Get more power out of your C5 Corvette (Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers BEWARE!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Tired of your C5 Corvette not being able to keep up with modern muscle cars like the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger? It's time to do something about it and Supercharge your C5 Corvette! How to increase your C5 Corvettes Horsepower from 350 to over 550!
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Another excellent C5 video. I decided to part with my 2002 LS1 to buy a 2009 LS3 and find that 430hp is more than adequate in base stock form. Not into drag racing, just cruising. I do find some local Mustang owners challenging me, but ignore them as street racing is dangerously stupid. Nothing against Mustangs here. Just the comparison to them is sort of like "Apples and Oranges" analogy. Keep up the superb C5 videos.
Once I stepped into a vehicle with higher power.. I to just backed off of street competition and take it to the track. (I had a 600hp Gen 2 Ford Lightning and drove it like a grandpa on the street)
@@wydopnthrtl Wise decision. The dragstrip is the ONLY place to race. Thank you sir for doing the right thing.
Check out what my cat delete e85 mustang does to c6 corvettes with heads cam intake
One has a stroker motor with high compression pistons
Heads cam intake
On a drag pack
I've probably done 100 pulls with other cars and it's not dangerous when there's no traffic ahead of you. The cars are built for speed. Stop being a wuss and do it. It's really fun. You don't have enough hp to peel out at 60 and lose control.
@@nikkoalpha2you can't do a 40 or 60 rolling start on a dragstrip. A dig with slicks would shatter my diff. I prefer NOT being on the dragstrip. All the waiting. Clapping out your engine with burnouts before each and every run. Eff that. Not worth it for me at all.
I need to go outside and take a good look at my C5 Corvette. You make me change my mind💯💯
Great video and right on! Took my A&A supercharged c6 for a cruise this morning. Rolled on it in 2nd gear and my rear end was all over the place. Damn it felt good!
Oh Hell YA!
My next step smaller pulley 1200cc injectors, dual pump fuel system, rpm transmission, 3800 stall, roll cage, I have some pulls on here with stock ls3 and A&A v-3 t-trim 3.8 pulley from when I was in Mexico
Nice seeing the face of someone active on the forum I am part of. My new to me 2K C5 auto is absolutely getting the A&A treatment, and it will be bolted onto a stroked LS1. With 115,000 on the clock I want to freshen up the stock motor and while in there, why not add a bit of displacement as well. I do wish it was a 6M, however I do know a good auto can be quite fast as well, RPM is getting that task. Excellent content as always! Neat sidenote, the founder of A&A's brother did the tile work in my house a few months ago...
Careful how much power you push through that auto. A stroker would probably be prone to breaking on, let alone adding the sc
I have a 96 C4 and the best thing you can do to your late model C4 and C5 is tune it. I would assume the Burst Knock and Spark Knock tables are similar to the C5. GM pulls anywhere from 5-20 degrees of timing for knock depending on the table. The LT-1 is notorious for false knock. Many owners are losing power because of this and don't even know it. If you can de-tune these tables as well as doing other things that enhances torque and horsepower with tuning, you're going to be very happy. Your mods only enhances your tuning. 🤟
Tuning options are limited for the C4's LT engines. HP Tuners and EFI Live make C5's and newer much easier to bea able to tune plus the resources for find info. I always check when working with folks on their C5 and C6 cars to make sure their trim are in line and knock is at a minimum. If not, I suggest we dig deeper to find out why!
@@Toys4Life yes, I tune mine with JETS DST. I make sure I run my LT-1's octane high enough to stay out of the knock tables. However even with new knock sensors, I still get false knock on occasion. I tuned mine out and listen for knock. It's risky but if you know what you're doing and keep the octane levels up with E-10 pump gas? You'll be fine. So long as your timing advance curve isn't crazy...
I really love the creativity and knowledge that you put into all of your content.
I appreciate that!
Great content! I have a 04 C5Z. Full exhaust, Coilovers suspension etc. I’ve been sitting on a D1SC Procharger kit for a few years and have yet to install it. Fear of losing streetability and reliability. But this video has me considering changing my mind…🤔
what coil overs? do you recommend them?
@@sniperpronerfmods9811 BC Racing Coil Overs + PFADT Sway Bars. 100% recommend both brands. 👍
Interested in selling that ProCharger
@@ptopp1147 not sure
It won't affect reliability man
My 16 Camaro has been supercharged for over 5 years now
Zero issues
I drive it all the time
About to buy my first Vette, looking at a black base manual '03. Definitely cannot afford to supercharge at the moment, but maybe some day! I am in school for engineering, and allegedly that comes with some money eventually. We will see!
Excellent content! I have a 2004 ZO6 with the AA supercharger, cam, long tube headers and a tune that Rip!! Well worth the cost in smiles 😊
Couldn't agree more!
Did you upgrade the injectors or fuel pump ?
Great information. I am hesitant to 'unstock' my 50 AE but nice to know what I can do if I change my mind.
Just fkn do it
Hey bud wanna thank you for all your videos your my go to whenever i need advice on my 97 c5
Glad to help
I have a c7 in love it but I’m going to find a c5 I want to supercharge it this is awesome thanks
Love your channel. Keeping it honest!!!
The issues with supercharging a 1997-2001 LS1 'Vette, Camaro, Firechicken, etc. is the well-documented #2 compression ring issue for those years. See revised GM Service Bulletin #01-06-01-023A from June 19, 2001 regarding higher than expected oil consumption, replace rings and engine valley cover, VIN Codes G, S, RPOs LS1, LS6. (Valley cover replacement revised to include ONLY LS6). The excessive oil consumption can be as great as 1-quart per 400-600 miles! Apparently, GM revised the piston rings for the 2002-2004 C5s. Thankfully, my 2001 G Code C5 DOES NOT have an oil consumption issue, but, if I was to install a supercharger, it might develop one. I'm not willing to take that gamble. I'll simply enjoy the car as it is.
c5z with headers will walk away from a 2022 mach1, so it's not quite as dire as "a gt will smoke a c5" lol, but still great video as always!
Thanks for this vid!
I have a C5 Z06 and am thinking in the next winter or two... adding a SC but keeping the drivetrain stock. New clutch of coarse.
Nice, pretty sure you will love it!
I made 406 rwhp 405trq with my 6 speed 04. It has a LS6 block, Texas Speed Bald Eagle cam, catless long tubes, and the flip tie CAI. BC Racing DS Track Spec Coilovers, HPI Rear diff brace, and forged wheels as well. Looking at 243 ported heads this winter. Someday Ill throw an LS3 or LS7 in it... Someday. Want to keep it reliable for the track and autocross, no drag racing for me.
Agreed - road course/autocross is what this car is suited for best. They are on my to do list!!
I was running 13.1 1/4 mile in my 2004 SRT-4.
I'm working hard an getn O/T for my new new 01-04 C5 M6 toy! 💪🚗💨💨💨🤙😎
I think the lsx 454 would be a good swap for the money to
That has a nice ring to it!
2024 Mustang GT weighs 3750 lbs. 2002 Corvette base weighs 3200 lbs. Mustang will win but not by much.
My yearly supercharger budget keeps getting spent on other things...like an engine last year and transmission this year lol. Crazy i'm mid 11's with only 115mph trap speed though and your supercharger hits 130.
130 is proof he's making big time power. And through a stock exhaust too. 😮
That's awesome - What are your 60' times for the mid 11 second 115 mph passes?
@@wydopnthrtl Yea ikr! Supercharger starts throwing out the power past the 8th!
@@Toys4Life 1.69 60ft, then 7.51 at the 8th. I should get better rear gears cause after the 8th I have to go into 3rd and it really dips, but 2.73's are so good for highway!
@@bigbenisdaman What trans and tire are you running?
My stock Z06 and street radials I'm lucky to cut a 2.0 60ft 🙄
thank you
You're welcome
this was an awesome video and really temps me to buy a used kit i see on facebook marketplace... this may seem odd but I do a TON of highway driving for work in the c5 so highway mpg is kinda important which is why I didn't go heads cam... what did you get on the highway before and after... like what mpg do you get at 65, 75?
With just the supercharger you might lose a quarter mile per gallon. Unless your foot's in it, then it'll eat a lot of fuel while you're doing that.
Are you selling the kit/installing and location.
I do not sell them. If you live in the twin cities of MN, we can talk about installation and tuning!
Holy crap, I think I recognize the place at 4:46. I’m a C5 owner in MN as well. Is that Carver!?
I can confirm that is not in Carver (:-)
@@Toys4Life Gotchya! There’s a sweet old fashioned gas station in Carver that looks almost identical! If you’re ever in that area, definitely check it out. Definitely a cool sight!
Nice vid. I want to sell my 2018 Accord 2.0t for a c6 but they are a bit too expensive, and im worried the c5 wont have enough power without spending $ on this supercharger.
Unless you need a TON of hp, it will be fine as it has quite a bit (:-)
Thanks for another great video. I would LOVE to have a supercharged C5 albeit I lean towards a more roots style than belt-driven. BUT, gas is crazy expensive and I am concerned about gas mileage in the everyday use of my '02 Z06. What are your thoughts on nitrous as an alternative on-demand source of power in a stock car vs the constant available boost of a supercharger?
With nos it is my understanding you don't want everything charged and ready to go all the time - so it is hard to be spontaneous with it IMO.
With this video you made me want to install a supercharger on my own C5 real bad. The problem is, here in Italy, such a modification is highly illegal and if the Police happened to stop me for some reasons, they'd seize the car 😔. Not to mention that, should i have an accident with such a heavily modified car, the insurance wouldn't pay... The only way to "make it legally", would be try to re-homologate the car at the vehicle registration office , but it would be a p.i.t.a. in terms of both money and time. How does it work in the U.S.? Your car is awesome, though. Thanks for posting 👍. Cheers from a fan of yours from Italy.
Thankfully here in the US modding your car is fairly straightforward, no real things to worry about insurance wise except if you don't declare your mods then you won't get anything for them should they become damaged in an accident. You'll get "VIN value" and that's it. Your liability insurance will still pay out should you damage somebody else's property or vehicle as appropriate. Now there may be an instance where you do something really dumb, insurance pays out then drops you because of risk but that's about it. The only real thing you have to worry about is emissions in some states with California being the strictest but otherwise it's pretty much a free for all, do what you want. It's your car, your property but also your risk. If you don't have enough insurance coverage for the damage you do/cause then the injured party can sue you into bankruptcy and then some. So if you mod your car it's a good idea to up your insurance coverage but the onus is on you to do so. Nobody is going to force you to do it. As far as licensing goes, in most states they just want their money and a quick VIN check to make sure it's not stolen and then you get your plates in the mail and whatever happens after that isn't their concern.
wow i didnt know that... my dads Italian...never heard of stuff like that
Hey! That car in the thumbnail looks familiar 😂
She's a beauty!
Maybe so but haven't lost to a mustang yet ...
Can this kit manage the additional heat for road course lapping?
IMO - no, nor can the brakes, or power steering (without a cooler). Road course HPDE racing creates heat everywhere!
Can u talk about a 2016 and up Camaro ss with the LT1 their not very pricy and u can get crazy hp for Amit cheaper then 8 grand
I don't have a ton of experience with them so I likely wont - at least for a while. Sorry!
How about installing an A&A kit on mine, I'm local no less :D
You never know, what city do you live in?
@@Toys4Life brooklyn park, we have chatted in the past on the vette forum
I'd like to do that upgrade for my 02 Z06, but guess what I live in California. I have some friends that have a set like yours, but now with new Smog Regs Cali, they can't get their cars to pass smog. 😡
I thought A&A was CARB compliant
Me too.
What rear gear you have in that thing
Where is your spoiler at sir?
Im goinf a different route, my car came with intake, long tubes, xpipe, and i did the exhaust bypass for more noises. Ill be adding a 4.11 axle and though youll ne fast in the 1/4, i think I'd stqnd a chancein the 1/8. 🙃
That would be fun, I dig it. For 11s might be a little bit too low, first gear might be a challenge on the street. I would try to find someone to test drive their car with 4.11s first if possible.
If u own any ls based engine u know how to get easy power out of them
Is that the only requirement?
What's holding most back is the cost.
I get it. Oddly enough the SC offers the most HP for the $$ by far - problem is you have to buy soo much HP at one time- kinda like a mega pack of HP at Sams Club....
i wonder what my z06 would do with this kit
IMO add 50hp and 40TQ over what he's making.
We Z06's have both a bigger head and bigger cam.
That makes sense, I would love to do one and have it dyno'd to find out for sure the HP difference!
I have a 2002 c5 z06 act twin disc clutch longtube headers ati balancer nitto nt01 tires and a speed density tune she made 651whp did returned last year now she's making 670whp. She's fast!!! I don't know what she would do in the 1/4 mile, never tracked it!
Local MN guy here as well.
Was looking at doing a procharger or the A&A kit, decided on doing a cammed LS3 swap since my buddy had one laying around and sold it to me for cheap. (doesn't mean i can't add boost to that motor down the road either!)
Right on - although that cammed LS3 has to be near 500 HP!
This was a way better call than a supercharger or turbo kit.
Why?
@@Toys4Life made 530whp in his camaro. BTR Stage 4 NA cam. Gathering the rest of the parts up and hope to have everything done and tuned by Powercruise 2
Did you have to change any driveline parts to handle the extra horsepower with that forced induction? To answer your question: What's holding me back? I haven't found a street-legal supercharger kit for my LS3 C6. Procharger makes legal units for just about all the Corvette models except mine.
Give A&A Corvette a call and discuss, straight shooters I'll give you all the facts!
@@Toys4Life Thanks for the tip! I punched in my specifications and it came up with a solution. Their phone number is 805 area code, which is right here in Cali. Did you have to change your drive line (clutch, diff, tranny, torque tube couplers) when you added that forced induction? I'd hate to spend $6K & then break another $6k worth of drivetrain parts. I have a 2010 base, LS3 6MT MRC with standard diff, but I don't know how durable that setup is (i.e. is it mostly the same driveline parts as a Z06 or ZR1 model and I'm just not informed enough to know). Thanks for the vid & the tip!!!
I like power and love my C5 Vert, and don't deny that more power would be great. However, after adding 20+ into body and interior mods, 14+G's CAN for a pro-charger or even a supercharger, is a pretty hard pill to swallow for a car that's only worth a little over 20G. 5-6G for heads and a cam seems a little more reasonable and still gives solid gains for a car that is light as a feather. :)
Sc kit is 5999. 1500 more for install and tune
Hellcat 4,400+lbs
ZL1 3,900+lbs
Mustang 5.0 3,700+ lbs. You are way below that. Mpg is a big concern to me and California smog leaves me with little options.
Last time I checked A&A had a CARB # for their C5 kits. You are right about the weight, C5s are around 3250!!!
Oh... only a $12,000 kit?! That's all I need?
Where did you see that $$?
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@@Toys4Life thanks and your video is great.
Great video what does a setup like that cost ?
5.9k for the kit and $1500 or so to install & tune = 200+ more HP. It is a lot, but $ per horsepower is hard to beat when people are spending 2k for 30 HP from headers.
My 600whp c5z gets 30mpg
Insane, efficient fun!
what do you think about supercharging a LS6 C5Z06 without changing anything else?
I'm all for it, I might freshen up the valve springs though.
How many miles were on your C5 when you supercharged it?
Are higher mileage vehicles less reliable to supercharge?
Around 70,000. They might be even more reliable as long as they're in good condition because they're a little looser. Supercharged engines are typically built with wider ring and gaps to allow for the extra heat expansion.
Love the video BUT just bolting on this kit and getting it tuned will NOT get you up to 580 whp or a 130 mph trapspeed
Comeon man
$8k will get you in the door
Proper fueling is expensive
Come on over, we can take the engine apart. Running on e33 instead of methanol gave me the last 5 mph.
@Toys4Life
If i still had my C5 I definitely would. I really appreciate enthusiasts who really enjoy their car and sharing experiences with fellow enthusiasts
:)
I have a 2016 Camaro SS now
It has a Maggie on it
Makes about 550 whp
6 speed
Fun car
Man I'm looking at a '99 6 speed manual c5 with 140k miles on it for $10k. Is that a viable option? I know the LS1s are BEASTS but I want to drive this thing for years and eventually supercharge it, amongst other things.
If you're really going to supercharge it, go for a 2001 and newer. They have larger torque tube internals on the manual transmission and will hold up much better. Good luck sir!
@@Toys4Life Got it, thanks!
I would pay u to do mine
I’ve been finding your videos really helpful as I car shop. What are you options if you want like 400-450 at the wheels?
Streetable or tempermental?
@@Toys4Life definitely streetable
@@mwp1088 C6, LS3 engine, mild cam heads headers.
@@Toys4Life haha i guess that’s one option. Any options for the c5?
@@mwp1088 C5 would need a blower with low boost to get to a nice streetable 425 rear wheel horsepower IMO.
What's stopping me is cost
How old a guy are you?
@@Toys4Life 40...I have 5 kids and that's mostly what's stopping me
To bad in Sweden, we cant supercharge our c5:s cause of the yearly car inspection…just dont allow it….
Thats sad, to much work to build and remove and build again every year.
Thanks for very intressting movies, i always enjoy them!
Sorry to hear that
My c5 z06 supercharged blows some oil out of the breather cap, is that normal? I feel no lose in power
A little bit is normal, consider a catch can if it bugs you or is too much.
@@Toys4Life it's not a lot but it drips on the headers and smokes
My 10 speed mustang gt with cat delete and e85
Absolutely destroyed my co workers supercharged c5 and I gave him a big hit
I just said go and when he was about 2 cars out I hit it and reeled him in instantly
I let him get in boost so no excuse he now knows that his car alot slower
Hmmm. Something isn't adding up. More info on your M GT. Year, engine Mods ??
No doubt something isn’t right. My c6 ls3 with headers high flow cats and a tune used to pull those mustangs all day long. Now that it’s supercharged I wouldn’t even waste my gas on playing with a mustang.
@@Toys4Life 2020 gt 10 speed auto
Cat delete
E85 tune by Lund racing
K member
Drag pack
His car is 04 c5 manual
A&A supercharger
And these 10 speed mustangs are nasty from a roll
I draggy 8.1
60-130
@@ctvette1318 yeah my 10 speed beat a stroked out heads cam c6 I can post it for you both to see I will post it
My car is blue
@@Toys4Life I put two videos up for you guys
You guys must not roll race a lot
My car beats
Bolt on hellcats
Any ls3 corvette
Any c7 stingray cammed or not
Etc
Did you not need a new torque converter also ?
If you watched the video you would know he has a MT
For AT cars - you do not need a new converter for this kit.
Hey, toys4 life! Do you have to change out any of the drivetrain, axels or having a built automatic tranny after supercharging and tuning etc?? I like the your videos and have a black C5 like yours, subscribed:)
IMO w/an auto tranny you'll want to at a minimum increase the line pressure on both shifts and at heavy throttle via the tune. Might consider a shift kit that does that mechanically.
The drivetrain comes down to what rear tires you use. If yo go DR's or slicks and try to launch hard your going to break stuff faster. If you keep normal street radials and don't let the rear tires hop much you'll be OK IMO.
Good points, I Was thinking of supercharging, tune, maybe headers and built rear with (faster) gears in the future. It’s stock with just the performance tires and corsa exhaust and dual snorkel intake, I believe the brakes were also upgraded at one point also. Thanks the reply/opinion :)
@wydopnthrtl Sir, I agree (:-)
@@ronaldmartin8770 Hey I'll share this with you. I've had over 20 muscle cars in my life. This C5 Z06 w/ceramic coated LT headers, bullet cats, and a corsa muffler system is the best sounding exhaust I've ever had in my life. It's fairly quiet inside the car and has zero drone at any RPM.
I personally love the flowmaster classic 40 sound but on my C5's exhaust I'd not change anything. It's perfect as is.
On my channel there are some vids where you can hear what it sounds like inside w/windows up.
Listen to the sound of this from 1:08 to 1:24
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@@ronaldmartin8770 Rear gear... IMO and based on what I perceive you want... change the rear gear first. You may decide you like it just that way as it'll give you a lot more 5-60mph TQ to the tires.
Also I've tuned (Fords) automatic transmissions. Going w/steep gears in the rear, and changing the tunes shift points made for a very different driving experience.
I upped the shift points by 1mph low, 1.5 in medium throttle, and 2-3mph in high throttle. I did the same w/shift firmness (pressure and shift milliseconds) and it was awesome. Shifted like stock at light throttle. Firm-ish at medium throttle, and tire barking at full throttle.
I live in California. What mods could I add to my c5?
A&A Supercharger kit - 50 State Legal (CARB EO# D-707) systems.
@@Toys4Life wouldn’t I need a tune? Or would I still pass smog. Thank you for the reply!
If you ever do decide to help install a couple of kits here and there, I may be interested in some assistance! I'm in MN too :)
You'd better BEWARE.
Ya!
Hrm, let's see, what's the fastest way to get to needing to replace the 20 year old engine in my C5? I know! Add a supercharger! Don't be surprised when said supercharger blows out the 20 year old gaskets and things go sideways. Then once you fix all that, you'll find that all those old 20 year parts downstream while on paper can take 600hp, in reality and after the 77k miles of use, they just don't really like too much more than the stock hp and so they give up the ghost. But hey then you can upgrade the rear end and beef up the tranny and then you'll ride until you blow a rod. And then you will have spent more time money blood sweat and tears than just buying something new with your desired horsepower. Don't ask how I know.
YIKES...I guess I have been lucky for the past 5 years. I have over 77k on my C5...
I put a super charger on my c5 lol. What tires are you using?
He's on stock-ish radials. In one of his past vids he says what he used. He also has wheel hop sometimes.
stock size Firestone Indy 500's. They do well everywhere except top of 1st gear on the street.
@@Toys4Life I upsized +1 on my Z06 and love the extra compliance over mid-west road cracks / expansion joints.
Not to mention the Mustang weighs about 1000 lbs more
Add a 10spd trans to that corvette it’s gonna wake up quite a bit
11.50. Not that impressive. 130 trap? That’s crazy impressive.
I agree - 11.50 is slow but my track uses NHRA rules (insurance) so if I go under I might get the boot. Also, If I used some good drag radials to get a good launch - (1.6 60' time vs 2.0) The odds of littering the track with diff chunks and fluid goes up a LOT. 130mph is fun for sure - thanks for the comment!
A mustang will crash first
That might be true, Corvettes have more weight on the rear tires for traction as a percentage of the whole.
@Toys4Life C5 don't have to look very hard on utube
TBH, she's blonde so her brain was already spaghetti before she drove a Tesla.
Oh, she seems like a pretty smart lady 🤣
corvette this corvette that broke boy still got an android
I prefer open source android!