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Unassuming Failure Turned British Hero - Avro Manchester
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The Avro Manchester was a failure, without question. However, a masterful aircraft lay within her sleek lines, waiting to rear its head and become a British legend. This is the story of how an unassuming, unreliable bomber pulled quickly from service, became one of the most iconic aircraft of all time.
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www.baesystems.com/en-uk/heritage/avro-679-manchester
www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/british-aircraft/avro-manchester.php
the-past.com/shorts/ideas/back-to-the-drawing-board-the-avro-manchester/
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www.key.aero/article/what-made-avros-roy-chadwick-such-design-genius
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asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/21374
roychadwick.com/1942broadcast.html
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f%20the%20world.
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drawing.12171/
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www.key.aero/article/bomber-command-raid-renault-plant
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memorial-belgium/
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www.ww2today.com/p/manchester-bomber-fails-to-return
www.49squadron.co.uk/assets/pdf/new/sieve_report.pdf
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  • @TheDavidlloydjones
    @TheDavidlloydjones 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    After Henry Ford invented the wheel, who was the genius who thought we could actually put them on airplanes? Or had Ford had that idea but they had to wait for Chevrolet or somebody to invent the airport?

  • @Boyer68
    @Boyer68 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Not true about the "downward kink..." that was primarily for aerodynamic efficiency. The Hellcat swung the same diameter prop, 13' 1". It did however allow for a shorter MLG strut, allowing rearward retraction.

    • @johnklatt3522
      @johnklatt3522 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Well, you are partially correct. The Vought engineers actually chose the straight mid-wing design for the aerodynamic efficiency, as Rex Beisel's main requirement was speed. The inverted gull wing design was later suggested by Rex Beisel as a solution to keep his speed requirement and rectify two complications that arose with the engineers first chose of the straight wing design. Also, the XF4U-1 Corsair prototype had a 13' 4" propeller diameter. The F4U Corsair didn't have a 13' 1" propeller diameter (the same propeller diameter as the Grumman F6F Hellcats) until 1944, with the F4U-1C / F4U-1D/ F4U-1P variants only.

    • @Boyer68
      @Boyer68 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnklatt3522 The extra 3" on the early prop is immaterial, where ground clearance is concerned. The XF6F-6 had a 13' 4" prop too. The inverted gull wing was used to set the wing away from the fwd fuselage to reduce drag...aerodynamic efficiency. The romance with the"HUGE" prop falls in with the myth that the M1 rifle's clip being ejected told the enemy a rifleman was empty.

    • @johnklatt3522
      @johnklatt3522 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Boyer68 Yes, you are correct, Partially again. As I stated, the inverted gull wing was a solution to satisfy 1 requirement and to Correct two concerns, which you also mentioned. The aerodynamic efficiency requirement of Rex Beisel was satisfied by the mid wing design. The later inverted gull wing suggestion by Rex Beisel was to keep the aerodynamic efficiency of the mid wing, per his requirement and to correct the two complications that arose. The inverted gull wing was not the first wing choice of the engineers to meet the aerodynamic efficiency, that's all I'm stating. The Grumman XF6F-6 had a 4 blade propeller with 13' 2" diameter, the same propeller design and diameter as all the 4 bladed F4U Corsair variants, with the exception of the Goodyear F2G-1 (14') and F2G-2 (13') Super Corsairs.

    • @johnklatt3522
      @johnklatt3522 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Boyer68 I copied and pasted an excerpt of my source article below. If it's too long or if you aren't interested, I'm sorry. You may ignore it. "Chief Engineer Rex B. Beisel made it clear to his 90- man engineering staff on many occasions that "speed is king" and there would be no compromises on that point. We already had the biggest engine available, so it was obvious that the only way to increase performance was to decrease drag. The National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA-later NASA) had sent us a number of technical reports relating to the optimum position of the wing relative to the fuselage, i.e., mid-wing versus low wing. The reports showed that the mid-wing configuration, with the wing meeting the fuselage at an angle of 90°, was superior in achieving low drag. The low-wing position resulted in flow separation at the fuselage junction, especially at the wing's trailing edge where a cusp formed with the convex underside of the fuselage. While this could be ameliorated somewhat by using a fillet or fairing along the trailing edge of the wing-fuselage intersection, it was evident that the wing must join the fuselage at right angles similar to a mid-wing configuration if the fighter were to have any chance of achieving the desired speeds. Still another important design constraint was the length of the landing gear that would retract into the wing. The structures and weights people pointed out that the large-diameter propeller and the mid-wing configuration would dictate a long and heavy landing gear and a complex and costly folding mechanism. The Corsair's distinctive gull-wing design actually emerged from a small engineering meeting in Rex's office, which had assembled to resolve the conflicting design requirements. The writer recalls that among those present were: Beisel; James M. Shoemaker, Assistant Chief Engineer; Paul S. Baker, Chief of Aerodynamics and Flight Test; William C. Schoolfield, Head of Aerodynamics; Earnest Mailloux, Chief of Structures; George F. Darracott, Head of Weights; Fred N. Dickerman, Design; and yours truly, Aerodynamics. The group reviewed a number of aircraft configurations that had been generated in preliminary design studies. Assessing the options while sketching on a desk pad, Rex conjectured that if the wing in front view had to be normal to the fuselage at its intersection for low drag, and the landing gear had to be short, why not just leave the wing low, put a little bend in it at the landing gear station, and let it rise to meet the fuselage at right angles? Then, going outboard, the curved section could rise, meeting the outer panel at the wing-fold station. He also pointed out that such an arrangement would permit an even shorter landing gear than a low-wing. The aerodynamicists confirmed that this configuration would provide essentially the same low drag as a mid-wing. It became clear that the inverted gull wing was the best approach, and Beisel directed that it be incorporated as the basic element of the XF4U-1. The bent-wing bird had been born-and the rest is history." Source: U.S. NAVAL INSTITUTE article. "Designing the Bent-Wing Bird." By Alfred I Sibila February 1995 Volume 9, Number 1.

    • @Boyer68
      @Boyer68 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnklatt3522 Okay...you're partially correct too.

  • @johntechwriter
    @johntechwriter 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    To have got as far as it did with this beauty, the French builder unwittingly created a de facto R&D platform for the rest of the industry to learn from. No doubt its rivals looked upon the protracted demise of their competitor’s prototypes with a grim sense of schadenfreude. Of course all of these flying boats were doomed within a few years of the events described here by the arrival of land-based airliners that were so much more powerful, efficient, and convenient for passengers to board. In the winner-takes-all battlefield of emerging technology, outside observers like those of us who lack the killer instinct are saddened by the unfairness of market forces that devastate the risk-takers and reward the opportunists who steal their ingenuity and then build what they know will work, and go on to enjoy the profits. Aviation in particular is an industry subject to merciless Darwinian extinction of those coming in second, where but for an insight here and an economy there, it is only after the fact the winners are differentiated from the losers.

  • @kevinhorne9643
    @kevinhorne9643 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you! Really enjoyed this episode. Sorry about the copyright issue, Bon Chance!

  • @John-k6f9k
    @John-k6f9k วันที่ผ่านมา

    So which side did they sell most of them too?

  • @faerieSAALE
    @faerieSAALE วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello - Welcome to the world's largest, most beautiful, most luxurious, transcontinental airliner, death trap.

  • @johnbrinsden8751
    @johnbrinsden8751 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks!

  • @janderson4423
    @janderson4423 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the NEED for youtube to stop or at least allow us to block the scam ads has gone from money making for them to taking part in ripping everyone off

  • @badabumbadabing
    @badabumbadabing 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ball-bearing runs were also done by "civilan" BOAC mosquitos.

  • @leeedsonetwo
    @leeedsonetwo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Was the spruce goose much bigger?

  • @Taketimeout3
    @Taketimeout3 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The L 23 looks almost exactly like the Japanese fighter using the Daimler Benz engine. It makes me wonder if Swedish aviation was watching what Japan was coming up with BEFORE Japan entered the war. This is only conjecture. Those headphones look quality. Do a deep dive on the Cessna 335. Push pull craft used a lot in Nam. Please.

  • @Gunnar-h3y
    @Gunnar-h3y 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was hoping they parked those beauties in the deserts of Australia but nope. What a terrible waste. Great video!

  • @TheDavidlloydjones
    @TheDavidlloydjones 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Each" of anything is singular. "Each of my videos" is still singular, even though it ends in an S. Each of your videos _does_ take whatever it takes, OK? They all do whatever each and every one does, see? (Your general proposition is, if a person can't identify their subject, they don't know what they're talking about.)

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "Either," ditto. Until either _was_ ready. One of them was ready one of them wasn't. Get it?

  • @RandallMartin-zx6yd
    @RandallMartin-zx6yd 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YOU CAN'T KILL SOMETHING THAT. WAS. NEVER THERE. B29 S. WE'RE. NEVER. USED. OVER. EUROPE. ONLY. IN. THE. PACIFIC. AGAINST. JAPAN.

  • @Spugedelia77
    @Spugedelia77 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There aren't any babushkas (grandmothers) alive anymore in Ruzzia who would tell the relatives that attacking Finland is a very bad choice indeed. I'm thankful beyond words what my grandfathers did to defend our country. Kiitos (thank you) Niilo & Ake <3

  • @vernunftiger
    @vernunftiger 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! I'm a life-long aviation buff but I had never heard or this airplane. Such a beautiful plane!

  • @Taketimeout3
    @Taketimeout3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Inter- war charm. I like it. Your bothering to learn the correct german pronounciation too. Im a year late telling you but no ones perfect. But you come pretty close. Impressive.

  • @csjrogerson2377
    @csjrogerson2377 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why not? The Brits used the Wildcat, renamed as the Martlet, although they were not overly impressed. As the Brits didn't have a good marinised version of any of their fighters and the Americans were the foremost manufacturers of carrier based planes, it made sense to use Corsairs and I think they played with Hellcats too.

  • @Franklin-pc3xd
    @Franklin-pc3xd 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would it be possible for us (actually just me) to have you pay me to assist with demonetization mitigation?

  • @kimscott8176
    @kimscott8176 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a behemoth.

  • @billschmidt4192
    @billschmidt4192 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rudel- Great Pilot on the Russian Front!

  • @Dbodell8000
    @Dbodell8000 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’d say the even larger Martin Mars is little known also.

  • @arigronqvist651
    @arigronqvist651 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There was not cannons,only 7,7..

  • @TheJorif
    @TheJorif 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Emblem of the Finnish Air Force: Quality replaces quantity. Today, we have our wonderful friends from the Viking countries supporting us as well.

  • @miianssi
    @miianssi 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kuopio is not in Western Finland. It is in the Eastern Finland.

  • @aj7419
    @aj7419 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    why are you using ai voice models of the voices of people from other channels is the writing also some algorithm? seems like

  • @TheGnewb
    @TheGnewb 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was beautifully informative and I sat through the self published ad but appreciate the timestamp datum.

  • @RedneckSpaceman
    @RedneckSpaceman 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those "Flying Boats" were a little ungainly looking but they were/are amazing machines!!!! The Military "PBY" was a real beast! And she could take a beating and still make it home!!

  • @Justwantahover
    @Justwantahover 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Airbus A380 isn't much bigger, but add a zero to the amount of passengers. 😂

  • @DanWest-i7y
    @DanWest-i7y 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More French crap ,thank god those days they could cook.

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @16:03 Lockheed C-130 Hercules amphibian in the background 😆

  • @WW-sx5eq
    @WW-sx5eq 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Das ist russische Technik und Mentale überschätzung des Piloten-Asses..!

  • @johncurcio3621
    @johncurcio3621 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well done and interesting.

  • @j-man6001
    @j-man6001 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow never even heard of this beautiful goose before! Such potential wastes when we all know Potez would've been the best fit for the period, which is strangely needing to go back to flying boats, since nothing in the skies today can survive on the waves, in case of emergency

  • @marckyle5895
    @marckyle5895 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The RN could have used those Corsairs in Korea on HMS Triumph and Unicorn as part of the UN forces there. A shame all the way around, but that's how Lend-Lease was negotiated thru a parsimonious Congress to get into the war. A tangent: There has been discussion about recovering some of the TBD Devastators that went down with the USS Lexington in the Coral Sea and building a complete one or more from the pieces. This doesn't bode well for them.

  • @bentspoon1805
    @bentspoon1805 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Heroes fight like Greeks. Lest we forget.

  • @mirrorblue100
    @mirrorblue100 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    OMG - no de-icing??

  • @chazzcannon3614
    @chazzcannon3614 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not Amphirite, but Amphitrite.

  • @wintersbattleofbands1144
    @wintersbattleofbands1144 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cool video weakened by weak scripting/grammar.

  • @halgilley5717
    @halgilley5717 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video and accurate for the most part. A few errors you may want to correct. Supercharging: all Allison's were equipped with an internal single stage supercharger just like the Luftwaffe planes. P-39 was single speed, the 190 was two speed and the 109 was variable speed. P-39 single speed was high gear and overboosting was prevented at low altitude with reduced throttle initially and by mid 1942 was automatically controlled by an automatic manifold pressure regulator. Altitude: The P-39N/Q had uprated engines. A standard P-39N had a service ceiling of 38,500' (FW190 34,000') and climbed at 2650 feet per minute at 20,000' (FW190 1900fpm), so if the P-39 was a low altitude plane then the FW190 was more so. No plane could withstand the disadvantage of altitude performance on the Eastern front and still have the victory record of the P-39. It shot down more enemy planes than any other American fighter, It was fully the equal of the Luftwaffe planes at all altitudes. Turbocharger: The turbo was deleted from the P-39 (and P-40) to get them into service ASAP. The turbocharged P-38 didn't enter combat until December 1942 and the P-47 didn't see combat until May 1943. The P-39 (and P-40) were available for combat in 1941. The Allies would have been hard pressed in 1942 without the P-39.

  • @old_guard2431
    @old_guard2431 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice instruments and layout at 8:50. Particularly compared to many of the Soviet fighters.

  • @kymensotaveteraanit
    @kymensotaveteraanit 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    On our channel you can listen Finnish fighter ace Antti Tani`s interview. For now, it`s in finnish, but will add subtitles soon.

  • @old_guard2431
    @old_guard2431 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    High five for the Brit that can pronounce Italian.

  • @old_guard2431
    @old_guard2431 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, weather. Early in my Coast Guard career I was on a High Endurance Cutter (think lightly-armed frigate) doing Ocean Stations, also called Weather Patrols. We had three a bit over 1/3 of the way across the North Atlantic and the Europeans ran three on their side. We ran a navigation beacon, chased weather balloons twice a day to keep them on radar as long as possible, did oceanographic work. And were there. One mid-Atlantic passenger seaplane ditched successfully near a Coast Guard Cutter. (Bermuda Sky Queen, 1947, Ocean Station Charlie) The program was surplus to requirements by the time I was involved (1970-72) - the civilian airliners had better navigation equipment than we did, and the aircraft doing transatlantic flights were much more reliable than in the early days. It was discontinued in 1974, and a lot of our ragtag fleet of Navy-surplus WW2 seaplane/PT boat tenders, destroyer escorts and the like got a much-deserved retirement. (My ship was built in the 1960s and still soldiers on in the Philippine Coast Guard.)

  • @valvio1331
    @valvio1331 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For half of the video, you rant about Me155! Frigin' cronophage!

  • @Taketimeout3
    @Taketimeout3 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now thats a big Cant.

  • @Taketimeout3
    @Taketimeout3 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The dates of various events werent dope. The animations were. I guess the band didnt show up. Maybe you gave them the wrong date too.

  • @TheRumbles13
    @TheRumbles13 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Liked and subbed. Thank you for all your hard work.

  • @danzervos7606
    @danzervos7606 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Spitfire sent to America in 1939 was was to interest American manufacturers in building Spitfires. I remember reading that Evaluation of the Spitfire claimed two deficiencies. Short range and lack of structural strength (it was believed the plane could not survive flying through a thunderstorm). So American manufacturers stuck with American specifications and designs.

  • @angelikaopland7880
    @angelikaopland7880 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The small one was more to test hydrodynamics & water handling than flight characteristics. Lots of B-26 Marauder factory footage. I suspect their trouble with securing contracts had to do with their performance on the P3M contract. "15 tons of steel"? These planes were built of aluminum. Production of PBM-5's began before the end of the war & some were deployed to the Western Pacific before Japan surrendered. The comment about "accidents in the post-war years" is illustrated with a PBM-3 wearing early 1942 insignia. Classic aircraft; typically spotty TH-cam documentary...but thanks for the color footage!!!