours straight. It was ridiculous, and I was forever changed, a different person after that experience.