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Few corrections / additions. The research and development of natively produced aircraft had begun way before the late 1930s as seen with the IVL K.1 Kurki (1927, trainer/transport), IVL C.24 (1924, fighter), IVL C.25 (1925, fighter) and IVL D.26 Haukka (1927, fighter) These prototypes would eventually be followed up by a mass-produced military aircraft in the form of the VL Sääski (1928, general aviation/trainer/naval patrol) and the limited production VL Kotka (1930, naval patrol/light bomber) So yeah the development of not just prototype, but even serial production military aircraft had commenced prior to late 1930s. Additional note: the word Pyörremyrsky can be translated into various English words in addition to hurricane, such as typhoon and whirlwind (which both lack their own separate words in the Finnish language). Otherwise, good work and research! Would be cool to see a video about the VL Puuska, a competitor for the VL Pyörremyrsky which never left the drawing board.
Mostly a good video but I have one main issue with it. To say that the Finns didn't produce native aircraft until the late 30s and to *imply* that the first native aircraft was the Myrsky is incorrect. The Finns designed and produced several aircraft types for the airforce before this such as the Sääski (first flight 1928), the VL Tuisku (first flight 1934) and the VL Viima (first flight 1936). This was along with one-off prototypes like the VL Haukka fighter (first flight 1927).
Man that’s frustrating, I was trying to search for native Finnish designs but I couldn’t find anything on the internet, I couldn’t understand why nothing was coming up
@@aviationdeepdive I suppose that the interest drawn by the Myrsky and the Pyörremyrsky may have buried earlier Finnish designs on the English speaking internet.
Thank you for the excellent presentation. As a point of interest, the Hansa-Brandeburg W.33 shown in the top left corner at 1:25 belongs to the Latvian Air Force, which i) also operated the W.33 and ii) also sported a swastika (a red diagonal one) as their Air Force insignia in the inter-war years.
The Finnish AF's first plane was a Thulin D, built in my home town, and gifted to the Finns by count Erik von Rosen. And his personal house mark was a swastika for light and happiness (This was before the nazis) he marked the plane with a blue swastika in a white roundel. A marking the Finnish AF used until after WW2.
Your Finnish words pronounced very well. Small tidbit of Finnish air force history. When group of Finns went to pickup British Hurricanes and Blenheims. There was Blackburn Roc naval turreted fighter with Finnish markings. Finns left that behind. There's no photos of it in Finland and never mentioned in any Finnish air force books. Roc's blue swastikas were covered with white hemp fabric when it was flown over British skies. As it was feared getting shot down by itchy fingered AA.
This is what i would like to call the "Orthodox Fighter", due to it's inline engine and emphasis on a mixture of performance, armament and survivability. Such examples including the Macchi MC.202/MC.205 Folgore and Veltro, Reggiane Re.2001/2005 Falco II and Saggitario, Fiat G.55/56 Centauro, and Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien.
6:40 This is incorrect. The PM-1 stands for Pyörremyrsky-1. The "PuuMersu" was only a colloqial nickname, but not the official name. Pyörremyrsky is a combound word from the words Pyörre (Twirling) and Myrsky (Storm).
There must be some kind of pyörremyrsky in the head of a native English speaker as he/she tries to pronounce Valtion Lentokonetehdas (VL) Pyörremyrsky. 😂
Pretty isn't she. I'd like to see her fly. Imagine if she'd been available in numbers when intended?. I've often redesigned the hurricane and defiant in my mind and on paper. Westland whirlwind also. I love "what ifs?"👍😁✌️☮️
You are doing fine when speaking Finnish, just remember to pronounce strong "R". As far as i understand DB605's power was limited in Finnish use to around 1300hp because engines we received had only cast iron cylinder liners without chrome plating. They wore out very fast if you used all 1450hp. Pyörremysky looks like a great desing to me, Myrsky was a disaster structurally. Wooden structure could not cope with the rain and damp, we did not have good enough glues at the time. I think best Finnish design, conversion was so called Mörkö-Morane. Decade ago i built Mörkö as a giant scale RC model, and it flew really well and it was fast. We should have abandoned the Myrsky project and concentraded building Mörkö's and Pyörremyrsky's. th-cam.com/video/X1EpO0S1dvk/w-d-xo.html
Is this "Tuisku"? We fins do not know "pyöremyrsky" thing. Tuisku is icy snowing with high winds and it eats your face. You cover you face more than very soon. like Thousands icy needles.
Finland was surrounded and the only one inside with Finland was nazi-Germany. Finland would have had to surrender to soviets in order to avoid famine. Only place we got grain was Germany. So the choices were to die because lack of food or become part of Soviet Union and we know now from hindsight how bad option being part of Soviet Union was for a country that doesn't have indigenous russian people in it (Georgia, Kazhakstan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine...). Actually being part of russia is not good even for a russian people as we see meat wave attacks in Ukraine. People's lives don't have any value.
To be honest, the pronounciation was completely fine. At least many times better than how most of the foreign people try to pronounce Finnish names. Kokeilepa mennä esim. Portugaliin tai Unkariin lausumaan natiiveille paikallisten nimiä...
@@3drc172 And that's what he has probably used. His pronounciation is far from perfect, but close enough for me. But, this a matter of opinions, so it's pointless to continue.
Yeah, I used google translate and Finnish friends to find the pronunciation, but for me it's a very hard word to pronounce (as I mentioned in the video)
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What it resembles most is the Italian Fiat G.55, for me. Both inherited the 109G's engine and cowling, but behind that is a completely new aircraft.
I agree, and the wing seems seems very similar to that of the fiat g55
Few corrections / additions.
The research and development of natively produced aircraft had begun way before the late 1930s as seen with the IVL K.1 Kurki (1927, trainer/transport), IVL C.24 (1924, fighter), IVL C.25 (1925, fighter) and IVL D.26 Haukka (1927, fighter)
These prototypes would eventually be followed up by a mass-produced military aircraft in the form of the VL Sääski (1928, general aviation/trainer/naval patrol) and the limited production VL Kotka (1930, naval patrol/light bomber)
So yeah the development of not just prototype, but even serial production military aircraft had commenced prior to late 1930s.
Additional note: the word Pyörremyrsky can be translated into various English words in addition to hurricane, such as typhoon and whirlwind (which both lack their own separate words in the Finnish language).
Otherwise, good work and research! Would be cool to see a video about the VL Puuska, a competitor for the VL Pyörremyrsky which never left the drawing board.
Very nice! And good to have shots of the VL Myrsky in the same video for comparison. Both very pretty aircraft.
It stands in the museum next to a G2. Looks very slick.
MT-507 in the Finnish airforce museum is actually a G6. No Finnish G2 exists in a restored condition.
Mostly a good video but I have one main issue with it.
To say that the Finns didn't produce native aircraft until the late 30s and to *imply* that the first native aircraft was the Myrsky is incorrect. The Finns designed and produced several aircraft types for the airforce before this such as the Sääski (first flight 1928), the VL Tuisku (first flight 1934) and the VL Viima (first flight 1936). This was along with one-off prototypes like the VL Haukka fighter (first flight 1927).
Man that’s frustrating, I was trying to search for native Finnish designs but I couldn’t find anything on the internet, I couldn’t understand why nothing was coming up
@@aviationdeepdiveWhy does it have to be native? The Finns built Blenheims, which is an incredible feat.
@@aviationdeepdive I suppose that the interest drawn by the Myrsky and the Pyörremyrsky may have buried earlier Finnish designs on the English speaking internet.
and VL Kotka maritime recon bomber (1930). The only Finnish designed combat aircraft to see notable front line service during WWII
This is a beautiful aircraft ^w^
thank you for making a video about it ^w^
Glad you liked it!
Beautiful aircraft, another very informative video.
Thank you for the excellent presentation.
As a point of interest, the Hansa-Brandeburg W.33 shown in the top left corner at 1:25 belongs to the Latvian Air Force, which i) also operated the W.33 and ii) also sported a swastika (a red diagonal one) as their Air Force insignia in the inter-war years.
They should have shocked the world by adding a turret ...The Finnish 109G Defiant ! That would have had everyone face-palming ! LOL
I love Finnish fighter aircraft
The Finnish AF's first plane was a Thulin D, built in my home town, and gifted to the Finns by count Erik von Rosen. And his personal house mark was a swastika for light and happiness (This was before the nazis) he marked the plane with a blue swastika in a white roundel. A marking the Finnish AF used until after WW2.
Your Finnish words pronounced very well.
Small tidbit of Finnish air force history. When group of Finns went to pickup British Hurricanes and Blenheims. There was Blackburn Roc naval turreted fighter with Finnish markings. Finns left that behind. There's no photos of it in Finland and never mentioned in any Finnish air force books.
Roc's blue swastikas were covered with white hemp fabric when it was flown over British skies. As it was feared getting shot down by itchy fingered AA.
Thanks
I think it looks like someone tried to make a Bf-109 from memory after seeing one years ago.
This is what i would like to call the "Orthodox Fighter", due to it's inline engine and emphasis on a mixture of performance, armament and survivability.
Such examples including the Macchi MC.202/MC.205 Folgore and Veltro, Reggiane Re.2001/2005 Falco II and Saggitario, Fiat G.55/56 Centauro, and Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien.
Great little video on this beautiful but rare aircraft.
The its name - Pyörrenmyrsky - more correctly translates as Whirlwind however.
Thanks for the info!
Pyörremyrsky literally is “vortex storm” and can mean hurricane, typhoon etc.
If you want to be specific, there’s “hurrikaani” and taifuuni”
6:40
This is incorrect. The PM-1 stands for Pyörremyrsky-1. The "PuuMersu" was only a colloqial nickname, but not the official name.
Pyörremyrsky is a combound word from the words Pyörre (Twirling) and Myrsky (Storm).
Finns are so very sensible and resourceful, so are Swedes, but Finns really inspire me. 😂
It would have been interesting to see this design re-engined with British engines like the Merlin or Griffon.
The same problem as the swiss had, they always came late with the indigenous planes. (Mainly the improved Morane ms406 eg D3802 )
Pyorremyrsky means whirlwind, not hurricane.
There must be some kind of pyörremyrsky in the head of a native English speaker as he/she tries to pronounce Valtion Lentokonetehdas (VL) Pyörremyrsky. 😂
Pretty isn't she. I'd like to see her fly. Imagine if she'd been available in numbers when intended?. I've often redesigned the hurricane and defiant in my mind and on paper. Westland whirlwind also. I love "what ifs?"👍😁✌️☮️
Its funny hearing every one try to pronounce this name in War Thunder
Code PM comes from PyörreMyrsky, not Puu-Mersu as mentioined in video.
You are doing fine when speaking Finnish, just remember to pronounce strong "R". As far as i understand DB605's power was limited in Finnish use to around 1300hp because engines we received had only cast iron cylinder liners without chrome plating. They wore out very fast if you used all 1450hp. Pyörremysky looks like a great desing to me, Myrsky was a disaster structurally. Wooden structure could not cope with the rain and damp, we did not have good enough glues at the time.
I think best Finnish design, conversion was so called Mörkö-Morane. Decade ago i built Mörkö as a giant scale RC model, and it flew really well and it was fast. We should have abandoned the Myrsky project and concentraded building Mörkö's and Pyörremyrsky's. th-cam.com/video/X1EpO0S1dvk/w-d-xo.html
The lack of DB 605 engines would have doomed the project
At end of 1945 speed of 620 km/h was not at all impreessive.
Especialy not for a prototype.
In west, this speed was matched in 1941.
The design was too little too late, as the video also stated.
Basically, the Fiat G.55 in finnish sausage.
Looks like a wooden G55
Is this "Tuisku"? We fins do not know "pyöremyrsky" thing. Tuisku is icy snowing with high winds and it eats your face. You cover you face more than very soon. like Thousands icy needles.
..Congratulations for your ability to properly pronounce Finnish names...
It looks like it was never fully completed. Did it ever get
"Finnished" ha ha ha
Finland....fighting with the Nazi 😢
Finland was surrounded and the only one inside with Finland was nazi-Germany. Finland would have had to surrender to soviets in order to avoid famine. Only place we got grain was Germany. So the choices were to die because lack of food or become part of Soviet Union and we know now from hindsight how bad option being part of Soviet Union was for a country that doesn't have indigenous russian people in it (Georgia, Kazhakstan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine...). Actually being part of russia is not good even for a russian people as we see meat wave attacks in Ukraine. People's lives don't have any value.
They just don't want to be invaded
sorry to be that one guy but that pronouciation was differeant to say the least im from finland btw
To be honest, the pronounciation was completely fine. At least many times better than how most of the foreign people try to pronounce Finnish names. Kokeilepa mennä esim. Portugaliin tai Unkariin lausumaan natiiveille paikallisten nimiä...
@@porsimo i dont want to be a hater but google transate is a thing
@@3drc172 And that's what he has probably used. His pronounciation is far from perfect, but close enough for me. But, this a matter of opinions, so it's pointless to continue.
Yeah, I used google translate and Finnish friends to find the pronunciation, but for me it's a very hard word to pronounce (as I mentioned in the video)
@@aviationdeepdive im from finland i can show you how its prronouced
It has much more of the Look of the Macchi or Fiat Fighters of a year before [1943] , in overall profile.